On Jul 1, 8:43*pm, HK wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:42 pm, HK wrote:
Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:09:24 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
I'd like to see a true high tech wood composite. *Maybe bamboo
alternating with carbon fiber/ epoxy and then bamboo running at right
angles to the first. *This would be lighter and stronger than marine
ply. *On the outsides it would be skinned with a lighter glass than we
use for boats now like my Tolman.
It's called cold molding.
http://www.cwb.org/cold-molded-boat-building-2009
Been around for years.
Building a cold-moulded wood boat requires...well...the sort of skill
that comes from experience. But it does produce beautiful boats.

Bzzzttt....wrong.. With the equipment and materials available now,
it's pretty straight up... Oh, and you were wrong before too when you
dismissed plywood for complex curves and angles.. You don't know ****
about boat building, why not stay out of this thread. After all, it's
about boats..

Please. You failed as a builder of dinghies...what the hell do you know?
Crikey, you can't even paint a straight waterline on a rowboat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, retired to take care of family... You have failed at about
everything, I mean, like Dick said. You worked for a bunch of crooks
at some power company and wrote a flyer for a union.. So much is the
story of your life.. Did they even use the material you wrote?

On Jul 2, 10:40*am, Richard Casady
wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:09:37 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
HK: *I had forgotten what happens to carbon fiber masts when struck by
lightning. *Maybe Boron fiber..........

*Wood can explode from lightning due to steam explosions. What happens
with carbon? It should be dry but maybe just traces are too much.

Casady

Here is why I think many sailboats are made with carbon fiber masts.
1. Most are sailed in areas without the number of lightning strikes
of Florida.
2. When kept in a marina, the likelyhood of a single specific mast
being hit is low.

Thus, the only time a carbon fiber mast is a danger is when the boat
is the lone boat under a thunderstorm.
It is not the moisture that makes CF masts explode into fibers, it is
the resistance of the tiny gaps between ends of fibers that are filled
with resin. This resistance is sufficient to cause rapid heating.
By comparison, wood masts are poor conductors, even when they have
some moisture in them thus power is dissipated over the entire volume
instead of just at the pointy fiber ends where electric fields tend to
concentrate.
At least, this is my theory and I'll admit it is a stretch.

"Gene" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:41:10 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:20:05 -0400, HK wrote:

And for a superior boat building material? Welded plate aluminum.

It's not bad with rivets. All airplanes are riveted, none welded.

Casady

(1) Rivets and boats are as big a PITA as Integral Fuel Tanks and
Rivets.... unless you have a fondness for corrosion and leaks....

(2) Wrong.
http://www.eclipseaviation.com/compa...nnovations.php

--

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"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by
the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do.
So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover." - Unknown

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
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Interesting welding method. Lastest AWS journal has an article where they
now stir weld steel pipe and plate.

On Jul 2, 11:35*am, Gene wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:41:10 -0500, Richard Casady

wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:20:05 -0400, HK wrote:

And for a superior boat building material? Welded plate aluminum.

It's not bad with rivets. All airplanes are riveted, none welded.

Casady

(1) Rivets and boats are as big a PITA as Integral Fuel Tanks and
Rivets.... unless you have a fondness for corrosion and leaks....

(2) Wrong.http://www.eclipseaviation.com/compa...nnovations.php

--

Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by
the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do.
So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover." * - Unknown

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm

One of the troubles with aluminum is it's fracturability. You can take
a piece of aluminum bar stock, say 1/4"x2", put it in a vice, score it
across somewhere with a razor knife, using light pressure, and if you
start flexing it, that's where it'll break, and it'll be a clean break
right where you scored.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:45:23 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker penned the
following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Jul 2, 11:35 am, Gene wrote:
| On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:41:10 -0500, Richard Casady
|
| wrote:
| On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:20:05 -0400, HK wrote:
|
| And for a superior boat building material? Welded plate aluminum.
|
| It's not bad with rivets. All airplanes are riveted, none welded.
|
| Casady
|
| (1) Rivets and boats are as big a PITA as Integral Fuel Tanks and
| Rivets.... unless you have a fondness for corrosion and leaks....
|
| (2) Wrong.http://www.eclipseaviation.com/compa...nnovations.php
|
| --
|
| Forté Agent 5.00 Build 1171
|
| "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by
| the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do.
| So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor.
| Catch the trade winds in your sails.
| Explore. Dream. Discover." - Unknown
|
| Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.
|
|
Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/boating/the_boat/my_boat.htm
|
|One of the troubles with aluminum is it's fracturability. You can take
|a piece of aluminum bar stock, say 1/4"x2", put it in a vice, score it
|across somewhere with a razor knife, using light pressure, and if you
|start flexing it, that's where it'll break, and it'll be a clean break
|right where you scored.

That is so predictable, I don't allow my students to have a scriber in
their tool box.....

--
Agent 5.00 Build 1171

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepage
http://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/



The one major problem with Aluminum is not really a B-10 rating, or whatever
it is called now. As long as you keep steel out of the plastic range, it
will not fracture like that. Aluminum does not have that ability. Just
design so the aluminum is not flexing all the time.

Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:09:37 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

HK: I had forgotten what happens to carbon fiber masts when struck by
lightning. Maybe Boron fiber..........

Wood can explode from lightning due to steam explosions. What happens
with carbon? It should be dry but maybe just traces are too much.

Casady

You are once again attributing something froggy said to me.

JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:42 pm, HK wrote:
Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:09:24 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
I'd like to see a true high tech wood composite. Maybe bamboo
alternating with carbon fiber/ epoxy and then bamboo running at right
angles to the first. This would be lighter and stronger than marine
ply. On the outsides it would be skinned with a lighter glass than we
use for boats now like my Tolman.
It's called cold molding.
http://www.cwb.org/cold-molded-boat-building-2009
Been around for years.
Building a cold-moulded wood boat requires...well...the sort of skill
that comes from experience. But it does produce beautiful boats.
Bzzzttt....wrong.. With the equipment and materials available now,
it's pretty straight up... Oh, and you were wrong before too when you
dismissed plywood for complex curves and angles.. You don't know ****
about boat building, why not stay out of this thread. After all, it's
about boats..
Please. You failed as a builder of dinghies...what the hell do you know?
Crikey, you can't even paint a straight waterline on a rowboat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, retired to take care of family... You have failed at about
everything, I mean, like Dick said. You worked for a bunch of crooks
at some power company and wrote a flyer for a union.. So much is the
story of your life.. Did they even use the material you wrote?



snerk go learn how to use a roll of masking tape to mark a
waterline, mr. pitiful.

On Jul 2, 4:53*pm, HK wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jul 1, 8:43 pm, HK wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jul 1, 1:42 pm, HK wrote:
Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:09:24 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
I'd like to see a true high tech wood composite. *Maybe bamboo
alternating with carbon fiber/ epoxy and then bamboo running at right
angles to the first. *This would be lighter and stronger than marine
ply. *On the outsides it would be skinned with a lighter glass than we
use for boats now like my Tolman.
It's called cold molding.
http://www.cwb.org/cold-molded-boat-building-2009
Been around for years.
Building a cold-moulded wood boat requires...well...the sort of skill
that comes from experience. But it does produce beautiful boats.
Bzzzttt....wrong.. With the equipment and materials available now,
it's pretty straight up... Oh, and you were wrong before too when you
dismissed plywood for complex curves and angles.. You don't know ****
about boat building, why not stay out of this thread. After all, it's
about boats..
Please. You failed as a builder of dinghies...what the hell do you know?
Crikey, you can't even paint a straight waterline on a rowboat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nope, retired to take care of family... You have failed at about
everything, I mean, like Dick said. You worked for a bunch of crooks
at some power company and wrote a flyer for a union.. *So much is the
story of your life.. Did they even use the material you wrote?

*snerk go learn how to use a roll of masking tape to mark a
waterline, mr. pitiful.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You are making up stories again. Go hide under your desk and read
about painting on Google..

JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jul 2, 4:53 pm, HK wrote:

Nope, retired to take care of family... You have failed at about
everything, I mean, like Dick said. You worked for a bunch of crooks
at some power company and wrote a flyer for a union.. So much is the
story of your life.. Did they even use the material you wrote?
snerk go learn how to use a roll of masking tape to mark a
waterline, mr. pitiful.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You are making up stories again. Go hide under your desk and read
about painting on Google..


I saw the photos of your personal rowboat, bozo. You don't know how to
mark a waterline. It looked like you put the boat in the water and then
used a crayon to mark the waterline after you had a few too many beers.

I had no idea I had "worked...at some power company." Which one?

On Jul 2, 5:07*pm, HK wrote:
JustWaitAFrekinMinute! wrote:
On Jul 2, 4:53 pm, HK wrote:
Nope, retired to take care of family... You have failed at about
everything, I mean, like Dick said. You worked for a bunch of crooks
at some power company and wrote a flyer for a union.. *So much is the
story of your life.. Did they even use the material you wrote?
*snerk go learn how to use a roll of masking tape to mark a
waterline, mr. pitiful.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You are making up stories again. Go hide under your desk and read
about painting on Google..

I saw the photos of your personal rowboat, bozo. You don't know how to
mark a waterline. It looked like you put the boat in the water and then
used a crayon to mark the waterline after you had a few too many beers.

Nope, you are making it up as usual....

I had no idea I had "worked...at some power company." Which one?