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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them. Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used to
be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was white
and the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.

If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a refund.
Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on
life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when
you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.

Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.
You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be
swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.
Just because you live in a ticky tacky, does not mean all the rest of
us
do.

http://www.movoto.com/neighborhood/c...nton/94566.htm

Our house was built in 1924 of good materials.

You live in a sub-division with hollow core doors.

WTF does that have to do with the value of a house, idiot?

My dad had a house built in 1921. Was worth little when it burned to the
ground. My mom's house is a 1908 Georgian. Needs about $1,000,000 to
upgrade to a modern house with new kitchen, re-stucco, termite repairs,
and
upgrade of all plumbing and electric from tube and post. It will sell in
the $1,000,000 range. Location, location, location. So just because it
is
a 1924 built house does not mean it is a great house. Construction and
materials have improved since then. My mom's house was the Dow family
home
in 1908, so solid mahogany paneling, etc. Your 1924 house may be a POS,
or
it may be nice. My 1972 house is very nice.

I can imagine.

They were putting up some real beauties in the early seventies.

Yes. Thank you. It is very nice.

Hollow core doors tend to be owned by hollow core brains. I'm sure
your 70's construction has none.

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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:51:27 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:27:03 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them. Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used to
be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was white
and
the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.


If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a refund.

Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when
you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.


Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.

You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.

One of our little box houses.
rebecca of sunnybrook farm 1917 images
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...a%3DN%26um%3D1


Yes, they build 'em just like that for all the drones working at
Microsoft. The burbs look just like your little cul-de-sac
subdivision where everyone's either white or imported from India to
satisfy the tech industry.

Homes that look just like the Truman Show.

Several of my neighbors fit neither those categories. Former fishing
partner lives across the street. He lost a leg to diabetes, so does not
go
on the boat anymore. Black. Guy next door to him, Mexico born. Black
family rents down the street. How many minorities in you neighborhood.

Plenty, even a few Republicans. My kids are growing up surrounded by
kids of all shades. They'll be prepared for life in the modern world.

So the kids live with mom in a different neighborhood. Or you are in the
getto.

It's ghetto Bill. My wife is asleep right beside me and the kids are
asleep downstairs. I live in a part of the city that doesn't scare
from shades of color. My kids are surrounded by kids of all cultures,
as is our family.

Your kind live far away in the burbs, where they put up cracker boxes
like your development. They're used to house crackers.

On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:21:01 -0700, jps wrote:



Lot size in our city can certainly play a role but most lot sizes are
similar. What makes houses valuable here is proximity to the city and
the charm of the house and neighborhood. We're in an old part of the
city quite close to downtown so anyone moving to the city with a job
downtown is attracted to the area. Literally five minutes to anywhere
downtown with access to all services within minutes. My commute to
our office on the ship canal is about 8 minutes.

Pretty much the same happened in Chicago. Yuppification.
I avoided Lincoln park and other close-in areas when I bought my first
house. Too much crime, and downtown was in the dumps too.
Paid twice as much for a place in west Logan Square.
But those areas I avoided eventually proved very lucrative for those
who bought there.
Wasn't right for my family though, so I don't regret it.
Still got downtown in 15 minutes when I worked there.

Tear downs are extremely rare. There's no such thing as a hollow core
door unless someone has done an uncle joe update. Most folks around
here invest in kitchens, bathrooms and master bedrooms. They make the
$ back when they sell. They were built for big families in the 20's
and for most of the past 80 years, heavily Catholic.

They tear down perfectly good houses here to put up McMansions.
Here is Morton Grove. Maybe 20 miles from downtown Chicago.
Occasionally they knock the roof off and add a story.
That's all slowed down now, of course.
The lots are good-sized, but the original houses - small ranches like
mine - are about 1200 sq ft.
Of course the basement basically doubles that.
Wouldn't have worked well when I had 5 kids at home, but was fine with
2.
And now with just me and the wife it's a castle. I don't even think
about putting a second bath in any more. Wouldn't be hard to add
one in the basement.
House is easy to heat and cool.
Thick, quality basement/foundation pours, good brick, maple plank
flooring and maple woodwork.
Room sizes aren't exactly huge.
I was really surprised my wife wanted it, given the kitchen size.
She's a professional cook, and I when we walked into the small kitchen
I thought, "That's that."
She didn't care. She loved the house.
Had her eyes more on potential garden.
Still after me to redo the kitchen though.
Maybe next year.
But depending on what you do to a kitchen, I don't think you will
necessarily get your investment back.
The new woman might want it redone anyway.
Best to just do it for yourself.
The extra bath should always increase value though.
I've got a feeling most new home owners buy looking at potential and
not what's there. They want to make it their own.
That's how I've always been, anyhow.
I've been turned off when looking at houses and seeing work that
I would have to tear out. Owner thinks it's a selling point.
Wrong.
Might be different now though, as I'm not enthusiastic about work.

Folks who work for Redmond mostly live on the other side of the lake
where housing resembles outlying areas of Northern California.
Developments with similarly designed houses, built with economical
materials and put up in weeks.

That's what makes me think of the Malvina Reynolds song about "little
boxes." Typical for the mobile tech community.

Know what you're talking about. Here they call them slab houses, as
most are built with no basement. Most good homes here have a
basement.
Had friends with slab houses. They liked them though.
Home is where the heart is.
One friend told me his only regret was not getting the basement option
on his slab house. Would have been $35k versus $28k.
But double his usable area, and his second kid was on the way.
Long time ago.
But that memory tells me that slab or no slab doesn't always indicate
"little boxes" or "quality."
Some areas, like Florida, make fine homes with slabs and cement block.
Then you could have an otherwise fine home with no hurricane straps,
and the first big blow takes the roof off.
Nothing wrong with slabs houses if they are decently built, but you
often get back to the location, location, location refrain.
Since cheap houses attract rougher people, and the locality doesn't
garner good tax revenues, the location often turns sour.
Especially if work dries up.
OTOH, I recall scandal in some "upscale" developments in the Chicago
area, due to cracking foundations, unsquare rooms and popping drywall
in brand new houses. Some crews can take good material and screw it
all up.
Somebody told me - can't remember who, probably a plumber - that in
one development within a year everybody's sewers were backing up.
They fed a camera into the main sewer line and found a mess of
2"X4"'s jammed in there. Had to tear up the street to get at it.
Investigation found that the non-union plumbers with a grudge against
the developer had done it. Might have been union plumbers though,
depending on who told me the story.
Could be a tall tale. Don't know. Can't remember.
That's ok. Some things are best forgotten.

--Vic

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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:22:13 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them.
Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used
to
be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was
white
and the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.

If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a
refund.
Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to
O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on
life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when
you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.

Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.
You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that
all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be
swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.
Just because you live in a ticky tacky, does not mean all the rest
of
us
do.

http://www.movoto.com/neighborhood/c...nton/94566.htm

Our house was built in 1924 of good materials.

You live in a sub-division with hollow core doors.

WTF does that have to do with the value of a house, idiot?

My dad had a house built in 1921. Was worth little when it burned to
the
ground. My mom's house is a 1908 Georgian. Needs about $1,000,000 to
upgrade to a modern house with new kitchen, re-stucco, termite repairs,
and
upgrade of all plumbing and electric from tube and post. It will sell
in
the $1,000,000 range. Location, location, location. So just because it
is
a 1924 built house does not mean it is a great house. Construction and
materials have improved since then. My mom's house was the Dow family
home
in 1908, so solid mahogany paneling, etc. Your 1924 house may be a POS,
or
it may be nice. My 1972 house is very nice.

I can imagine.

They were putting up some real beauties in the early seventies.

Yes. Thank you. It is very nice.

Hollow core doors tend to be owned by hollow core brains. I'm sure
your 70's construction has none.

Nope, it has foam core 6 panel doors in the interior, and the front door is
very nice solid Cherry door with side lights. Your house probably has bad
plumbing, old style, unsafe, under gauge wiring.

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jps wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:22:13 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"jps" wrote in message
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them.
Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used
to
be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was
white
and the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.

If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a
refund.
Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to
O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on
life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when
you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.

Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.
You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that
all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be
swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.
Just because you live in a ticky tacky, does not mean all the rest
of
us
do.

http://www.movoto.com/neighborhood/c...nton/94566.htm

Our house was built in 1924 of good materials.

You live in a sub-division with hollow core doors.

WTF does that have to do with the value of a house, idiot?

My dad had a house built in 1921. Was worth little when it burned to
the
ground. My mom's house is a 1908 Georgian. Needs about $1,000,000 to
upgrade to a modern house with new kitchen, re-stucco, termite repairs,
and
upgrade of all plumbing and electric from tube and post. It will sell
in
the $1,000,000 range. Location, location, location. So just because it
is
a 1924 built house does not mean it is a great house. Construction and
materials have improved since then. My mom's house was the Dow family
home
in 1908, so solid mahogany paneling, etc. Your 1924 house may be a POS,
or
it may be nice. My 1972 house is very nice.

I can imagine.

They were putting up some real beauties in the early seventies.

Yes. Thank you. It is very nice.

Hollow core doors tend to be owned by hollow core brains. I'm sure
your 70's construction has none.

Nope, it has foam core 6 panel doors in the interior, and the front door is
very nice solid Cherry door with side lights. Your house probably has bad
plumbing, old style, unsafe, under gauge wiring.

Replaced with copper and modern wiring has replaced the knob and tube.

Foam core?

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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them.
Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used
to
be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was
white
and the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.

If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a
refund.
Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to
O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on
life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when
you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.

Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see:
2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.
You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that
all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be
swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.
Just because you live in a ticky tacky, does not mean all the rest
of
us
do.

http://www.movoto.com/neighborhood/c...nton/94566.htm

Our house was built in 1924 of good materials.

You live in a sub-division with hollow core doors.

WTF does that have to do with the value of a house, idiot?

My dad had a house built in 1921. Was worth little when it burned to
the
ground. My mom's house is a 1908 Georgian. Needs about $1,000,000 to
upgrade to a modern house with new kitchen, re-stucco, termite
repairs,
and
upgrade of all plumbing and electric from tube and post. It will sell
in
the $1,000,000 range. Location, location, location. So just because
it
is
a 1924 built house does not mean it is a great house. Construction
and
materials have improved since then. My mom's house was the Dow family
home
in 1908, so solid mahogany paneling, etc. Your 1924 house may be a
POS,
or
it may be nice. My 1972 house is very nice.

I can imagine.

They were putting up some real beauties in the early seventies.

Yes. Thank you. It is very nice.

Hollow core doors tend to be owned by hollow core brains. I'm sure
your 70's construction has none.

Nope, it has foam core 6 panel doors in the interior, and the front door
is
very nice solid Cherry door with side lights. Your house probably has bad
plumbing, old style, unsafe, under gauge wiring.

Replaced with copper and modern wiring has replaced the knob and tube.

Foam core?

Yup. Interior doors. Deadens sounds.