Fun morning
 

I had a security (alarm) system installed yesterday. The sales guy had
visited last week and although he talked my ear off about things I had no
interest in, we successfully entered into a contract and scheduled the
installation.

The installers did a great job. They took the time to explain how
everything works. Like most microprocessor based systems it is capable of
far more than I will ever need or want.
I like simple, so I asked the installers for the easiest way to arm and
disarm the system.
My shop is so small I don't even need the option of "away" and "stay" modes.

They said the easiest way is to simply punch in my code when I leave. After
a 60 second delay the system becomes fully armed. When I want to re-enter,
just enter and punch the code in within a certain time frame to disable.
Simple enough.

This morning the sales dude shows up again to "inspect" the installer's
work. This guy is a classic sales type. Talks too much and doesn't know
what he's talking about. He wanted to sit and go over all the programming
features and options on the system. I politely told him I really had no
need for them and was very satisfied with the simple procedure that the
installers described (and demonstrated).

He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

He continued. I was slowly losing patience. I described the very simple
and basic procedure the installers showed me. The sales dude said they
were wrong. It wouldn't arm the motion sensors, according to him.

Now I am starting to get a little fired up. I explained again for the
third time that we demonstrated it while the installers were there. We all
stayed in the building, I armed the system by entering my code and, after
the delay the system armed. As soon as one of us moved, the alarm went
off, sensed by the motion sensors.

The sales guy said it can't be. You *have* to select one of the modes. I
said, "no you don't".
He tried again to instruct me on all the features.

By this time I had lost it. I told him he talked too much and doesn't
*listen* to what is being said.
He replied with, "Richard, I am a security expert".

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.

After I calmed down I called the security company (ADT) for technical
assistance. They confirmed that the procedure I was using worked fine. I
mentioned that the sales guy says it won't.
She said to listen and do what the installers said and that the sales types
really don't always know what they are talking about.

I thanked her and told her if she sees a nervous sales type in a BMW arrive
at the office, be kind because I just threw him out of my shop. She
laughed like hell and said, "GOOD!"

Eisboch

Fun morning
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

Heh. I've had a couple salesmen I've had to almost physically remove
from my house.
Sort of fun actually. Gets the blood flowing.
Strange thing is, these types do a lot of sales.

--Vic

Fun morning
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I
didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

Heh. I've had a couple salesmen I've had to almost physically remove
from my house.
Sort of fun actually. Gets the blood flowing.
Strange thing is, these types do a lot of sales.

--Vic



I knew I was in trouble last week when he came in the first time.
Motormouth.
Had no interest in what *I* wanted .... only what he sold.

Another issue came up during this morning's visit. My only concern about
the system is that by default they program a 45 second entry delay on the
front door. Purpose is to allow you to open the door, enter your code and
disable the system. Typical home or business setup.

Only problem is that my shop is so small that in 45 seconds I could walk
away with almost half the guitars hanging on the wall. I timed it. 45
seconds is a long time.

I asked if that time could be shortened to 10 or 15 seconds. He said "No.
45 seconds is required by law."

I said, "That sorta defeats the whole purpose of the alarm system. In 45
seconds I could remove half of what's in here."

He insisted. The Law.

When I called the tech support later I asked about this. She said the
default is 45 seconds however I could request it be shortened to as little
as 10 seconds by filing a request. No charge.
They can even make it no delay and you use an FOB key to remotely disarm it
before opening the door.

Eisboch

Fun morning
 

Eisboch wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the
options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I
didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

Heh. I've had a couple salesmen I've had to almost physically remove
from my house.
Sort of fun actually. Gets the blood flowing.
Strange thing is, these types do a lot of sales.

--Vic



I knew I was in trouble last week when he came in the first time.
Motormouth.
Had no interest in what *I* wanted .... only what he sold.

Another issue came up during this morning's visit. My only concern
about the system is that by default they program a 45 second entry delay
on the front door. Purpose is to allow you to open the door, enter your
code and disable the system. Typical home or business setup.

Only problem is that my shop is so small that in 45 seconds I could walk
away with almost half the guitars hanging on the wall. I timed it. 45
seconds is a long time.

I asked if that time could be shortened to 10 or 15 seconds. He said
"No. 45 seconds is required by law."

I said, "That sorta defeats the whole purpose of the alarm system. In
45 seconds I could remove half of what's in here."

He insisted. The Law.

When I called the tech support later I asked about this. She said the
default is 45 seconds however I could request it be shortened to as
little as 10 seconds by filing a request. No charge.
They can even make it no delay and you use an FOB key to remotely disarm
it before opening the door.

Eisboch



I'm sorry life is so difficult for you.

Fun morning
 

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the
options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I
didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

Heh. I've had a couple salesmen I've had to almost physically remove
from my house.
Sort of fun actually. Gets the blood flowing.
Strange thing is, these types do a lot of sales.

--Vic



I knew I was in trouble last week when he came in the first time.
Motormouth.
Had no interest in what *I* wanted .... only what he sold.

Another issue came up during this morning's visit. My only concern
about the system is that by default they program a 45 second entry
delay on the front door. Purpose is to allow you to open the door,
enter your code and disable the system. Typical home or business setup.

Only problem is that my shop is so small that in 45 seconds I could
walk away with almost half the guitars hanging on the wall. I timed
it. 45 seconds is a long time.

I asked if that time could be shortened to 10 or 15 seconds. He said
"No. 45 seconds is required by law."

I said, "That sorta defeats the whole purpose of the alarm system. In
45 seconds I could remove half of what's in here."

He insisted. The Law.

When I called the tech support later I asked about this. She said the
default is 45 seconds however I could request it be shortened to as
little as 10 seconds by filing a request. No charge.
They can even make it no delay and you use an FOB key to remotely
disarm it before opening the door.

Eisboch



I'm sorry life is so difficult for you.

Why so much vitriol today Krausie. Do you feel you have been unjustly
abused, lately?

Fun morning
 

On Jun 25, 1:47*pm, Jim2424242 wrote:
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

He wouldn't give up. * Kept insisting that he show me all the
options. * I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) *that I
didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. *Don't need them.

Heh. *I've had a couple salesmen I've had to almost physically remove
from my house.
Sort of fun actually. *Gets the blood flowing.
Strange thing is, these types do a lot of sales.

--Vic

I knew I was in trouble last week when he came in the first time.
Motormouth.
Had no interest in what *I* wanted .... only what he sold.

Another issue came up during this morning's visit. * My only concern
about the system is that by default they program a 45 second entry
delay on the front door. *Purpose is to allow you to open the door,
enter your code and disable the system. *Typical home or business setup.

Only problem is that my shop is so small that in 45 seconds I could
walk away with almost half the guitars hanging on the wall. * I timed
it. *45 seconds is a long time.

I asked if that time could be shortened to 10 or 15 seconds. * He said
"No. 45 seconds is required by law."

I said, "That sorta defeats the whole purpose of the alarm system. *In
45 seconds I could remove half of what's in here."

He insisted. *The Law.

When I called the tech support later I asked about this. *She said the
default is 45 seconds however I could request it be shortened to as
little as 10 seconds by filing a request. *No charge.
They can even make it no delay and you use an FOB key to remotely
disarm it before opening the door.

Eisboch

I'm sorry life is so difficult for you.

Why so much vitriol today Krausie. Do you feel you have been unjustly
abused, lately?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And I'm sorry for Harry that his life is so pathetic that he has to
lie about every aspect of it. Can you say "lobsta boat"?!

Fun morning
 

"Jim2424242" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:


I'm sorry life is so difficult for you.

Why so much vitriol today Krausie. Do you feel you have been unjustly
abused, lately?


Krausie hasn't aged well, sad to say. 12-14 years ago you could have a
reasonable discussion and although not in agreement, it was accomplished
without any mean spiritedness from either side, even with a few friendly
zingers thrown in once in a while.

He's slowly evolved into a crotchety, narrow minded old man. Whatever
existed as a sense of humor is long lost. Seen it many times as others
age. Lacking patience to respectfully debate or display any respect for
others, the typical response now is a personal insult or other demeaning
statement if you don't agree with or bow down to him.

Cracks me up. Predictable, but sad to see.

He'll now come back with the standard, "This isn't a boating newsgroup
anymore" or blame everything on a half dozen "right wing" conservatives.
Might even toss a bit of blame on GWB, just for good measure, along with
anyone who acknowledges a religious faith.

Eisboch

Fun morning
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Jim2424242" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:


I'm sorry life is so difficult for you.

Why so much vitriol today Krausie. Do you feel you have been unjustly
abused, lately?


Krausie hasn't aged well, sad to say. 12-14 years ago you could have a
reasonable discussion and although not in agreement, it was accomplished
without any mean spiritedness from either side, even with a few friendly
zingers thrown in once in a while.

He's slowly evolved into a crotchety, narrow minded old man. Whatever
existed as a sense of humor is long lost. Seen it many times as others
age. Lacking patience to respectfully debate or display any respect for
others, the typical response now is a personal insult or other demeaning
statement if you don't agree with or bow down to him.

Cracks me up. Predictable, but sad to see.

He'll now come back with the standard, "This isn't a boating newsgroup
anymore" or blame everything on a half dozen "right wing" conservatives.
Might even toss a bit of blame on GWB, just for good measure, along with
anyone who acknowledges a religious faith.

Eisboch

You have him pegged to a tee. Too bad. Several years ago, I thought highly
of his insights, and even agreed with him on occasion. Then he moved from
Florida to lala land on the Potomac or Chesapeake, and turned downright
mean. Really sad to see. He is a lot like my mother-in-law now - one violent
outburst from the Alzheimer's wing at the nursing home.

Fun morning
 

Eisboch wrote:

"Jim2424242" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:


I'm sorry life is so difficult for you.

Why so much vitriol today Krausie. Do you feel you have been unjustly
abused, lately?


Krausie hasn't aged well, sad to say. 12-14 years ago you could have a
reasonable discussion and although not in agreement, it was accomplished
without any mean spiritedness from either side, even with a few friendly
zingers thrown in once in a while.

He's slowly evolved into a crotchety, narrow minded old man. Whatever
existed as a sense of humor is long lost. Seen it many times as others
age. Lacking patience to respectfully debate or display any respect for
others, the typical response now is a personal insult or other demeaning
statement if you don't agree with or bow down to him.

Cracks me up. Predictable, but sad to see.

He'll now come back with the standard, "This isn't a boating newsgroup
anymore" or blame everything on a half dozen "right wing"
conservatives. Might even toss a bit of blame on GWB, just for good
measure, along with anyone who acknowledges a religious faith.

Eisboch


You're projecting. I'm not the one having problems with service
personnel and then blowing my stack. You are.

Fun morning
 

Eisboch wrote:
I had a security (alarm) system installed yesterday. The sales guy had
visited last week and although he talked my ear off about things I had
no interest in, we successfully entered into a contract and scheduled
the installation.

The installers did a great job. They took the time to explain how
everything works. Like most microprocessor based systems it is capable
of far more than I will ever need or want.
I like simple, so I asked the installers for the easiest way to arm and
disarm the system.
My shop is so small I don't even need the option of "away" and "stay"
modes.

They said the easiest way is to simply punch in my code when I leave.
After a 60 second delay the system becomes fully armed. When I want to
re-enter, just enter and punch the code in within a certain time frame
to disable. Simple enough.

This morning the sales dude shows up again to "inspect" the installer's
work. This guy is a classic sales type. Talks too much and doesn't
know what he's talking about. He wanted to sit and go over all the
programming features and options on the system. I politely told him I
really had no need for them and was very satisfied with the simple
procedure that the installers described (and demonstrated).

He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options.
I kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I
didn't need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

He continued. I was slowly losing patience. I described the very
simple and basic procedure the installers showed me. The sales dude
said they were wrong. It wouldn't arm the motion sensors, according to
him.

Now I am starting to get a little fired up. I explained again for the
third time that we demonstrated it while the installers were there. We
all stayed in the building, I armed the system by entering my code and,
after the delay the system armed. As soon as one of us moved, the
alarm went off, sensed by the motion sensors.

The sales guy said it can't be. You *have* to select one of the
modes. I said, "no you don't".
He tried again to instruct me on all the features.

By this time I had lost it. I told him he talked too much and doesn't
*listen* to what is being said.
He replied with, "Richard, I am a security expert".

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out
of here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from
behind the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat
feet out the door, got in his BMW and drove off.

After I calmed down I called the security company (ADT) for technical
assistance. They confirmed that the procedure I was using worked
fine. I mentioned that the sales guy says it won't.
She said to listen and do what the installers said and that the sales
types really don't always know what they are talking about.

I thanked her and told her if she sees a nervous sales type in a BMW
arrive at the office, be kind because I just threw him out of my shop.
She laughed like hell and said, "GOOD!"

Eisboch




On Tuesday, our new refrigerator was delivered and installed. The two
guys handling the delivery showed up exactly on time. They had
deliveries all over southern Maryland, having started out the morning in
North Carolina.

The refrigerator was unboxed on the front walk. The lead guy took some
measurements, and decided he could use the extra room he'd get by
unhinging the front door and the screen door.

The guys carried the refrigerator in, carried it over the wood floors,
and set it down on the tile floor in the kitchen.

The second guy removed all the tape on the inside, wiped down the
refrigerator, even though it had just come out of a box, and then hooked
up the water line and electric line.

As soon as he was finished, the guys rolled the new refrigerator into
its cubby, and the lead guy leveled it and then made sure all the
functions were working properly, and there was no damage anywhere.

Then he and his helper reinstalled the two doors and left.

Great guys, and I told them so. I gave each one a $20 and my thanks.

An hour later, their supervisor called to see what sort of job they did.
I told them that on a scale of 10, they rated a 10.

This morning, I got a call from my local Husqvarna dealer, telling me a
part I had ordered arrived. I drove over to pick it up. Went up to the
counter, the nice lady there asked my name, and she went to the
storeroom to get the part. She opened up the packed, checked the
contents against the call-out sheet in her parts book, and said "a
washer was missing." So, she went to the shop and came back with a
couple of washers.

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.

Fun morning
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.

Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

Maybe you should take breathing lessons from Yogi and Boo Boo (Tom and
The Freak).

Fun morning
 

jps wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.

Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

Maybe you should take breathing lessons from Yogi and Boo Boo (Tom and
The Freak).


Well, the freak is the freak, and is more or less the co-performing
seal, along with his buddies loogie and herring.

Tom reminds me of one of those yahoos at the playground basketball court
who takes his ball and leaves if anyone questions him about anything,
especially after he goes overboard on something he believes or thinks he
read...somewhere.

I wonder if that's something they teach in ... the marines.

Fun morning
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Krausie hasn't aged well, sad to say. 12-14 years ago you could have a
reasonable discussion and although not in agreement, it was accomplished
without any mean spiritedness from either side, even with a few friendly
zingers thrown in once in a while.

He's slowly evolved into a crotchety, narrow minded old man. Whatever
existed as a sense of humor is long lost. Seen it many times as others
age. Lacking patience to respectfully debate or display any respect for
others, the typical response now is a personal insult or other demeaning
statement if you don't agree with or bow down to him.

Cracks me up. Predictable, but sad to see.

I sort of trace the start of his decline to Skipper's demise. Skipper
used to keep Harry constantly on the defensive with his wit and cheap
shots, and people could almost empathize with Harry because of it.
Once that situation was gone, Harry's inherent hostility had to change
from Skipper, Bayliners and Derby, Kansas and find new outlets.

Of course we are making a mistake having a public discussion about it
because Harry's ego feeds on all attention, even the negative. Better
to let his low self esteem go right out the low transom.

Fun morning
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:19:11 -0400, HK wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.

Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

Maybe you should take breathing lessons from Yogi and Boo Boo (Tom and
The Freak).


Well, the freak is the freak, and is more or less the co-performing
seal, along with his buddies loogie and herring.

Tom reminds me of one of those yahoos at the playground basketball court
who takes his ball and leaves if anyone questions him about anything,
especially after he goes overboard on something he believes or thinks he
read...somewhere.

I wonder if that's something they teach in ... the marines.

According to my father, that's not taught in the Marines.

Fun morning
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:41 -0400, HK wrote:

(Interesting journal snipped)

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.

I don't get it. Eisboch had an asshole to deal with, not the guys you
had.
You never got hot dealing with a saleman?

--Vic

Fun morning
 

jps wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:19:11 -0400, HK wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.
I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.
Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

Maybe you should take breathing lessons from Yogi and Boo Boo (Tom and
The Freak).

Well, the freak is the freak, and is more or less the co-performing
seal, along with his buddies loogie and herring.

Tom reminds me of one of those yahoos at the playground basketball court
who takes his ball and leaves if anyone questions him about anything,
especially after he goes overboard on something he believes or thinks he
read...somewhere.

I wonder if that's something they teach in ... the marines.

According to my father, that's not taught in the Marines.


Well, that's a start.

Fun morning
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:41 -0400, HK wrote:

(Interesting journal snipped)
Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.

I don't get it. Eisboch had an asshole to deal with, not the guys you
had.
You never got hot dealing with a saleman?

--Vic



It's easy to shut down an overeager salesperson without losing one's cool.

Fun morning
 

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:11:11 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.

Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

What fun would that be? Though it's happened only twice to me, those
2 salesmen didn't understand anything except the threat of physical
removal. Besides, they were so obnoxious that's what they fully
deserved.
One of my favorite lines is from Unforgiven, where the kid says to
Eastwood, about the cowboys they killed, "They had it coming, didn't
they?"
He replied "We all got it coming, kid."
Aside from deeper meanings, that's always true for some salesmen.
What, nobody makes you mad? Sure as hell don't get that impression
here.

--Vic

Fun morning
 

Eisboch wrote:

"Jim2424242" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:


I'm sorry life is so difficult for you.

Why so much vitriol today Krausie. Do you feel you have been unjustly
abused, lately?


Krausie hasn't aged well, sad to say. 12-14 years ago you could have a
reasonable discussion and although not in agreement, it was accomplished
without any mean spiritedness from either side, even with a few friendly
zingers thrown in once in a while.

He's slowly evolved into a crotchety, narrow minded old man. Whatever
existed as a sense of humor is long lost. Seen it many times as others
age. Lacking patience to respectfully debate or display any respect for
others, the typical response now is a personal insult or other demeaning
statement if you don't agree with or bow down to him.

Cracks me up. Predictable, but sad to see.

He'll now come back with the standard, "This isn't a boating newsgroup
anymore" or blame everything on a half dozen "right wing"
conservatives. Might even toss a bit of blame on GWB, just for good
measure, along with anyone who acknowledges a religious faith.

Eisboch

Yup!

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HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
I had a security (alarm) system installed yesterday. The sales guy
had visited last week and although he talked my ear off about things I
had no interest in, we successfully entered into a contract and
scheduled the installation.

The installers did a great job. They took the time to explain how
everything works. Like most microprocessor based systems it is
capable of far more than I will ever need or want.
I like simple, so I asked the installers for the easiest way to arm
and disarm the system.
My shop is so small I don't even need the option of "away" and "stay"
modes.

They said the easiest way is to simply punch in my code when I leave.
After a 60 second delay the system becomes fully armed. When I want
to re-enter, just enter and punch the code in within a certain time
frame to disable. Simple enough.

This morning the sales dude shows up again to "inspect" the
installer's work. This guy is a classic sales type. Talks too much
and doesn't know what he's talking about. He wanted to sit and go
over all the programming features and options on the system. I
politely told him I really had no need for them and was very satisfied
with the simple procedure that the installers described (and
demonstrated).

He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the
options. I kept trying to explain (during his short moments of
silence) that I didn't need or want to learn about all the feature.
Don't need them.

He continued. I was slowly losing patience. I described the very
simple and basic procedure the installers showed me. The sales dude
said they were wrong. It wouldn't arm the motion sensors, according
to him.

Now I am starting to get a little fired up. I explained again for
the third time that we demonstrated it while the installers were
there. We all stayed in the building, I armed the system by entering
my code and, after the delay the system armed. As soon as one of us
moved, the alarm went off, sensed by the motion sensors.

The sales guy said it can't be. You *have* to select one of the
modes. I said, "no you don't".
He tried again to instruct me on all the features.

By this time I had lost it. I told him he talked too much and
doesn't *listen* to what is being said.
He replied with, "Richard, I am a security expert".

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get
out of here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from
behind the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat
feet out the door, got in his BMW and drove off.

After I calmed down I called the security company (ADT) for technical
assistance. They confirmed that the procedure I was using worked
fine. I mentioned that the sales guy says it won't.
She said to listen and do what the installers said and that the sales
types really don't always know what they are talking about.

I thanked her and told her if she sees a nervous sales type in a BMW
arrive at the office, be kind because I just threw him out of my
shop. She laughed like hell and said, "GOOD!"

Eisboch




On Tuesday, our new refrigerator was delivered and installed. The two
guys handling the delivery showed up exactly on time. They had
deliveries all over southern Maryland, having started out the morning in
North Carolina.

The refrigerator was unboxed on the front walk. The lead guy took some
measurements, and decided he could use the extra room he'd get by
unhinging the front door and the screen door.

The guys carried the refrigerator in, carried it over the wood floors,
and set it down on the tile floor in the kitchen.

The second guy removed all the tape on the inside, wiped down the
refrigerator, even though it had just come out of a box, and then hooked
up the water line and electric line.

As soon as he was finished, the guys rolled the new refrigerator into
its cubby, and the lead guy leveled it and then made sure all the
functions were working properly, and there was no damage anywhere.

Then he and his helper reinstalled the two doors and left.

Great guys, and I told them so. I gave each one a $20 and my thanks.

An hour later, their supervisor called to see what sort of job they did.
I told them that on a scale of 10, they rated a 10.

This morning, I got a call from my local Husqvarna dealer, telling me a
part I had ordered arrived. I drove over to pick it up. Went up to the
counter, the nice lady there asked my name, and she went to the
storeroom to get the part. She opened up the packed, checked the
contents against the call-out sheet in her parts book, and said "a
washer was missing." So, she went to the shop and came back with a
couple of washers.

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.


You're just having a special day aren't you, so why so grouchy?

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

I sort of trace the start of his decline to *Skipper's demise*. Skipper
used to keep Harry constantly on the defensive with his wit and cheap
shots, and people could almost empathize with Harry because of it.
Once that situation was gone, Harry's inherent hostility had to change
from Skipper, Bayliners and Derby, Kansas and find new outlets.

snip..


Say what... "Skipper's demise" ???
Are you saying he's passed on or just left the group.

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:41 -0400, HK wrote:

(Interesting journal snipped)
Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.

I don't get it. Eisboch had an asshole to deal with, not the guys you
had.
You never got hot dealing with a saleman?

--Vic

Harry would have just blown the guys head off. He duznt tak no sht frm
no budy.

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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Jim2424242" wrote in message
...

HK wrote:


I'm sorry life is so difficult for you.

Why so much vitriol today Krausie. Do you feel you have been unjustly
abused, lately?


Krausie hasn't aged well, sad to say. 12-14 years ago you could have a
reasonable discussion and although not in agreement, it was accomplished
without any mean spiritedness from either side, even with a few friendly
zingers thrown in once in a while.

He's slowly evolved into a crotchety, narrow minded old man. Whatever
existed as a sense of humor is long lost. Seen it many times as others
age. Lacking patience to respectfully debate or display any respect for
others, the typical response now is a personal insult or other demeaning
statement if you don't agree with or bow down to him.

I don't know what he's said to other people here - I've only heard the
stories and I can't speak to any of them personally, but there seems
to be enough proof via the old timers in the group about this or that
Harry story or exaggeration. I know in two cases where he's sent me
emails off line "explaining" some comment, I know better if only
because I know the people involved in the story - ask a few close
questions and it's suddenly "Oh, well I..." and another story. It's
sad really.

I had thought at one time that Harry was an abuser - he shows a lot of
signs of it - the constant attempts to dominate, intimidate and
verbally harass people he feels have wronged him or those he disagrees
with are all signs of an abusive personality. Even when he's being
ignored, he's constantly injecting himself into the thread, making
comments, snide little remarks, the attempts to join the discussion
using material that he doesn't own - like the owl image or Parker
rendezvous or the attempts at illustrating his musical prowess - it's
really indicative of somebody who fully intends to monopolize the
discussions.

But I've changed my mind - he's just plain old mentally ill. Life has
passed him by, he's probably lonely as hell, drinks a little too much
and intends to make others as miserable as he feels.

And being the charitable type I am, I will refrain from poking fun at
him from here on out - you don't make fun of sick people.

Life goes on.

So, how about those Red Sox huh?

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Don White wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
I sort of trace the start of his decline to *Skipper's demise*. Skipper
used to keep Harry constantly on the defensive with his wit and cheap
shots, and people could almost empathize with Harry because of it.
Once that situation was gone, Harry's inherent hostility had to change
from Skipper, Bayliners and Derby, Kansas and find new outlets.

snip..


Say what... "Skipper's demise" ???
Are you saying he's passed on or just left the group.




I miss the old, semi-sharp-witted skippy, not the one that appeared here
in his last incarnation. Ol' Skippy could be witty; no one would accuse
D'whine here of that.

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On Jun 25, 3:10*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
I had a security (alarm) system installed yesterday. *The sales guy had
visited last week and although he talked my ear off about things I had
no interest in, we successfully entered into a contract and scheduled
the installation.

The installers did a great job. *They took the time to explain how
everything works. * Like most microprocessor based systems it is capable
of far more than I will ever need or want.
I like simple, so I asked the installers for the easiest way to arm and
disarm the system.
My shop is so small I don't even need the option of "away" and "stay"
modes.

They said the easiest way is to simply punch in my code when I leave. *
After a 60 second delay the system becomes fully armed. * When I want to
re-enter, just enter and punch the code in within a certain time frame
to disable. Simple enough.

This morning the sales dude shows up again to "inspect" the installer's
work. * This guy is a classic sales type. *Talks too much and doesn't
know what he's talking about. * He wanted to sit and go over all the
programming features and options on the system. * I politely told him I
really had no need for them and was very satisfied with the simple
procedure that the installers described (and demonstrated).

He wouldn't give up. * Kept insisting that he show me all the options.. *
I kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) *that I
didn't need or want to learn about all the feature. *Don't need them.

He continued. * I was slowly losing patience. * I described the very
simple and basic procedure the installers showed me. * The sales dude
said they were wrong. *It wouldn't arm the motion sensors, according to
him.

Now I am starting to get a little fired up. * I explained again for the
third time that we demonstrated it while the installers were there. * We
all stayed in the building, I armed the system by entering my code and,
after the delay the system armed. * As soon as one of us moved, the
alarm went off, sensed by the motion sensors.

The sales guy said it can't be. *You *have* to select one of the
modes. * I said, "no you don't".
He tried again to instruct me on all the features.

By this time I had lost it. * *I told him he talked too much and doesn't
*listen* to what is being said.
He replied with, "Richard, I am a security expert".

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. * Get out
of here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". * I got up from
behind the counter. *I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat
feet out the door, got in his BMW and drove off.

After I calmed down I called the security company (ADT) for technical
assistance. *They confirmed that the procedure I was using worked
fine. * I mentioned that the sales guy says it won't.
She said to listen and do what the installers said and that the sales
types really don't always know what they are talking about.

I thanked her and told her if she sees a nervous sales type in a BMW
arrive at the office, be kind because I just threw him out of my shop. *
She laughed like hell and said, "GOOD!"

Eisboch

On Tuesday, our new refrigerator was delivered and installed. The two
guys handling the delivery showed up exactly on time. They had
deliveries all over southern Maryland, having started out the morning in
North Carolina.

The refrigerator was unboxed on the front walk. The lead guy took some
measurements, and decided he could use the extra room he'd get by
unhinging the front door and the screen door.

The guys carried the refrigerator in, carried it over the wood floors,
and set it down on the tile floor in the kitchen.

The second guy removed all the tape on the inside, wiped down the
refrigerator, even though it had just come out of a box, and then hooked
up the water line and electric line.

As soon as he was finished, the guys rolled the new refrigerator into
its cubby, and the lead guy leveled it and then made sure all the
functions were working properly, and there was no damage anywhere.

Then he and his helper reinstalled the two doors and left.

Great guys, and I told them so. I gave each one a $20 and my thanks.

An hour later, their supervisor called to see what sort of job they did.
I told them that on a scale of 10, they rated a 10.

This morning, I got a call from my local Husqvarna dealer, telling me a
part I had ordered arrived. I drove over to pick it up. Went up to the
counter, the nice lady there asked my name, and she went to the
storeroom to get the part. She opened up the packed, checked the
contents against the call-out sheet in her parts book, and said "a
washer was missing." So, she went to the shop and came back with a
couple of washers.

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, what a bunch of bull****! Has anyone ever noticed that EVER single
time Harry has something done, he gets the best, hardest working,
polite, professional people there are? WAFA....

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Zombie of Woodstock wrote:


I don't know what he's said to other people here - I've only heard the
stories and I can't speak to any of them personally,




Heheh. You're quite the trip these days. How's usenet's ranking
non-expert on Husqie lawn tractors?

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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:40:58 -0400, Jim2424242
wrote:

You're just having a special day aren't you, so why so grouchy?

Special day for a "special" person.

Oh damn - I said I wasn't going to do that.

I'm sorry - please forgive me.

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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:33:46 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:11:11 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:33:01 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


He wouldn't give up. Kept insisting that he show me all the options. I
kept trying to explain (during his short moments of silence) that I didn't
need or want to learn about all the feature. Don't need them.

I've had the same problem with Republicans trying to sell me on
trickle down economics.

I responded with, "You are a pain in the ass and don't listen. Get out of
here; you are really starting to **** me off."

He tries again to yap about the system "features". I got up from behind
the counter. I think he saw the look in my eye because he beat feet out the
door, got in his BMW and drove off.

Wow. I have never had an experience like that.

Could you not just tell him you were late for a meeting and ushered
him out? You could have used the same tactic you used with the kid
who wanted to hang out playing guitar all day.

What fun would that be? Though it's happened only twice to me, those
2 salesmen didn't understand anything except the threat of physical
removal. Besides, they were so obnoxious that's what they fully
deserved.
One of my favorite lines is from Unforgiven, where the kid says to
Eastwood, about the cowboys they killed, "They had it coming, didn't
they?"
He replied "We all got it coming, kid."
Aside from deeper meanings, that's always true for some salesmen.
What, nobody makes you mad? Sure as hell don't get that impression
here.

--Vic

I'm passionate about politics, even with friends. But they know it's
just passion and not anger (unless you mention Bush or Cheney).

When dealing with a complete stranger, I make sure they know that I
don't have any more time for their rap and politely get them on their
way. It's easier to ease them into leaving than waiting until they
**** you off. Walking them to the door is an easy method.

Fun morning
 

Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:40:58 -0400, Jim2424242
wrote:

You're just having a special day aren't you, so why so grouchy?

Special day for a "special" person.

Oh damn - I said I wasn't going to do that.

I'm sorry - please forgive me.


Just how many meds do you take a day these days?

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"HK" wrote in message
m...


You're projecting. I'm not the one having problems with service personnel
and then blowing my stack. You are.


You are apparently going blind as well and can't read what I wrote.

I didn't have any problem with the service/installation personnel. They
were very good, efficient and knowledgeable regarding the product.

I had a big problem with the loud mouthed, egotistical, idiot of a salesman,
..

Probably sounds strange to you.

Eisboch

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"HK" wrote in message
...

This morning, I got a call from my local Husqvarna dealer, telling me a
part I had ordered arrived. I drove over to pick it up. Went up to the
counter, the nice lady there asked my name, and she went to the storeroom
to get the part. She opened up the packed, checked the contents against
the call-out sheet in her parts book, and said "a washer was missing." So,
she went to the shop and came back with a couple of washers.

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.



I'd accept your advise and criticism if I thought you read my post and
comprehended it.

Eisboch

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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:41 -0400, HK wrote:

(Interesting journal snipped)

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.

I don't get it. Eisboch had an asshole to deal with, not the guys you
had.
You never got hot dealing with a saleman?

--Vic


Harry doesn't like me anymore so he's in troll mode.
No big deal.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:21:22 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:05:32 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Krausie hasn't aged well, sad to say. 12-14 years ago you could have a
reasonable discussion and although not in agreement, it was accomplished
without any mean spiritedness from either side, even with a few friendly
zingers thrown in once in a while.

He's slowly evolved into a crotchety, narrow minded old man. Whatever
existed as a sense of humor is long lost. Seen it many times as others
age. Lacking patience to respectfully debate or display any respect for
others, the typical response now is a personal insult or other demeaning
statement if you don't agree with or bow down to him.

Cracks me up. Predictable, but sad to see.

I sort of trace the start of his decline to Skipper's demise. Skipper
used to keep Harry constantly on the defensive with his wit and cheap
shots, and people could almost empathize with Harry because of it.
Once that situation was gone, Harry's inherent hostility had to change
from Skipper, Bayliners and Derby, Kansas and find new outlets.

Of course we are making a mistake having a public discussion about it
because Harry's ego feeds on all attention, even the negative. Better
to let his low self esteem go right out the low transom.

While it's very true that negative attention seekers act in this
manner, I prefer to think of it as a giant intervention. Perhaps when
he gets hammered enough, it will leak through and he'll seek the
obvious help he so desperately needs.

We should be showing compassion and understanding for an obviously
very sick individual and provide counseling for him to access when he
has these fits of instability.

Know any good psychiatrists that will work for non-Union wages?

Oh - damn it - did it again.

I'm sorry - I said I wouldn't but I did. I can't help it - I'm very
concerned for a fellow human being in obvious distress.

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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

This morning, I got a call from my local Husqvarna dealer, telling me
a part I had ordered arrived. I drove over to pick it up. Went up to
the counter, the nice lady there asked my name, and she went to the
storeroom to get the part. She opened up the packed, checked the
contents against the call-out sheet in her parts book, and said "a
washer was missing." So, she went to the shop and came back with a
couple of washers.

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.



I'd accept your advise and criticism if I thought you read my post and
comprehended it.

Eisboch



I read your post. You had problems with a salesman.

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Eisboch wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:41 -0400, HK wrote:

(Interesting journal snipped)

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.

I don't get it. Eisboch had an asshole to deal with, not the guys you
had.
You never got hot dealing with a saleman?

--Vic


Harry doesn't like me anymore so he's in troll mode.
No big deal.

Eisboch


I don't like you any less. I just think you cannot tolerate my political
leanings. That doesn't trouble me at all.

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"jps" wrote in message
...


When dealing with a complete stranger, I make sure they know that I
don't have any more time for their rap and politely get them on their
way. It's easier to ease them into leaving than waiting until they
**** you off. Walking them to the door is an easy method.


sigh

He was not a complete stranger.
He wouldn't accept several polite "No's" for an answer.
He wouldn't stop talking long enough to listen.
He was insisting on pushing something on me that I repeatedly (and
professionally) informed him I didn't want.

Then I got tired of being polite.
Then he listened.

Eisboch

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...

Of course we are making a mistake having a public discussion about it
because Harry's ego feeds on all attention, even the negative. Better
to let his low self esteem go right out the low transom.

Good advice.

Eisboch

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Zombie of Woodstock wrote:

Know any good psychiatrists that will work for non-Union wages?

Oh - damn it - did it again.

I'm sorry - I said I wouldn't but I did. I can't help it - I'm very
concerned for a fellow human being in obvious distress.


Surely there are mental health practitioners in your part of the state
who can help with your obvious distress. Don't you have health
insurance? I'm sure you have some sort of coverage.

BTW, most (but not all) psychiatrists aren't really in the "therapy"
business anymore. They do initial interviews, arrange various medical
tests, prescribe and adjust meds, and consult with therapists in their
group or with outside therapists. Most psychotherapy these days is
provided by licensed psychiatric social workers, licensed mental health
counselors and, to a lesser degree, licensed psychologists.

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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 13:25:53 -0700, jps wrote:



When dealing with a complete stranger, I make sure they know that I
don't have any more time for their rap and politely get them on their
way. It's easier to ease them into leaving than waiting until they
**** you off. Walking them to the door is an easy method.

That's what I did. Walked them to the door. They were walking
backwards. Only way they would go. You never ran into these guys.
Consider yourself lucky.

--Vic

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On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:42:59 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Vic Smith" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 15:10:41 -0400, HK wrote:

(Interesting journal snipped)

Life is a lot easier when you're not a hothead, Eisboch.

I don't get it. Eisboch had an asshole to deal with, not the guys you
had.
You never got hot dealing with a saleman?

Harry doesn't like me anymore so he's in troll mode.
No big deal.

Expect some sophomoric reference to Argentina and strippers any time
in the near future.