Calif Bill wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Jun 28, 1:23 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 12:01 pm, John H wrote:





On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early
failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management
ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor.
My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .
Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.
But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.
But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.
BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.
I hope he knows that you know a *lot* about starters and other
electric motors.
Maybe he'll consider this fair warning.
I'd hate for him to feel too badly.
--
John H
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell
Well, after almost 30 years of working on them daily , I would hope to
think I've learned something.

But I'm always open for suggestions...

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I think Harry's father invented the electric starter.........

Harry's real father is Kettering?




If my father had invented the condom, and something like loogie
resulted, he would have started over.

On Jun 28, 6:16*pm, HK wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Jun 28, 1:23 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 12:01 pm, John H wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early
failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management
ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor.
My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .
Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.
But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.
But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.
BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.
I hope he knows that you know a *lot* about starters and other
electric motors.
Maybe he'll consider this fair warning.
I'd hate for him to feel too badly.
--
John H
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell
Well, after almost 30 years of working on them daily , I would hope to
think I've learned something.

But I'm always open for suggestions...

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I think Harry's father invented the electric starter.........

Harry's real father is Kettering?

If my father had invented the condom, and something like loogie
resulted, he would have started over.

Herr Krause.

If you're beloved father had invented a condom, especially one that
was worth a damn, then you wouldn't exist.

"HK" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message
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On Jun 28, 1:23 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 12:01 pm, John H wrote:





On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early
failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management
ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor.
My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .
Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.
But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.
But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.
BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.
I hope he knows that you know a *lot* about starters and other
electric motors.
Maybe he'll consider this fair warning.
I'd hate for him to feel too badly.
--
John H
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell
Well, after almost 30 years of working on them daily , I would hope to
think I've learned something.

But I'm always open for suggestions...

?;^ )- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think Harry's father invented the electric starter.........

Harry's real father is Kettering?


If my father had invented the condom, and something like loogie resulted,
he would have started over.

Start over?? I think he would have been sued by mankind.

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Jun 28, 1:23 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 12:01 pm, John H wrote:





On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early
failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management
ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor.
My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .
Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.
But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.
But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.
BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.
I hope he knows that you know a *lot* about starters and other
electric motors.
Maybe he'll consider this fair warning.
I'd hate for him to feel too badly.
--
John H
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell
Well, after almost 30 years of working on them daily , I would hope to
think I've learned something.

But I'm always open for suggestions...

?;^ )- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
I think Harry's father invented the electric starter.........

Harry's real father is Kettering?

If my father had invented the condom, and something like loogie resulted,
he would have started over.

Start over?? I think he would have been sued by mankind.




Sigh. You're right.

"HK" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Loogypicker" wrote in message
...
On Jun 28, 1:23 pm, Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 12:01 pm, John H wrote:





On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early
failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management
ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor.
My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .
Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.
But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.
But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.
BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.
I hope he knows that you know a *lot* about starters and other
electric motors.
Maybe he'll consider this fair warning.
I'd hate for him to feel too badly.
--
John H
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant
that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
-- Thomas Sowell
Well, after almost 30 years of working on them daily , I would hope to
think I've learned something.

But I'm always open for suggestions...

?;^ )- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think Harry's father invented the electric starter.........

Harry's real father is Kettering?


If my father had invented the condom, and something like loogie resulted,
he would have started over.

You would not exist. Or maybe ge tried to invent one after you came on the
scene.

On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:16:07 -0400, HK wrote:

If my father had invented the condom, and something like loogie
resulted, he would have started over.

My great uncle was a partially successful inventor. He dabbled with
non alcoholic beverages. He called his best effort 6-Up. Then there
was the venture into cosmetics. Channel Four, a perfume, almost made
it, but a big French company backed out at the last minute, and went
with Chanel Five instead.

Casady

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:10:36 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:16:07 -0400, HK wrote:

If my father had invented the condom, and something like loogie
resulted, he would have started over.

My great uncle was a partially successful inventor. He dabbled with
non alcoholic beverages. He called his best effort 6-Up. Then there
was the venture into cosmetics. Channel Four, a perfume, almost made
it, but a big French company backed out at the last minute, and went
with Chanel Five instead.

It's a shame how the difference between success and failure can be so
minor.
Saw a list of some of the well-known successful brands and how they
began, sometimes radically changing their product.

1. Jimmy Pluto's Engine Boatyard - became Mercury Marine.
2. Hatter Posterior Padding - converted the factory to produce
Hatterass Boats
3. Larson Swedish Bakery - became Larson Boats.
4. Parker Pen Company - became Parker Boats.

That's all I can remember of the list.

Wait...
5.
No, that ain't right. Can't remember.
Maybe misremembered the ones above.
Anybody remember that list?

--Vic