"President Obama struggled to explain today whether his health care
reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that
wealthier, more powerful people — like the president himself —
wouldn’t face."

"Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to
promise that he wouldn’t seek such extraordinary help for his wife or
daughters if they became sick and the public plan he’s proposing
limited the tests or treatment they can get.

The president refused to make such a pledge, though he allowed that if
“it’s my family member, if it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s
my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.["]

ObamaCare for thee, but not for me?

What a hypocrite.

Oh - by the way - did y'all know that Federal and State employees will
have their own seperate insurance plans under ObamaCare? That will
include low co-pays, full pharm/doc/dental/major medical coverage and
exemption from having to be part of ObamaCare?

Think about that for a while.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:11:41 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

"President Obama struggled to explain today whether his health care
reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that
wealthier, more powerful people — like the president himself —
wouldn’t face."

"Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to
promise that he wouldn’t seek such extraordinary help for his wife or
daughters if they became sick and the public plan he’s proposing
limited the tests or treatment they can get.

The president refused to make such a pledge, though he allowed that if
“it’s my family member, if it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s
my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.["]

ObamaCare for thee, but not for me?

What a hypocrite.

Oh - by the way - did y'all know that Federal and State employees will
have their own seperate insurance plans under ObamaCare? That will
include low co-pays, full pharm/doc/dental/major medical coverage and
exemption from having to be part of ObamaCare?

Think about that for a while.

He

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5VPCtxh7ow

Note the 'waffling' by Obama. Did he ever answer the question?
--
John H

"HONK - if I'm paying your mortgage!"

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
"President Obama struggled to explain today whether his health care
reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that
wealthier, more powerful people — like the president himself —
wouldn’t face."

"Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to
promise that he wouldn’t seek such extraordinary help for his wife or
daughters if they became sick and the public plan he’s proposing
limited the tests or treatment they can get.

The president refused to make such a pledge, though he allowed that if
“it’s my family member, if it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s
my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.["]

ObamaCare for thee, but not for me?

What a hypocrite.

Oh - by the way - did y'all know that Federal and State employees will
have their own seperate insurance plans under ObamaCare? That will
include low co-pays, full pharm/doc/dental/major medical coverage and
exemption from having to be part of ObamaCare?

Think about that for a while.


You and the rest of the Elmer Gantry-ites seem completely misinformed on
this issue.

First, it is uncertain there will be a "public plan," if by that you
mean a health insurance plan offered directly by the federal government.

Second, if there is a public plan, its details are unknown.

Third, if there is a public plan, no one will be forced into it.

Fourth, federal employees already have a separate health insurance plan
that includes low co-pays, and pretty complete coverage. It's been
around for decades. Lots of insurance companies participate it it. Your
new-found buddy here, Herring, the guy you told me on the phone was the
worst poster in rec.boats, is a participant.

Perhaps you should write about Husqvarna tractors...another subject
about which you know next to nothing.

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
"President Obama struggled to explain today whether his health care
reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that
wealthier, more powerful people ? like the president himself ?
wouldn?t face."

"Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to
promise that he wouldn?t seek such extraordinary help for his wife or
daughters if they became sick and the public plan he?s proposing
limited the tests or treatment they can get.

The president refused to make such a pledge, though he allowed that if
?it?s my family member, if it?s my wife, if it?s my children, if it?s
my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.["]

ObamaCare for thee, but not for me?

What a hypocrite.

Oh - by the way - did y'all know that Federal and State employees will
have their own seperate insurance plans under ObamaCare? That will
include low co-pays, full pharm/doc/dental/major medical coverage and
exemption from having to be part of ObamaCare?

Think about that for a while.
This is socialism or communism.
Surrendering your life, however tenuous should not be determined or
mandated by the State.
This is not dollars and cents. This is control by government.
They are trying to spend our money for us now they want to dictate life
and death.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:13:58 -0400, nada wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
"President Obama struggled to explain today whether his health care
reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that
wealthier, more powerful people ? like the president himself ?
wouldn?t face."

"Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to
promise that he wouldn?t seek such extraordinary help for his wife or
daughters if they became sick and the public plan he?s proposing
limited the tests or treatment they can get.

The president refused to make such a pledge, though he allowed that if
?it?s my family member, if it?s my wife, if it?s my children, if it?s
my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.["]

ObamaCare for thee, but not for me?

What a hypocrite.

Oh - by the way - did y'all know that Federal and State employees will
have their own seperate insurance plans under ObamaCare? That will
include low co-pays, full pharm/doc/dental/major medical coverage and
exemption from having to be part of ObamaCare?

Think about that for a while.
This is socialism or communism.
Surrendering your life, however tenuous should not be determined or
mandated by the State.
This is not dollars and cents. This is control by government.
They are trying to spend our money for us now they want to dictate life
and death.

Do you realize we live in a social democracy?

Are you sure a social democracy is the type of country in which you
want to live?

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...

"President Obama struggled to explain today whether his health care
reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that
wealthier, more powerful people - like the president himself -
wouldn't face."

Obama shoots his mouth off too much and says so little. Of course it is
going to cost all Americans. Businesses will drop health care, workers will
pick it up on their income tax bill without a raise. Workers get screwed.
Think about this for a minute. After syphoning a trillion or more to
private businesses, now health care...

Count on your taxes going nuts. Maybe even a load of new federal sales and
import taxes. And a national alcohol excise tax. If it is anything like
Canada and the UK, that next Jim Bean with be $50/bottle or more. Gasoline
will be $6/gallon or more.

"Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to
promise that he wouldn't seek such extraordinary help for his wife or
daughters if they became sick and the public plan he's proposing
limited the tests or treatment they can get.

Bull****. In Canada regional health boards ration care. Politicial favors
abound.

The president refused to make such a pledge, though he allowed that if
"it's my family member, if it's my wife, if it's my children, if it's
my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.["]

At least he was honest.

ObamaCare for thee, but not for me?

Yep, it is going to be an Obama-nation for sure.

What a hypocrite.

You don't have to be white to be a hypocrite.

Oh - by the way - did y'all know that Federal and State employees will
have their own seperate insurance plans under ObamaCare? That will
include low co-pays, full pharm/doc/dental/major medical coverage and
exemption from having to be part of ObamaCare?

Think about that for a while.

I already know the USA is going to go to hell in a handbasket over this.
Totally WRONG approach. And I am one of the few that can claim to have
LIVED under the USA, UK and Canadian systems. Obama is going to botch this
so bad....

"HK" wrote in message
m...

Third, if there is a public plan, no one will be forced into it.

But they will be forced to pay for it.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:24:55 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .

"President Obama struggled to explain today whether his health care
reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that
wealthier, more powerful people - like the president himself -
wouldn't face."

Obama shoots his mouth off too much and says so little. Of course it is
going to cost all Americans. Businesses will drop health care, workers will
pick it up on their income tax bill without a raise. Workers get screwed.
Think about this for a minute. After syphoning a trillion or more to
private businesses, now health care...

Count on your taxes going nuts. Maybe even a load of new federal sales and
import taxes. And a national alcohol excise tax. If it is anything like
Canada and the UK, that next Jim Bean with be $50/bottle or more. Gasoline
will be $6/gallon or more.

"Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to
promise that he wouldn't seek such extraordinary help for his wife or
daughters if they became sick and the public plan he's proposing
limited the tests or treatment they can get.

Bull****. In Canada regional health boards ration care. Politicial favors
abound.

The president refused to make such a pledge, though he allowed that if
"it's my family member, if it's my wife, if it's my children, if it's
my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.["]

At least he was honest.

ObamaCare for thee, but not for me?

Yep, it is going to be an Obama-nation for sure.

What a hypocrite.

You don't have to be white to be a hypocrite.

Oh - by the way - did y'all know that Federal and State employees will
have their own seperate insurance plans under ObamaCare? That will
include low co-pays, full pharm/doc/dental/major medical coverage and
exemption from having to be part of ObamaCare?

Think about that for a while.

I already know the USA is going to go to hell in a handbasket over this.
Totally WRONG approach. And I am one of the few that can claim to have
LIVED under the USA, UK and Canadian systems. Obama is going to botch this
so bad....


Jesus H. Christ. Where were you when Bush was running the country
into the ground?

Were you posting under a different handle?

God forbid we should do something for our own people.

Un-****in'-believable.

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:51:09 -0400, HK wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
"President Obama struggled to explain today whether his health care
reform proposals would force normal Americans to make sacrifices that
wealthier, more powerful people — like the president himself —
wouldn’t face."

"Devinsky asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to
promise that he wouldn’t seek such extraordinary help for his wife or
daughters if they became sick and the public plan he’s proposing
limited the tests or treatment they can get.

The president refused to make such a pledge, though he allowed that if
“it’s my family member, if it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s
my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.["]

ObamaCare for thee, but not for me?

What a hypocrite.

Oh - by the way - did y'all know that Federal and State employees will
have their own seperate insurance plans under ObamaCare? That will
include low co-pays, full pharm/doc/dental/major medical coverage and
exemption from having to be part of ObamaCare?

Think about that for a while.


You and the rest of the Elmer Gantry-ites seem completely misinformed on
this issue.

First, it is uncertain there will be a "public plan," if by that you
mean a health insurance plan offered directly by the federal government.

Second, if there is a public plan, its details are unknown.

Third, if there is a public plan, no one will be forced into it.

Fourth, federal employees already have a separate health insurance plan
that includes low co-pays, and pretty complete coverage. It's been
around for decades. Lots of insurance companies participate it it. Your
new-found buddy here, Herring, the guy you told me on the phone was the
worst poster in rec.boats, is a participant.

Perhaps you should write about Husqvarna tractors...another subject
about which you know next to nothing.

Oh, man! Now my heart is truly broken. I'll bet you even believed Tom,
right?

And no, Harry, I'm not a participant in your separate health insurance
plan with lots of insurance companies.

There, you've gotten my monthly response to your stupidities.
--
John H

"HONK - if I'm paying your mortgage!"

On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 05:59:55 -0400, John H
wrote:

You and the rest of the Elmer Gantry-ites seem completely misinformed on
this issue.

No I'm not Bone Head because I've actually looked through the material
- unlike you.

I really hate to say this, but you are quite possibly the dumbest,
most ill-informed example of liberal philosophy to ever grace the
innertubes. I thought those morons on Kos were stupid - you're light
years beyond them in crass, brainless drooling.

As a matter of fact, I might put you right up at the top of the list
as "Dumbest Possibly Drunkest Most Addled Ill Informed and Incompetent
Internet Contributor Ever" if it weren't for the fact that your thread
chat buddy jps leads the list - albeit in a different category.

Look - I'm there for you - anytime you want help with your abuse
problem or want a referral to a good psychiatrist, I'm sure my
daughter would be glad to refer you to the best. Considering your
dire financial straits (I mean you can't be making that much money,
you spend all your time on rec.boats), I'm sure she could swing a
charity referral for you - top shelf too - only the best for my
friends.

Well, you aren't really my friend - more like a pimple on a hemorrhoid
in a infected fissure (ok, I know it's early - I'll translate for you
- it's a lengthy way of saying Pain In The Ass), but I do what I can
for the less fortunate and if there is anybody posting on this
newsgroup that is less fortunate in many areas of interpersonal
communications complicated by over arching psychiatric "issues", it's
you.

Ah - good deed done for the day.

Upwards and onwards.