Proposed New York bill is absolutely criminal
By Gene Mueller
Published February 23, 2005

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New York hunters are in an uproar over state assembly Bill 1850 that would
make sport hunting a punishable act of animal cruelty.
The bill, introduced by Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, New York City
Democrat, would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty to include
the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds." The revision would
make hunting and trapping activities criminal offenses. The bill is now
being considered before the body's Agriculture Committee.
"The bill creates a contradiction in the law [because] the state code
allows regulated hunting," said Tony Celebrezze of the U.S. Sportsmen's
Alliance, a national watchdog group that is ready to enter the fray whenever
Americans' right to hunt is challenged. "If [this] becomes law, anti-hunters
will have a field day ensuring that sportsmen are prosecuted on animal
cruelty charges."
The proposal is similar to a Texas bill that also would turn everyday
hunters into criminals. Hunters in Iowa and Connecticut also have had to
defeat animal cruelty bills that threatened hunting with dogs.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:12:29 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

The proposal is similar to a Texas bill that also would turn everyday
hunters into criminals. Hunters in Iowa and Connecticut also have had to
defeat animal cruelty bills that threatened hunting with dogs.

Believe this or not, this actually has a chance of passing.

Idiots.

Later,

Tom

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message


I say...arm and train the animals. Might give them a 'sporting' chance.

"Don White" wrote in message
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"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message


I say...arm and train the animals. Might give them a 'sporting' chance.



It is in our Constitution....the right to keep and arm bears.;-)

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:45:05 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message


I say...arm and train the animals. Might give them a 'sporting' chance.

The reason I say idiots, is this.

Dogs have been man's hunting companion since the first wolf wandered
into the circle sitting around the campfire and scrounged what ever
was left of the animal du jour.

It's idiocy and political correctness of the highest order.

Later,

Tom

Don White wrote:


I say...arm and train the animals. Might give them a 'sporting' chance.


Yeah. Support your right to arm bears.

No, I find myself sitting solid on the "right" on this matter, unlike
NOYB, I don't consider it a right-left or liberal-conservative issue,
but more an urban versus rural issue, like our(Canadian)stupid gun
registry.

Since the Ontario goverment decided to end the spring bear hunt (done to
garner the urban female vote, and it worked) I LOOK FORWARD to WINTER,
if you can believe it. My backyard is invaded daily during the spring
by HUNGRY BEARS! My garden is gone to ruin and my dog is getting fat
because I am too afraid to go for a walk. And that's just me. There
are dozens of old people (mostly ladies) who used to pick up a few bucks
picking blueberries, not anymore. We, in Northern Ontario, are OVERRUN
with black bears. Although the government will tell you different story
- they are, how shall we say, oh yeah - LYING!!

Many outfitters have gone out of business. No more rich American
hunters shovelling money into small northern towns. And you'd think all
those southern-ontario city folk would just love to come have a look at
the cute little bearcubs. But no. One business that I know, in 5 years
has had NOT EVEN ONE "eco-tourist".

I was thinking of starting a website offering bear viewing tours to
Torontians. All they have to do is sit out on my deck. Those cute
little bearcubs aren't nearly so cute really close up. (I'd lock the
backdoor once I got my tourists out there heeheehee)

In my neighbourhood we have a "gentleman's agreement". Nobody hears
gunshots. Nobody reports gunshots. But once in a while there is one
less bear around. Unlike hunters though, we don't check the sex before
we shoot. I am willing to bet that there are actually MORE orphaned
bearcubs now then there was when there was legal spring bear hunting.
There is in my neighourhood, anyway. Because before the cancellation of
the hunt there were NO bearcubs in my neighbourhood. There was one
male, he lived across the road and owned the whole area. Last summer
there was 7 bears where once there was 1. This spring, God only knows.

I could rant on this topic for pages and pages but I won't bore you
anymore. Just thought I'd put in the perspective of someone who has
suffered though a very, very limited hunting ban. I feel sorry for
anyone living in RURAL New York, if this passes.

Stella

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:12:29 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Proposed New York bill is absolutely criminal
By Gene Mueller
Published February 23, 2005

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New York hunters are in an uproar over state assembly Bill 1850 that would
make sport hunting a punishable act of animal cruelty.
The bill, introduced by Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, New York City
Democrat, would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty to include
the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds." The revision would
make hunting and trapping activities criminal offenses. The bill is now
being considered before the body's Agriculture Committee.
"The bill creates a contradiction in the law [because] the state code
allows regulated hunting," said Tony Celebrezze of the U.S. Sportsmen's
Alliance, a national watchdog group that is ready to enter the fray whenever
Americans' right to hunt is challenged. "If [this] becomes law, anti-hunters
will have a field day ensuring that sportsmen are prosecuted on animal
cruelty charges."
The proposal is similar to a Texas bill that also would turn everyday
hunters into criminals. Hunters in Iowa and Connecticut also have had to
defeat animal cruelty bills that threatened hunting with dogs.

Next thing you know they'll try to ban fishing. Daaaaaamn!

"Black Dog" wrote in message
. ..
snip
Many outfitters have gone out of business. No more rich American
hunters shovelling money into small northern towns. And you'd think all
those southern-ontario city folk would just love to come have a look at
the cute little bearcubs. But no. One business that I know, in 5 years
has had NOT EVEN ONE "eco-tourist".

I was thinking of starting a website offering bear viewing tours to
Torontians. All they have to do is sit out on my deck. Those cute
little bearcubs aren't nearly so cute really close up. (I'd lock the
backdoor once I got my tourists out there heeheehee)

snip

Churchill, Manitoba seems to have found a way to make money off 'bear
watching' tourists. They also have a program to relocate troublesome bears.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
snip
Dogs have been man's hunting companion since the first wolf wandered
into the circle sitting around the campfire and scrounged what ever
was left of the animal du jour.

snip


The English pushed this a little far with their fox hunts.

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:31:26 GMT, Rick wrote:

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:12:29 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Proposed New York bill is absolutely criminal
By Gene Mueller
Published February 23, 2005

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New York hunters are in an uproar over state assembly Bill 1850 that would
make sport hunting a punishable act of animal cruelty.
The bill, introduced by Assemblyman Alexander Grannis, New York City
Democrat, would revise the state's definition of animal cruelty to include
the "killing or injuring [of] wild game and wild birds." The revision would
make hunting and trapping activities criminal offenses. The bill is now
being considered before the body's Agriculture Committee.
"The bill creates a contradiction in the law [because] the state code
allows regulated hunting," said Tony Celebrezze of the U.S. Sportsmen's
Alliance, a national watchdog group that is ready to enter the fray whenever
Americans' right to hunt is challenged. "If [this] becomes law, anti-hunters
will have a field day ensuring that sportsmen are prosecuted on animal
cruelty charges."
The proposal is similar to a Texas bill that also would turn everyday
hunters into criminals. Hunters in Iowa and Connecticut also have had to
defeat animal cruelty bills that threatened hunting with dogs.

Next thing you know they'll try to ban fishing. Daaaaaamn!

What do you mean next thing - they already are after the recreational
fishery.

Later,

Tom