9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

Frogwatch wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.


Have you considered inventing a skyhook?

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

jps wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.


Froggy presents the fervent hope of the GOP.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.

Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.

Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic

Here, the NYTimes itself published the problem way back when.

http://tinyurl.com/ce7hh3

or

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/bu...e-lending.html
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.

Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic
He's not talking about taxing the well to do.
The Cap and Trade Bill is nothing but a massive taxation to establish
something akin to Britain or Socialist European States.
We see Bureaucracies established where socialist special interests
groups get their toe hold. They make laws without review by Congress
such as expanded EPA. They mange the herd to their designs. We saw part
of a grand design, in the collapse, of our Automotive Industry so that
the likes of Fiat would force their view of what a car Americans must
buy.imho but perhaps a bit too conspiratorial.
Everything you said has merit. Globalist Supplier Side or Merchant and
Banker economy and government. They manipulate the market rather than
respond to it. They are about taking the wealth where it was at:
America. It hasn't got a thing with equalizing any global playing field.
It was simply a rape of our economies by a handful of Elitists by
controlling banking and government.
No clearer indictment need be made than their own statement that our
economy is based on credit. That is nothing more than bondage to Global
Banking. Remember when they were calling for increased savings and then
the Supplier Side Economists and Corporatist started manipulating Laws
to encourage borrowing with inadequate production to repay it?

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.

Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic

Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.

I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.

Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic

Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.

I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.

Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.


Scummy business already has ruined this country.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Jul 2, 8:59*pm, nada wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Remember when they were calling for increased savings and then
the Supplier Side Economists and Corporatist started manipulating Laws
to encourage borrowing with inadequate production to repay it?

ACORN is now demonstrating and filing lawsuits against banks to force
them to once again make the loans that got the banks into trouble in
the first place.

I didn't realize that ACORN was considered "corporatists".

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Jul 2, 10:04*pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. *Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. *You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. *It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. *Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? *Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? *I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. *But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. *Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. *Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. *That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. *Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. *It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic

Completely agree. *That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.

I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. *Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.

Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.

Scummy business already has ruined this country.

The business called "unions".

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Jul 2, 10:04*pm, Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 8:59*pm, nada wrote: Vic Smith wrote:

Remember when they were calling for increased savings and then

the Supplier Side Economists and Corporatist started manipulating Laws
to encourage borrowing with inadequate production to repay it?

ACORN is now demonstrating and filing lawsuits against banks to force
them to once again make the loans that got the banks into trouble in
the first place.

I didn't realize that ACORN was considered "corporatists".

This is the silliest bunch of rationalizations for economic
incompetence I have ever heard. When you threaten to punish those who
create jobs, guess what, no jobs. When you make sure we all know you
plan to tax businesses more, gues what, layoffs so they can pay their
anticipated taxes. You dont think cap and scam has anything to do
with the drop in stocks today?
Good Job Dems

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.

The business called "unions".


What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in, the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates your
simplemindedness.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Jul 2, 10:18*pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. *Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. *You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. *It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. *Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? *Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? *I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. *But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. *Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. *Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. *That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away..
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. *Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. *It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. *That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. *Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.

The business called "unions".

What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in, the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates your
simplemindedness.

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:18 pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.
The business called "unions".
What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in, the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates your
simplemindedness.

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.


Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Jul 2, 10:42*pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:18 pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. *Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. *You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. *It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. *Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? *Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? *I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. *But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. *Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace..
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. *Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. *That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. *Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. *It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. *That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. *Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.
The business called "unions".
What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in, the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates your
simplemindedness.

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. *I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.

Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

HK you just keep repeating that mantra while standing in the
unemployment line.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:49:34 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jul 2, 10:42*pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:18 pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. *Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. *You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. *It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. *Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? *Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? *I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. *But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. *Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. *Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. *That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. *Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. *It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. *That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. *Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.
The business called "unions".
What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in, the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates your
simplemindedness.

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. *I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.

Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

HK you just keep repeating that mantra while standing in the
unemployment line.

While unemployment may not have reached its ultimate height, we will
recover. The question is whether we recover from this smart or
stupid.

If we don't reinvest in America and find a way to build and sell goods
and services to our own citizens, following generations will be
screwed.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Jul 2, 11:17*pm, jps wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:49:34 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch



wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:42*pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:18 pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. *Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. *You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. *It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. *Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? *Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? *I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. *But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. *Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. *Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. *That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. *Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. *It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel..
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. *That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. *Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.
The business called "unions".
What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in, the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates your
simplemindedness.

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. *I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.

Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

HK you just keep repeating that mantra while standing in the
unemployment line.

While unemployment may not have reached its ultimate height, we will
recover. *The question is whether we recover from this smart or
stupid.

If we don't reinvest in America and find a way to build and sell goods
and services to our own citizens, following generations will be
screwed.

Well Obama has already enslaved any child born today by saddling him
with $40,000 in debt. When you are in debt, you dont spend freely.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic

Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.

I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.

Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.

Ahhhhh, a post from Just a Piece of ****...

Buh, Bye asshole, and you know you are.

plonk

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:49:34 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jul 2, 10:42 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:18 pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps
wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad
with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush.
You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on
strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so
thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end
of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay
your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might
send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a
beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this
bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and
inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going
down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the
populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during
that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the
false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly
paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone
away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods
with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and
the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying
to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous
and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.
The business called "unions".
What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in,
the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates your
simplemindedness.

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.

Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

HK you just keep repeating that mantra while standing in the
unemployment line.

While unemployment may not have reached its ultimate height, we will
recover. The question is whether we recover from this smart or
stupid.

If we don't reinvest in America and find a way to build and sell goods
and services to our own citizens, following generations will be
screwed.

Investing in America, or funding 9000 earmarks in a foolish spending spree?
Obama and company are not investing in America!

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.
------------------------------------

The most significant current factor affecting the US economy/recovery right
now in both business and in private spending habits is the incredible,
unfathomable amount of spending and debt that this administration is willing
to commit to. It's the same, irresponible spending on credit philosophy
that got us into the situation we are in in the first place, except at a
grand, federal level and with inadequate income to pay the bills.

Our liberal social reformers can try to justify it all they want. The fact
is the country can simply not afford it. Rational and economically
thoughtful people understand this and are very concerned.

Business is the lifeblood of this country as we know it. Without incentives
for it to grow and prosper, the USA will choke to death in social program
debt.

Laws should be enforced to prevent scams and illegal business activities,
but the only way to return this country to prosperity is to provide
incentives for businesses to grow. Instead, and as witnessed here by the
comments of our liberal anti-corporation friends, the "enlightened"
philosophy and "in thing' now is to crucify all business or corporate
entities. It's like ****ing in your own water supply.

Eisboch

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:55:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:49:34 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jul 2, 10:42 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:18 pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps
wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad
with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush.
You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on
strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so
thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end
of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay
your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might
send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a
beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this
bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and
inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going
down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the
populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during
that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the
false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly
paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone
away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods
with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and
the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying
to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous
and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.
The business called "unions".
What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in,
the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates your
simplemindedness.

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.

Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

HK you just keep repeating that mantra while standing in the
unemployment line.

While unemployment may not have reached its ultimate height, we will
recover. The question is whether we recover from this smart or
stupid.

If we don't reinvest in America and find a way to build and sell goods
and services to our own citizens, following generations will be
screwed.

Investing in America, or funding 9000 earmarks in a foolish spending spree?
Obama and company are not investing in America!


How's that 3 trillion investment in Iraq going? Pretty good?

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

"HK" wrote in message
...


Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

That excuse is only good for so long, and it's getting dated.
Every new administration inherits problems and issues and they deserve to be
judged and held accountable on how they respond to them.

Obama had many good qualities as a global representative of the US compared
to the previous administration, but the shine and glitter is becoming
tarnished, especially in his domestic economic policies. His solution to
all ills is to promise to throw more money at them. Problem is, there's no
money to be thrown and the public, even a growing number of those who were
mesmerized by the hope and change rhetoric are waking up and realizing it.
His community organizer background is proving to be naive, wishful thinking
in the real world of global politics and economics.

Nice guy and all, but he's going to get his clock cleaned if he doesn't
wake up.


Eisboch

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...


Investing in America, or funding 9000 earmarks in a foolish spending
spree? Obama and company are not investing in America!


Exactly right and the public is waking up to this.

I don't blame Obama completely. I primarily blame the bunch of crooked
jerks in Congress.
Obama's guilt is not reading them the riot act and insuring good use and
application of stimulus spending. Instead, he gave them a new, flashy
credit card with an unlimited credit line.

Eisboch

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:55:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:49:34 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jul 2, 10:42 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:18 pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps
wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that
bad
with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only
be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush.
You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on
strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so
thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the
end
of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay
your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he
might
send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a
beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this
bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the
major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and
inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going
down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the
populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering
during
that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the
false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly
paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting
your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated
greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone
away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi
poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods
with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through
osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and
the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker
barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying
to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the
middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations
take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most
advantageous
and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.
The business called "unions".
What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in,
the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies
that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates
your
simplemindedness.

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.

Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

HK you just keep repeating that mantra while standing in the
unemployment line.

While unemployment may not have reached its ultimate height, we will
recover. The question is whether we recover from this smart or
stupid.

If we don't reinvest in America and find a way to build and sell goods
and services to our own citizens, following generations will be
screwed.

Investing in America, or funding 9000 earmarks in a foolish spending
spree?
Obama and company are not investing in America!


How's that 3 trillion investment in Iraq going? Pretty good?

It sucks. We do not have 3 trillion to waste in Iraq or anywhere else.
Why is the current powers spending 4 trillion plus we do not have and can
not afford?

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:18 pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad
with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on
strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so
thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the
end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he
might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a
beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this
bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and
inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during
that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the
false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone
away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous
and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.
The business called "unions".
What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in, the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates your
simplemindedness.

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.


Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

I sure do wish he would learn to manage his inheritance more wisely.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...

Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

That excuse is only good for so long, and it's getting dated.
Every new administration inherits problems and issues and they deserve to be
judged and held accountable on how they respond to them.

Obama had many good qualities as a global representative of the US compared
to the previous administration, but the shine and glitter is becoming
tarnished, especially in his domestic economic policies. His solution to
all ills is to promise to throw more money at them. Problem is, there's no
money to be thrown and the public, even a growing number of those who were
mesmerized by the hope and change rhetoric are waking up and realizing it.
His community organizer background is proving to be naive, wishful thinking
in the real world of global politics and economics.

Nice guy and all, but he's going to get his clock cleaned if he doesn't
wake up.


Eisboch


All that glitters is not gold in Obama's case. He doesn't have a clue
what money represents, but he is doing a hell of a job destroying the
value of money. I vote we go back to the bartering system where goods
and services are traded for goods and services of like value.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

Investing in America, or funding 9000 earmarks in a foolish spending
spree? Obama and company are not investing in America!


Exactly right and the public is waking up to this.

I don't blame Obama completely. I primarily blame the bunch of crooked
jerks in Congress.
Obama's guilt is not reading them the riot act and insuring good use and
application of stimulus spending. Instead, he gave them a new, flashy
credit card with an unlimited credit line.

Eisboch


He promised us he wouldn't do that.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.
------------------------------------

The most significant current factor affecting the US economy/recovery right
now in both business and in private spending habits is the incredible,
unfathomable amount of spending and debt that this administration is willing
to commit to. It's the same, irresponible spending on credit philosophy
that got us into the situation we are in in the first place, except at a
grand, federal level and with inadequate income to pay the bills.

Our liberal social reformers can try to justify it all they want. The fact
is the country can simply not afford it. Rational and economically
thoughtful people understand this and are very concerned.

Business is the lifeblood of this country as we know it. Without incentives
for it to grow and prosper, the USA will choke to death in social program
debt.

Laws should be enforced to prevent scams and illegal business activities,
but the only way to return this country to prosperity is to provide
incentives for businesses to grow. Instead, and as witnessed here by the
comments of our liberal anti-corporation friends, the "enlightened"
philosophy and "in thing' now is to crucify all business or corporate
entities. It's like ****ing in your own water supply.

Eisboch



I must have missed the part in which you explained why we should once
again "trust" business to do the "right thing" for working Americans and
their families. American businesses have sold us down the river by:

1. exporting jobs as quickly as possible

2. producing products that kill us or make us sick

3. running financial services companies in a manner that literally
bankrupted millions of families and made a retirement just about impossible

4. cutting back on health care benefits for workers, and resisting
efforts to enable national health care plans

5. hiring "foreign" workers to come to this country legally and displace
higher-paid American workers

6. hiring as many "illegal" workers as possible so as to have an easily
exploitable workforce

7. fighting regulations that ensure American-made content

8. fighting anti-pollution laws

9. pushing for more and more development at the expense of the environment

10.engaging in massive fraud whenever possible to screw the taxpayers

And so forth.

Yes, Richard, I know. There are businesses that are operated
properly...for their owners.

Sorry, I don't trust "business" to "do the right thing" for anyone other
than its immediate owners and top executive employees. I might start
believing again if corporate salaries were limited to, oh, maybe 10
times the salary of the average non-executive worker at each company.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.
------------------------------------

The most significant current factor affecting the US economy/recovery
right now in both business and in private spending habits is the
incredible, unfathomable amount of spending and debt that this
administration is willing to commit to. It's the same, irresponible
spending on credit philosophy that got us into the situation we are in
in the first place, except at a grand, federal level and with
inadequate income to pay the bills.

Our liberal social reformers can try to justify it all they want.
The fact is the country can simply not afford it. Rational and
economically thoughtful people understand this and are very concerned.

Business is the lifeblood of this country as we know it. Without
incentives for it to grow and prosper, the USA will choke to death in
social program debt.

Laws should be enforced to prevent scams and illegal business
activities, but the only way to return this country to prosperity is
to provide incentives for businesses to grow. Instead, and as
witnessed here by the comments of our liberal anti-corporation
friends, the "enlightened" philosophy and "in thing' now is to
crucify all business or corporate entities. It's like ****ing in your
own water supply.

Eisboch


I must have missed the part in which you explained why we should once
again "trust" business to do the "right thing" for working Americans and
their families. American businesses have sold us down the river by:

1. exporting jobs as quickly as possible

2. producing products that kill us or make us sick

3. running financial services companies in a manner that literally
bankrupted millions of families and made a retirement just about impossible

4. cutting back on health care benefits for workers, and resisting
efforts to enable national health care plans

5. hiring "foreign" workers to come to this country legally and displace
higher-paid American workers

6. hiring as many "illegal" workers as possible so as to have an easily
exploitable workforce

7. fighting regulations that ensure American-made content

8. fighting anti-pollution laws

9. pushing for more and more development at the expense of the environment

10.engaging in massive fraud whenever possible to screw the taxpayers

And so forth.

Yes, Richard, I know. There are businesses that are operated
properly...for their owners.

Sorry, I don't trust "business" to "do the right thing" for anyone other
than its immediate owners and top executive employees. I might start
believing again if corporate salaries were limited to, oh, maybe 10
times the salary of the average non-executive worker at each company.





If it wasn't for business you'd still be rubbing sticks together to make
fire, and eating squirrel.
Sorry, I don't trust government to do the right thing. Your government
is as corrupt as any business you can name.
Stop crying and wake up.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

J i m wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

Investing in America, or funding 9000 earmarks in a foolish spending
spree? Obama and company are not investing in America!


Exactly right and the public is waking up to this.

I don't blame Obama completely. I primarily blame the bunch of
crooked jerks in Congress.
Obama's guilt is not reading them the riot act and insuring good use
and application of stimulus spending. Instead, he gave them a new,
flashy credit card with an unlimited credit line.

Eisboch

He promised us he wouldn't do that.

Well, as we have seen so far, that really means nothing at all. He said
whatever came to mind at the time but we all knew what he was before he
got elected. Problem is, the MSM never asked, and still hasn't asked a
tough question for fear of being thrown "off of the plane". This tactic
of never facing a real question or interview started long ago with the
dems, particularly the Clinton gang. MSM doesn't care as long as they
get to go to the party...

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

JustWait wrote:
J i m wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
...

Investing in America, or funding 9000 earmarks in a foolish spending
spree? Obama and company are not investing in America!


Exactly right and the public is waking up to this.

I don't blame Obama completely. I primarily blame the bunch of
crooked jerks in Congress.
Obama's guilt is not reading them the riot act and insuring good use
and application of stimulus spending. Instead, he gave them a new,
flashy credit card with an unlimited credit line.

Eisboch

He promised us he wouldn't do that.

Well, as we have seen so far, that really means nothing at all. He said
whatever came to mind at the time but we all knew what he was before he
got elected. Problem is, the MSM never asked, and still hasn't asked a
tough question for fear of being thrown "off of the plane". This tactic
of never facing a real question or interview started long ago with the
dems, particularly the Clinton gang. MSM doesn't care as long as they
get to go to the party...


Ahhh...justhate, unemployable, brain-damaged, and regurgitating
right-wing babble. Nothing's changed.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Jul 2, 10:49*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:42*pm, HK wrote:





Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:18 pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. *Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. *You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. *It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. *Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? *Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? *I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. *But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. *Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. *Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. *That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. *Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. *It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. *That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. *Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.
The business called "unions".
What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in, the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates your
simplemindedness.

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. *I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.

Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

HK you just keep repeating that mantra while standing in the
unemployment line.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

His social worker wife supports him.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

"HK" wrote in message
...

Yes, Richard, I know. There are businesses that are operated
properly...for their owners.

Sorry, I don't trust "business" to "do the right thing" for anyone other
than its immediate owners and top executive employees. I might start
believing again if corporate salaries were limited to, oh, maybe 10 times
the salary of the average non-executive worker at each company.


Like it or not, business and capitalism is the lifeblood of our country and
economy.
The focus should be on eradicating special interests, crooked politicians,
greed in corporations and in the enforcement of laws.

The alternative is government controlled commerce and economy. Is that
what you advocate?

Eisboch

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:03:55 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...

Yes, Richard, I know. There are businesses that are operated
properly...for their owners.

Sorry, I don't trust "business" to "do the right thing" for anyone other
than its immediate owners and top executive employees. I might start
believing again if corporate salaries were limited to, oh, maybe 10 times
the salary of the average non-executive worker at each company.


Like it or not, business and capitalism is the lifeblood of our country and
economy.
The focus should be on eradicating special interests, crooked politicians,
greed in corporations and in the enforcement of laws.

The alternative is government controlled commerce and economy. Is that
what you advocate?

Eisboch

Was that a rhetorical question? Harry advocates whatever Obama wants.
And, if it doesn't quite work out well, then it's Bush's fault.

I think you're just trying to be humorous here.
--
John H

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until it's free!"
--Anonymous

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 23:46:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 21:55:35 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 19:49:34 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jul 2, 10:42 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:18 pm, HK wrote:
Jack wrote:
On Jul 2, 10:04 pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps
wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that
bad
with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only
be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush.
You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on
strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so
thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the
end
of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay
your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he
might
send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a
beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this
bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the
major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and
inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going
down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the
populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering
during
that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the
false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly
paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting
your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated
greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone
away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi
poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods
with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through
osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and
the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker
barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.
--Vic
Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying
to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.
I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the
middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations
take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most
advantageous
and
labor rates the lowest.
Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.
Scummy business already has ruined this country.
The business called "unions".
What's funny is that you really don't get it. It's the business
practices since the Reagan mis-Administration that have done us in,
the
unbridled greed of corporations and financial services companies
that
has looted this country of its assets. Blaming that on the small
percentage of the workforce that is unionized just demonstrates
your
simplemindedness.

Whoa, who woulda thunk that dead Reagan coulda tricked us inta
spending that nearly 2 trillion under Obama. I spose that just shows
how great Reagan was to force Obama to spend all that money and
accomplish nothing.

Obama didn't create a failed economy...he inherited it.

HK you just keep repeating that mantra while standing in the
unemployment line.

While unemployment may not have reached its ultimate height, we will
recover. The question is whether we recover from this smart or
stupid.

If we don't reinvest in America and find a way to build and sell goods
and services to our own citizens, following generations will be
screwed.

Investing in America, or funding 9000 earmarks in a foolish spending
spree?
Obama and company are not investing in America!


How's that 3 trillion investment in Iraq going? Pretty good?

It sucks. We do not have 3 trillion to waste in Iraq or anywhere else.
Why is the current powers spending 4 trillion plus we do not have and can
not afford?

Your accounting for what? 10 years?

God forbid we use $ to provide health care to Americans.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:03:55 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
...

Yes, Richard, I know. There are businesses that are operated
properly...for their owners.

Sorry, I don't trust "business" to "do the right thing" for anyone other
than its immediate owners and top executive employees. I might start
believing again if corporate salaries were limited to, oh, maybe 10 times
the salary of the average non-executive worker at each company.


Like it or not, business and capitalism is the lifeblood of our country and
economy.

Having people with enough money to consume those products is critical.

A minor oversight of the trickle-down "conservatives."

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Yes, Richard, I know. There are businesses that are operated
properly...for their owners.

Sorry, I don't trust "business" to "do the right thing" for anyone
other than its immediate owners and top executive employees. I might
start believing again if corporate salaries were limited to, oh, maybe
10 times the salary of the average non-executive worker at each company.


Like it or not, business and capitalism is the lifeblood of our country
and economy.
The focus should be on eradicating special interests, crooked
politicians, greed in corporations and in the enforcement of laws.

The alternative is government controlled commerce and economy. Is
that what you advocate?

Eisboch

Richard, how do you propose eradicating the greed of corporations and
their senior employees? I know one way...mandatory nearly confiscatory
taxes on ALL income, whatever the source, above a certain amount, strict
limitations on bonuses, and no deferral of income.

That might lead to a corporate executive class as incompetent as the one
we have now, though, eh?

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Yes, Richard, I know. There are businesses that are operated
properly...for their owners.

Sorry, I don't trust "business" to "do the right thing" for anyone other
than its immediate owners and top executive employees. I might start
believing again if corporate salaries were limited to, oh, maybe 10
times the salary of the average non-executive worker at each company.


Like it or not, business and capitalism is the lifeblood of our country
and economy.
The focus should be on eradicating special interests, crooked
politicians, greed in corporations and in the enforcement of laws.

The alternative is government controlled commerce and economy. Is that
what you advocate?

Eisboch

Richard, how do you propose eradicating the greed of corporations and
their senior employees? I know one way...mandatory nearly confiscatory
taxes on ALL income, whatever the source, above a certain amount, strict
limitations on bonuses, and no deferral of income.

That might lead to a corporate executive class as incompetent as the one
we have now, though, eh?

That's classic Marxism, Harry. Your true colors are showing.

9.5 WHOO-EEE, way to go DUDE
 

Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Yes, Richard, I know. There are businesses that are operated
properly...for their owners.

Sorry, I don't trust "business" to "do the right thing" for anyone
other than its immediate owners and top executive employees. I might
start believing again if corporate salaries were limited to, oh,
maybe 10 times the salary of the average non-executive worker at
each company.


Like it or not, business and capitalism is the lifeblood of our
country and economy.
The focus should be on eradicating special interests, crooked
politicians, greed in corporations and in the enforcement of laws.

The alternative is government controlled commerce and economy. Is
that what you advocate?

Eisboch

Richard, how do you propose eradicating the greed of corporations and
their senior employees? I know one way...mandatory nearly confiscatory
taxes on ALL income, whatever the source, above a certain amount,
strict limitations on bonuses, and no deferral of income.

That might lead to a corporate executive class as incompetent as the
one we have now, though, eh?

That's classic Marxism, Harry. Your true colors are showing.



Sorry, Lu, but it isn't. Obviously, you don't know anything about
Marxism, either. Or are you disputing that our corporate executive class
is incompetent?