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Food for the thoughts of those who can think
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:48:30 -0400, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:01:56 -0400, wrote: That is the part they don't want to talk about. People expect the same level of service but they deny how much it will cost. If you add 41,000,000 uninsured to the system, at the same level of service, overall cost will go up by a proportional amount. If you assume a significant number of these families can't afford $8,000-10,000 a year, that will get passed along to those who can. Even Obama is out there trying to tell people this is not going to be "free" medical care, but they won't actually put real numbers to it. I've heard the Reps say that there "EVERYBODY ALREADY HAS HEALTH CARE!!" Nobody is turned away from the emergency room. *That* is absolutely bull****. Must not be getting publicized if it's happening. Last time I heard about it was in late '80's, under Bush I. A young guy - early 20's I think - went to an E-room in Tennessee or Kentucky. Indigent, and diabetic. Needed a shot of insulin. Hospital had seen him before, and the claims boss told a nurse crew to put him in the local park. He was a deadbeat. They propped him under a tree, where he died a bit later. Passers-by found him there. Smile on his face probably, leaves mirrored in the faded light of his eyes. Not a bad way to go, under a tree. The hospital gets kudos for that touch. There was probably a dumpster closer by. --Vic |
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Food for the thoughts of those who can think
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:48:30 -0400, HK wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:01:56 -0400, wrote: That is the part they don't want to talk about. People expect the same level of service but they deny how much it will cost. If you add 41,000,000 uninsured to the system, at the same level of service, overall cost will go up by a proportional amount. If you assume a significant number of these families can't afford $8,000-10,000 a year, that will get passed along to those who can. Even Obama is out there trying to tell people this is not going to be "free" medical care, but they won't actually put real numbers to it. I've heard the Reps say that there "EVERYBODY ALREADY HAS HEALTH CARE!!" Nobody is turned away from the emergency room. *That* is absolutely bull****. Must not be getting publicized if it's happening. Last time I heard about it was in late '80's, under Bush I. A young guy - early 20's I think - went to an E-room in Tennessee or Kentucky. Indigent, and diabetic. Needed a shot of insulin. Hospital had seen him before, and the claims boss told a nurse crew to put him in the local park. He was a deadbeat. They propped him under a tree, where he died a bit later. Passers-by found him there. Smile on his face probably, leaves mirrored in the faded light of his eyes. Not a bad way to go, under a tree. The hospital gets kudos for that touch. There was probably a dumpster closer by. --Vic It's a wonderfully kept secret. The uninsured are underserved. Many hospitals have shut down their ER's just so they don't have to deal with indigent patients. Others deliberately make the indigent sit in waiting rooms for hours and hours, in the hope they'll leave. And if they do get seen and happen to have a really serious ailment, they'll get minimal attention, treatment and medication. Many of the newly jobless and now newly without health care insurance haven't yet qualified for medicaid, and they may not qualify at all for several reasons. The safety net that used to help the poor was pretty much ripped asunder when community owned hospitals gave way to make room for private, for-profit hospitals, or were turned into the latter. There's something really repugnant about the sorts of profits insurance and pharma companies earn in this country. There are very few other places on earth where such is tolerated. Your "diabetic case" refers to patient dumping. It's common. -- The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a gang of moral nihilists. |
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Food for the thoughts of those who can think
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:48:30 -0400, HK wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:01:56 -0400, wrote: That is the part they don't want to talk about. People expect the same level of service but they deny how much it will cost. If you add 41,000,000 uninsured to the system, at the same level of service, overall cost will go up by a proportional amount. If you assume a significant number of these families can't afford $8,000-10,000 a year, that will get passed along to those who can. Even Obama is out there trying to tell people this is not going to be "free" medical care, but they won't actually put real numbers to it. I've heard the Reps say that there "EVERYBODY ALREADY HAS HEALTH CARE!!" Nobody is turned away from the emergency room. *That* is absolutely bull****. Must not be getting publicized if it's happening. Last time I heard about it was in late '80's, under Bush I. A young guy - early 20's I think - went to an E-room in Tennessee or Kentucky. Indigent, and diabetic. Needed a shot of insulin. Hospital had seen him before, and the claims boss told a nurse crew to put him in the local park. He was a deadbeat. They propped him under a tree, where he died a bit later. Passers-by found him there. Smile on his face probably, leaves mirrored in the faded light of his eyes. Not a bad way to go, under a tree. The hospital gets kudos for that touch. There was probably a dumpster closer by. --Vic It's a wonderfully kept secret. The uninsured are underserved. Many hospitals have shut down their ER's just so they don't have to deal with indigent patients. Others deliberately make the indigent sit in waiting rooms for hours and hours, in the hope they'll leave. And if they do get seen and happen to have a really serious ailment, they'll get minimal attention, treatment and medication. Many of the newly jobless and now newly without health care insurance haven't yet qualified for medicaid, and they may not qualify at all for several reasons. The safety net that used to help the poor was pretty much ripped asunder when community owned hospitals gave way to make room for private, for-profit hospitals, or were turned into the latter. There's something really repugnant about the sorts of profits insurance and pharma companies earn in this country. There are very few other places on earth where such is tolerated. Your "diabetic case" refers to patient dumping. It's common. One of the major hospital systems in Florida is run by the Adventists. The homeless and illegals fill the emergency rooms. They get admitted and treated the same way a paying or insured gets treated. Some of them are treated so well that they don't want to leave. Many are repeat customers, feigning illness to get free room and board. Thank god for religeous based medical care institutions. Eh Krausie. |
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Food for the thoughts of those who can think
HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:48:30 -0400, HK wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:01:56 -0400, wrote: That is the part they don't want to talk about. People expect the same level of service but they deny how much it will cost. If you add 41,000,000 uninsured to the system, at the same level of service, overall cost will go up by a proportional amount. If you assume a significant number of these families can't afford $8,000-10,000 a year, that will get passed along to those who can. Even Obama is out there trying to tell people this is not going to be "free" medical care, but they won't actually put real numbers to it. I've heard the Reps say that there "EVERYBODY ALREADY HAS HEALTH CARE!!" Nobody is turned away from the emergency room. *That* is absolutely bull****. Must not be getting publicized if it's happening. Last time I heard about it was in late '80's, under Bush I. A young guy - early 20's I think - went to an E-room in Tennessee or Kentucky. Indigent, and diabetic. Needed a shot of insulin. Hospital had seen him before, and the claims boss told a nurse crew to put him in the local park. He was a deadbeat. They propped him under a tree, where he died a bit later. Passers-by found him there. Smile on his face probably, leaves mirrored in the faded light of his eyes. Not a bad way to go, under a tree. The hospital gets kudos for that touch. There was probably a dumpster closer by. --Vic It's a wonderfully kept secret. The uninsured are underserved. Many hospitals have shut down their ER's just so they don't have to deal with indigent patients. Others deliberately make the indigent sit in waiting rooms for hours and hours, in the hope they'll leave. And if they do get seen and happen to have a really serious ailment, they'll get minimal attention, treatment and medication. Many of the newly jobless and now newly without health care insurance haven't yet qualified for medicaid, and they may not qualify at all for several reasons. The safety net that used to help the poor was pretty much ripped asunder when community owned hospitals gave way to make room for private, for-profit hospitals, or were turned into the latter. There's something really repugnant about the sorts of profits insurance and pharma companies earn in this country. There are very few other places on earth where such is tolerated. Your "diabetic case" refers to patient dumping. It's common. Sure it is. |
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Food for the thoughts of those who can think
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:10:35 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:48:30 -0400, HK wrote: Vic Smith wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 14:01:56 -0400, wrote: That is the part they don't want to talk about. People expect the same level of service but they deny how much it will cost. If you add 41,000,000 uninsured to the system, at the same level of service, overall cost will go up by a proportional amount. If you assume a significant number of these families can't afford $8,000-10,000 a year, that will get passed along to those who can. Even Obama is out there trying to tell people this is not going to be "free" medical care, but they won't actually put real numbers to it. I've heard the Reps say that there "EVERYBODY ALREADY HAS HEALTH CARE!!" Nobody is turned away from the emergency room. *That* is absolutely bull****. Must not be getting publicized if it's happening. Last time I heard about it was in late '80's, under Bush I. A young guy - early 20's I think - went to an E-room in Tennessee or Kentucky. Indigent, and diabetic. Needed a shot of insulin. Hospital had seen him before, and the claims boss told a nurse crew to put him in the local park. He was a deadbeat. They propped him under a tree, where he died a bit later. Passers-by found him there. Smile on his face probably, leaves mirrored in the faded light of his eyes. Not a bad way to go, under a tree. The hospital gets kudos for that touch. There was probably a dumpster closer by. --Vic For them that have, it's easy to ignore or refuse those who haven't. When it affects the selfish personally, it's a whole other story. Come to Jesus. |
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