On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:57:56 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.


No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Two things. The inland areas of the country are dotted with lakes with
absolutely nowhere to go but fishing spots. Ever hear of water skiing?

As for crew, ever hear of a Sunfish? Or a Laser? My father never had
a crew for the Iowa schooner, even in winds that were too heavy for
the scows or sunfish.

Casady

On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 08:37:44 -0400, Jim222
wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:39:15 -0400, Jim wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:48:32 -0400, Jim22
wrote:

Steve wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:39:41 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
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No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Yup, a crew of at least one.
Not even. My sailboat would continue along just fine if I fell off
while singlehanding.
Do you have wheel steering?
Yes
It would be much harder to do with tiller steering.

Not really if you tie the tiller off, something that's common for
singlehanders to do if they need to leave the tiller for a bit.
There's even a knot called a tiller's hitch just for that purpose.

And if you have a tiller pilot, all bets are off.

Right on both counts. What I had in mind is setting sails to give you a
neutral helm. I wasn't able to do it too often but when conditions are
right you can hold a course for a long while. I think it involves
running wing on wing but it's been so long, I really don't remember.

I don't have an autopilot on my boat yet I have it set up so that it
has the proper rake of the mast and with the proper trim of the sails
I can go for miles and miles within a few degrees of my intended
course with the wheel locked unattended.

It doesn't work wing on wing. Wing on wing is a real pain in the ass,
requiring constant attention. Especially when there's waves involved.
Even autopilots don't work well, or at all wing on wing. It also
doesn't work well close hauled. Wing on wing requires attention so
you don't jibe. Close hauled requires attention so you don't stall.

But on a reach or broad reach, works great.

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:57:56 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Two things. The inland areas of the country are dotted with lakes with
absolutely nowhere to go but fishing spots. Ever hear of water skiing?

As for crew, ever hear of a Sunfish? Or a Laser? My father never had
a crew for the Iowa schooner, even in winds that were too heavy for
the scows or sunfish.

Casady




For a real heart-stopping experience, visit Lake Anna in Virginia any
nice summer weekend. Wear body armor. If you're not run over by a
jetskier or some low-forehead idiot in an 80 mph bassboat, you'll be
snagged by a treble hook. Oh...and lots of unmarked sandbars.

People pay big money to live along the shores of that lake. Friend who
lives near it says the mid-week fishing isn't bad if you get out on the
water before the crazies wake up from their previous evening Bud Light
orgies.

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:57:56 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

No doubt in my mind.
Trouble is, a minimal crew is needed for any kind of a sailboat.

Two things. The inland areas of the country are dotted with lakes with
absolutely nowhere to go but fishing spots. Ever hear of water skiing?

As for crew, ever hear of a Sunfish? Or a Laser? My father never had
a crew for the Iowa schooner, even in winds that were too heavy for
the scows or sunfish.

Casady

crickets

You have the dummy over a barrel.

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:07:59 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

What some people consider a PITA others consider to be nothing. I was
once shocked to hear my wife say she thought launching the Tolman to
be a PITA whereas I am really happy it is so simple compared to
putting sails away etc. You really cannot tell until you do it
several times.

I think the ultimate tough to launch has to be the A Scow. Only 1850
pounds, but 38 feet long. I don't know how long the mast is.

Casady

On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding. I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
...... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick

wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding. I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
..... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick

That's for sure. I'd never touch one of those big bloated looking Mac 26s.
I love the lines of a sleek traditional sloop.

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:57:50 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.

I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding. I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
..... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick

That's for sure. I'd never touch one of those big bloated looking Mac 26s.
I love the lines of a sleek traditional sloop.

I feel the same about RAV4's. (-:
To each his own.
I've read that the Mac 26 has been the best selling "sailboat" for
years. Don't have the numbers though.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 00:57:50 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Jun 09, Frogwatch wrote:
the two forms of boating and realized they
have entirely different motives. Sailing is ussually about the act of
boating, ie the actual sailing whereas powerboating is mostly about
using the boat to go places. We go sailing for a day without going
anywhere, just back and forth across Apalachee Bay or just out-as-far-
as-we-can-go. We always use the powerboat to go someplace cool (ok,
in this case really hot).
If I had to choose one over the other, I do not know which it would be.
I was right there with ya until you mentioned, up there somewhere,
that a Mac 26 would be the future of sailboat sales. I think there are
too many anti-sailors and too many anti-powerboaters in the world for
a one boat compromise to ever become very popular (even though the
salespitch makes sense to those of us who like both).. But I
completely agree they're two completely different sports. Like the
difference between football and basketball, and I find the debate over
one being better than the other,an excercise in misunderstanding. I've
been trying to convince both my sailing buddies and my powerboat
buddies of that for years but both camps seem to be stuck in their
viewpoints.

I don't know what I'd choose, if I had to choose. Probably sail, but
..... well crap. I ain't given' up either one!

Anyhow, I think you've already found the best compromise. Own a
sailboat AND a powerboat. You wouldn't buy a pregnant looking
basket/foot ball and try to play both games at once (with a hoop on
one end of a court/field and a goal line on the other.

And I'm not saying a Mac 26 is a bad idea. It's great for many people,
obviously. I just don't think a compromise will ever approach the
popularity of either sail or power.

Rick
That's for sure. I'd never touch one of those big bloated looking Mac 26s.
I love the lines of a sleek traditional sloop.

I feel the same about RAV4's. (-:
To each his own.
I've read that the Mac 26 has been the best selling "sailboat" for
years. Don't have the numbers though.

--Vic


Have you ever seen a picture of Donny's old traditional sleek sloop?

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:05:33 -0400, Jim24242
wrote:



Have you ever seen a picture of Donny's old traditional sleek sloop?

Think I did. Don't know if was a sloop. But it was nice looking.
As I recall, Don's boat has its fans, as do most.
But like I said, to each his own.
Some care about looks, and some care about other things.
The Mac 26 has its advantages.
I won't bother to list them. BTDT.

--Vic