Eisboch wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 15:49:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:03:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


I'll stick my nose in. I think by "investing" Frogwatch was
referring
to
the entrepreneurial spirit of creating, building and hopefully
succeeding
as
a business.



What about bringing in some Mexicans to do that?
Might work.
They do pretty well with food service, construction, lawn care, etc.
Hustlers.
They can bring in some Indians, Chinamen and Ruskies for the
engineering parts.
Good engineers, don't want much pay, and don't whine all the time.
Hell, I ran a crew at the last big business I worked for.
The policy was to toss Iraq vet resumes in the garbage, and hire
foreigners. Fortune 100, doing domestic business only.
If Froggy gets hungry enough they might hire him on too.
You surely don't think America has a lock on entrepreneurs?

--Vic


I don't think I said or implied that.
Have another beer.

Nah, pretty much no more than one a day anymore.
Whether you directly implied it or not, it has been implied
here that there is a "special class" of Americans that everybody
depends on, and deserve special favors.
Sorry, America is a team.
Much of big business doesn't see it that way.
If the team falls apart, the coaches are out of a job too.
If you think foreign workers are fine, then so are foreign coaches.
That's just how it works, IMO.
Sorry for my patriotism. I know it offends some.
And I'm not criticizing any of your business practices, but your
defense of big business without much qualification about how
globalistic practice damages America.
Here's a capitalist that seems to have his head screwed on straight.
http://www.reuters.com/article/busin...busine ssNews


We all know that business is the engine of the economy.
But the coach needs the team as much as the reverse.
The question is how business and America will work as a team.
We will remain a free market, but as I suggested in another post,
unless business satisfies the people, it will be molded to their will.
That will all work itself out naturally.
Ain't it great?

--Vic


I may be talking out of my hat because I've never worked for a "big
business".
However, I have quite a bit of experience interfacing with many who do.
Most were technical or engineering based companies, so maybe there is a
fault in my opinion, but with very few exceptions, everyone I've dealt
with from lab techs, engineers, middle management and occasionally to
top management were all very satisfied and felt fully employed for their
different backgrounds, educational levels and experience. There was
pride in the company and there was a team atmosphere. The few
companies that I sensed disgruntled employees where the ones most
closely linked to the government via federal (military) contracts and in
those with strong unions.

The worst (union wise) was McDonnell Douglas, Federal Systems Division
in St. Louis. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how that
division got anything done.

That seems a bit strange, huh? In my world, companies with big federal
contracts and who were unionized had the worst moral and the most
bitching and complaining.

Eisboch



Yeah, it's like when I worked in the Teamsters Union.. Back in the early
80's it made me sick to hear forklift operators and floor sweepers
crying about their lot... Working a clean 40 a week for over $20 bucks
an hour, vacations, full benefits package, retirement gold etc...
Remember these were guys doing a job trained monkeys could do, not the
highly skilled workers WAFA always seems to cater to.

Oh Harry, don't bother responding, I won't see it anyway.. Hopefully
nobody (not filtered) will regurgitate it.. snerk