Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Took the Tolman out yesterday. Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Took the Tolman out yesterday. Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular.

--Vic

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Jun 15, 3:54*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch



wrote:
Took the Tolman out yesterday. *Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. *Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. *Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. *She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. *Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. *We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. *We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular.

--Vic

I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 3:54 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch



wrote:
Took the Tolman out yesterday. Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.
What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular.

--Vic

I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.


A decently built sailboat of that size and style sells for twice as much
as the Mac, and I'm not talking top-drawer, either - just ordinary
construction, like, say, a 27' Hunter.



--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Jun 15, 4:48*pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 3:54 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
Took the Tolman out yesterday. *Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. *Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. *Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. *She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. *Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. *We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. *We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.
What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular.

--Vic

I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. *When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. *The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. *Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. *I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.

A decently built sailboat of that size and style sells for twice as much
as the Mac, and I'm not talking top-drawer, either - just ordinary
construction, like, say, a 27' Hunter.

--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

I was never impressed by Hunters. I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Jun 15, 4:56*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 4:48*pm, HK wrote:



Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 3:54 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
Took the Tolman out yesterday. *Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. *Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. *Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. *She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. *Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. *We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. *We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.
What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular.

--Vic

I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. *When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. *The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. *Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. *I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.

A decently built sailboat of that size and style sells for twice as much
as the Mac, and I'm not talking top-drawer, either - just ordinary
construction, like, say, a 27' Hunter.

--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

I was never impressed by Hunters. *I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.

Aside from build quality and seaworthiness, a big issue is how easy is
it to launch. If it is too much of a PITA, our boating would get more
and more infrequent. I'd like to try one for a while including
trailering and setup and using her.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 4:48 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 3:54 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
Took the Tolman out yesterday. Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.
What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular.
--Vic
I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.
A decently built sailboat of that size and style sells for twice as much
as the Mac, and I'm not talking top-drawer, either - just ordinary
construction, like, say, a 27' Hunter.

--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

I was never impressed by Hunters. I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.


Hunter: ordinary construction. Mac: about half the price of a
similar-sized Hunter. Why..that makes the Mac...a bargain!



--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 4:48 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 3:54 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
Took the Tolman out yesterday. Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.
What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular.
--Vic
I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.
A decently built sailboat of that size and style sells for twice as much
as the Mac, and I'm not talking top-drawer, either - just ordinary
construction, like, say, a 27' Hunter.

--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

I was never impressed by Hunters. I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.

Hunters are nice light air sailors. But they will test your metal in
anything over 20 kts. I set out to buy a venture 23 but ended up with a
Hunter 25 instead. That was my last sailboat before I switched to power
and I never looked back.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:48:39 -0400, HK wrote:


I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.


A decently built sailboat of that size and style sells for twice as much
as the Mac, and I'm not talking top-drawer, either - just ordinary
construction, like, say, a 27' Hunter.

Different purpose boats. The Mac 26 will go where Froggie took the
Tolman yesterday. The Hunter won't.

Hunter min draft 3'6"
Mac 26 min draft 12"

Hunter displacement 7,656 lbs.
Mac displacement 2,550 lbs.

Macs are lightly built boats, easily trailered, and economical under
power.
Having read the Mac forums for years, there are very few complaints
about build quality. Some upgrade the factory rigging to heavier
stays.
They are also highly customizable, like the Carolina Skiff, another
high mpg boat - due to lightness of build.
For Florida coastal/harbor/bay/swamp/beach both boats do well.
The CS hulls flap at speed. Some owners glass in a couple 2x4's
to stop that. Makes 'em feel better (-:
Others don't bother.

--Vic

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:56:16 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 15, 4:48*pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 3:54 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
Took the Tolman out yesterday. *Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. *Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. *Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. *She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. *Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. *We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. *We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.
What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular.

--Vic

I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. *When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. *The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. *Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. *I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.

A decently built sailboat of that size and style sells for twice as much
as the Mac, and I'm not talking top-drawer, either - just ordinary
construction, like, say, a 27' Hunter.

--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

I was never impressed by Hunters. I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.

Harry knows about all there is to know about sailboats and sailing.
He's been around the Horn a couple times.

Pay him heed.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 4:56 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 4:48 pm, HK wrote:



Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 3:54 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
Took the Tolman out yesterday. Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.
What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular.
--Vic
I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.
A decently built sailboat of that size and style sells for twice as much
as the Mac, and I'm not talking top-drawer, either - just ordinary
construction, like, say, a 27' Hunter.
--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.
I was never impressed by Hunters. I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.

Aside from build quality and seaworthiness, a big issue is how easy is
it to launch. If it is too much of a PITA, our boating would get more
and more infrequent. I'd like to try one for a while including
trailering and setup and using her.


So, visit a dealer and ask for a demo. There's a video on the Mac site
that shows the boat purportedly "handing" gale force winds, but I don't
believe the winds were as high as claimed, and...whoever is handling the
boat is keeping it in the troughs, not attacking the waves at any sort
of angle.

Hey...get whatever boat that "floats" what you want to do. There's no
shortage of barely used sailboats around these days, and at pennies on
the dollar.

BTW, won't a decent trailer for that 26-footer run you at least $6,000?
I paid more than $3500 for the trailer under my current Parker.




--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:59:28 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:



I was never impressed by Hunters. Â*I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.

Go here
http://macgregorsailors.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=9
All you want to know from owners.
They aren't afraid to admit the boat's limitations.

Aside from build quality and seaworthiness, a big issue is how easy is
it to launch. If it is too much of a PITA, our boating would get more
and more infrequent. I'd like to try one for a while including
trailering and setup and using her.

Think I saw on the site above a discussion about launching.
Recall one guy can launch and rig in less than 1/2 hour.
Launching is like any other boat, but then you have raise the mast.
Or maybe you do that before you launch.
Recall a couple cases of guys hitting their masts on tree branches or
something.

--Vic

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Jun 15, 5:49*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:59:28 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:

I was never impressed by Hunters. *I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.

Go herehttp://macgregorsailors.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=9
All you want to know from owners.
They aren't afraid to admit the boat's limitations.

Aside from build quality and seaworthiness, a big issue is how easy is
it to launch. *If it is too much of a PITA, our boating would get more
and more infrequent. *I'd like to try one for a while including
trailering and setup and using her.

Think I saw on the site above a discussion about launching.
Recall one guy can launch and rig in less than 1/2 hour.
Launching is like any other boat, but then you have raise the mast.
Or maybe you do that before you launch.
Recall a couple cases of guys hitting their masts on tree branches or
something.

--Vic

Vic:

What some people consider a PITA others consider to be nothing. I was
once shocked to hear my wife say she thought launching the Tolman to
be a PITA whereas I am really happy it is so simple compared to
putting sails away etc. You really cannot tell until you do it
several times.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 5:49 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:59:28 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:

I was never impressed by Hunters. I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.
Go herehttp://macgregorsailors.com/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=9
All you want to know from owners.
They aren't afraid to admit the boat's limitations.

Aside from build quality and seaworthiness, a big issue is how easy is
it to launch. If it is too much of a PITA, our boating would get more
and more infrequent. I'd like to try one for a while including
trailering and setup and using her.
Think I saw on the site above a discussion about launching.
Recall one guy can launch and rig in less than 1/2 hour.
Launching is like any other boat, but then you have raise the mast.
Or maybe you do that before you launch.
Recall a couple cases of guys hitting their masts on tree branches or
something.

--Vic

Vic:

What some people consider a PITA others consider to be nothing. I was
once shocked to hear my wife say she thought launching the Tolman to
be a PITA whereas I am really happy it is so simple compared to
putting sails away etc. You really cannot tell until you do it
several times.

It took me about 15 minutes to launch my 25' Parker singlehanded, and
that included parking the trailer after the boat was splashed. Wouldn't
you have to step the mast on that sailboat and tighten the shrouds? Or
do you have to fill the bilge with ballast water before you rig the
mast, so the boat doesn't blow over?




--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
Took the Tolman out yesterday. Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.


No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
Took the Tolman out yesterday. Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.


No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.


Yup, a crew of at least one.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:39:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
. ..

No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.


Yup, a crew of at least one.

Not even. My sailboat would continue along just fine if I fell off
while singlehanding.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Steve wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:39:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Yup, a crew of at least one.

Not even. My sailboat would continue along just fine if I fell off
while singlehanding.

Do you have wheel steering?

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

"jim 0010" wrote in message
...
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 4:48 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 3:54 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
Took the Tolman out yesterday. Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act
of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just
out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would
be.
What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular.
--Vic
I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.
A decently built sailboat of that size and style sells for twice as much
as the Mac, and I'm not talking top-drawer, either - just ordinary
construction, like, say, a 27' Hunter.

--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

I was never impressed by Hunters. I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.

Hunters are nice light air sailors. But they will test your metal in
anything over 20 kts. I set out to buy a venture 23 but ended up with a
Hunter 25 instead. That was my last sailboat before I switched to power
and I never looked back.

From the models I've been on (22, 27, 36) I think Hunter is the best
moderately priced manufacturer for interior layouts (great use of space) and
are great for in and near shore. That said, I wouldn't hesitate to take a 27
to the Bahamas unless the weather was crap and who'd want to go then anyway?

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Jun 15, 5:43*pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 4:56 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 4:48 pm, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 3:54 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
Took the Tolman out yesterday. *Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. *Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. *Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. *She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. *Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. *We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. *We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.
What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular..
--Vic
I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. *When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. *The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. *Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. *I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.
A decently built sailboat of that size and style sells for twice as much
as the Mac, and I'm not talking top-drawer, either - just ordinary
construction, like, say, a 27' Hunter.
--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.
I was never impressed by Hunters. *I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.

Aside from build quality and seaworthiness, a big issue is how easy is
it to launch. *If it is too much of a PITA, our boating would get more
and more infrequent. *I'd like to try one for a while including
trailering and setup and using her.

So, visit a dealer and ask for a demo. There's a video on the Mac site
that shows the boat purportedly "handing" gale force winds, but I don't
believe the winds were as high as claimed, and...whoever is handling the
boat is keeping it in the troughs, not attacking the waves at any sort
of angle.

First of all, what is "handing" gale force winds? Secondly, if you
meant handling, it did so. He was on top of them often. Once again,
because you don't like them, they are not worth anyone owning. WAFA

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Jun 15, 6:57*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message

...





Took the Tolman out yesterday. *Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. *Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. *Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. *She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. *Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. *We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. *We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You bet, you can't get one untied from the dock without at least a
crew of one!

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Jun 16, 12:39*am, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message

...







"Frogwatch" wrote in message
....
Took the Tolman out yesterday. *Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. *Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. *Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. *She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. *Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. *We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. *We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be..

No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Yup, a crew of at least one.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

GMTA!

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

mmc wrote:
"jim 0010" wrote in message
...
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 4:48 pm, HK wrote:
Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 15, 3:54 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:
Took the Tolman out yesterday. Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act
of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just
out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would
be.
What you've said is probably a good reason the Mac 26 is so popular.
--Vic
I believe that boats like the Mac 26 are the future of sailboat
sales. When you consider the cost of keeping a boat in a slip, few
young couples can afford it. The Mac26 makes having a reasonable
sized boat affordable.
I will also argue that if used as intended, the Mac26 is probably
safer than most other sailboats because she can quickly get back to
port when it gets nasty out there. Her trailerability makes her far
more useful than most heavy boats.
Unfortunately, Macgregor has reputation for poor quality due to their
old line of Venture boats. I do not know how their reputation for
quality is right now.
A decently built sailboat of that size and style sells for twice as much
as the Mac, and I'm not talking top-drawer, either - just ordinary
construction, like, say, a 27' Hunter.

--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.
I was never impressed by Hunters. I'd like to see a truly
dispassionate evaluation of the Mac26 quality but mention them on any
sailing site and you instantly get flamed.
Hunters are nice light air sailors. But they will test your metal in
anything over 20 kts. I set out to buy a venture 23 but ended up with a
Hunter 25 instead. That was my last sailboat before I switched to power
and I never looked back.

From the models I've been on (22, 27, 36) I think Hunter is the best
moderately priced manufacturer for interior layouts (great use of space) and
are great for in and near shore. That said, I wouldn't hesitate to take a 27
to the Bahamas unless the weather was crap and who'd want to go then anyway?


The 27 is a different boat. My experience was with a 25 which is much
smaller and lighter. I believe it's taller too. I've had some pretty
interesting sails with it mostly due to my own inexperience and stupidity.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

The ideal would be to have 2 or 3 of each type because no one boat is
suitable for everything.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Jun 16, 1:22*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:40:20 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

The ideal would be to have 2 or 3 of each type because no one boat is
suitable for everything. *

Yep... on a lake you need a pontoon, a ski boat, and some kind of
runabout. Or just a performance tri-toon!

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:48:32 -0400, Jim22
wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:39:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Yup, a crew of at least one.

Not even. My sailboat would continue along just fine if I fell off
while singlehanding.

Do you have wheel steering?

Yes

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Steve wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:48:32 -0400, Jim22
wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:39:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Yup, a crew of at least one.
Not even. My sailboat would continue along just fine if I fell off
while singlehanding.
Do you have wheel steering?

Yes
It would be much harder to do with tiller steering.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Don White wrote:
"Frogwatch" wrote in message
...
Took the Tolman out yesterday. Went far up the Ocklocknee River from
Ocklocknee River State park to where it looked like the river scenes
from Apocalypse Now. Side channels all over, swampy, muggy as hell
and gators everywhere. Stopped at an isolated landing way up there
and looked around.
Later, my wife remarked that although ti had been fun, she was bored
when I drove the boat for a long time and she did not like driving
it. She thinks she does a lot when we go sailing, in reality, she is
mostly an encumbrance when we sail but she thinks she helps.
This got me thinking about the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.


No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.



You are very minimal, dummy. Go sail...away.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:39:15 -0400, Jim wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:48:32 -0400, Jim22
wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:39:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Yup, a crew of at least one.
Not even. My sailboat would continue along just fine if I fell off
while singlehanding.
Do you have wheel steering?

Yes
It would be much harder to do with tiller steering.

Not really if you tie the tiller off, something that's common for
singlehanders to do if they need to leave the tiller for a bit.
There's even a knot called a tiller's hitch just for that purpose.

And if you have a tiller pilot, all bets are off.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Steve wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:39:15 -0400, Jim wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:48:32 -0400, Jim22
wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:39:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Yup, a crew of at least one.
Not even. My sailboat would continue along just fine if I fell off
while singlehanding.
Do you have wheel steering?
Yes
It would be much harder to do with tiller steering.

Not really if you tie the tiller off, something that's common for
singlehanders to do if they need to leave the tiller for a bit.
There's even a knot called a tiller's hitch just for that purpose.

And if you have a tiller pilot, all bets are off.

Right on both counts. What I had in mind is setting sails to give you a
neutral helm. I wasn't able to do it too often but when conditions are
right you can hold a course for a long while. I think it involves
running wing on wing but it's been so long, I really don't remember.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:57:56 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.


No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Two things. The inland areas of the country are dotted with lakes with
absolutely nowhere to go but fishing spots. Ever hear of water skiing?

As for crew, ever hear of a Sunfish? Or a Laser? My father never had
a crew for the Iowa schooner, even in winds that were too heavy for
the scows or sunfish.

Casady

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:37:44 -0400, Jim222
wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:39:15 -0400, Jim wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:48:32 -0400, Jim22
wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:39:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...
No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Yup, a crew of at least one.
Not even. My sailboat would continue along just fine if I fell off
while singlehanding.
Do you have wheel steering?
Yes
It would be much harder to do with tiller steering.

Not really if you tie the tiller off, something that's common for
singlehanders to do if they need to leave the tiller for a bit.
There's even a knot called a tiller's hitch just for that purpose.

And if you have a tiller pilot, all bets are off.

Right on both counts. What I had in mind is setting sails to give you a
neutral helm. I wasn't able to do it too often but when conditions are
right you can hold a course for a long while. I think it involves
running wing on wing but it's been so long, I really don't remember.

I don't have an autopilot on my boat yet I have it set up so that it
has the proper rake of the mast and with the proper trim of the sails
I can go for miles and miles within a few degrees of my intended
course with the wheel locked unattended.

It doesn't work wing on wing. Wing on wing is a real pain in the ass,
requiring constant attention. Especially when there's waves involved.
Even autopilots don't work well, or at all wing on wing. It also
doesn't work well close hauled. Wing on wing requires attention so
you don't jibe. Close hauled requires attention so you don't stall.

But on a reach or broad reach, works great.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:57:56 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Two things. The inland areas of the country are dotted with lakes with
absolutely nowhere to go but fishing spots. Ever hear of water skiing?

As for crew, ever hear of a Sunfish? Or a Laser? My father never had
a crew for the Iowa schooner, even in winds that were too heavy for
the scows or sunfish.

Casady




For a real heart-stopping experience, visit Lake Anna in Virginia any
nice summer weekend. Wear body armor. If you're not run over by a
jetskier or some low-forehead idiot in an 80 mph bassboat, you'll be
snagged by a treble hook. Oh...and lots of unmarked sandbars.

People pay big money to live along the shores of that lake. Friend who
lives near it says the mid-week fishing isn't bad if you get out on the
water before the crazies wake up from their previous evening Bud Light
orgies.

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:57:56 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Two things. The inland areas of the country are dotted with lakes with
absolutely nowhere to go but fishing spots. Ever hear of water skiing?

As for crew, ever hear of a Sunfish? Or a Laser? My father never had
a crew for the Iowa schooner, even in winds that were too heavy for
the scows or sunfish.

Casady

crickets

You have the dummy over a barrel.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:07:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

What some people consider a PITA others consider to be nothing. I was
once shocked to hear my wife say she thought launching the Tolman to
be a PITA whereas I am really happy it is so simple compared to
putting sails away etc. You really cannot tell until you do it
several times.

I think the ultimate tough to launch has to be the A Scow. Only 1850
pounds, but 38 feet long. I don't know how long the mast is.

Casady

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding. I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
...... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding. I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
..... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick

That's for sure. I'd never touch one of those big bloated looking Mac 26s.
I love the lines of a sleek traditional sloop.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:57:50 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding. I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
..... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick

That's for sure. I'd never touch one of those big bloated looking Mac 26s.
I love the lines of a sleek traditional sloop.

I feel the same about RAV4's. (-:
To each his own.
I've read that the Mac 26 has been the best selling "sailboat" for
years. Don't have the numbers though.

--Vic

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:57:50 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.
I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding. I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
..... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick
That's for sure. I'd never touch one of those big bloated looking Mac 26s.
I love the lines of a sleek traditional sloop.

I feel the same about RAV4's. (-:
To each his own.
I've read that the Mac 26 has been the best selling "sailboat" for
years. Don't have the numbers though.

--Vic


Have you ever seen a picture of Donny's old traditional sleek sloop?

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:05:33 -0400, Jim24242
wrote:



Have you ever seen a picture of Donny's old traditional sleek sloop?

Think I did. Don't know if was a sloop. But it was nice looking.
As I recall, Don's boat has its fans, as do most.
But like I said, to each his own.
Some care about looks, and some care about other things.
The Mac 26 has its advantages.
I won't bother to list them. BTDT.

--Vic