The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:23:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

That's why I don't think Tim meant 'DD' when referring to his
discharge.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

I think the DD is Defense Department form 214.

Yes, the DD stands for Department of Defense. The DD Form 215 is used
to make corrections to the DD Form 214. (Just in case you need to get
your type of discharge changed!)
--

John H

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:23:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

That's why I don't think Tim meant 'DD' when referring to his
discharge.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

I think the DD is Defense Department form 214.

The discharge certificates were DD forms. A USAF honorable is DD256AF.

Casady

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:23:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

That's why I don't think Tim meant 'DD' when referring to his
discharge.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

I think the DD is Defense Department form 214.

The discharge certificates were DD forms. A USAF honorable is DD256AF.

Casady


Maybe that answers a question I had. When I got my Social Security, they
wanted to see the Discharge papers. Why? And I think mine were DD256 and
not a DD214. And I wondered why.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:21:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


The discharge certificates were DD forms. A USAF honorable is DD256AF.

Casady


Maybe that answers a question I had. When I got my Social Security, they
wanted to see the Discharge papers. Why? And I think mine were DD256 and
not a DD214. And I wondered why.

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.
Probably asked for your discharge papers because the SS processing
office wasn't too sharp, or you had an odd earnings history.
I sent in for a DD214 earlier to have when I got SS earlier this year.
Lost mine. Saw it was "needed" according to the SS web site.
But SS never asked for it. The lady told me she didn't need it.
How it works if they use military service year earnings for
calculating benefits. They add some amount of SS earnings for your
years in the service. Different service year ranges get different
amounts added.
This is because servicemen are generally underpaid compared to
civvies, so they have some formula to make up for that.
But the thing is SS calculates your benefits on the 35 years of
highest earnings.
In most cases this won't include any service years.
Part of the application is the years you were in the service.
It's pretty evident from your SS earnings statement whether those
service years are in the top 35 years.
In my statement they are clearly my 4 lowest earning years, so they
were immaterial in calculating my benefits.
That's my understanding of what I've gleaned from the web.
You can get into the weeds of SS law and regs if you want to verify
that. I don't guarantee anything I say. Ever.
Learned that from a sleazy lawyer.

--Vic

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:21:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


The discharge certificates were DD forms. A USAF honorable is DD256AF.

Casady


Maybe that answers a question I had. When I got my Social Security, they
wanted to see the Discharge papers. Why? And I think mine were DD256
and
not a DD214. And I wondered why.

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.
Probably asked for your discharge papers because the SS processing
office wasn't too sharp, or you had an odd earnings history.
I sent in for a DD214 earlier to have when I got SS earlier this year.
Lost mine. Saw it was "needed" according to the SS web site.
But SS never asked for it. The lady told me she didn't need it.
How it works if they use military service year earnings for
calculating benefits. They add some amount of SS earnings for your
years in the service. Different service year ranges get different
amounts added.
This is because servicemen are generally underpaid compared to
civvies, so they have some formula to make up for that.
But the thing is SS calculates your benefits on the 35 years of
highest earnings.
In most cases this won't include any service years.
Part of the application is the years you were in the service.
It's pretty evident from your SS earnings statement whether those
service years are in the top 35 years.
In my statement they are clearly my 4 lowest earning years, so they
were immaterial in calculating my benefits.
That's my understanding of what I've gleaned from the web.
You can get into the weeds of SS law and regs if you want to verify
that. I don't guarantee anything I say. Ever.
Learned that from a sleazy lawyer.

--Vic

Was within $7 of what they said I would be getting on papers sent to me.
And the Military pay was not a lot.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:49:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:21:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


The discharge certificates were DD forms. A USAF honorable is DD256AF.

Casady


Maybe that answers a question I had. When I got my Social Security, they
wanted to see the Discharge papers. Why? And I think mine were DD256 and
not a DD214. And I wondered why.

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.
Probably asked for your discharge papers because the SS processing
office wasn't too sharp, or you had an odd earnings history.
I sent in for a DD214 earlier to have when I got SS earlier this year.
Lost mine. Saw it was "needed" according to the SS web site.
But SS never asked for it. The lady told me she didn't need it.
How it works if they use military service year earnings for
calculating benefits. They add some amount of SS earnings for your
years in the service. Different service year ranges get different
amounts added.
This is because servicemen are generally underpaid compared to
civvies, so they have some formula to make up for that.
But the thing is SS calculates your benefits on the 35 years of
highest earnings.
In most cases this won't include any service years.
Part of the application is the years you were in the service.
It's pretty evident from your SS earnings statement whether those
service years are in the top 35 years.
In my statement they are clearly my 4 lowest earning years, so they
were immaterial in calculating my benefits.
That's my understanding of what I've gleaned from the web.
You can get into the weeds of SS law and regs if you want to verify
that. I don't guarantee anything I say. Ever.
Learned that from a sleazy lawyer.

--Vic

The DD Form 214 is used by *all* the military departments.
--

John H

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:49:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.

DD 214 is not a discharge certificate, particularly when the
individule is not even discharged, but transferred to the reserves.

Those released after their four years would get a discharge
certificate in the mail two years after they left, on expiration of
their reserve committement.

The title of the the DD 214 is Armed Forces Report of Transfer or
DIscharge.

Casady

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:07:52 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:57:41 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:49:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.

DD 214 is not a discharge certificate, particularly when the
individule is not even discharged, but transferred to the reserves.

Those released after their four years would get a discharge
certificate in the mail two years after they left, on expiration of
their reserve committement.

The title of the the DD 214 is Armed Forces Report of Transfer or
DIscharge.

Casady

So you could have more than one DD214?

As in transferred to reserves (dd214), called up, transferred to
reserves again or discharged (another dd214)?

It is possible to have several DD 214's. One could serve an
enlistment, get out, come back several years later, do it again, and
so on. The last DD214 should show all the service and the breaks and
will be the *official* one.
--

John H

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:57:41 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:49:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.

DD 214 is not a discharge certificate, particularly when the
individule is not even discharged, but transferred to the reserves.

Those released after their four years would get a discharge
certificate in the mail two years after they left, on expiration of
their reserve committement.

The title of the the DD 214 is Armed Forces Report of Transfer or
DIscharge.

Casady

I wonder when the name changed. Mine is "CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR
DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVE DUTY". This is the Nov 88 version, but I don't
think the name's changed.
--

John H

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:08:39 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:57:41 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:49:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.

DD 214 is not a discharge certificate, particularly when the
individule is not even discharged, but transferred to the reserves.

Those released after their four years would get a discharge
certificate in the mail two years after they left, on expiration of
their reserve committement.

The title of the the DD 214 is Armed Forces Report of Transfer or
DIscharge.

Casady

I wonder when the name changed. Mine is "CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR
DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVE DUTY". This is the Nov 88 version, but I don't
think the name's changed.

I may be out of date, I typed lots of them in 67 and 68. When someone
reenlisted they got a 214 and a 256, honorable discharge. Then DD 4,
the enlistment.

Casady