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Zombie of Woodstock June 11th 09 01:03 PM

YIKES!!!
 
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


HK June 11th 09 01:07 PM

YIKES!!!
 
Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


Well, it's good you have an outboard with a 25" shaft on that boat with
the low 20" transom and jackplate. You'll be able to lift the lower unit
out of the water so the ice won't freeze around it.

Hmmmm...when "jackplated," does a 25" shaft outboard on a 20" transom
equal an outboard with a 20" shaft?




--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

Wizard of Woodstock June 11th 09 01:19 PM

YIKES!!!
 
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:07:04 -0400, HK wrote:

Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


Well, it's good you have an outboard with a 25" shaft on that boat with
the low 20" transom and jackplate. You'll be able to lift the lower unit
out of the water so the ice won't freeze around it.

Hmmmm...when "jackplated," does a 25" shaft outboard on a 20" transom
equal an outboard with a 20" shaft?


No Mr. Science.

HK June 11th 09 01:29 PM

YIKES!!!
 
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:07:04 -0400, HK wrote:

Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.

Well, it's good you have an outboard with a 25" shaft on that boat with
the low 20" transom and jackplate. You'll be able to lift the lower unit
out of the water so the ice won't freeze around it.

Hmmmm...when "jackplated," does a 25" shaft outboard on a 20" transom
equal an outboard with a 20" shaft?


No Mr. Science.


OK..why not? I realize the heights you get with a jackplate are
variable, but when the engine is not raised on the jackplate, it is too
deep in the water, and when it is fully raised, isn't it about the same
depth in the water as a 20" shaft outboard might be? Of course, with an
"extreme" jackplate, there would be less of the lower unit in the water.

Or is it the setback that you get with a jackplate that is important?

Are the lakes you use that boat in full of shallows? Surely it isn't a
device that would be necessary on LI Sound.

The jackplates I saw in Florida, mostly products of "Bob's," were on
flats boats that actually ran in skinny water.

Oh...Mr. Certainty...have you reconciled to the fact you were completely
incorrect about my 18x48 garden tractor...you know, the one you claimed
didn't exist because Husqie didn't make and never made such a model?


--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

jim7 June 11th 09 01:49 PM

YIKES!!!
 
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:07:04 -0400, HK wrote:

Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.

Well, it's good you have an outboard with a 25" shaft on that boat with
the low 20" transom and jackplate. You'll be able to lift the lower unit
out of the water so the ice won't freeze around it.

Hmmmm...when "jackplated," does a 25" shaft outboard on a 20" transom
equal an outboard with a 20" shaft?


No Mr. Science.


I smell a challenge coming on. Harry's boat against yours. 20 mile race
on the Thames river. The stakes - pink slips. I know. I know. Harry
would have to kick in some cash to even things out. Does Harry have the
stones?

Loogypicker[_2_] June 11th 09 02:20 PM

YIKES!!!
 
On Jun 11, 8:29*am, HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:07:04 -0400, HK wrote:


Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."


Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came. *


Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.
Well, it's good you have an outboard with a 25" shaft on that boat with
the low 20" transom and jackplate. You'll be able to lift the lower unit
out of the water so the ice won't freeze around it.


Hmmmm...when "jackplated," does a 25" shaft outboard on a 20" transom
equal an outboard with a 20" shaft?


No Mr. Science.


OK..why not? I realize the heights you get with a jackplate are
variable, but when the engine is not raised on the jackplate, it is too
deep in the water, and when it is fully raised, isn't it about the same
depth in the water as a 20" shaft outboard might be? Of course, with an
"extreme" jackplate, there would be less of the lower unit in the water.

Or is it the setback that you get with a jackplate that is important?

Are the lakes you use that boat in full of shallows? Surely it isn't a
device that would be necessary on LI Sound.

The jackplates I saw in Florida, mostly products of "Bob's," were on
flats boats that actually ran in skinny water.

Oh...Mr. Certainty...have you reconciled to the fact you were completely
incorrect about my 18x48 garden tractor...you know, the one you claimed
didn't exist because Husqie didn't make and never made such a model?

--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Oh, my God!!!! The alleged mechanical engineer coming up with THIS
gem! He's dumber than a post!

Don White June 11th 09 06:25 PM

YIKES!!!
 

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


I'm painting the house now. the front is all scraped, washed twice, lightly
sanded, primed and got about 205 painted before the rains started.
I'm not looking forward to the two sides with their 28 foot gable ends.



Eisboch[_4_] June 11th 09 06:27 PM

YIKES!!!
 

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet service from
the music shop.

Eisboch


John H[_2_] June 11th 09 06:32 PM

YIKES!!!
 
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
.. .
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet service from
the music shop.

Eisboch


It worked.
--
John H

"BEND OVER - The 'change' is coming!"

jim7 June 11th 09 06:34 PM

YIKES!!!
 
Eisboch wrote:

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet service
from the music shop.

Eisboch


Is it really that cold up there. I'm working in the yard today and have
to come in every half hour or so, to cool off and rehydrate. It's hot out.

Eisboch[_4_] June 11th 09 07:19 PM

YIKES!!!
 

"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet service
from the music shop.

Eisboch


Is it really that cold up there. I'm working in the yard today and have to
come in every half hour or so, to cool off and rehydrate. It's hot out.


It's cool and damp. Need heat to take the chill off and it's the middle of
June.
Strange.

Eisboch


Eisboch[_4_] June 11th 09 07:24 PM

YIKES!!!
 

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet service
from
the music shop.

Eisboch


It worked.
--
John H



Not only does it work, but I am really surprised and impressed. It's only
been up and running for an hour or so, but it is amazingly fast for DSL. I
thought DSL was slower than cable, but it's not the case here. This DSL is
much faster than the Comcast cable we have in the house.

It could be that although the DSL is on a wireless router, I only have one
computer on it versus 2 or 3 on the wireless Comcast router in the house.
But the difference is very, very noticeable. Hope it stays this way.

Eisboch


jim7 June 11th 09 07:26 PM

YIKES!!!
 
Eisboch wrote:

"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from the music shop.

Eisboch


Is it really that cold up there. I'm working in the yard today and
have to come in every half hour or so, to cool off and rehydrate. It's
hot out.


It's cool and damp. Need heat to take the chill off and it's the middle
of June.
Strange.

Eisboch


You picked a good year to not have a boat. Speaking about being
boatless. Did you get special dispensation from our keystone cops to
post here sans boat?

JustWaitAFrekinMinute! June 11th 09 07:42 PM

YIKES!!!
 
On Jun 11, 2:24*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message

...

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


This really isn't a comment. * Just testing a new, DSL Internet service
from
the music shop.


Eisboch


It worked.
--
John H


Not only does it work, but I am really surprised and impressed. * It's only
been up and running for an hour or so, but it is amazingly fast for DSL. * I
thought DSL was slower than cable, but it's not the case here. *This DSL is
much faster than the Comcast cable we have in the house.


Yup, a dirty little secret. Our DSL was ungated by a guy who worked at
the router and it smoked the Cox cable locally in Essex, or here at
Comcast. Even before it was opened up really but certainly after...
It's just bull and selective sampling that gives the cable companines
the right to say they are faster...

It could be that although the DSL is on a wireless router, I only have one
computer on it versus 2 or 3 on the wireless Comcast router in the house.
But the difference is very, very noticeable. *Hope it stays this way.

Eisboch



Eisboch[_4_] June 11th 09 07:42 PM

YIKES!!!
 

"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet service
from the music shop.

Eisboch

Is it really that cold up there. I'm working in the yard today and have
to come in every half hour or so, to cool off and rehydrate. It's hot
out.


It's cool and damp. Need heat to take the chill off and it's the middle
of June.
Strange.

Eisboch


You picked a good year to not have a boat. Speaking about being boatless.
Did you get special dispensation from our keystone cops to post here sans
boat?


I am not boatless yet. Still have the Mainship. It's under agreement
again (following the discovery of the rotted oil pans). Potential buyer
knows of the issue and Kingman is working on replacing them.
Buyer's surveyor has already gone over the rest of the boat and it looks ok
other than needing a good cleaning.

They are supposed to launch it next week and the sea trial will follow
shortly thereafter.
If all goes well, *then* I will be officially boatless and will submit my
formal resignation from rec.boats.

Eisboch


HK June 11th 09 07:48 PM

YIKES!!!
 
Eisboch wrote:

"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The
jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from the music shop.

Eisboch

Is it really that cold up there. I'm working in the yard today and
have to come in every half hour or so, to cool off and rehydrate.
It's hot out.

It's cool and damp. Need heat to take the chill off and it's the
middle of June.
Strange.

Eisboch


You picked a good year to not have a boat. Speaking about being
boatless. Did you get special dispensation from our keystone cops to
post here sans boat?


I am not boatless yet. Still have the Mainship. It's under agreement
again (following the discovery of the rotted oil pans). Potential buyer
knows of the issue and Kingman is working on replacing them.
Buyer's surveyor has already gone over the rest of the boat and it looks
ok other than needing a good cleaning.

They are supposed to launch it next week and the sea trial will follow
shortly thereafter.
If all goes well, *then* I will be officially boatless and will submit
my formal resignation from rec.boats.

Eisboch



Floridajim still posts here...he's boatless.



--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

HK June 11th 09 08:01 PM

YIKES!!!
 
Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from
the music shop.

Eisboch


It worked.
--
John H



Not only does it work, but I am really surprised and impressed. It's
only been up and running for an hour or so, but it is amazingly fast for
DSL. I thought DSL was slower than cable, but it's not the case here.
This DSL is much faster than the Comcast cable we have in the house.

It could be that although the DSL is on a wireless router, I only have
one computer on it versus 2 or 3 on the wireless Comcast router in the
house. But the difference is very, very noticeable. Hope it stays this
way.

Eisboch



When you speed test the new DSL, what results in kbps do you get?

Try a couple of servers at http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

at different times during the day at your house and office.

Typically, we get about 25,000 kbps down and 11,000 up. Sometimes
substantially faster down, sometimes a little bit slower down. That's
with the NY server. The DC server gives much faster results.

Best not to try this at high traffic hours...do it either very early in
the am or very late at night.

jim7 June 11th 09 08:02 PM

YIKES!!!
 
HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the
northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer."
The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from the music shop.

Eisboch

Is it really that cold up there. I'm working in the yard today and
have to come in every half hour or so, to cool off and rehydrate.
It's hot out.

It's cool and damp. Need heat to take the chill off and it's the
middle of June.
Strange.

Eisboch

You picked a good year to not have a boat. Speaking about being
boatless. Did you get special dispensation from our keystone cops to
post here sans boat?


I am not boatless yet. Still have the Mainship. It's under
agreement again (following the discovery of the rotted oil pans).
Potential buyer knows of the issue and Kingman is working on replacing
them.
Buyer's surveyor has already gone over the rest of the boat and it
looks ok other than needing a good cleaning.

They are supposed to launch it next week and the sea trial will follow
shortly thereafter.
If all goes well, *then* I will be officially boatless and will
submit my formal resignation from rec.boats.

Eisboch



Floridajim still posts here...he's boatless.



You don't know that. Do you? I'm going to leave you in the dark as you
are on most issues. Daily Kos. Your eyes and ears to the world. WAFA

Loogypicker[_2_] June 11th 09 08:02 PM

YIKES!!!
 
On Jun 11, 3:01*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .


On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


This really isn't a comment. * Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from
the music shop.


Eisboch


It worked.
--
John H


Not only does it work, but I am really surprised and impressed. * It's
only been up and running for an hour or so, but it is amazingly fast for
DSL. * I thought DSL was slower than cable, but it's not the case here. *
This DSL is much faster than the Comcast cable we have in the house.


It could be that although the DSL is on a wireless router, I only have
one computer on it versus 2 or 3 on the wireless Comcast router in the
house. But the difference is very, very noticeable. *Hope it stays this
way.


Eisboch


When you speed test the new DSL, what results in kbps do you get?

Try a couple of servers at * *http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

at different times during the day at your house and office.

Typically, we get about 25,000 kbps down and 11,000 up. Sometimes
substantially faster down, sometimes a little bit slower down. That's
with the NY server. The DC server gives much faster results.

Well, I'm sure they set you up with the super duper DSL because you
are so special.

D.Duck June 11th 09 08:07 PM

YIKES!!!
 

"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet service
from
the music shop.

Eisboch

It worked.
--
John H



Not only does it work, but I am really surprised and impressed. It's
only been up and running for an hour or so, but it is amazingly fast for
DSL. I thought DSL was slower than cable, but it's not the case here.
This DSL is much faster than the Comcast cable we have in the house.

It could be that although the DSL is on a wireless router, I only have
one computer on it versus 2 or 3 on the wireless Comcast router in the
house. But the difference is very, very noticeable. Hope it stays this
way.

Eisboch



When you speed test the new DSL, what results in kbps do you get?

Try a couple of servers at http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

at different times during the day at your house and office.

Typically, we get about 25,000 kbps down and 11,000 up. Sometimes
substantially faster down, sometimes a little bit slower down. That's with
the NY server. The DC server gives much faster results.

Best not to try this at high traffic hours...do it either very early in
the am or very late at night.


Are your results DSL or cable? If DSL, which provider? Just curious?



HK June 11th 09 08:19 PM

YIKES!!!
 
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet service
from
the music shop.

Eisboch
It worked.
--
John H

Not only does it work, but I am really surprised and impressed. It's
only been up and running for an hour or so, but it is amazingly fast for
DSL. I thought DSL was slower than cable, but it's not the case here.
This DSL is much faster than the Comcast cable we have in the house.

It could be that although the DSL is on a wireless router, I only have
one computer on it versus 2 or 3 on the wireless Comcast router in the
house. But the difference is very, very noticeable. Hope it stays this
way.

Eisboch


When you speed test the new DSL, what results in kbps do you get?

Try a couple of servers at http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

at different times during the day at your house and office.

Typically, we get about 25,000 kbps down and 11,000 up. Sometimes
substantially faster down, sometimes a little bit slower down. That's with
the NY server. The DC server gives much faster results.

Best not to try this at high traffic hours...do it either very early in
the am or very late at night.


Are your results DSL or cable? If DSL, which provider? Just curious?




Cable. Had DSL when I had an office over in Virginia. It was ok until a
water main burst a few blocks away and "destroyed" some telco cables.
Took a week to get phones back, and got an "estimated time unknown" for
restoration of DSL from the local central office. After two and a half
weeks, I added cable internet to the cable service, and never went back
to DSL.

In those days, where my office was, the telco only provided the lines to
third party DSL companies. It was not offering DSL in my area. That
changed. I suspect had the telco been the DSL supplier, the "wet lines"
would have been repaired a lot faster.

I get at least one mailing a month from the local telco offering me very
slow DSL for about $20 a month at the same time it is offering much
faster (and much more expensive) FIOS in the more heavily populated
areas of the state. But even if FIOS were available here, I have no real
incentive to switch.




--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

Eisboch[_4_] June 11th 09 08:31 PM

YIKES!!!
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from
the music shop.

Eisboch
It worked.
--
John H

Not only does it work, but I am really surprised and impressed. It's
only been up and running for an hour or so, but it is amazingly fast
for DSL. I thought DSL was slower than cable, but it's not the case
here. This DSL is much faster than the Comcast cable we have in the
house.

It could be that although the DSL is on a wireless router, I only have
one computer on it versus 2 or 3 on the wireless Comcast router in the
house. But the difference is very, very noticeable. Hope it stays this
way.

Eisboch

When you speed test the new DSL, what results in kbps do you get?

Try a couple of servers at http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

at different times during the day at your house and office.

Typically, we get about 25,000 kbps down and 11,000 up. Sometimes
substantially faster down, sometimes a little bit slower down. That's
with the NY server. The DC server gives much faster results.

Best not to try this at high traffic hours...do it either very early in
the am or very late at night.


Are your results DSL or cable? If DSL, which provider? Just curious?



Cable. Had DSL when I had an office over in Virginia. It was ok until a
water main burst a few blocks away and "destroyed" some telco cables. Took
a week to get phones back, and got an "estimated time unknown" for
restoration of DSL from the local central office. After two and a half
weeks, I added cable internet to the cable service, and never went back to
DSL.

In those days, where my office was, the telco only provided the lines to
third party DSL companies. It was not offering DSL in my area. That
changed. I suspect had the telco been the DSL supplier, the "wet lines"
would have been repaired a lot faster.

I get at least one mailing a month from the local telco offering me very
slow DSL for about $20 a month at the same time it is offering much faster
(and much more expensive) FIOS in the more heavily populated areas of the
state. But even if FIOS were available here, I have no real incentive to
switch.




We had DSL in Florida because the area we were in was not serviced by cable.
I remember learning that DSL speed varies greatly by how far you are from a
substation or whatever and how many subscribers they had on that substation.
I recall the Florida DSL as being adequate for most of what we used it for
but slower than the cable we had at the time here in MA. (this was before
going wireless with routers, etc., so I don't know what effect they have on
speed).

However, so far the DLS service that started today here in the little music
shop blows Comcast cable away. I am really surprised, because I never
thought Comcast was particularly slow before.

Eisboch


Loogypicker[_2_] June 11th 09 08:48 PM

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On Jun 11, 3:31*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...





D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
m...


On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


This really isn't a comment. * Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from
the music shop.


Eisboch
It worked.
--
John H


Not only does it work, but I am really surprised and impressed. * It's
only been up and running for an hour or so, but it is amazingly fast
for DSL. * I thought DSL was slower than cable, but it's not the case
here. This DSL is much faster than the Comcast cable we have in the
house.


It could be that although the DSL is on a wireless router, I only have
one computer on it versus 2 or 3 on the wireless Comcast router in the
house. But the difference is very, very noticeable. *Hope it stays this
way.


Eisboch


When you speed test the new DSL, what results in kbps do you get?


Try a couple of servers at * *http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/


at different times during the day at your house and office.


Typically, we get about 25,000 kbps down and 11,000 up. Sometimes
substantially faster down, sometimes a little bit slower down. That's
with the NY server. The DC server gives much faster results.


Best not to try this at high traffic hours...do it either very early in
the am or very late at night.


Are your results DSL or cable? *If DSL, which provider? *Just curious?


Cable. Had DSL when I had an office over in Virginia. It was ok until a
water main burst a few blocks away and "destroyed" some telco cables. Took
a week to get phones back, and got an "estimated time unknown" for
restoration of DSL from the local central office. After two and a half
weeks, I added cable internet to the cable service, and never went back to
DSL.


In those days, where my office was, the telco only provided the lines to
third party DSL companies. It was not offering DSL in my area. *That
changed. I suspect had the telco been the DSL supplier, the "wet lines"
would have been repaired a lot faster.


I get at least one mailing a month from the local telco offering me very
slow DSL for about $20 a month at the same time it is offering much faster
(and much more expensive) FIOS in the more heavily populated areas of the
state. But even if FIOS were available here, I have no real incentive to
switch.


We had DSL in Florida because the area we were in was not serviced by cable.
I remember learning that DSL speed varies greatly by how far you are from a
substation or whatever and how many subscribers they had on that substation.
I recall the Florida DSL as being adequate for most of what we used it for
but slower than the cable we had at the time here in MA. *(this was before
going wireless with routers, etc., so I don't know what effect they have on
speed).

However, so far the DLS service that started today here in the little music
shop blows Comcast cable away. * I am really surprised, because I never
thought Comcast was particularly slow before.

Eisboch- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Cable slows down as traffic on the line increases. My Comcast bit
rates go down quite a bit when everyone gets home from work and turns
on the T.V.'s and internet connections.

D.Duck June 11th 09 08:48 PM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
m...
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from
the music shop.

Eisboch
It worked.
--
John H

Not only does it work, but I am really surprised and impressed. It's
only been up and running for an hour or so, but it is amazingly fast
for DSL. I thought DSL was slower than cable, but it's not the case
here. This DSL is much faster than the Comcast cable we have in the
house.

It could be that although the DSL is on a wireless router, I only have
one computer on it versus 2 or 3 on the wireless Comcast router in the
house. But the difference is very, very noticeable. Hope it stays
this way.

Eisboch

When you speed test the new DSL, what results in kbps do you get?

Try a couple of servers at http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

at different times during the day at your house and office.

Typically, we get about 25,000 kbps down and 11,000 up. Sometimes
substantially faster down, sometimes a little bit slower down. That's
with the NY server. The DC server gives much faster results.

Best not to try this at high traffic hours...do it either very early in
the am or very late at night.

Are your results DSL or cable? If DSL, which provider? Just curious?



Cable. Had DSL when I had an office over in Virginia. It was ok until a
water main burst a few blocks away and "destroyed" some telco cables.
Took a week to get phones back, and got an "estimated time unknown" for
restoration of DSL from the local central office. After two and a half
weeks, I added cable internet to the cable service, and never went back
to DSL.

In those days, where my office was, the telco only provided the lines to
third party DSL companies. It was not offering DSL in my area. That
changed. I suspect had the telco been the DSL supplier, the "wet lines"
would have been repaired a lot faster.

I get at least one mailing a month from the local telco offering me very
slow DSL for about $20 a month at the same time it is offering much
faster (and much more expensive) FIOS in the more heavily populated areas
of the state. But even if FIOS were available here, I have no real
incentive to switch.




We had DSL in Florida because the area we were in was not serviced by
cable.
I remember learning that DSL speed varies greatly by how far you are from
a substation or whatever and how many subscribers they had on that
substation. I recall the Florida DSL as being adequate for most of what we
used it for but slower than the cable we had at the time here in MA.
(this was before going wireless with routers, etc., so I don't know what
effect they have on speed).

However, so far the DLS service that started today here in the little
music shop blows Comcast cable away. I am really surprised, because I
never thought Comcast was particularly slow before.

Eisboch



5Mb DSL is readily available down here in Florida now, even in the sticks.
Lot's of improvements over the years. I opted to get 3Mb ($40/month) for my
home which is quite fast enough, At least for an old retired guy.



jim7 June 11th 09 09:32 PM

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D.Duck wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
m...
D.Duck wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:27:13 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from
the music shop.

Eisboch
It worked.
--
John H
Not only does it work, but I am really surprised and impressed. It's
only been up and running for an hour or so, but it is amazingly fast
for DSL. I thought DSL was slower than cable, but it's not the case
here. This DSL is much faster than the Comcast cable we have in the
house.

It could be that although the DSL is on a wireless router, I only have
one computer on it versus 2 or 3 on the wireless Comcast router in the
house. But the difference is very, very noticeable. Hope it stays
this way.

Eisboch
When you speed test the new DSL, what results in kbps do you get?

Try a couple of servers at http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

at different times during the day at your house and office.

Typically, we get about 25,000 kbps down and 11,000 up. Sometimes
substantially faster down, sometimes a little bit slower down. That's
with the NY server. The DC server gives much faster results.

Best not to try this at high traffic hours...do it either very early in
the am or very late at night.
Are your results DSL or cable? If DSL, which provider? Just curious?

Cable. Had DSL when I had an office over in Virginia. It was ok until a
water main burst a few blocks away and "destroyed" some telco cables.
Took a week to get phones back, and got an "estimated time unknown" for
restoration of DSL from the local central office. After two and a half
weeks, I added cable internet to the cable service, and never went back
to DSL.

In those days, where my office was, the telco only provided the lines to
third party DSL companies. It was not offering DSL in my area. That
changed. I suspect had the telco been the DSL supplier, the "wet lines"
would have been repaired a lot faster.

I get at least one mailing a month from the local telco offering me very
slow DSL for about $20 a month at the same time it is offering much
faster (and much more expensive) FIOS in the more heavily populated areas
of the state. But even if FIOS were available here, I have no real
incentive to switch.



We had DSL in Florida because the area we were in was not serviced by
cable.
I remember learning that DSL speed varies greatly by how far you are from
a substation or whatever and how many subscribers they had on that
substation. I recall the Florida DSL as being adequate for most of what we
used it for but slower than the cable we had at the time here in MA.
(this was before going wireless with routers, etc., so I don't know what
effect they have on speed).

However, so far the DLS service that started today here in the little
music shop blows Comcast cable away. I am really surprised, because I
never thought Comcast was particularly slow before.

Eisboch



5Mb DSL is readily available down here in Florida now, even in the sticks.
Lot's of improvements over the years. I opted to get 3Mb ($40/month) for my
home which is quite fast enough, At least for an old retired guy.


Mine's even slower My 1.5 MB line tested at 1.475 DL and .488 UL. I
don't notice any slowness except when we watch Netflix movies on Roku
through the router.

Eisboch[_4_] June 11th 09 09:34 PM

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"D.Duck" wrote in message
...



5Mb DSL is readily available down here in Florida now, even in the sticks.
Lot's of improvements over the years. I opted to get 3Mb ($40/month) for
my home which is quite fast enough, At least for an old retired guy.


I just went through all the paper work with Verizon. Mrs.E. handled all
this, so I didn't know what she ordered. Turns out they offer 3Mb and
7.1Mb for the DSL services. Not sure what I ended up with.
If 7.1Mb was more expensive than 3Mb, I have 3Mb, knowing her.

Eisboch


D.Duck June 11th 09 09:44 PM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...



5Mb DSL is readily available down here in Florida now, even in the
sticks. Lot's of improvements over the years. I opted to get 3Mb
($40/month) for my home which is quite fast enough, At least for an old
retired guy.


I just went through all the paper work with Verizon. Mrs.E. handled all
this, so I didn't know what she ordered. Turns out they offer 3Mb and
7.1Mb for the DSL services. Not sure what I ended up with.
If 7.1Mb was more expensive than 3Mb, I have 3Mb, knowing her.

Eisboch


Google DSL speed tests and you will find several places where you can test
it. More for curiosity than anything else.



Don White June 11th 09 09:49 PM

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"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


I'm painting the house now. the front is all scraped, washed twice,
lightly sanded, primed and got about *205* painted before the rains
started.
I'm not looking forward to the two sides with their 28 foot gable ends.


that should read *20% *



jim7 June 11th 09 09:53 PM

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Don White wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.

I'm painting the house now. the front is all scraped, washed twice,
lightly sanded, primed and got about *205* painted before the rains
started.
I'm not looking forward to the two sides with their 28 foot gable ends.


that should read *20% *


It should have but it didn't. Use the shift key when appropriate, dummy.

John H[_2_] June 11th 09 10:01 PM

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On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:49:50 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
. ..

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


I'm painting the house now. the front is all scraped, washed twice,
lightly sanded, primed and got about *205* painted before the rains
started.
I'm not looking forward to the two sides with their 28 foot gable ends.


that should read *20% *


Sounds like a good job for the kid. Have him earn some of his beer.
--
John H

"BEND OVER - The 'change' is coming!"

Don White June 11th 09 10:40 PM

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"jim7" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.

I'm painting the house now. the front is all scraped, washed twice,
lightly sanded, primed and got about *205* painted before the rains
started.
I'm not looking forward to the two sides with their 28 foot gable ends.


that should read *20% *

It should have but it didn't. Use the shift key when appropriate, dummy.


Ah...you've finally reached Dingy Dans level. Congratulations! The rest of
the Dope Army will be proud.



Don White June 11th 09 10:42 PM

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"John H" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:49:50 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Don White" wrote in message
.. .

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


I'm painting the house now. the front is all scraped, washed twice,
lightly sanded, primed and got about *205* painted before the rains
started.
I'm not looking forward to the two sides with their 28 foot gable ends.


that should read *20% *


Sounds like a good job for the kid. Have him earn some of his beer.
--
John H

"BEND OVER - The 'change' is coming!"


Johnny...no one wants to bend over for you.
This obsession with the male buttocks is no "change", You're just peeping
out of the closet a bit more.



Don White June 11th 09 10:45 PM

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:

"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The
jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from the music shop.

Eisboch

Is it really that cold up there. I'm working in the yard today and have
to come in every half hour or so, to cool off and rehydrate. It's hot
out.

It's cool and damp. Need heat to take the chill off and it's the middle
of June.
Strange.

Eisboch


You picked a good year to not have a boat. Speaking about being boatless.
Did you get special dispensation from our keystone cops to post here sans
boat?


I am not boatless yet. Still have the Mainship. It's under agreement
again (following the discovery of the rotted oil pans). Potential buyer
knows of the issue and Kingman is working on replacing them.
Buyer's surveyor has already gone over the rest of the boat and it looks
ok other than needing a good cleaning.

They are supposed to launch it next week and the sea trial will follow
shortly thereafter.
If all goes well, *then* I will be officially boatless and will submit
my formal resignation from rec.boats.

Eisboch


A man of honour!
That would make you an oddity in here on the best days. ;-)



jim7 June 11th 09 11:14 PM

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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The
jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.

This really isn't a comment. Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from the music shop.

Eisboch
Is it really that cold up there. I'm working in the yard today and have
to come in every half hour or so, to cool off and rehydrate. It's hot
out.
It's cool and damp. Need heat to take the chill off and it's the middle
of June.
Strange.

Eisboch
You picked a good year to not have a boat. Speaking about being boatless.
Did you get special dispensation from our keystone cops to post here sans
boat?

I am not boatless yet. Still have the Mainship. It's under agreement
again (following the discovery of the rotted oil pans). Potential buyer
knows of the issue and Kingman is working on replacing them.
Buyer's surveyor has already gone over the rest of the boat and it looks
ok other than needing a good cleaning.

They are supposed to launch it next week and the sea trial will follow
shortly thereafter.
If all goes well, *then* I will be officially boatless and will submit
my formal resignation from rec.boats.

Eisboch


A man of honour!
That would make you an oddity in here on the best days. ;-)


That's honor man,honor.

BAR[_2_] June 13th 09 02:12 PM

YIKES!!!
 
Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.

Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


Where am I going for vacation this summer? North Dakota. I had better
take a parka.


HK June 13th 09 02:26 PM

YIKES!!!
 
BAR wrote:
Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.
Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


Where am I going for vacation this summer? North Dakota. I had better
take a parka.



Nothing much in the Dakotas but steers, queers, and rutabagas. Well, I
can attest to the steers and rutabagas. :)

Interesting states...very pretty in places...have a good time.

I'm not kidding about the rutabagas.




--
The modern GOP is little more than an army of moral absolutists led by a
gang of moral nihilists.

Loogypicker[_2_] June 13th 09 03:57 PM

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On Jun 11, 5:45*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...







"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:


"jim7" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:


"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
om...
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The
jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."


Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.


Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


This really isn't a comment. * Just testing a new, DSL Internet
service from the music shop.


Eisboch


Is it really that cold up there. I'm working in the yard today and have
to come in every half hour or so, to cool off and rehydrate. It's hot
out.


It's cool and damp. *Need heat to take the chill off and it's the middle
of June.
Strange.


Eisboch


You picked a good year to not have a boat. Speaking about being boatless.
Did you get special dispensation from our keystone cops to post here sans
boat?


I am not boatless yet. * Still have the Mainship. * It's under agreement
again (following the discovery of the rotted oil pans). *Potential buyer
knows of the issue and Kingman is working on replacing them.
Buyer's surveyor has already gone over the rest of the boat and it looks
ok other than needing a good cleaning.


They are supposed to launch it next week and the sea trial will follow
shortly thereafter.
If all goes well, **then* *I will be officially boatless and will submit
my formal resignation from rec.boats.


Eisboch


A man of honour!
That would make you an oddity in here on the best days. *;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Damned straight! You, Harry, slammer and JPS certainly have none.

Loogypicker[_2_] June 13th 09 03:57 PM

YIKES!!!
 
On Jun 11, 4:53*pm, jim7 wrote:
Don White wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
. ..
"Zombie of Woodstock" wrote in message
. ..
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a "year without a summer." The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."


Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.


Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


I'm painting the house now. *the front is all scraped, washed twice,
lightly sanded, primed and got about *205* painted before the rains
started.
I'm not looking forward to the two sides with their 28 foot gable ends..


that should read *20% *


It should have but it didn't. Use the shift key when appropriate, dummy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


And the idiot goes around correcting other's mistakes here.

DK June 14th 09 02:22 AM

YIKES!!!
 
BAR wrote:
Zombie of Woodstock wrote:
"According to Long Range Expert Joe *******i, areas from the northern
Plains into the Northeast will have a “year without a summer.” The jet
stream, which is suppressed abnormally south this spring, is also
suppressing the number of thunderstorms that can form."

Kind of reminds me of what happened back in the mid-70's - I want to
say '75/'76 - The Summer That Never Came.
Had to turn up the heat in my office this morning.


Where am I going for vacation this summer? North Dakota. I had better
take a parka.


Global Warming. Algore says you don't need to worry about a parka.

Richard Casady June 20th 09 09:36 PM

YIKES!!!
 
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:01:25 -0400, HK wrote:

Typically, we get about 25,000 kbps down and 11,000 up. Sometimes
substantially faster down, sometimes a little bit slower down. That's
with the NY server. The DC server gives much faster results.

Best not to try this at high traffic hours...do it either very early in
the am or very late at night.



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