Lu Powell wrote:


I'll restate the question, knowing in advance you cannot give a straight
answer: "When was the last time you reported or even criticized union
misconduct?"

2004.

--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

"H the K" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
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Lu Powell wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
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Lu Powell wrote:
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Lu Powell wrote:
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Lu Powell wrote:

Don't bet on it. Before I was a police chief


Is your real name Theophilus Eugene Connor? It's hard to envision
a non-thinking racist like you as a cop, let alone a "police
chief."
Well, maybe not. Was it in the south?
You are a first class clownish fool. Trying to reason with you is
an exercise in futility. Don't you see how most of the folks in
this forum view you? Do you really think "WAFA" is a term of
endearment?

My police career was one of honor and pride. The same is true of my
military active duty and reserve stints spanning more than thirty
years. For you to try to belittle that with your idiotic barbs
while lacking any information is insanity in its purest form.

BTW, "Bull" Connor made no bones about being a bigot. You, on the
other hand are blind to your own bigotry, which is patently obvious
to everybody who reads your posts. WAFA.

Indeed, Lucius, I make no bones about my dislike for the "modern
day" Republican conservatives, who have spent the last decade doing
their best to ruin this country. In fact, they've pretty much
succeeded. But I don't dislike them because of their race, gender
preference, age, or religion.

Oh, and I'm also not a big fan of the police as an institution,
though I do believe there are many honorable, brave, hard-working
policemen. Police corruption is pretty much institutionalized in too
many departments, large and small, and far too often police and
prosecutors work too hard to convict the poor, black, and innocent.
I'm sure you recall a case like that.



--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were
laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of
them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or
minister. If that is your position in life, then anything goes.
Whatever, WAFA. Where did you copy and paste that monogram?


Surely you recall at least one case in all your years as a police
chief in which bad police work resulted in the arrest, trial and
incarceration
of an innocent man.





--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were
laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of
them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or
minister. If that is your position in life, then anything goes.
Never said I didn't. In cases where I was able to do so, I saw that
they were released in a timely fashion. In one case I terminated an
officer for mishandling evidence, then lying about it in court, and saw
that the offender was released by the district attorney. When was the
last time you reported or even criticized union misconduct?


My local union is squeaky clean. The quarterly financials for the union,
the health plan, and the retirement plan, are posted on the local's web
site. If there was missing money, the bonding company would step in and
the responsible officers would be prosecuted. The local meetings are
open to every member, and there are no "executive" sessions.

What was your role in getting that fellow exonerated...the one who spent
all those years in the slam...you know who I mean.





How do you know money is missing? Investments in companies that are
controlled by a brother in law, etc. Seems to be the MO for unions. Or
stock manipulation.


Outside auditors.


So did Bernie Made Off.

H the K wrote:
Lu Powell wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
...
Lu Powell wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:


Don't bet on it. Before I was a police chief



Is your real name Theophilus Eugene Connor? It's hard to
envision a non-thinking racist like you as a cop, let alone a
"police chief."
Well, maybe not. Was it in the south?

You are a first class clownish fool. Trying to reason with you
is an exercise in futility. Don't you see how most of the folks
in this forum view you? Do you really think "WAFA" is a term of
endearment?

My police career was one of honor and pride. The same is true of
my military active duty and reserve stints spanning more than
thirty years. For you to try to belittle that with your idiotic
barbs while lacking any information is insanity in its purest form.

BTW, "Bull" Connor made no bones about being a bigot. You, on
the other hand are blind to your own bigotry, which is patently
obvious to everybody who reads your posts. WAFA.


Indeed, Lucius, I make no bones about my dislike for the "modern
day" Republican conservatives, who have spent the last decade
doing their best to ruin this country. In fact, they've pretty
much succeeded. But I don't dislike them because of their race,
gender preference, age, or religion.

Oh, and I'm also not a big fan of the police as an institution,
though I do believe there are many honorable, brave, hard-working
policemen. Police corruption is pretty much institutionalized in
too many departments, large and small, and far too often police
and prosecutors work too hard to convict the poor, black, and
innocent. I'm sure you recall a case like that.



--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they
were laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating
any of them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office
holder or minister. If that is your position in life, then
anything goes.

Whatever, WAFA. Where did you copy and paste that monogram?



Surely you recall at least one case in all your years as a police
chief in which bad police work resulted in the arrest, trial and
incarceration
of an innocent man.





--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were
laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of
them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or
minister. If that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Never said I didn't. In cases where I was able to do so, I saw that
they were released in a timely fashion. In one case I terminated an
officer for mishandling evidence, then lying about it in court, and
saw that the offender was released by the district attorney. When
was the last time you reported or even criticized union misconduct?



My local union is squeaky clean. The quarterly financials for the
union, the health plan, and the retirement plan, are posted on the
local's web site. If there was missing money, the bonding company
would step in and the responsible officers would be prosecuted. The
local meetings are open to every member, and there are no "executive"
sessions.

What was your role in getting that fellow exonerated...the one who
spent all those years in the slam...you know who I mean.




--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were
laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of
them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or
minister. If that is your position in life, then anything goes.

Your reply is not responsive to my question, as usual. Regarding your
query. the murder happened on my watch. The arrest and conviction,
then later exoneration did not.



It's as responsive as it can be. While I am a member of two unions,
these days I'm only involved in one, and, basically, only socially.





Harry,
You belong to a union so you can get health insurance. No brick layer
would ever want to socialize with a fat ass like you.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

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On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:06:07 -0700, jps wrote:

I think you have finally argued full circle. In order for a knife to
be an effective weapon, the wielder must be expert and, by your own
admission, a gun is just as difficult to handle as a knife.

Therefore, for a gun to be an effective weapon, the wielder must be an
expert.

Now, maybe you are ready to understand the next logical step, "Weapons
don't kill people, people kill people." Once there, perhaps you'll be
ready to develop effective strategies to stop violence. Historically,
something no amount of "take the weapons away" legislation has
done....

You don't have to be an expert with a gun to kill someone from 10 or
15 feet. You'd certainly have to be an expert with a knife or any
other sharp instrument from 10 or 15 feet.

I'm sure that doesn't make any sense to an NRA supporter.


The issue is not 10 or 15 feet away, it is how fast you can close that
distance and once you are face to face, anyone swinging and stabbing
with a knife is deadly. It takes an expert to keep from being killed.
Any reasonably healthy person is quicker in 10 feet (the original
challenge) than the fastest drag racer. That is an old beer bet you
can't lose.
I suppose the real challenge for the gunslinger is can you actually
have the presence of mind to place a "kill shot", in a fraction of a
second, on an attacker who is lunging at you with a knife, that drops
them before they stab you. Without extensive training, I bet most
people freeze.
Shooting them in the belly or the leg won't do it. You will both die
in the same big pool of blood.

gt, please be advised that the person you are responding to is a contentious
prolific troll, not only here, but on many newsgroups. He isn't worth the
time or effort to **** on.

HTH

Steve, who has had this dumb troll killfiled for a long long long time.

Two things: If we're in a business that's being robbed, no, you cannot
borrow my gun.

You better believe that I have fired a gun enough times to believe that I
wouldn't want to see me on the other end of a firefight.

Now, you liberals can take it somewhere else. Carry a gun or carry KY jelly
and cookies for cases of emergency. The KY is for when the cookies run out.

Steve

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:13:48 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:


wrote in message
news
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 01:06:07 -0700, jps wrote:

I think you have finally argued full circle. In order for a knife to
be an effective weapon, the wielder must be expert and, by your own
admission, a gun is just as difficult to handle as a knife.

Therefore, for a gun to be an effective weapon, the wielder must be an
expert.

Now, maybe you are ready to understand the next logical step, "Weapons
don't kill people, people kill people." Once there, perhaps you'll be
ready to develop effective strategies to stop violence. Historically,
something no amount of "take the weapons away" legislation has
done....

You don't have to be an expert with a gun to kill someone from 10 or
15 feet. You'd certainly have to be an expert with a knife or any
other sharp instrument from 10 or 15 feet.

I'm sure that doesn't make any sense to an NRA supporter.


The issue is not 10 or 15 feet away, it is how fast you can close that
distance and once you are face to face, anyone swinging and stabbing
with a knife is deadly. It takes an expert to keep from being killed.
Any reasonably healthy person is quicker in 10 feet (the original
challenge) than the fastest drag racer. That is an old beer bet you
can't lose.
I suppose the real challenge for the gunslinger is can you actually
have the presence of mind to place a "kill shot", in a fraction of a
second, on an attacker who is lunging at you with a knife, that drops
them before they stab you. Without extensive training, I bet most
people freeze.
Shooting them in the belly or the leg won't do it. You will both die
in the same big pool of blood.

gt, please be advised that the person you are responding to is a contentious
prolific troll, not only here, but on many newsgroups. He isn't worth the
time or effort to **** on.

HTH

Steve, who has had this dumb troll killfiled for a long long long time.

Golly, good thing Steve is here to warn you. Might not have known
otherwise.

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:16:38 -0600, "SteveB"
wrote:

Two things: If we're in a business that's being robbed, no, you cannot
borrow my gun.

You better believe that I have fired a gun enough times to believe that I
wouldn't want to see me on the other end of a firefight.

Now, you liberals can take it somewhere else. Carry a gun or carry KY jelly
and cookies for cases of emergency. The KY is for when the cookies run out.

Steve

Paranoid idiot who lives in the middle of nowhere, Utah.

Just Regigie wrote:
J i m wrote:
Just Regigie wrote:


You are underestimating the stupidity of Harry Krause, Lou. Anyone
with a lick of sense would first attempt to extract himself from the
situation. I don't know where Krause is getting his cowboy training,
but he should seek out more responsible trainers, for his own good.

Harry is familiar with using deadly force, he once held a criminal at
bay with his pick'em up truck.

The man is fearless.

The man is, well never mind. That's another story.

Did you hear the reason why Harry changed his mind on handgun ownership?


He found it too hard to carry a pickup truck in his pants.


He had a special holster crafted for his F150 bumper. It must be a sight
to behold, watching him quickdraw that sucker.

H the K wrote:
Lu Powell wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:


Don't bet on it. Before I was a police chief



Is your real name Theophilus Eugene Connor? It's hard to envision a
non-thinking racist like you as a cop, let alone a "police chief."
Well, maybe not. Was it in the south?

You are a first class clownish fool. Trying to reason with you is an
exercise in futility. Don't you see how most of the folks in this
forum view you? Do you really think "WAFA" is a term of endearment?

My police career was one of honor and pride. The same is true of my
military active duty and reserve stints spanning more than thirty
years. For you to try to belittle that with your idiotic barbs while
lacking any information is insanity in its purest form.

BTW, "Bull" Connor made no bones about being a bigot. You, on the
other hand are blind to your own bigotry, which is patently obvious to
everybody who reads your posts. WAFA.


Indeed, Lucius, I make no bones about my dislike for the "modern day"
Republican conservatives, who have spent the last decade doing their
best to ruin this country. In fact, they've pretty much succeeded. But I
don't dislike them because of their race, gender preference, age, or
religion.

Oh, and I'm also not a big fan of the police as an institution, though I
do believe there are many honorable, brave, hard-working policemen.
Police corruption is pretty much institutionalized in too many
departments, large and small, and far too often police and prosecutors
work too hard to convict the poor, black, and innocent. I'm sure you
recall a case like that.



Did anyone ever tell you that you should be institutionalized?

H the K wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
...
Lu Powell wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:
"H the K" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:

Don't bet on it. Before I was a police chief


Is your real name Theophilus Eugene Connor? It's hard to
envision a non-thinking racist like you as a cop, let alone a
"police chief."
Well, maybe not. Was it in the south?
You are a first class clownish fool. Trying to reason with you
is an exercise in futility. Don't you see how most of the folks
in this forum view you? Do you really think "WAFA" is a term of
endearment?

My police career was one of honor and pride. The same is true of
my military active duty and reserve stints spanning more than
thirty years. For you to try to belittle that with your idiotic
barbs while lacking any information is insanity in its purest form.

BTW, "Bull" Connor made no bones about being a bigot. You, on
the other hand are blind to your own bigotry, which is patently
obvious to everybody who reads your posts. WAFA.

Indeed, Lucius, I make no bones about my dislike for the "modern
day" Republican conservatives, who have spent the last decade
doing their best to ruin this country. In fact, they've pretty
much succeeded. But I don't dislike them because of their race,
gender preference, age, or religion.

Oh, and I'm also not a big fan of the police as an institution,
though I do believe there are many honorable, brave, hard-working
policemen. Police corruption is pretty much institutionalized in
too many departments, large and small, and far too often police
and prosecutors work too hard to convict the poor, black, and
innocent. I'm sure you recall a case like that.



--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they
were laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating
any of them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office
holder or minister. If that is your position in life, then
anything goes.
Whatever, WAFA. Where did you copy and paste that monogram?


Surely you recall at least one case in all your years as a police
chief in which bad police work resulted in the arrest, trial and
incarceration
of an innocent man.





--
Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were
laws, and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of
them, *unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or
minister. If that is your position in life, then anything goes.
Never said I didn't. In cases where I was able to do so, I saw that
they were released in a timely fashion. In one case I terminated an
officer for mishandling evidence, then lying about it in court, and
saw that the offender was released by the district attorney. When
was the last time you reported or even criticized union misconduct?


My local union is squeaky clean. The quarterly financials for the
union, the health plan, and the retirement plan, are posted on the
local's web site. If there was missing money, the bonding company
would step in and the responsible officers would be prosecuted. The
local meetings are open to every member, and there are no "executive"
sessions.

What was your role in getting that fellow exonerated...the one who
spent all those years in the slam...you know who I mean.





How do you know money is missing? Investments in companies that are
controlled by a brother in law, etc. Seems to be the MO for unions.
Or stock manipulation.



Outside auditors.


Outside auditors paid for by whom, WAFA? Don't be so naive.