Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Jun 21, 12:16*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:05:33 -0400, Jim24242
wrote:



Have you ever seen a picture of Donny's old traditional sleek sloop?

Think I did. *Don't know if was a sloop. *But it was nice looking.
As I recall, Don's boat has its fans, as do most.
But like I said, to each his own.
Some care about looks, and some care about other things.
The Mac 26 has its advantages.
I won't bother to list them. *BTDT.

--Vic

The reality is that here in N. FL, sailing goes from late October to
early June and then the wind dies and it is simply too hot to sit and
bake. I use the powerboat in those summer months. It does involve a
change of mental perspective that takes a few weeks to sink in.

Frogwatch

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

"Jim24242" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:57:50 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would
be.
I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding. I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
..... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick
That's for sure. I'd never touch one of those big bloated looking Mac
26s.
I love the lines of a sleek traditional sloop.
I feel the same about RAV4's. (-:
To each his own.
I've read that the Mac 26 has been the best selling "sailboat" for
years. Don't have the numbers though.

--Vic
Have you ever seen a picture of Donny's old traditional sleek sloop?

I haven't owned one 'yet', O Stinky One.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Don White wrote:
"Jim24242" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:57:50 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would
be.
I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding. I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
..... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick
That's for sure. I'd never touch one of those big bloated looking Mac
26s.
I love the lines of a sleek traditional sloop.
I feel the same about RAV4's. (-:
To each his own.
I've read that the Mac 26 has been the best selling "sailboat" for
years. Don't have the numbers though.

--Vic
Have you ever seen a picture of Donny's old traditional sleek sloop?

I haven't owned one 'yet', O Stinky One.



Kinda funny that floridajim talks about the boats of others, yet doesn't
have the balls to discuss what brand, model, and year of boat he claims
to own.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Jim24242" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:57:50 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the
act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just
out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it
would be.
I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there
are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate
over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding.
I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
..... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many
people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick
That's for sure. I'd never touch one of those big bloated looking
Mac 26s.
I love the lines of a sleek traditional sloop.
I feel the same about RAV4's. (-:
To each his own.
I've read that the Mac 26 has been the best selling "sailboat" for
years. Don't have the numbers though.

--Vic
Have you ever seen a picture of Donny's old traditional sleek sloop?

I haven't owned one 'yet', O Stinky One.


Kinda funny that floridajim talks about the boats of others, yet doesn't
have the balls to discuss what brand, model, and year of boat he claims
to own.

Now he wants brand model and year. I wonder what he would do with that
information, if he had it.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Don White wrote:
"Jim24242" wrote in message
...
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:57:50 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would
be.
I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding. I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
..... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick
That's for sure. I'd never touch one of those big bloated looking Mac
26s.
I love the lines of a sleek traditional sloop.
I feel the same about RAV4's. (-:
To each his own.
I've read that the Mac 26 has been the best selling "sailboat" for
years. Don't have the numbers though.

--Vic
Have you ever seen a picture of Donny's old traditional sleek sloop?

I haven't owned one 'yet', O Stinky One.


Then what would you call that boat you used to drag around with your
little red truck?

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:36:12 -0400, HK wrote:


Such a keel you would not believe, and a barn door of a rudder:

Damn, that is one hell of a keel for such a small boat. Sweet lines.

http://www.l16.org/images/frb/Adagio_256.jpg

In its day, many thought it the most beautiful sailboat ever, in or out
of the water.


These were production sailboats, built in southern Connecticut.

In it's day, Connecticut built quite a few sailboats. IINM, Etchells
were also built there. Probably had something to do with it's closeness
to Long Island Sound. ;-)

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:25:50 -0300, Don White wrote:


Fun to launch...although if you have a half decent tide in your area,
you could back the trailer as far as possible at mean low tide and hope
the boat floats off at the next high tide.

Frankly, from the looks of that trailer, I would expect it's only for
yard use. The boat is probably crane launched.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:36:12 -0400, HK wrote:


Such a keel you would not believe, and a barn door of a rudder:

Damn, that is one hell of a keel for such a small boat. Sweet lines.

http://www.l16.org/images/frb/Adagio_256.jpg

In its day, many thought it the most beautiful sailboat ever, in or out
of the water.


These were production sailboats, built in southern Connecticut.

In it's day, Connecticut built quite a few sailboats. IINM, Etchells
were also built there. Probably had something to do with it's closeness
to Long Island Sound. ;-)



And the most highly skilled workforce in the country. Before, during and
after WW II, New England generally and Connecticut specifically was
considered the "arsenal of America," and where most machine tools were
manufacturered, and, of course, helicopters, nuclear submarines,
firearms, and ammo. No more.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Jun 21, 9:28*pm, HK wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:36:12 -0400, HK wrote:

Such a keel you would not believe, and a barn door of a rudder:

Damn, that is one hell of a keel for such a small boat. *Sweet lines.

http://www.l16.org/images/frb/Adagio_256.jpg

In its day, many thought it the most beautiful sailboat ever, in or out
of the water.

These were production sailboats, built in southern Connecticut.

In it's day, Connecticut built quite a few sailboats. *IINM, Etchells
were also built there. *Probably had something to do with it's closeness
to Long Island Sound. ;-)

And the most highly skilled workforce in the country. Before, during and
after WW II, New England generally and Connecticut specifically was
considered the "arsenal of America," and where most machine tools were
manufacturered, and, of course, helicopters, nuclear submarines,
firearms, and ammo. No more.

They just needed a bailout to keep making unneeded stuff.
Frogwatch

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:41:07 GMT, Steve wrote:

I think it involves
running wing on wing but it's been so long, I really don't remember.

I don't have an autopilot on my boat yet I have it set up so that it
has the proper rake of the mast and with the proper trim of the sails
I can go for miles and miles within a few degrees of my intended
course with the wheel locked unattended.

It doesn't work wing on wing. Wing on wing is a real pain in the ass,
requiring constant attention. Especially when there's waves involved.
Even autopilots don't work well, or at all wing on wing. It also
doesn't work well close hauled. Wing on wing requires attention so
you don't jibe. Close hauled requires attention so you don't stall.

But on a reach or broad reach, works great.

The old time single handed sailors had a self steering solution for
down wind sailing called a double head rig, essentially two jibs
hanked to a single headstay or sometimes to twin headstays, with a
whisker pole for each jib. They'd drop the mainsail completely. The
sheet from each jib was led to the tiller which would stay centered
when each jib was pulling equally, and self correct if the boat
started to head up.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

wrote:
On Jun 21, 9:28 pm, HK wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:36:12 -0400, HK wrote:
Such a keel you would not believe, and a barn door of a rudder:
Damn, that is one hell of a keel for such a small boat. Sweet lines.
http://www.l16.org/images/frb/Adagio_256.jpg
In its day, many thought it the most beautiful sailboat ever, in or out
of the water.
These were production sailboats, built in southern Connecticut.
In it's day, Connecticut built quite a few sailboats. IINM, Etchells
were also built there. Probably had something to do with it's closeness
to Long Island Sound. ;-)
And the most highly skilled workforce in the country. Before, during and
after WW II, New England generally and Connecticut specifically was
considered the "arsenal of America," and where most machine tools were
manufacturered, and, of course, helicopters, nuclear submarines,
firearms, and ammo. No more.

They just needed a bailout to keep making unneeded stuff.
Frogwatch


Naw...we devolved from a manufacturing country to a pussypushingpaper
country.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 21, 9:28 pm, HK wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:36:12 -0400, HK wrote:
Such a keel you would not believe, and a barn door of a rudder:
Damn, that is one hell of a keel for such a small boat. Sweet lines.
http://www.l16.org/images/frb/Adagio_256.jpg
In its day, many thought it the most beautiful sailboat ever, in or
out
of the water.
These were production sailboats, built in southern Connecticut.
In it's day, Connecticut built quite a few sailboats. IINM, Etchells
were also built there. Probably had something to do with it's
closeness
to Long Island Sound. ;-)
And the most highly skilled workforce in the country. Before, during and
after WW II, New England generally and Connecticut specifically was
considered the "arsenal of America," and where most machine tools were
manufacturered, and, of course, helicopters, nuclear submarines,
firearms, and ammo. No more.

They just needed a bailout to keep making unneeded stuff.
Frogwatch


Naw...we devolved from a manufacturing country to a pussypushingpaper
country.

Do you think the overhead of union operations and unrealistic worker pay
scales, rigid job descriptions, strikes, slowdowns, crazy benefit
packages, corruption, and extortion practices had anything to do with
it? The cost of all this, remember, gets passed on to the consumer. It's
no wonder that the average non union consumer thumbed his nose at the
union label. Products turned out by union worforces were often
substandard due in part to lack of pride in workmanship, dedication to
the job, and to management having to skimp on materials to cover
exorbitant union related costs.

Thank you very much, Mr. Krause for your dedicated efforts to help bring
down America.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Jim wrote:
HK wrote:
wrote:
On Jun 21, 9:28 pm, HK wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:36:12 -0400, HK wrote:
Such a keel you would not believe, and a barn door of a rudder:
Damn, that is one hell of a keel for such a small boat. Sweet lines.
http://www.l16.org/images/frb/Adagio_256.jpg
In its day, many thought it the most beautiful sailboat ever, in
or out
of the water.
These were production sailboats, built in southern Connecticut.
In it's day, Connecticut built quite a few sailboats. IINM, Etchells
were also built there. Probably had something to do with it's
closeness
to Long Island Sound. ;-)
And the most highly skilled workforce in the country. Before, during
and
after WW II, New England generally and Connecticut specifically was
considered the "arsenal of America," and where most machine tools were
manufacturered, and, of course, helicopters, nuclear submarines,
firearms, and ammo. No more.

They just needed a bailout to keep making unneeded stuff.
Frogwatch


Naw...we devolved from a manufacturing country to a pussypushingpaper
country.

Do you think the overhead of union operations and unrealistic worker pay
scales, rigid job descriptions, strikes, slowdowns, crazy benefit
packages, corruption, and extortion practices had anything to do with
it? The cost of all this, remember, gets passed on to the consumer. It's
no wonder that the average non union consumer thumbed his nose at the
union label. Products turned out by union worforces were often
substandard due in part to lack of pride in workmanship, dedication to
the job, and to management having to skimp on materials to cover
exorbitant union related costs.

Thank you very much, Mr. Krause for your dedicated efforts to help bring
down America.

The same is happening in the "service" industries now. Beware the fall
of the USA, 50 years from now will be very different that 5 years ago.
Obama is accelerating the downfall.

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:30:23 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker
wrote:

That's him leaving for a trans-Atlantic trip in a 16 foot sailboat!!!!!

It was done fifty years ago. A guy in England had a Fol-Bot, a big
suitcase that turns into a wood frame canvas boat. Cost him $1.86 to
go through the Panama Canal.

Casady

Sailboats vs powerboats
 

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 05:30:23 -0700 (PDT), Loogypicker
wrote:

That's him leaving for a trans-Atlantic trip in a 16 foot sailboat!!!!!

It was done fifty years ago. A guy in England had a Fol-Bot, a big
suitcase that turns into a wood frame canvas boat. Cost him $1.86 to
go through the Panama Canal.

Casady


To travel across lake lanier in georgia in either loogy's or
floridajim's boat, well...first they'd have to get a boat.