Trailer troubles....
 

So I'm on my way back from the lake, turn off the exit and begin to
stop - I hear this bang/thump from the back of the and the truck just
kind of lurched forward. I pulled over, stopped and got out to look
around.

Nothing on the road so I didn't kill anything human or animal. Stern
of the boat looks fine - nobody behind me and nothing fell off. Looked
the boat over, no holes in the hull, tire are fine, looked under the
truck, nothing there either.

Hmmm - oh well. Got back into the truck and started to the end of the
ramp - bang/thump, truck lurches again. WTH?

Got out look everything over, nope nothing. Hmmm - look up at the
front of the trailer and notice something dripping from the trailer
tongue - brake fluid. Oh oh.

Got back into the truck, pulled forward a little - bang/thump. Pulled
into the Wal Mart parking lot (more bang/thump), got out and
disconnected the trailer - I can move the actuator by hand. Open the
fluid resorvoir - not a drop - it's all dripping out the bottom. Ok -
got a problem. Locked out the actuator mechanically and got the
trailer hooked up and back home - no bang/thump but the damn trailer
and boat is heavy - 5,000 lbs and the truck takes time to slow the
load down.

Anyway, did the family thing, then took the tongue off the trailer and
much to my surprize..sure enough - theres my sign.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid.JPG

So I took the thing off the mount, but when I tried to take the brake
line off, the whole connector disintegrated into little flakes and I
was left with this.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid+line.JPG

Here's where it mounts.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Tongue%20mount.JPG

It looks like the actuator is ok, no rust or anything.

I guess I should have looked this over every year or so, but with just
under 14K miles on the trailer and it being ten years old with no
major issues other than disc and pad replacements (and one bad
caliper), it never occured to me to check the compnents inside the
tongue.

Lesson learned.

Now I gotta fund a brake release solenoid. And revamp the entire
system inside the trailer tongue system with rubber instead of steel.

Oy...

Trailer troubles....
 

On Jun 21, 7:39*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
So I'm on my way back from the lake, turn off the exit and begin to
stop - I hear this bang/thump from the back of the and the truck just
kind of lurched forward. *I pulled over, stopped and got out to look
around.

Nothing on the road so I didn't kill anything human or animal. Stern
of the boat looks fine - nobody behind me and nothing fell off. Looked
the boat over, no holes in the hull, tire are fine, looked under the
truck, nothing there either.

Hmmm - oh well. Got back into the truck and started to the end of the
ramp - bang/thump, truck lurches again. *WTH?

Got out look everything over, nope nothing. *Hmmm - look up at the
front of the trailer and notice something dripping from the trailer
tongue - brake fluid. *Oh oh.

Got back into the truck, pulled forward a little - bang/thump. Pulled
into the Wal Mart parking lot (more bang/thump), got out and
disconnected the trailer - I can move the actuator by hand. Open the
fluid resorvoir - not a drop - it's all dripping out the bottom. *Ok -
got a problem. *Locked out the actuator mechanically and got the
trailer hooked up and back home - no bang/thump but the damn trailer
and boat is heavy - 5,000 lbs and the truck takes time to slow the
load down.

Anyway, did the family thing, then took the tongue off the trailer and
much to my surprize..sure enough - theres my sign.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid.JPG

So I took the thing off the mount, but when I tried to take the brake
line off, the whole connector disintegrated into little flakes and I
was left with this.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid+line.JPG

Here's where it mounts.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Tongue%20mount.JPG

It looks like the actuator is ok, no rust or anything.

I guess I should have looked this over every year or so, but with just
under 14K miles on the trailer and it being ten years old with no
major issues other than disc and pad replacements (and one bad
caliper), it never occured to me to check the compnents inside the
tongue.

Lesson learned.

Now I gotta fund a brake release solenoid. *And revamp the entire
system inside the trailer tongue system with rubber instead of steel.

Oy...

I'm glad it never locked up, while in transit.

Trailer troubles....
 

Bang-thump is classic surge brake failure-as you found out. Since you
have it apart, after you replace the master cylinder, solonoid, and
brake lines in the tongue area, always store the trailer with a
waterproof cover (I use a rubber door mat) over the tongue. You might
look at the brake lines back to the wheels, theyr'e prolly worse than
you imagine. I had to overhaul the whole brake system on my Express
tandem trailer sfter 10 years; Totally rusted out. I used SS brake
lines.
JR

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:39:37 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

So I'm on my way back from the lake, turn off the exit and begin to
stop - I hear this bang/thump from the back of the and the truck just
kind of lurched forward. I pulled over, stopped and got out to look
around.

Nothing on the road so I didn't kill anything human or animal. Stern
of the boat looks fine - nobody behind me and nothing fell off. Looked
the boat over, no holes in the hull, tire are fine, looked under the
truck, nothing there either.

Hmmm - oh well. Got back into the truck and started to the end of the
ramp - bang/thump, truck lurches again. WTH?

Got out look everything over, nope nothing. Hmmm - look up at the
front of the trailer and notice something dripping from the trailer
tongue - brake fluid. Oh oh.

Got back into the truck, pulled forward a little - bang/thump. Pulled
into the Wal Mart parking lot (more bang/thump), got out and
disconnected the trailer - I can move the actuator by hand. Open the
fluid resorvoir - not a drop - it's all dripping out the bottom. Ok -
got a problem. Locked out the actuator mechanically and got the
trailer hooked up and back home - no bang/thump but the damn trailer
and boat is heavy - 5,000 lbs and the truck takes time to slow the
load down.

Anyway, did the family thing, then took the tongue off the trailer and
much to my surprize..sure enough - theres my sign.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid.JPG

So I took the thing off the mount, but when I tried to take the brake
line off, the whole connector disintegrated into little flakes and I
was left with this.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid+line.JPG

Here's where it mounts.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Tongue%20mount.JPG

It looks like the actuator is ok, no rust or anything.

I guess I should have looked this over every year or so, but with just
under 14K miles on the trailer and it being ten years old with no
major issues other than disc and pad replacements (and one bad
caliper), it never occured to me to check the compnents inside the
tongue.

Lesson learned.

Now I gotta fund a brake release solenoid. And revamp the entire
system inside the trailer tongue system with rubber instead of steel.

Oy...
HOME PAGE:
http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth
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Trailer troubles....
 

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
So I'm on my way back from the lake, turn off the exit and begin to
stop - I hear this bang/thump from the back of the and the truck just
kind of lurched forward. I pulled over, stopped and got out to look
around.

Nothing on the road so I didn't kill anything human or animal. Stern
of the boat looks fine - nobody behind me and nothing fell off. Looked
the boat over, no holes in the hull, tire are fine, looked under the
truck, nothing there either.

Hmmm - oh well. Got back into the truck and started to the end of the
ramp - bang/thump, truck lurches again. WTH?

Got out look everything over, nope nothing. Hmmm - look up at the
front of the trailer and notice something dripping from the trailer
tongue - brake fluid. Oh oh.

Got back into the truck, pulled forward a little - bang/thump. Pulled
into the Wal Mart parking lot (more bang/thump), got out and
disconnected the trailer - I can move the actuator by hand. Open the
fluid resorvoir - not a drop - it's all dripping out the bottom. Ok -
got a problem. Locked out the actuator mechanically and got the
trailer hooked up and back home - no bang/thump but the damn trailer
and boat is heavy - 5,000 lbs and the truck takes time to slow the
load down.

Anyway, did the family thing, then took the tongue off the trailer and
much to my surprize..sure enough - theres my sign.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid.JPG

So I took the thing off the mount, but when I tried to take the brake
line off, the whole connector disintegrated into little flakes and I
was left with this.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid+line.JPG

Here's where it mounts.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Tongue%20mount.JPG

It looks like the actuator is ok, no rust or anything.

I guess I should have looked this over every year or so, but with just
under 14K miles on the trailer and it being ten years old with no
major issues other than disc and pad replacements (and one bad
caliper), it never occured to me to check the compnents inside the
tongue.

Lesson learned.

Now I gotta fund a brake release solenoid. And revamp the entire
system inside the trailer tongue system with rubber instead of steel.

Oy...


A little wd-40 and a wire brush will make that thing as good as new. g
Glad it didn't lock up on ya.

--Mike

Trailer troubles....
 

On Jun 21, 6:39*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
So I'm on my way back from the lake, turn off the exit and begin to
stop - I hear this bang/thump from the back of the and the truck just
kind of lurched forward. *I pulled over, stopped and got out to look
around.

Nothing on the road so I didn't kill anything human or animal. Stern
of the boat looks fine - nobody behind me and nothing fell off. Looked
the boat over, no holes in the hull, tire are fine, looked under the
truck, nothing there either.

Hmmm - oh well. Got back into the truck and started to the end of the
ramp - bang/thump, truck lurches again. *WTH?

Got out look everything over, nope nothing. *Hmmm - look up at the
front of the trailer and notice something dripping from the trailer
tongue - brake fluid. *Oh oh.

Got back into the truck, pulled forward a little - bang/thump. Pulled
into the Wal Mart parking lot (more bang/thump), got out and
disconnected the trailer - I can move the actuator by hand. Open the
fluid resorvoir - not a drop - it's all dripping out the bottom. *Ok -
got a problem. *Locked out the actuator mechanically and got the
trailer hooked up and back home - no bang/thump but the damn trailer
and boat is heavy - 5,000 lbs and the truck takes time to slow the
load down.

Anyway, did the family thing, then took the tongue off the trailer and
much to my surprize..sure enough - theres my sign.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid.JPG

So I took the thing off the mount, but when I tried to take the brake
line off, the whole connector disintegrated into little flakes and I
was left with this.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid+line.JPG

Here's where it mounts.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Tongue%20mount.JPG

It looks like the actuator is ok, no rust or anything.

I guess I should have looked this over every year or so, but with just
under 14K miles on the trailer and it being ten years old with no
major issues other than disc and pad replacements (and one bad
caliper), it never occured to me to check the compnents inside the
tongue.

Lesson learned.

Now I gotta fund a brake release solenoid. *And revamp the entire
system inside the trailer tongue system with rubber instead of steel.

Oy...

that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

Good luck.

OH! Isn't Mrs Wave going to be hacked about you laying that junk out
on her bead spread?

Trailer troubles....
 

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

Trailer troubles....
 

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

Unless I'm dreaming, I seem to remember reading about a non hygroscopic
synthetic brake fluid. You might consider using it after you replace all
of your brake lines and rebuild, if possible, the calipers and master
cylinder. The solenoid appears to have a steel cover. Can you find one
that doesn't have a ferrous metal cover?
Champions Trailer Parts and Dexter Axle are two good sources of
information on trailers. They both have web sites.

Trailer troubles....
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:15:58 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:


that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

About every ten years or so, we need a little reminder like that just
to let us know we don't know everything...yet.

Glad it didn't let go at a worse time, like when everyone on the
freeway was coming to a panic stop for no friggin' reason whatsoever,
like they do on I-95 about every 35 miles or so.

Good luck with it, although I'm sure you'll not need luck to get it
fixed.
--

John H

Trailer troubles....
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:38:45 -0400, Jim24242
wrote:

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

Unless I'm dreaming, I seem to remember reading about a non hygroscopic
synthetic brake fluid.

Not recommended for this system. Apparently silicone based hydraulic
fluids have a tendency to cause aeration in the fluid when forced
through small orifices as they have about 4 times the amount of air in
the fluid as standard glycol based fluids. I know they aren't
recommended for braking systems that use ABS.

You might consider using it after you replace all of your brake lines
and rebuild, if possible, the calipers and master cylinder.

I'm going to wing it with that - I just replaced the calipers, pads
and discs last year. The actuator seems fine - clean, no dirt or
grease - almost sterile. The brake lines from the solenoid back are
fine - no rust and the connectors are clean and disconnected very
easily. What I am thinking about doing is replacing all the steel
lines from the actuator to the solenoid and back again with rubber
brake hose. I'm going to completely remove the quick disconnect system
and just use rubber to connect to the trailer lines.

The solenoid appears to have a steel cover. Can you find one
that doesn't have a ferrous metal cover?

I don't know if that's possible. I'm heading up to Northeast
Industries this morning up in Dudley - they have Loadrite franchise
for this part of the world and talk to them about it. The lines I can
have made up at NAPA.

Champions Trailer Parts and Dexter Axle are two good sources of
information on trailers. They both have web sites.

I spent some time there last night while surfing around for
information - not sure they have what I need, but I'll look again.

Trailer troubles....
 

On Jun 21, 7:39*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
So I'm on my way back from the lake, turn off the exit and begin to
stop - I hear this bang/thump from the back of the and the truck just
kind of lurched forward. *I pulled over, stopped and got out to look
around.

Nothing on the road so I didn't kill anything human or animal. Stern
of the boat looks fine - nobody behind me and nothing fell off. Looked
the boat over, no holes in the hull, tire are fine, looked under the
truck, nothing there either.

Hmmm - oh well. Got back into the truck and started to the end of the
ramp - bang/thump, truck lurches again. *WTH?

Got out look everything over, nope nothing. *Hmmm - look up at the
front of the trailer and notice something dripping from the trailer
tongue - brake fluid. *Oh oh.

Got back into the truck, pulled forward a little - bang/thump. Pulled
into the Wal Mart parking lot (more bang/thump), got out and
disconnected the trailer - I can move the actuator by hand. Open the
fluid resorvoir - not a drop - it's all dripping out the bottom. *Ok -
got a problem. *Locked out the actuator mechanically and got the
trailer hooked up and back home - no bang/thump but the damn trailer
and boat is heavy - 5,000 lbs and the truck takes time to slow the
load down.

Anyway, did the family thing, then took the tongue off the trailer and
much to my surprize..sure enough - theres my sign.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid.JPG

So I took the thing off the mount, but when I tried to take the brake
line off, the whole connector disintegrated into little flakes and I
was left with this.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid+line.JPG

Here's where it mounts.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Tongue%20mount.JPG

It looks like the actuator is ok, no rust or anything.

I guess I should have looked this over every year or so, but with just
under 14K miles on the trailer and it being ten years old with no
major issues other than disc and pad replacements (and one bad
caliper), it never occured to me to check the compnents inside the
tongue.

Lesson learned.

Now I gotta fund a brake release solenoid. *And revamp the entire
system inside the trailer tongue system with rubber instead of steel.

Oy...

I notice you didn't use a fine German made screwdriver.

Trailer troubles....
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:17:54 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker
wrote:

On Jun 21, 7:39*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
So I'm on my way back from the lake, turn off the exit and begin to
stop - I hear this bang/thump from the back of the and the truck just
kind of lurched forward. *I pulled over, stopped and got out to look
around.

Nothing on the road so I didn't kill anything human or animal. Stern
of the boat looks fine - nobody behind me and nothing fell off. Looked
the boat over, no holes in the hull, tire are fine, looked under the
truck, nothing there either.

Hmmm - oh well. Got back into the truck and started to the end of the
ramp - bang/thump, truck lurches again. *WTH?

Got out look everything over, nope nothing. *Hmmm - look up at the
front of the trailer and notice something dripping from the trailer
tongue - brake fluid. *Oh oh.

Got back into the truck, pulled forward a little - bang/thump. Pulled
into the Wal Mart parking lot (more bang/thump), got out and
disconnected the trailer - I can move the actuator by hand. Open the
fluid resorvoir - not a drop - it's all dripping out the bottom. *Ok -
got a problem. *Locked out the actuator mechanically and got the
trailer hooked up and back home - no bang/thump but the damn trailer
and boat is heavy - 5,000 lbs and the truck takes time to slow the
load down.

Anyway, did the family thing, then took the tongue off the trailer and
much to my surprize..sure enough - theres my sign.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid.JPG

So I took the thing off the mount, but when I tried to take the brake
line off, the whole connector disintegrated into little flakes and I
was left with this.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Solenoid+line.JPG

Here's where it mounts.

http://www.swsports.org/images/Tongue%20mount.JPG

It looks like the actuator is ok, no rust or anything.

I guess I should have looked this over every year or so, but with just
under 14K miles on the trailer and it being ten years old with no
major issues other than disc and pad replacements (and one bad
caliper), it never occured to me to check the compnents inside the
tongue.

Lesson learned.

Now I gotta fund a brake release solenoid. *And revamp the entire
system inside the trailer tongue system with rubber instead of steel.

Oy...

I notice you didn't use a fine German made screwdriver.

Strictly Craftsman. :)

Ommmmmmmm....

Trailer troubles....
 

On Jun 22, 5:15*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got *there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. *I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

Well, I'm not one to dispute the Wizard, but I've sen many an old car
and/or truck that had a gazillion miles and years on them and no rust
on the cast iron brake reservoir.

I wonder what the difference is? something abotu the heat under the
engine compartment causing something not to rust and corroede?

Trailer troubles....
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 22, 5:15*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got *there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. *I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

Well, I'm not one to dispute the Wizard, but I've sen many an old car
and/or truck that had a gazillion miles and years on them and no rust
on the cast iron brake reservoir.

I wonder what the difference is? something abotu the heat under the
engine compartment causing something not to rust and corroede?

Got me, but that International L-110 I restored master cylinder was
clean (cast iron), but all the lines from it were toast.

Maybe it's the lines and not the cyliinder.

Trailer troubles....
 

On Jun 22, 7:36*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 22, 5:15*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got *there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. *I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

Well, I'm not one to dispute the Wizard, but I've sen many an old car
and/or truck that had a gazillion miles and years on them and no rust
on the cast iron brake reservoir.

I wonder what the difference is? something abotu the heat under the
engine compartment causing something not to rust and corroede?

Got me, but that International L-110 I restored master cylinder was
clean (cast iron), but all the lines from it were toast.

Maybe it's the lines and not the cyliinder.

I know what your saying, but that cylinder of yours looks pretty
gawdy, but of course it has a steel cap on it too, Maybe the brake
fluid attacks the steel but not the cast iron.


Most strange.

Trailer troubles....
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 22, 5:15Â*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got Â*there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. Â*I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

Well, I'm not one to dispute the Wizard, but I've sen many an old car
and/or truck that had a gazillion miles and years on them and no rust
on the cast iron brake reservoir.

I wonder what the difference is? something abotu the heat under the
engine compartment causing something not to rust and corroede?

I've been arguing for years about how the "hygroscopic" quality of
brake fluid sucking up water is waaay overstated.
Never touched the 14 year-old fluid on one of my cars, and never had a
brake problem. I was called all kinds of names for that.
But I can't argue against fluid changes.
Too many brake mechanics say it happens.
Can't remember exactly now, but other brake mechanics/scientists say
the internal corrosion is caused by chemical reactions of the metal
with the fluid and has nothing to do with water.
Tom should slice that rusted line in half with a diatomic scalpel
(can't remember the SciFi short story, but it was a hell of a scalpel)
and take a look at the inside of the line.

--Vic

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Well, I'm not one to dispute the Wizard, but I've sen many an old car
and/or truck that had a gazillion miles and years on them and no rust
on the cast iron brake reservoir.

I wonder what the difference is? something abotu the heat under the
engine compartment causing something not to rust and corroede?

Brake fluid absorbs water, which is highly corrosive. You are supposed
to replace it every couple of years. Do it at the same time you change
the glycol. The operation is the same as bleeding the brakes. You keep
adding fresh fluid and pump until you get new clean fluid at all the
bleeding nipples.

Casady

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:36:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

Got me, but that International L-110 I restored master cylinder was
clean (cast iron), but all the lines from it were toast.

Maybe it's the lines and not the cyliinder.

Steel is highly susceptable to rust, while cast iron is very corrosion
resistant.

Casady

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:00:39 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 22, 5:15*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got *there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. *I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

Well, I'm not one to dispute the Wizard, but I've sen many an old car
and/or truck that had a gazillion miles and years on them and no rust
on the cast iron brake reservoir.

I wonder what the difference is? something abotu the heat under the
engine compartment causing something not to rust and corroede?

I've been arguing for years about how the "hygroscopic" quality of
brake fluid sucking up water is waaay overstated.

I would have to agree with you actually. My tractors use standard
brake fluid and I've never had a water problem - well, the one time
the Super A ended up in the irrigation pond at the orchard, but that
wasn't my fault. :)

Ok it was - just shut up about it.

Can't remember exactly now, but other brake mechanics/scientists say
the internal corrosion is caused by chemical reactions of the metal
with the fluid and has nothing to do with water.

Had an interesting discussion with the trailer mechanic up at
Northeast Industries this morning about this very topic. According to
him, the only truly safe way is to use rubber hose, not metal
throughout the system.

I'm sure that will spark some discussion. :)

Tom should slice that rusted line in half with a diatomic scalpel
(can't remember the SciFi short story, but it was a hell of a scalpel)
and take a look at the inside of the line.

That's not a bad idea - I might do that.

Don't have a diatomic scalpel, but I do have a tubing cutter and some
fiber optic fibers.

Hmmm...

You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

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On Jun 22, 10:49*am, Richard Casady
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

Well, I'm not one to dispute the Wizard, but I've sen many an old car
and/or truck that had a gazillion miles and years on them and no rust
on the cast iron brake reservoir.

I wonder what the difference is? something abotu the heat under the
engine compartment causing something not to rust and corroede?

Brake fluid absorbs water, which is highly corrosive. You are supposed
to replace it every couple of years. Do it at the same time you change
the glycol. The operation is the same as bleeding the brakes. You keep
adding fresh fluid and pump until you get new clean fluid at all the
bleeding nipples.

Casady

Yup!

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:



You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

Think it was this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Black_Bag

--Vic

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I would have to agree with you actually. My tractors use standard brake
fluid and I've never had a water problem - well, the one time the Super
A ended up in the irrigation pond at the orchard, but that wasn't my
fault. :)

;-) Just a note of caution, I'm known more than one person who has had a
tractor roll over on them. One of them, is no longer with us because of
the event. Those things are more dangerous than it would appear.

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:10:09 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:



You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

Think it was this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Black_Bag

That's it - just looked at it - I have a compendium of '50s stories.

Must be getting old - I should have remembered that.

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:52:22 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I would have to agree with you actually. My tractors use standard brake
fluid and I've never had a water problem - well, the one time the Super
A ended up in the irrigation pond at the orchard, but that wasn't my
fault. :)

;-) Just a note of caution, I'm known more than one person who has had a
tractor roll over on them. One of them, is no longer with us because of
the event. Those things are more dangerous than it would appear.

Been there, done that - got the t-shirt.

My favorite was pulling a hay wagon with about 300 bales on it with
the MTA I restored.

Up a hill.

Doing a wheelie for the first couple of hundred feet. :)

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On Jun 22, 3:21*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:52:22 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:

I would have to agree with you actually. My tractors use standard brake
fluid and I've never had a water problem - well, the one time the Super
A ended up in the irrigation pond at the orchard, but that wasn't my
fault. *:)

;-) Just a note of caution, I'm known more than one person who has had a
tractor roll over on them. *One of them, is no longer with us because of
the event. *Those things are more dangerous than it would appear.

Been there, done that - got the t-shirt.

My favorite was pulling a hay wagon with about 300 bales on it with
the MTA I restored.

Up a hill.

Doing a wheelie for the first couple of hundred feet. *:)

Growing up around a farm, and all of us being gear heads, I've got
some stories! Just as a reference point, I'd taken a load of hay up to
another farmer with a Ford 8n. There's a place in the road where it's
downhill. Let the hay wagon at the farm, so I decided that'd be a
great place to kick that thing into neutral. A Ford 8n doesn't handle
worth a damned at 30 or so mph!!! Those rear tires were just freakin'
howling because it was swaying side to side so much that I used the
whole 2 lane county road!

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:52:22 -0500, thunder
wrote:

Just a note of caution, I'm known more than one person who has had a
tractor roll over on them. One of them, is no longer with us because of
the event. Those things are more dangerous than it would appear.

We have some forty odd acres, and my wife likes gardening, planting
trees and so on. We have a source for mixed horse**** and sawdust for
free and another source for wood chips. So we have big piles of both.
Not to mention crushed limestone for the driveway.
So I bought her a tractor, a small John Deere, with a loader. And a
roll bar. All those standard for decades air conditioned cabs will
withstand a rollover.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:36:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

Got me, but that International L-110 I restored master cylinder was
clean (cast iron), but all the lines from it were toast.

Maybe it's the lines and not the cyliinder.

Steel is highly susceptable to rust, while cast iron is very corrosion
resistant.

Casady

I have always had to make sure my cast iron skillets were well seasoned
or they would rust.

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:40:07 -0400, "Reginald P Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:36:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

Got me, but that International L-110 I restored master cylinder was
clean (cast iron), but all the lines from it were toast.

Maybe it's the lines and not the cyliinder.

Steel is highly susceptable to rust, while cast iron is very corrosion
resistant.

Casady

I have always had to make sure my cast iron skillets were well seasoned
or they would rust.

Isn't that how you're supposed to get the brown coating on steak and
chicken?
--

John H

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On Jun 22, 9:50*am, Richard Casady
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:36:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock

wrote:
Got me, but that International L-110 I restored master cylinder was
clean (cast iron), but all the lines from it were toast.

Maybe it's the lines and not the cyliinder.

Steel is highly susceptable to rust, while cast iron is very corrosion
resistant.

Casady

Actually, Cast Iron will rust faster than anything. Most cast iron
parts you buy new will have a light coat of fine oil on them for that
reason. Steel is usually a lot slower, but will rust out. But
Stainless is about the ultimate against rust. that is unless you use
yellow brass.

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On Jun 22, 4:39*pm, John H wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:40:07 -0400, "Reginald P Smithers III, Esq."



wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:36:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

Got me, but that International L-110 I restored master cylinder was
clean (cast iron), but all the lines from it were toast.

Maybe it's the lines and not the cyliinder.

Steel is highly susceptable to rust, while cast iron is very corrosion
resistant.

Casady

I have always had to make sure my cast iron skillets were well seasoned
or they would rust.

Isn't that how you're supposed to get the brown coating on steak and
chicken?
--

John H

Works for me! Good for "iron poor" blood too!

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On Jun 22, 11:10*am, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock

wrote:

You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

Think it was thishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Black_Bag

--Vic

I don't know about little black bag, but the first song I really was
able to play on bass guitar when I was 15 was "Little Green Bag" by
the George Baker Select. it's kinda mild rockish with a Lawrence Welk
twist to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L1hD5OlPtw

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:40:07 -0400, "Reginald P Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:36:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

Got me, but that International L-110 I restored master cylinder was
clean (cast iron), but all the lines from it were toast.

Maybe it's the lines and not the cyliinder.

Steel is highly susceptable to rust, while cast iron is very corrosion
resistant.

Casady

I have always had to make sure my cast iron skillets were well seasoned
or they would rust.

And your skillets developed how many holes? There are cast iron water
pipes that have been in use for hundreds of years. I have owned steel
knives that could corrode visibly in fifteen minutes, just cut an
apple and watch white steel blacken. I have never heard of a cast iron
car part failing from corrosion. Steel bodies, and when they had them,
frames, can rust to the point of uselessness. Frame rusted out on my
fathers 67 Ford wagon, and he had to scrap it, even though the body
and interior were still good.

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On Jun 22, 12:52*pm, thunder wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:

I would have to agree with you actually. My tractors use standard brake
fluid and I've never had a water problem - well, the one time the Super
A ended up in the irrigation pond at the orchard, but that wasn't my
fault. *:)

;-) Just a note of caution, I'm known more than one person who has had a
tractor roll over on them. *One of them, is no longer with us because of
the event. *Those things are more dangerous than it would appear.

Yep, I lost two really good customers in roll-overs.

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On Jun 22, 2:33*pm, Loogypicker wrote:
On Jun 22, 3:21*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:



On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:52:22 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:

I would have to agree with you actually. My tractors use standard brake
fluid and I've never had a water problem - well, the one time the Super
A ended up in the irrigation pond at the orchard, but that wasn't my
fault. *:)

;-) Just a note of caution, I'm known more than one person who has had a
tractor roll over on them. *One of them, is no longer with us because of
the event. *Those things are more dangerous than it would appear.

Been there, done that - got the t-shirt.

My favorite was pulling a hay wagon with about 300 bales on it with
the MTA I restored.

Up a hill.

Doing a wheelie for the first couple of hundred feet. *:)

Growing up around a farm, and all of us being gear heads, I've got
some stories! Just as a reference point, I'd taken a load of hay up to
another farmer with a Ford 8n. There's a place in the road where it's
downhill. Let the hay wagon at the farm, so I decided that'd be a
great place to kick that thing into neutral. A Ford 8n doesn't handle
worth a damned at 30 or so mph!!! Those rear tires were just freakin'
howling because it was swaying side to side so much that I used the
whole 2 lane county road!

Been there too. only I was pulling a hay wagon, or it was pushing me
and swaying hard. about lost the load which would have been right on
top of me.

Not good!

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On Jun 22, 3:43*pm, Gene Kearns
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Jun 22, 5:15*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
| On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim | wrote:

|
|
|
| that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got *there Tom. Too
| much exposure to salt in a tight spot.
|
| Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
| compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
| actuator - just a dirt.
|
| What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
| brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
| what I'm thinking. *I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
| it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.
|
| No indication it was leaking either until it let go.
|
| On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
| of build up.
|
| The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
| trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.
|
| I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
| Corrosive stuff brake fluid.
|
|Well, I'm not one to dispute the Wizard, but I've sen many an old car
|and/or truck that had a gazillion miles and years on them and no rust
|on the cast iron brake reservoir.
|
|I wonder what the difference is? something abotu the heat under the
|engine compartment causing something not to rust and corroede?

Brake fluid attracts water like crazy. The lower in the system, the
more likely the water. *Wouldn't hurt to get a tube of these:

http://www.gwrauto.com/stripdip.htm

--
Agent 5.00 Build 1171

Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Oak Island, NC.

Homepagehttp://pamandgene.tranquilrefuge.net/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Good idea, Gene.

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"Tim" wrote in message
...


Did it to you again. Can't believe it. The two times you called I had a
bunch of activity going on.
Today it was Verizon. I had my cell phone in one ear, listening to the
tech help guy and trying to answer your call at the same time.

Email always works. rerik at comcast dot net

Eisboch

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 22, 11:10Â*am, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock

wrote:

You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

Think it was thishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Black_Bag

--Vic

I don't know about little black bag, but the first song I really was
able to play on bass guitar when I was 15 was "Little Green Bag" by
the George Baker Select. it's kinda mild rockish with a Lawrence Welk
twist to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L1hD5OlPtw


Sounds like a drug song to me, but since it's you it's probably not.
I'm not too musically inclined except for some Strauss and Roy
Orbison. Well, I was on a Dionne Warwick youtube kick yesterday.
And I watch American Idol too.
Oh hell, I just don't like that hard/acid rock stuff.
Gives me a headache.
And those car boom boxes..boom..boom..boom.
They get me mad.
Probably some primal nonsense I have no control over.

--Vic

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:08:29 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:55:37 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|Sounds like a drug song to me, but since it's you ......

In 1969, what *wasn't* a drug song?

Okie from Muskogee of course.
Merle Haggard - my second favorite voice.

--Vic

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 22, 11:10*am, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:05:57 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock

wrote:

You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

Think it was thishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Black_Bag

--Vic

I don't know about little black bag, but the first song I really was
able to play on bass guitar when I was 15 was "Little Green Bag" by
the George Baker Select. it's kinda mild rockish with a Lawrence Welk
twist to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L1hD5OlPtw

Well, it's not exactly weird...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0UT2MpdWnc

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:08:29 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:55:37 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|Sounds like a drug song to me, but since it's you ......

In 1969, what *wasn't* a drug song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9fwjox49Wk

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:33:06 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:08:29 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:55:37 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:


|Sounds like a drug song to me, but since it's you ......

In 1969, what *wasn't* a drug song?

Okie from Muskogee of course.
Merle Haggard - my second favorite voice.

Two of my favorites rolled up in one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxzJAF1BxP4