On Jun 24, 7:10*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.

Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.
To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."
Well, screw that.
harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.
If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?
Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.
hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work.
And he's gone for a month?
Hmmm... my family has been gone for 20 years.
About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients,
and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense.

20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips.

One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis
of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion"
experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more
humanitarian philosophy happening than you may realize or wish to
acknowledge.

I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work
for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process
going on.




Tim, I simply do not agree with this statement of yours:

"Nobody is forced to do anything."


But I do not for a moment doubt your sincerity or the sincerity of your
beliefs.

On Jun 24, 8:12*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:10 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.
To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."
Well, screw that.
harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law *who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course *they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.
If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?
Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.
hey, I'm glad your dentist does some humanity work.
And he's gone for a month?
Hmmm... my family has been gone *for 20 years.
About two months every year. Free. That means no charge to the patients,
and no guilt trips in religion and no "thank jesus" nonsense.

20 years free. also no charge to patients and no guilt trips.

One thing I don't really think you understand Harry is that one basis
of Christianity is that you help others regardless of any "conversion"
experience. Nobody is forced to do anything. and there's more
humanitarian philosophy happening than you may *realize or wish to
acknowledge.

I just don't understand who s person or an organization can do work
for humanity and people think there's always a bargaining process
going on.

Tim, I simply do not agree with this statement of yours:

"Nobody is forced to do anything."

But I do not for a moment doubt your sincerity or the sincerity of your
beliefs.

Sounds like a line from a Richard Dawkins video. Especially at 1:36

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmHDiJHxEic

But thanks Harry. BTW, even though you didn't mention it, I thought
I'd add that I don't feel I'm "hallucinating" either.

But that's OK if you may happen to feel that way as well..