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"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:00:39 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:32:17 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 22, 5:15 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:15:06 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



that looks like a serious dose of the clap, you got there Tom. Too
much exposure to salt in a tight spot.

Don't think so - if that were the case, the entire system would be
compromised like this and it's pretty clean up the tube to the brake
actuator - just a dirt.

What I think happened is that the solenoid let go - that's basically
brake fluid corrosion. This has been leaking for sometime - that's
what I'm thinking. I have had to add brake fluid over the years, but
it's a pretty open system so evaporation I figured - apparently not.

No indication it was leaking either until it let go.

On my trailer (23' Marquis) it's all exposed and so it has less means
of build up.

The pic of the brake line looks evil too. and it might be a lot of fun
trying to bleed the brakes with them baptized in brine as well.

I've seen that on an old Escort I had that had a brake line release.
Corrosive stuff brake fluid.

Well, I'm not one to dispute the Wizard, but I've sen many an old car
and/or truck that had a gazillion miles and years on them and no rust
on the cast iron brake reservoir.

I wonder what the difference is? something abotu the heat under the
engine compartment causing something not to rust and corroede?

I've been arguing for years about how the "hygroscopic" quality of
brake fluid sucking up water is waaay overstated.

I would have to agree with you actually. My tractors use standard
brake fluid and I've never had a water problem - well, the one time
the Super A ended up in the irrigation pond at the orchard, but that
wasn't my fault. :)

Ok it was - just shut up about it.

Can't remember exactly now, but other brake mechanics/scientists say
the internal corrosion is caused by chemical reactions of the metal
with the fluid and has nothing to do with water.

Had an interesting discussion with the trailer mechanic up at
Northeast Industries this morning about this very topic. According to
him, the only truly safe way is to use rubber hose, not metal
throughout the system.

I'm sure that will spark some discussion. :)

Tom should slice that rusted line in half with a diatomic scalpel
(can't remember the SciFi short story, but it was a hell of a scalpel)
and take a look at the inside of the line.

That's not a bad idea - I might do that.

Don't have a diatomic scalpel, but I do have a tubing cutter and some
fiber optic fibers.

Hmmm...

You're right Vic - I remember that story but I can't remember who
wrote it or what it was about.

I am looking at replacing my trailer. And Pacific Trailer only uses
composite lines. No rust.

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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 12:52:22 -0500, thunder
wrote:

Just a note of caution, I'm known more than one person who has had a
tractor roll over on them. One of them, is no longer with us because of
the event. Those things are more dangerous than it would appear.

We have some forty odd acres, and my wife likes gardening, planting
trees and so on. We have a source for mixed horse**** and sawdust for
free and another source for wood chips. So we have big piles of both.
Not to mention crushed limestone for the driveway.
So I bought her a tractor, a small John Deere, with a loader. And a
roll bar. All those standard for decades air conditioned cabs will
withstand a rollover.

Casady

Problem with that mixed horse**** is the oats. I used some about 35 years
ago in the garden. Had a great crop of oats for about the next 3 years.

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:21:30 -0400, Zombie of Woodstock
wrote:


Two of my favorites rolled up in one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxzJAF1BxP4

Excuse me. I was on youtube for a while. Like a couple hours.
Yep, I watched that one again, then another and another - you know.
Merle and Jewel do great duets, BTW
This one I really get a kick out of, because I was a huge Marty
Robbins fan when I was in the Navy.
It's a shame Marty left us early.
I don't know how or where the poster dug it up, but it's the kind of
clip that makes youtube such a terrific resource.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1EJ0...eature=related

--Vic

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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:55:11 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:33:06 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

|On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:08:29 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:
|
|On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:55:37 -0500, Vic Smith penned the following
|well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:
|
|
||Sounds like a drug song to me, but since it's you ......
|
|In 1969, what *wasn't* a drug song?
|
|Okie from Muskogee of course.
|Merle Haggard - my second favorite voice.
|
|--Vic

Oh, puleeeeeeze.....

http://tinyurl.com/l5utv6

Don't matter. It's what the audience took from it.
I was in the audience. And the words fit me well.
You surely haven't forgotten the Silent Majority?
Or Muskrat Love?

--Vic

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:24:57 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

(About Okie from Muskogee and Merle being a False Prophet)

|
|Don't matter. It's what the audience took from it.
|I was in the audience. And the words fit me well.
|You surely haven't forgotten the Silent Majority?
|Or Muskrat Love?
|
|--Vic

That same logic has made a lot of satisfied owners of the Brooklyn
Bridge.....

Just because one is a square sure doesn't mean he's a sucker.
Never was into drugs, never burned a draft card, and never bought a
bridge either.
I was a member of the Silent Majority.
And pure blue collar.
Nothing to do with logic. Just was. That was then, this is now.
I'll concede one thing. That song Muskrat Love turned my stomach.
Muskrats having sex?
OMG!!!

--Vic

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:24:57 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

(About Okie from Muskogee and Merle being a False Prophet)

|
|Don't matter. It's what the audience took from it.
|I was in the audience. And the words fit me well.
|You surely haven't forgotten the Silent Majority?
|Or Muskrat Love?
|
|--Vic

That same logic has made a lot of satisfied owners of the Brooklyn
Bridge.....

Just because one is a square sure doesn't mean he's a sucker.
Never was into drugs, never burned a draft card, and never bought a
bridge either.
I was a member of the Silent Majority.
And pure blue collar.
Nothing to do with logic. Just was. That was then, this is now.
I'll concede one thing. That song Muskrat Love turned my stomach.
Muskrats having sex?
OMG!!!

--Vic


Where do you think baby muskrats come from? The stork? :)

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:26:30 -0400, HK wrote:


Where do you think baby muskrats come from? The stork? :)

I don't want to know.

--Vic

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:



ROFL .... the Silent Majority ....was neither.....

This says otherwise, and conforms closely to my memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_majority

Oh sure, most of the silent majority expressed their views.
But not on the streets. Left it to the cops to bust heads.
I'll never forget something Ed Zieben, a WWII vet I worked with a few
miles from the Dem convention riots, said at the height of it.
We were hot, sweating, heat treating bull workers at IH, producing the
heavy machinery of America. And damn proud of it.
No time to smoke dope or throw **** at cops.
Pretty much like the Okies in Muskogee, except we lived in Chicago.
We finished a push into a furnace, and Ed ran a rag across his brow,
then looked at me and said...well actually yelled:
"One 500 pounder will scatter them ****ing hippies to hell."
Though I had no problem with the cops swinging their sticks,
I did view that as a mite extreme.
Things are more vocal now, from all sides.
We need more silence. Majorly.

--Vic

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:29 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:



ROFL .... the Silent Majority ....was neither.....

This says otherwise, and conforms closely to my memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_majority

Oh sure, most of the silent majority expressed their views.
But not on the streets. Left it to the cops to bust heads.
I'll never forget something Ed Zieben, a WWII vet I worked with a few
miles from the Dem convention riots, said at the height of it.
We were hot, sweating, heat treating bull workers at IH, producing the
heavy machinery of America. And damn proud of it.
No time to smoke dope or throw **** at cops.
Pretty much like the Okies in Muskogee, except we lived in Chicago.
We finished a push into a furnace, and Ed ran a rag across his brow,
then looked at me and said...well actually yelled:
"One 500 pounder will scatter them ****ing hippies to hell."
Though I had no problem with the cops swinging their sticks,
I did view that as a mite extreme.
Things are more vocal now, from all sides.
We need more silence. Majorly.

--Vic

Those hippies were trying to stop a war that eventually took 50,000
American lives.

What did we get for it?

History isn't on your side.

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:31:51 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:29 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:



ROFL .... the Silent Majority ....was neither.....

This says otherwise, and conforms closely to my memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_majority

Oh sure, most of the silent majority expressed their views.
But not on the streets. Left it to the cops to bust heads.
I'll never forget something Ed Zieben, a WWII vet I worked with a few
miles from the Dem convention riots, said at the height of it.
We were hot, sweating, heat treating bull workers at IH, producing the
heavy machinery of America. And damn proud of it.
No time to smoke dope or throw **** at cops.
Pretty much like the Okies in Muskogee, except we lived in Chicago.
We finished a push into a furnace, and Ed ran a rag across his brow,
then looked at me and said...well actually yelled:
"One 500 pounder will scatter them ****ing hippies to hell."
Though I had no problem with the cops swinging their sticks,
I did view that as a mite extreme.
Things are more vocal now, from all sides.
We need more silence. Majorly.

--Vic

Those hippies were trying to stop a war that eventually took 50,000
American lives.

What did we get for it?

History isn't on your side.

Too bad the history is gone and I'm still here.

--Vic

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:42:20 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:31:51 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:29 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:



ROFL .... the Silent Majority ....was neither.....

This says otherwise, and conforms closely to my memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_majority

Oh sure, most of the silent majority expressed their views.
But not on the streets. Left it to the cops to bust heads.
I'll never forget something Ed Zieben, a WWII vet I worked with a few
miles from the Dem convention riots, said at the height of it.
We were hot, sweating, heat treating bull workers at IH, producing the
heavy machinery of America. And damn proud of it.
No time to smoke dope or throw **** at cops.
Pretty much like the Okies in Muskogee, except we lived in Chicago.
We finished a push into a furnace, and Ed ran a rag across his brow,
then looked at me and said...well actually yelled:
"One 500 pounder will scatter them ****ing hippies to hell."
Though I had no problem with the cops swinging their sticks,
I did view that as a mite extreme.
Things are more vocal now, from all sides.
We need more silence. Majorly.

--Vic

Those hippies were trying to stop a war that eventually took 50,000
American lives.

What did we get for it?

History isn't on your side.

Too bad the history is gone and I'm still here.

--Vic

If it hadn't have been for those hippies, it may have cost us another
50,000 Americans. You and I may have been among them.

I'd rather be here.

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:56:47 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:42:20 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:31:51 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:29 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:



ROFL .... the Silent Majority ....was neither.....

This says otherwise, and conforms closely to my memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_majority

Oh sure, most of the silent majority expressed their views.
But not on the streets. Left it to the cops to bust heads.
I'll never forget something Ed Zieben, a WWII vet I worked with a few
miles from the Dem convention riots, said at the height of it.
We were hot, sweating, heat treating bull workers at IH, producing the
heavy machinery of America. And damn proud of it.
No time to smoke dope or throw **** at cops.
Pretty much like the Okies in Muskogee, except we lived in Chicago.
We finished a push into a furnace, and Ed ran a rag across his brow,
then looked at me and said...well actually yelled:
"One 500 pounder will scatter them ****ing hippies to hell."
Though I had no problem with the cops swinging their sticks,
I did view that as a mite extreme.
Things are more vocal now, from all sides.
We need more silence. Majorly.

--Vic

Those hippies were trying to stop a war that eventually took 50,000
American lives.

What did we get for it?

History isn't on your side.

Too bad the history is gone and I'm still here.

--Vic

If it hadn't have been for those hippies, it may have cost us another
50,000 Americans. You and I may have been among them.

I'd rather be here.

Ever see or read about time travel where tinkering with the past
affects the future? I'm sure you have.
Though you qualified what you said with "mays" it still reminds me of
that logical imperative.
Maybe if the hippies would have enlisted and fought, the war would
have been won, with fewer casualties, Pol Pot wouldn't have had his
killing fields in Cambodia, the Soviets would have succumbed ten years
earlier, and a cure for cancer would have been discovered.
Maybe not. Impossible to say.
Maybe if we hadn't fought at all, the commies would have been
encouraged to successfully foment revolution on a wider scale and at
an ultimately higher cost to us.
It was a different world then. Commies were our mortal enemies.
Maybe it all worked out just right - that's my view.
History only records the results of the paths we chose.
In any case, I did not welcome the hippies' proselytizing.
But it was their right.
And it was the cops' right to whack their heads when they got out of
line.
The hippies got us Richard Nixon and 6 more years of Viet Nam.
Anyway, here we are.

--Vic

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:12:41 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:56:47 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:42:20 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:31:51 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:29 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:



ROFL .... the Silent Majority ....was neither.....

This says otherwise, and conforms closely to my memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_majority

Oh sure, most of the silent majority expressed their views.
But not on the streets. Left it to the cops to bust heads.
I'll never forget something Ed Zieben, a WWII vet I worked with a few
miles from the Dem convention riots, said at the height of it.
We were hot, sweating, heat treating bull workers at IH, producing the
heavy machinery of America. And damn proud of it.
No time to smoke dope or throw **** at cops.
Pretty much like the Okies in Muskogee, except we lived in Chicago.
We finished a push into a furnace, and Ed ran a rag across his brow,
then looked at me and said...well actually yelled:
"One 500 pounder will scatter them ****ing hippies to hell."
Though I had no problem with the cops swinging their sticks,
I did view that as a mite extreme.
Things are more vocal now, from all sides.
We need more silence. Majorly.

--Vic

Those hippies were trying to stop a war that eventually took 50,000
American lives.

What did we get for it?

History isn't on your side.

Too bad the history is gone and I'm still here.

--Vic

If it hadn't have been for those hippies, it may have cost us another
50,000 Americans. You and I may have been among them.

I'd rather be here.

Ever see or read about time travel where tinkering with the past
affects the future? I'm sure you have.
Though you qualified what you said with "mays" it still reminds me of
that logical imperative.
Maybe if the hippies would have enlisted and fought, the war would
have been won, with fewer casualties, Pol Pot wouldn't have had his
killing fields in Cambodia, the Soviets would have succumbed ten years
earlier, and a cure for cancer would have been discovered.
Maybe not. Impossible to say.
Maybe if we hadn't fought at all, the commies would have been
encouraged to successfully foment revolution on a wider scale and at
an ultimately higher cost to us.
It was a different world then. Commies were our mortal enemies.
Maybe it all worked out just right - that's my view.
History only records the results of the paths we chose.
In any case, I did not welcome the hippies' proselytizing.
But it was their right.
And it was the cops' right to whack their heads when they got out of
line.
The hippies got us Richard Nixon and 6 more years of Viet Nam.
Anyway, here we are.

--Vic

Lyndon Johnson got us Nixon. By the time he took office, the country
had moved enough to the left that he was compelled to pass clean air
and water laws and found the EPA.

I don't expect the military could have handled any more recruits,
otherwise they'd have just increased the number of draftees.

Or they could have done what they've done in Iraq. Send troops for
multiple deployments of 18 mos.

The commies don't seem to have overrun Vietnam as we had feared.

We're now happy to trade with them.

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"jps" wrote in message
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:42:20 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:31:51 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:29 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:50:28 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:



ROFL .... the Silent Majority ....was neither.....

This says otherwise, and conforms closely to my memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_majority

Oh sure, most of the silent majority expressed their views.
But not on the streets. Left it to the cops to bust heads.
I'll never forget something Ed Zieben, a WWII vet I worked with a few
miles from the Dem convention riots, said at the height of it.
We were hot, sweating, heat treating bull workers at IH, producing the
heavy machinery of America. And damn proud of it.
No time to smoke dope or throw **** at cops.
Pretty much like the Okies in Muskogee, except we lived in Chicago.
We finished a push into a furnace, and Ed ran a rag across his brow,
then looked at me and said...well actually yelled:
"One 500 pounder will scatter them ****ing hippies to hell."
Though I had no problem with the cops swinging their sticks,
I did view that as a mite extreme.
Things are more vocal now, from all sides.
We need more silence. Majorly.

--Vic

Those hippies were trying to stop a war that eventually took 50,000
American lives.

What did we get for it?

History isn't on your side.

Too bad the history is gone and I'm still here.

--Vic

If it hadn't have been for those hippies, it may have cost us another
50,000 Americans. You and I may have been among them.

I'd rather be here.

And maybe if they said fight the war and get r done, we could have won the
war, just not the battles. Friend of mine is Cambodian. Tina said
yesterday, that in her life in Cambodia, she went through 3 wars. And she
was born in 1966. Only one involved Americans. Maybe she would not have
seen 2 more wars.