On Jun 19, 5:48*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:19:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 18, 11:25*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Agreed. You respect the rank not necessarily the person who holds it.
(Even though most I did)

When my DD was processed, I had no CiC. But for the previous 3 yrs I
did. I had two. The first I respected as CiC. The second I respected
as CiC and President.

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Your correct John. i did receive Honorable DD214. then I "Di-Di'd"
out of there.

you know what I mean.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:10:10 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

The guys who were just troublemakers usually got General Discharges.
That included folks who were chronic UAs, lots of article 15s or
generally didn't want to be in the military anymore.
The military usually gave them their wish and even though it said GD
under honorable conditions, employers knew the difference.

Actually, the undesirables all seemed to be dope smokers from the
Canal Zone And a few gays. They were death on both. This was the late
sixties, if it matters.
There were many General Discharges, but some were kicked out with an
Honorable. If you were rif-raf you got a general, if you did your best
and just were not the military type, you could get an honorable. They
tried not to hammer guys who never should have been there. Recruiters
mistakes. Of course, none of it mattered to the clerks, we treated
everyone the same, helpful and polite. Your dough and walking papers
as soon as possible, good luck with your future.

Casady

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.


He obviously doesn't know you're a ****head on here. If known, he
would've kicked your ass.

On Jun 18, 11:29*am, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

The marine probably ran to the rest room immediately afterwards, to wash
the slime off his hand.

He was seen smelling his hand afterward....with a look of disgust on
his face.

On Jun 18, 12:25*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"



wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

here is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me.

Everyone from Corporal up, huh.

On Jun 19, 6:48*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:19:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 18, 11:25*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Agreed. You respect the rank not necessarily the person who holds it.
(Even though most I did)

When my DD was processed, I had no CiC. But for the previous 3 yrs I
did. I had two. The first I respected as CiC. The second I respected
as CiC and President.

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

LMAO...." DD"....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:48:22 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:



Actually, the undesirables all seemed to be dope smokers from the
Canal Zone And a few gays. They were death on both. This was the late
sixties, if it matters.
There were many General Discharges, but some were kicked out with an
Honorable. If you were rif-raf you got a general, if you did your best
and just were not the military type, you could get an honorable. They
tried not to hammer guys who never should have been there. Recruiters
mistakes. Of course, none of it mattered to the clerks, we treated
everyone the same, helpful and polite. Your dough and walking papers
as soon as possible, good luck with your future.

Saw quite a few "unsuitables" come through the fireroom.
Don't know what happened to them. They just disappeared.
Mental discharges probably. We did our best to drive new guys crazy.

--Vic

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

That's why I don't think Tim meant 'DD' when referring to his
discharge.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:22:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 19, 5:48*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:19:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 18, 11:25*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Agreed. You respect the rank not necessarily the person who holds it.
(Even though most I did)

When my DD was processed, I had no CiC. But for the previous 3 yrs I
did. I had two. The first I respected as CiC. The second I respected
as CiC and President.

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Your correct John. i did receive Honorable DD214. then I "DeeDee'd"
out of there.

you know what I mean.

Absolutely!
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

That's why I don't think Tim meant 'DD' when referring to his
discharge.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

I think the DD is Defense Department form 214.