On Jun 30, 11:05*am, HK wrote:
...whose lives are easier now because of the labor movement:

Labor is the great producer of wealth: it moves all other causes.
Congressman Daniel Webster, 4/2/1824


Very true, Herr Krause. Mr. Webster knew that work was a fair gain,
while deadbeats and leeches were a drain on society.

HK wrote:
....whose lives are easier now because of the labor movement:

Labor is the great producer of wealth: it moves all other causes.
Congressman Daniel Webster, 4/2/1824


With all their faults, trade unions have done more for humanity than any
other organization that ever existed. They have done more for decency,
for honesty, for education, for the betterment of the race, for the
developing of character in man, than the other association of men.
Clarence Darrow, The Railroad Trainman, 1909


Without labor nothing prospers.
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The history of America has been largely created by the deeds of its
working people and their organizations. Nor has this contribution been
confined to raising wages and bettering work conditions; it has been
fundamental to almost every effort to extend and strengthen our democracy.
William Cahn, labor authority and historian



We insist that labor is entitled to as much respect as property. But our
workers with hand and brain deserve more than respect for their labor.
They deserve practical protection in the opportunity to use their labor
at a return adequate to support them at a decent and constantly rising
standard of living, and to accumulate a margin of security against the
inevitable vicissitudes of life.
President Franklin D. Roosevelt, fireside chat, 1936



If I were a worker in a factory, the first thing I would do would be to
join a union.
President Franklin D. Roosevelt



The first thing a dictator does is abolish the free press. Next he
abolishes the right of labor to go on strike. Strikes have been labor's
weapon of progress in the century of our industrial civilization. Where
the strike has been abolished ... labor is reduced to a state of
medieval peonage, the standard of living lowered, the nation falls to
subsistence level.
George Seldes, Freedom of the Press, 1935


The right to join a union of one's choice is unquestioned today and is
sanctioned and protected by law.
President Harry S. Truman


Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of the right to
join the union of their choice.
President Dwight Eisenhower (1953-1961), general and Allied Supreme
Commander in World War II



There's s a direct relationship between the ballot box and the bread
box, and what the union fights for and wins at the bargaining table can
be taken away in the legislative halls.
Walter Reuther


In light of this fundamental structure of all work... in light of the
fact that, labor and capital are indispensable in any social system ...
it is clear that even if it is because of production in any social
system ... it is clear that even if it is because of their work needs
that people unite to secure their rights, their union remains a
constructive factor of social order and solidarity, and it is impossible
to ignore it.
Pope John Paul II



The history of the labor movements needs to be taught in every school in
this land. America is a living testimonial to what free men and women,
organized in free democratic trade unions can do to make a better life.
.... We ought to be proud of it!
Vice President Hubert Horatio Humphrey, Jr. (1865-1969), Lyndon Johnson
Administration


Our labor unions are not narrow, self-seeking groups. They have raised
wages, shortened hours, and provided supplemental benefits. Through
collective bargaining and grievance procedures, they have brought
justice and democracy to the shop floor.
President John F. Kennedy, 1962


The AFL-CIO has done more good for more people than any (other) group in
America in its legislative efforts. It doesn't just try to do something
about wages and hours for its own people. No group in the country works
harder in the interests of everyone.
President Lyndon Johnson, 1965

My calendar says it's 2009, WAFA.

Gene wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:05:39 -0400, HK wrote:

...whose lives are easier now because of the labor movement:

While I concede that the labor movement did, indeed, improve the lives
of some Americans, it can't go unnoticed that the supporting quotes
are at least 40 and most cases 50-100+ years old.

I think, for the astute, there is a realization there to be had.....


Yeah, that today, a strong labor union movement is needed more than ever
in the face of internationalism, corporatism, the exporting of jobs, and
the elimination of hard-fought-for fringe benefits everywhere in the
country. Workers of all sorts are being reduced to the same sort of
chattel they were in the 19th century.

On Jun 30, 12:57*pm, HK wrote:
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:05:39 -0400, HK wrote:

...whose lives are easier now because of the labor movement:

While I concede that the labor movement did, indeed, improve the lives
of some Americans, it can't go unnoticed that the supporting quotes
are at least 40 and most cases 50-100+ years old.

I think, for the astute, there is a realization there to be had.....

Yeah, that today, a strong labor union movement is needed more than ever
in the face of internationalism, corporatism, the exporting of jobs, and
the elimination of hard-fought-for fringe benefits everywhere in the
country. Workers of all sorts are being reduced to the same sort of
chattel they were in the 19th century.

Too bad you chose to **** on your brethren and buy a Japanese made non
union vehicle, huh?

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:05:39 -0400, HK wrote:

...whose lives are easier now because of the labor movement:

While I concede that the labor movement did, indeed, improve the lives
of some Americans, it can't go unnoticed that the supporting quotes
are at least 40 and most cases 50-100+ years old.

I think, for the astute, there is a realization there to be had.....


Yeah, that today, a strong labor union movement is needed more than ever
in the face of internationalism, corporatism, the exporting of jobs, and
the elimination of hard-fought-for fringe benefits everywhere in the
country. Workers of all sorts are being reduced to the same sort of
chattel they were in the 19th century.

Bull! Next tine you want a job, ask for one from a union member. Don't
bother a business owner or manager.

Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:05:39 -0400, HK wrote:

...whose lives are easier now because of the labor movement:

While I concede that the labor movement did, indeed, improve the lives
of some Americans, it can't go unnoticed that the supporting quotes
are at least 40 and most cases 50-100+ years old.

I think, for the astute, there is a realization there to be had.....


Yeah, that today, a strong labor union movement is needed more than
ever in the face of internationalism, corporatism, the exporting of
jobs, and the elimination of hard-fought-for fringe benefits
everywhere in the country. Workers of all sorts are being reduced to
the same sort of chattel they were in the 19th century.

Bull! Next tine you want a job, ask for one from a union member. Don't
bother a business owner or manager.



Poor Lu. Dumb as a post. Again.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:05:39 -0400, HK wrote:

...whose lives are easier now because of the labor movement:

While I concede that the labor movement did, indeed, improve the lives
of some Americans, it can't go unnoticed that the supporting quotes
are at least 40 and most cases 50-100+ years old.

I think, for the astute, there is a realization there to be had.....


Yeah, that today, a strong labor union movement is needed more than ever
in the face of internationalism, corporatism, the exporting of jobs, and
the elimination of hard-fought-for fringe benefits everywhere in the
country. Workers of all sorts are being reduced to the same sort of
chattel they were in the 19th century.

Bull! Next tine you want a job, ask for one from a union member. Don't
bother a business owner or manager.



Poor Lu. Dumb as a post. Again.

There you go. Attack the messenger, never the message. Again.

Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Lu Powell wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Gene wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:05:39 -0400, HK wrote:

...whose lives are easier now because of the labor movement:

While I concede that the labor movement did, indeed, improve the lives
of some Americans, it can't go unnoticed that the supporting quotes
are at least 40 and most cases 50-100+ years old.

I think, for the astute, there is a realization there to be had.....


Yeah, that today, a strong labor union movement is needed more than
ever in the face of internationalism, corporatism, the exporting of
jobs, and the elimination of hard-fought-for fringe benefits
everywhere in the country. Workers of all sorts are being reduced to
the same sort of chattel they were in the 19th century.

Bull! Next tine you want a job, ask for one from a union member.
Don't bother a business owner or manager.



Poor Lu. Dumb as a post. Again.

There you go. Attack the messenger, never the message. Again.


I've never had the slightest problem obtaining work from union members.
In fact, next month I'm starting up an entirely new project that I got
from union members.

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:46:27 -0500, Eddie
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:05:39 -0400, HK wrote:

...whose lives are easier now because of the labor movement:


I have a little experience with unions.
I was a police officer with a union that was *state wide*
The union? SHOPO, in Hawaii. I was an officer with the Honolulu
dep't. I handled between 8 and 10 cases a *day* both felonies and
misdemeanors plus infractions and accidents.
The same cop in Hana, Maui, who handled maybe two cases a month, none
being felonies, made the exact pay I did. Why? Because when it was
time for a new contract, Honolulu county would agree to a 12% pay
hike. But Maui county did not have the tax base like Honolulu, so
they could only agree to 2% pay raise. What did we get? 2% of
course.
Currently HPD, one of the largest police departments in the nation is
also the lowest paid. I think they start out at around $30K a year.
Local departments here in N. CA start out around $75K. And the cost
of living is about 25% higher in Hawaii than in Ca.
Fast forward to CA. I work for a transit company in San Jose. The
union is ok, good salary, benefits, etc. But we are rewarded not on
merit but on seniority. There are drivers that should not be drivers
but because of seniority they retain their jobs.
Eddie

You are providing HK way too much personal information.
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw

Just John... for today! wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:46:27 -0500, Eddie
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:05:39 -0400, HK wrote:

...whose lives are easier now because of the labor movement:


I have a little experience with unions.
I was a police officer with a union that was *state wide*
The union? SHOPO, in Hawaii. I was an officer with the Honolulu
dep't. I handled between 8 and 10 cases a *day* both felonies and
misdemeanors plus infractions and accidents.
The same cop in Hana, Maui, who handled maybe two cases a month, none
being felonies, made the exact pay I did. Why? Because when it was
time for a new contract, Honolulu county would agree to a 12% pay
hike. But Maui county did not have the tax base like Honolulu, so
they could only agree to 2% pay raise. What did we get? 2% of
course.
Currently HPD, one of the largest police departments in the nation is
also the lowest paid. I think they start out at around $30K a year.
Local departments here in N. CA start out around $75K. And the cost
of living is about 25% higher in Hawaii than in Ca.
Fast forward to CA. I work for a transit company in San Jose. The
union is ok, good salary, benefits, etc. But we are rewarded not on
merit but on seniority. There are drivers that should not be drivers
but because of seniority they retain their jobs.
Eddie

You are providing HK way too much personal information.
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw


I like this part.

I work for a transit company in San Jose. The
union is ok, good salary, benefits, etc. But we are rewarded not on
merit but on seniority. There are drivers that should not be drivers
but because of seniority they retain their jobs.

Any union guilty of this practice should be shut down in the name of
public safety. Oh wait, they all do it. This is the number one reason
that unions suck. There's a whole sack full of other important reasons too.

And this part.


The same cop in Hana, Maui, who handled maybe two cases a month, none
being felonies, made the exact pay I did. Why? Because when it was
time for a new contract, Honolulu county would agree to a 12% pay
hike. But Maui county did not have the tax base like Honolulu, so
they could only agree to 2% pay raise. What did we get? 2% of
course.


Do you mean that, BECAUSE OF COLLECTIVE BARGAINING, Honolulu county was
penalized a 10% increase because a different county couldn't anti up? I
just can't believe this injustice to a unions own membership. And to add
insult to injury, you had to pay these thieves to represent you at the
bargaining table.

I wonder if our own resident union spokesperson Mr. Harry Krause would
care to comment. Probably not. It's doubtful that he could spin this.