The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

....are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) :)
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

John H wrote:
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) :)
--
John H


Doesn't matter. You showed respect for each other.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

"John H" wrote in message
...
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) :)
--
John H



If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) :)
--
John H



If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.




The marine probably ran to the rest room immediately afterwards, to wash
the slime off his hand.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) :)
--
John H



If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.


Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:29:40 -0400, HK wrote:

Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) :)
--
John H



If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.




The marine probably ran to the rest room immediately afterwards, to wash
the slime off his hand.

Hopefully he had gloves on.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Jun 18, 11:25*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"



wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Agreed. You respect the rank not necessarily the person who holds it.
(Even though most I did)

When my DD was processed, I had no CiC. But for the previous 3 yrs I
did. I had two. The first I respected as CiC. The second I respected
as CiC and President.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:19:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 18, 11:25*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"



wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Agreed. You respect the rank not necessarily the person who holds it.
(Even though most I did)

When my DD was processed, I had no CiC. But for the previous 3 yrs I
did. I had two. The first I respected as CiC. The second I respected
as CiC and President.

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Jun 19, 5:48*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:19:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 18, 11:25*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Agreed. You respect the rank not necessarily the person who holds it.
(Even though most I did)

When my DD was processed, I had no CiC. But for the previous 3 yrs I
did. I had two. The first I respected as CiC. The second I respected
as CiC and President.

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Your correct John. i did receive Honorable DD214. then I "DeeDee'd"
out of there.

you know what I mean.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Jun 19, 5:48*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:19:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 18, 11:25*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Agreed. You respect the rank not necessarily the person who holds it.
(Even though most I did)

When my DD was processed, I had no CiC. But for the previous 3 yrs I
did. I had two. The first I respected as CiC. The second I respected
as CiC and President.

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Your correct John. i did receive Honorable DD214. then I "Di-Di'd"
out of there.

you know what I mean.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:10:10 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

The guys who were just troublemakers usually got General Discharges.
That included folks who were chronic UAs, lots of article 15s or
generally didn't want to be in the military anymore.
The military usually gave them their wish and even though it said GD
under honorable conditions, employers knew the difference.

Actually, the undesirables all seemed to be dope smokers from the
Canal Zone And a few gays. They were death on both. This was the late
sixties, if it matters.
There were many General Discharges, but some were kicked out with an
Honorable. If you were rif-raf you got a general, if you did your best
and just were not the military type, you could get an honorable. They
tried not to hammer guys who never should have been there. Recruiters
mistakes. Of course, none of it mattered to the clerks, we treated
everyone the same, helpful and polite. Your dough and walking papers
as soon as possible, good luck with your future.

Casady

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.


He obviously doesn't know you're a ****head on here. If known, he
would've kicked your ass.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Jun 18, 11:29*am, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

The marine probably ran to the rest room immediately afterwards, to wash
the slime off his hand.

He was seen smelling his hand afterward....with a look of disgust on
his face.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Jun 18, 12:25*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"



wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

here is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me.

Everyone from Corporal up, huh.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Jun 19, 6:48*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:19:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 18, 11:25*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Agreed. You respect the rank not necessarily the person who holds it.
(Even though most I did)

When my DD was processed, I had no CiC. But for the previous 3 yrs I
did. I had two. The first I respected as CiC. The second I respected
as CiC and President.

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

LMAO...." DD"....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:48:22 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:



Actually, the undesirables all seemed to be dope smokers from the
Canal Zone And a few gays. They were death on both. This was the late
sixties, if it matters.
There were many General Discharges, but some were kicked out with an
Honorable. If you were rif-raf you got a general, if you did your best
and just were not the military type, you could get an honorable. They
tried not to hammer guys who never should have been there. Recruiters
mistakes. Of course, none of it mattered to the clerks, we treated
everyone the same, helpful and polite. Your dough and walking papers
as soon as possible, good luck with your future.

Saw quite a few "unsuitables" come through the fireroom.
Don't know what happened to them. They just disappeared.
Mental discharges probably. We did our best to drive new guys crazy.

--Vic

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

That's why I don't think Tim meant 'DD' when referring to his
discharge.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:22:18 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 19, 5:48*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:19:03 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:



On Jun 18, 11:25*am, John H wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:22:44 -0300, "Don White"

wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
...are the guards at the gates. They are Marines and not rent-a-cops
that many of the military installations are now using.

Today the guard was a young, Private First Class, who gave me a very
crisp salute after returning my ID card.

I said to him, "Marine, can I shake your hand?"

He replied, "Absolutely, Sir!" And the quick handshake took place.

We both had big smiles on our faces. (Of course, he probably didn't
realize I was retired Army!) *:)
--
John H

If he knew how you repeatedly disrespected his Commander in Chief, he would
have run your skanky butt off the base ASAP.

Ok, Donnie, see if you can understand this:

There is nothing in military law that says I must respect an
individual who outranks me. That includes the President, SecDef, and
on down the line. Furthermore, even if I were on active duty, I would
be allowed to express all the adverse criticism of those individuals
that I desired during any political discussion.

Hopefully, you just learned something.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Agreed. You respect the rank not necessarily the person who holds it.
(Even though most I did)

When my DD was processed, I had no CiC. But for the previous 3 yrs I
did. I had two. The first I respected as CiC. The second I respected
as CiC and President.

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

Your correct John. i did receive Honorable DD214. then I "DeeDee'd"
out of there.

you know what I mean.

Absolutely!
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

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"John H" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

That's why I don't think Tim meant 'DD' when referring to his
discharge.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

I think the DD is Defense Department form 214.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:23:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

That's why I don't think Tim meant 'DD' when referring to his
discharge.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

I think the DD is Defense Department form 214.

Yes, the DD stands for Department of Defense. The DD Form 215 is used
to make corrections to the DD Form 214. (Just in case you need to get
your type of discharge changed!)
--

John H

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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:23:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

That's why I don't think Tim meant 'DD' when referring to his
discharge.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

I think the DD is Defense Department form 214.

The discharge certificates were DD forms. A USAF honorable is DD256AF.

Casady

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 22:23:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:44:15 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:43 -0400, John H
wrote:

Tim, if you're referring to your discharge papers, i.e. your DD 214,
that's one thing. Normally, the acronym DD is used for 'Dishonorable
Discharge'. I don't think you got that! (At least that's the way I
remeber it!)

I was a discharge clerk. There were five kinds of discharge in the
USAF, and a dishonorable one could only be had as the sentence of a
general court martial. Any garden variety ****up would have gotten a
administrative 'undesirable discharge' long before it got to the court
martial stage. A DD would go with a serious felony, murder, rape,
armed robbery, something really heavy. I had five hundred of the
forms, and I never even heard of anyone getting a DD. I drew up three
Bad Conduct discharges. Guy drank, drove, crashed, killed his best
friend the passanger. He got five years in the state pen, and a BCD.

Casady

That's why I don't think Tim meant 'DD' when referring to his
discharge.
--
John H

I once shook hands with a pudgy guy who:

Sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii.
Rounded Cape Horn, twice.
Transited the Panama Canal.
Has owned more than 20 boats in his lifetime.
Sailed large boats competitively.
Has been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under his command.

And who set a new record for the most distance covered
and most fish caught in the Chesapeake Bay in the shortest
time!

I think the DD is Defense Department form 214.

The discharge certificates were DD forms. A USAF honorable is DD256AF.

Casady


Maybe that answers a question I had. When I got my Social Security, they
wanted to see the Discharge papers. Why? And I think mine were DD256 and
not a DD214. And I wondered why.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:21:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


The discharge certificates were DD forms. A USAF honorable is DD256AF.

Casady


Maybe that answers a question I had. When I got my Social Security, they
wanted to see the Discharge papers. Why? And I think mine were DD256 and
not a DD214. And I wondered why.

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.
Probably asked for your discharge papers because the SS processing
office wasn't too sharp, or you had an odd earnings history.
I sent in for a DD214 earlier to have when I got SS earlier this year.
Lost mine. Saw it was "needed" according to the SS web site.
But SS never asked for it. The lady told me she didn't need it.
How it works if they use military service year earnings for
calculating benefits. They add some amount of SS earnings for your
years in the service. Different service year ranges get different
amounts added.
This is because servicemen are generally underpaid compared to
civvies, so they have some formula to make up for that.
But the thing is SS calculates your benefits on the 35 years of
highest earnings.
In most cases this won't include any service years.
Part of the application is the years you were in the service.
It's pretty evident from your SS earnings statement whether those
service years are in the top 35 years.
In my statement they are clearly my 4 lowest earning years, so they
were immaterial in calculating my benefits.
That's my understanding of what I've gleaned from the web.
You can get into the weeds of SS law and regs if you want to verify
that. I don't guarantee anything I say. Ever.
Learned that from a sleazy lawyer.

--Vic

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:21:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


The discharge certificates were DD forms. A USAF honorable is DD256AF.

Casady


Maybe that answers a question I had. When I got my Social Security, they
wanted to see the Discharge papers. Why? And I think mine were DD256
and
not a DD214. And I wondered why.

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.
Probably asked for your discharge papers because the SS processing
office wasn't too sharp, or you had an odd earnings history.
I sent in for a DD214 earlier to have when I got SS earlier this year.
Lost mine. Saw it was "needed" according to the SS web site.
But SS never asked for it. The lady told me she didn't need it.
How it works if they use military service year earnings for
calculating benefits. They add some amount of SS earnings for your
years in the service. Different service year ranges get different
amounts added.
This is because servicemen are generally underpaid compared to
civvies, so they have some formula to make up for that.
But the thing is SS calculates your benefits on the 35 years of
highest earnings.
In most cases this won't include any service years.
Part of the application is the years you were in the service.
It's pretty evident from your SS earnings statement whether those
service years are in the top 35 years.
In my statement they are clearly my 4 lowest earning years, so they
were immaterial in calculating my benefits.
That's my understanding of what I've gleaned from the web.
You can get into the weeds of SS law and regs if you want to verify
that. I don't guarantee anything I say. Ever.
Learned that from a sleazy lawyer.

--Vic

Was within $7 of what they said I would be getting on papers sent to me.
And the Military pay was not a lot.

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:49:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:21:22 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


The discharge certificates were DD forms. A USAF honorable is DD256AF.

Casady


Maybe that answers a question I had. When I got my Social Security, they
wanted to see the Discharge papers. Why? And I think mine were DD256 and
not a DD214. And I wondered why.

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.
Probably asked for your discharge papers because the SS processing
office wasn't too sharp, or you had an odd earnings history.
I sent in for a DD214 earlier to have when I got SS earlier this year.
Lost mine. Saw it was "needed" according to the SS web site.
But SS never asked for it. The lady told me she didn't need it.
How it works if they use military service year earnings for
calculating benefits. They add some amount of SS earnings for your
years in the service. Different service year ranges get different
amounts added.
This is because servicemen are generally underpaid compared to
civvies, so they have some formula to make up for that.
But the thing is SS calculates your benefits on the 35 years of
highest earnings.
In most cases this won't include any service years.
Part of the application is the years you were in the service.
It's pretty evident from your SS earnings statement whether those
service years are in the top 35 years.
In my statement they are clearly my 4 lowest earning years, so they
were immaterial in calculating my benefits.
That's my understanding of what I've gleaned from the web.
You can get into the weeds of SS law and regs if you want to verify
that. I don't guarantee anything I say. Ever.
Learned that from a sleazy lawyer.

--Vic

The DD Form 214 is used by *all* the military departments.
--

John H

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:49:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.

DD 214 is not a discharge certificate, particularly when the
individule is not even discharged, but transferred to the reserves.

Those released after their four years would get a discharge
certificate in the mail two years after they left, on expiration of
their reserve committement.

The title of the the DD 214 is Armed Forces Report of Transfer or
DIscharge.

Casady

The nice thing about Marine Corps Base Quantico...
 

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:07:52 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:57:41 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:49:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.

DD 214 is not a discharge certificate, particularly when the
individule is not even discharged, but transferred to the reserves.

Those released after their four years would get a discharge
certificate in the mail two years after they left, on expiration of
their reserve committement.

The title of the the DD 214 is Armed Forces Report of Transfer or
DIscharge.

Casady

So you could have more than one DD214?

As in transferred to reserves (dd214), called up, transferred to
reserves again or discharged (another dd214)?

It is possible to have several DD 214's. One could serve an
enlistment, get out, come back several years later, do it again, and
so on. The last DD214 should show all the service and the breaks and
will be the *official* one.
--

John H

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:57:41 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:49:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.

DD 214 is not a discharge certificate, particularly when the
individule is not even discharged, but transferred to the reserves.

Those released after their four years would get a discharge
certificate in the mail two years after they left, on expiration of
their reserve committement.

The title of the the DD 214 is Armed Forces Report of Transfer or
DIscharge.

Casady

I wonder when the name changed. Mine is "CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR
DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVE DUTY". This is the Nov 88 version, but I don't
think the name's changed.
--

John H

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:08:39 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 06:57:41 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:49:51 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

Why does the AF do it different? I thought they were all DD214.
Maybe Cassady's pulling your leg.

DD 214 is not a discharge certificate, particularly when the
individule is not even discharged, but transferred to the reserves.

Those released after their four years would get a discharge
certificate in the mail two years after they left, on expiration of
their reserve committement.

The title of the the DD 214 is Armed Forces Report of Transfer or
DIscharge.

Casady

I wonder when the name changed. Mine is "CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR
DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVE DUTY". This is the Nov 88 version, but I don't
think the name's changed.

I may be out of date, I typed lots of them in 67 and 68. When someone
reenlisted they got a 214 and a 256, honorable discharge. Then DD 4,
the enlistment.

Casady

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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:07:52 -0400, wrote:

So you could have more than one DD214?

As in transferred to reserves (dd214), called up, transferred to
reserves again or discharged (another dd214)?

Lifers get one every time they reenlist. I did all of those for
Charleston AFB. The transfers to the reserves were mostly from
overseas, as were most of the kickouts. Most separations were for
having so little time left it wasn't worthwhile to reassign them.
Insufficient service retainability for PCS. SDN 411.

Casady