On Jun 28, 2:57*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:55:40 -0400, HK wrote:

Who makes
Evinrude? Not Evinrude. The brand name is just an asset bought on the
cheap.

I know the pre-bankruptsy Evinrude 4 strokes were Suzuki. The strange
thing is Suzuki has a fairly good name but the Evinrudes really
sucked. They had a 2 for 2 failure rate in the 2 neighbors I knew who
had them. Both had corrosion problems that led to catastrophic power
head failures.

'Zukes and Yamahas are the outboard power of choice, I think, with Mercs
third.

In the good old days, when my dad was a boat dealer, Evinrudes and
Johnsons had the best reps for corrosion resistance, and Mercs were a
distant third. Merc, my dad said, passed the OMC products in the mid to
late 1960's in that regard. I don't know if that was the case, but it
was my dad's opinion. I do know that Merc used a lot more aluminum in
the 1950s and 1960s than OMC...

Seeing how Harry was proven wrong ie: Mallory starters, I wondered how
long it would take for the thread to evolve into yet another series of
lies about Harry's father.

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:57:58 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:55:40 -0400, HK wrote:

Who makes
Evinrude? Not Evinrude. The brand name is just an asset bought on the
cheap.
I know the pre-bankruptsy Evinrude 4 strokes were Suzuki. The strange
thing is Suzuki has a fairly good name but the Evinrudes really
sucked. They had a 2 for 2 failure rate in the 2 neighbors I knew who
had them. Both had corrosion problems that led to catastrophic power
head failures.

'Zukes and Yamahas are the outboard power of choice, I think, with Mercs
third.

In the good old days, when my dad was a boat dealer, Evinrudes and
Johnsons had the best reps for corrosion resistance, and Mercs were a
distant third. Merc, my dad said, passed the OMC products in the mid to
late 1960's in that regard. I don't know if that was the case, but it
was my dad's opinion. I do know that Merc used a lot more aluminum in
the 1950s and 1960s than OMC...

The power head of most modern mercs are Yamaha anyway.

For real? I knew merc bought some 4 stroke powerheads...until it
developed its own.

On Jun 28, 12:46*pm, Gene wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 28, 10:24*am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters *early
failure *is endemic to the pervasive *decline in business management
ethics and general skill. *If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor. *

My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. *I saw it. *I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. *I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt *as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and *then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. *But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .

Which year of starters are you refering to?
usually the early *(Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap
to fix. *then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models
made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much
to brag about concerning power, *and repairs were costly like the rest
of the unit. Now the new series is *little gear reduction which is a
Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes.

But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from
a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine.

But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people
will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even
for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just
the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust
starts happening.

BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory
doesn't make a starter.

Mallory advertises that they are suppliers to OEMs (Including
Mercury). Could it be that the subject starter is actually a Chinese
knock-off?
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Could be, Gene.

On Jun 28, 10:24*am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters *early
failure *is endemic to the pervasive *decline in business management
ethics and general skill. *If these folks do not get on board with
Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers
and labor. *

My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of
little use. *I saw it. *I could not believe the inferior construction
of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. *I
heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt *as people wise up to
Mercury's inferior OEM network and *then switch to Mallory. I hope
that is fact. *But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O
starter is huge as many of you know. .

Mercruiser has become elligible for inclusion in the most
destructively managed U.S. corporations... the dirty dozen. I wonder
if Bombardier will fix OMC and then try to straighten out Mercury
Marine? *If only Kiekhaefer could rise from the grave.

Unbridled greed and no respect for *their customers, *dominates too
many American businesses and institutions. * Mercury Marine has joined
that nefarious club.... and boaters have to suffer accordingly.

I believe the starter motor in question is one of these, and yes, they
are crap.

http://www.allpointsmarineco.com/view/8066/333339/

way over priced (to the consumer) and really slop-shoddy construction.
They copied a poor design and made it worse.


As cheap as these starters are built. Mercruiser is probably paying
the swami's as little as $19.99 on like a 30,000 piece contract.

"Hey! It made IT's warrenty, wadda you griping about, eh"

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