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On Jun 2, 8:47 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:04:30 -0500, Vic Smith

wrote:
Mencken famously stated ""No one ever went broke underestimating the
taste of the American public."
GM has proven him wrong.

It worked for a while but they lost touch and started coasting. When
you look back at some of the barges they were selling in the 70s it's
a wonder they lasted as long as they did.

When we had the gas lines and the big three started trying to make a
gas saving vehicle, the Honda Civic came into play. Then GM tried with
the Vega, Ford the Pinto, Chrysler with the K car. BUT, out of those
crappy vehicles came the technology and research to make some decent
fuel efficient cars. I can only hope it'll be the same this time
around. During that time, the U.S. was bailing them out, too, just
like now.
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The only "bailout" I remember was a loan to Chrysler which was paid back in
full and ahead of schedule. Where there others?

Eisboch

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On Jun 2, 8:47 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:04:30 -0500, Vic Smith

wrote:
Mencken famously stated ""No one ever went broke underestimating the
taste of the American public."
GM has proven him wrong.

It worked for a while but they lost touch and started coasting. When
you look back at some of the barges they were selling in the 70s it's
a wonder they lasted as long as they did.

When we had the gas lines and the big three started trying to make a
gas saving vehicle, the Honda Civic came into play. Then GM tried with
the Vega, Ford the Pinto, Chrysler with the K car. BUT, out of those
crappy vehicles came the technology and research to make some decent
fuel efficient cars. I can only hope it'll be the same this time
around. During that time, the U.S. was bailing them out, too, just
like now.
-----------------------------------------

The only "bailout" I remember was a loan to Chrysler which was paid back
in full and ahead of schedule. Where there others?

Eisboch

ummm... "were" there others?

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On Jun 2, 8:47 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:04:30 -0500, Vic Smith

wrote:
Mencken famously stated ""No one ever went broke underestimating the
taste of the American public."
GM has proven him wrong.

It worked for a while but they lost touch and started coasting. When
you look back at some of the barges they were selling in the 70s it's
a wonder they lasted as long as they did.

When we had the gas lines and the big three started trying to make a
gas saving vehicle, the Honda Civic came into play. Then GM tried with
the Vega, Ford the Pinto, Chrysler with the K car. BUT, out of those
crappy vehicles came the technology and research to make some decent
fuel efficient cars. I can only hope it'll be the same this time
around. During that time, the U.S. was bailing them out, too, just
like now.
-----------------------------------------

The only "bailout" I remember was a loan to Chrysler which was paid
back in full and ahead of schedule. Where there others?

Eisboch

ummm... "were" there others?


There have been other U.S. government bailouts of corporations and
financial institutions...Lockheed, Penn Central, the S&L bailouts, and
others.

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On Jun 2, 8:47 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:04:30 -0500, Vic Smith

wrote:
Mencken famously stated ""No one ever went broke underestimating the
taste of the American public."
GM has proven him wrong.

It worked for a while but they lost touch and started coasting. When
you look back at some of the barges they were selling in the 70s it's
a wonder they lasted as long as they did.

When we had the gas lines and the big three started trying to make a
gas saving vehicle, the Honda Civic came into play. Then GM tried with
the Vega, Ford the Pinto, Chrysler with the K car. BUT, out of those
crappy vehicles came the technology and research to make some decent
fuel efficient cars. I can only hope it'll be the same this time
around. During that time, the U.S. was bailing them out, too, just
like now.
-----------------------------------------

The only "bailout" I remember was a loan to Chrysler which was paid back
in full and ahead of schedule. Where there others?

Eisboch

ummm... "were" there others?


There have been other U.S. government bailouts of corporations and
financial institutions...Lockheed, Penn Central, the S&L bailouts, and
others.


Please pay attention. The subject was US auto industry bailouts.

Eisboch

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On Jun 2, 8:47 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:04:30 -0500, Vic Smith

wrote:
Mencken famously stated ""No one ever went broke underestimating the
taste of the American public."
GM has proven him wrong.

It worked for a while but they lost touch and started coasting. When
you look back at some of the barges they were selling in the 70s it's
a wonder they lasted as long as they did.

When we had the gas lines and the big three started trying to make a
gas saving vehicle, the Honda Civic came into play. Then GM tried with
the Vega, Ford the Pinto, Chrysler with the K car. BUT, out of those
crappy vehicles came the technology and research to make some decent
fuel efficient cars. I can only hope it'll be the same this time
around. During that time, the U.S. was bailing them out, too, just
like now.
-----------------------------------------

The only "bailout" I remember was a loan to Chrysler which was paid
back in full and ahead of schedule. Where there others?

Eisboch

ummm... "were" there others?


There have been other U.S. government bailouts of corporations and
financial institutions...Lockheed, Penn Central, the S&L bailouts, and
others.


Please pay attention. The subject was US auto industry bailouts.

Eisboch


Sorry...I saw your question...I only skim the occasional Loogy dropping.

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:47:49 -0400, D K
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:36:29 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 08:38:25 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 11:14:36 -0400, "Doral 36" wrote:

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On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:49:44 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
.
Lefties aren't the ones who go postal. We realize we can't control
everything arounds us, unlike righties.
I think you are delusional if you don't think there are just as many nut
cases who profess to be on the right of left.

Mental illness has no restrictions.
Nutcases and postal are two different things.

Righties go postal.

May I point you to Wichita?
The man who killed JFK, Lee Oswald, was far enough left to move to the
USSR. He came back and killed the Prez. Within a day a right wing
nut, Jack Ruby, killed him. Scum come in all flavors. The nuts have
been working on the why of it ever since.

Casady

Richard, most of the violence we've seen in this country for the last
100 years comes from the right.

Oswald and Ruby were driven by far more than politics.

Just keeping making this **** up, moron. Donnie aside, no one here is
dumb enough to believe it.

Oh, that's an excellent argument filled with rich historical fact and
subtle nuance. Thanks for digging so deep into your intellectual
resources for the thoughtful response.

Silly ****ing ****.

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:43:25 -0400, D K
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:52:13 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:36:36 -0700, jps wrote:

I said that people who owned handguns were more likely to take their
own lives. Do you fit that description?
Tens of millions of handgun owners, a few thousand suicides. Many
people are math challenged. Are you?

Casady

I don't care how many are owned. It's how they're used.

A large percentage of use is against the owner or immediate family.

Bull****.

Another brilliant rebuttal by the rec.boats.****

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:45:04 -0400, D K
wrote:

HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:17:06 -0400, jim78 wrote:

wrote:
On Jun 2, 9:26 pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:55:45 -0700, jps wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:04:30 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
Mencken famously stated ""No one ever went broke underestimating
the
taste of the American public."
GM has proven him wrong.
--Vic
Does it really have to do with taste?
Just depends on how you define taste.
As in, "Not enough Americans have a taste for GM vehicles."
What got to me thinking about this was I saw a Bob Lutz interview
on TV.
Seemed like a reasonable guy.
So I looked him up on Wiki and found this:
"When Lutz became chairman of GM North American development in 2001
one of the first things he stated was that his new 500 hp car was
going to save General Motors. His full compensation in 2008 is
estimated at $6.9 million."
And this:
"He will retire from GM at the end of 2009. Lutz said that one reason
for his decision was the increasing regulatory climate in Washington
that would force him to design what Federal regulators wanted, rather
than what customers wanted."
That is what I mean by "taste."
Lutz and the others running GM were complete fools.
Gonna save GM with 500 hp car.
Gonna give the customers what they want.
Sorry, close your ears. I have to say this.
LUTZ, YOU TASTELESS ****ING MORON!!
I WOULDN'T HIRE YOU TO CUT BAIT!!
--Vic
It's been time for decades to wean american males off their
overpowered
penis substitutes in cars and boats.
Like lobster boats?
Krause sure does seem to have more than his share of penis
substitutes. Even if some of them are imaginary.

That you have any purpose is imaginary.


The only photo FloridaJim ever posted publicly that "claimed" ownership
of a boat showed a decrepit I/O hulk from the 1980s or early 1990s that
looked as if it had served as a roadside home for roaches and raccoons.

My guess is that he was mustered out of the Navy at some point, and that
service "servicing" his shipmates was the high point of his miserable
like. Afterwards, he pretended to be a boat repair handyman.


Amazing WAFA reply to boatless jps. Delicious!

What's delicious is how you stick your nose is other folk's sweaty
assholes. And, I have a boat silly ****.

Do you want to compare sizes? Value? HP? Bilge pumps?

Every newsgroup you frequent includes a long history of your
conflicts. Food, barbeque, fast food, what have you.

Every single newsgroup.

You really should up your sessions to 5 a week.

On Jun 3, 9:04*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
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On Jun 2, 8:47 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:04:30 -0500, Vic Smith

wrote:
Mencken famously stated ""No one ever went broke underestimating the
taste of the American public."
GM has proven him wrong.

It worked for a while but they lost touch and started coasting. When
you look back at some of the barges they were selling in the 70s it's
a wonder they lasted as long as they did.

When we had the gas lines and the big three started trying to make a
gas saving vehicle, the Honda Civic came into play. Then GM tried with
the Vega, Ford the Pinto, Chrysler with the K car. BUT, out of those
crappy vehicles came the technology and research to make some decent
fuel efficient cars. I can only hope it'll be the same this time
around. During that time, the U.S. was bailing them out, too, just
like now.
-----------------------------------------

The only "bailout" I remember was a loan to Chrysler which was paid back
in full and ahead of schedule. * Where there others?

Eisboch

ummm... *"were" there others?- Hide quoted text -

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Yes, but not as publicized, because in those days, Carter's bailout of
Chrysler was massive. But at the same time the government was
dribbling money (in loans again) to the other two that added up
substantially. The bailouts of today are designed as loans also.

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:54:29 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 19:45:04 -0400, D K
wrote:

HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:17:06 -0400, jim78 wrote:

wrote:
On Jun 2, 9:26 pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:55:45 -0700, jps wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:04:30 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
Mencken famously stated ""No one ever went broke underestimating
the
taste of the American public."
GM has proven him wrong.
--Vic
Does it really have to do with taste?
Just depends on how you define taste.
As in, "Not enough Americans have a taste for GM vehicles."
What got to me thinking about this was I saw a Bob Lutz interview
on TV.
Seemed like a reasonable guy.
So I looked him up on Wiki and found this:
"When Lutz became chairman of GM North American development in 2001
one of the first things he stated was that his new 500 hp car was
going to save General Motors. His full compensation in 2008 is
estimated at $6.9 million."
And this:
"He will retire from GM at the end of 2009. Lutz said that one reason
for his decision was the increasing regulatory climate in Washington
that would force him to design what Federal regulators wanted, rather
than what customers wanted."
That is what I mean by "taste."
Lutz and the others running GM were complete fools.
Gonna save GM with 500 hp car.
Gonna give the customers what they want.
Sorry, close your ears. I have to say this.
LUTZ, YOU TASTELESS ****ING MORON!!
I WOULDN'T HIRE YOU TO CUT BAIT!!
--Vic
It's been time for decades to wean american males off their
overpowered
penis substitutes in cars and boats.
Like lobster boats?
Krause sure does seem to have more than his share of penis
substitutes. Even if some of them are imaginary.

That you have any purpose is imaginary.


The only photo FloridaJim ever posted publicly that "claimed" ownership
of a boat showed a decrepit I/O hulk from the 1980s or early 1990s that
looked as if it had served as a roadside home for roaches and raccoons.

My guess is that he was mustered out of the Navy at some point, and that
service "servicing" his shipmates was the high point of his miserable
like. Afterwards, he pretended to be a boat repair handyman.


Amazing WAFA reply to boatless jps. Delicious!

What's delicious is how you stick your nose is other folk's sweaty
assholes. And, I have a boat silly ****.

What is a 'boat silly ****'.

Did he mean, 'I have a boat-silly ****'?

Did he mean, 'I have a boat, silly ****'?

Did he mean, 'I have a boat silly, ****?

These references to 'delicious' gay sex must be for the benefit of
Donnie and Harry,

I am surprised that people with *any* sense of decorum will even
converse with this guy.
--
John H

"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money." --Margaret Thatcher