On Fri, 29 May 2009 06:52:51 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 19:58:14 -0400, D K
wrote:

Wow! That 179 HP is just a bit more than half of the 350 HP in my SUV
and the torque is less than half.

What a (chick) machine!

You aren't going to try to tow with that, right?

I think the Navigator is rated at 5500. It has 330 cu in and 300 hp. I
have a one ton boat and no trailer brakes. The heft it has is more
than handy. We tried to pull it behind a Ranger and it didn't like to
stop. I have a 94 horse Mercedes that is rated at 150 tons,
300 if you connect the brakes on the railcars. Whatever
Casady


Are we supposed to be impressed that Dickqueless Krueger has an SUV with
twice the horsepower of someone else's SUV? Wow...that sure does it for
me, but it doesn't change the indisputable fact that Krueger is snarky,
worthless piece of ****, and worthy only of being filtered out of usenet.

I successfully towed a boat the size and weight of Krueger's behind a V6
Ranger without problems. You don't need a 350 hp SUV to tow a 19-foot
boat.

Engine size is a secondary consideration when towing IMO. A Ranger 4
cylinder will tow if you use the appropriate gears. Weight and suspension
of the tow vehicle is far more important. A Ranger may be fine for short
range towing of 2 or 3 thousand lbs, but I'd never attempt long range,
highway speed trips. They just aren't made for it. The last Ranger I had
was the "beefed up" Level Two version that had a heavier duty suspension
and tow package. It was rated for about 6,000 lbs, IIRC. It still was not
a safe truck for highway towing purposes, even with a light trailer and
load, which is why I traded it in for a F-250. Huge difference. Funny
thing is, the V6 Ranger only got about 3-4 mpg better gas mileage than the
F-250 achieves.

I may be a bit picky, but I've done quite a bit of long range towing over
the past 5 or 6 years. Learned my lesson. For example, the little
Sprinter RV with a 154hp diesel tows up to 5000 lbs effortlessly and it's
handling is virtually unaffected by the weight of the trailer.

Eisboch


I used you and it as an example over there. Amplify if you get a
chance - over there.
--

John H

John H wrote:
On Fri, 29 May 2009 06:52:51 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 19:58:14 -0400, D K
wrote:

Wow! That 179 HP is just a bit more than half of the 350 HP in my SUV
and the torque is less than half.

What a (chick) machine!

You aren't going to try to tow with that, right?
I think the Navigator is rated at 5500. It has 330 cu in and 300 hp. I
have a one ton boat and no trailer brakes. The heft it has is more
than handy. We tried to pull it behind a Ranger and it didn't like to
stop. I have a 94 horse Mercedes that is rated at 150 tons,
300 if you connect the brakes on the railcars. Whatever
Casady

Are we supposed to be impressed that Dickqueless Krueger has an SUV with
twice the horsepower of someone else's SUV? Wow...that sure does it for
me, but it doesn't change the indisputable fact that Krueger is snarky,
worthless piece of ****, and worthy only of being filtered out of usenet.

I successfully towed a boat the size and weight of Krueger's behind a V6
Ranger without problems. You don't need a 350 hp SUV to tow a 19-foot
boat.
Engine size is a secondary consideration when towing IMO. A Ranger 4
cylinder will tow if you use the appropriate gears. Weight and suspension
of the tow vehicle is far more important. A Ranger may be fine for short
range towing of 2 or 3 thousand lbs, but I'd never attempt long range,
highway speed trips. They just aren't made for it. The last Ranger I had
was the "beefed up" Level Two version that had a heavier duty suspension
and tow package. It was rated for about 6,000 lbs, IIRC. It still was not
a safe truck for highway towing purposes, even with a light trailer and
load, which is why I traded it in for a F-250. Huge difference. Funny
thing is, the V6 Ranger only got about 3-4 mpg better gas mileage than the
F-250 achieves.

I may be a bit picky, but I've done quite a bit of long range towing over
the past 5 or 6 years. Learned my lesson. For example, the little
Sprinter RV with a 154hp diesel tows up to 5000 lbs effortlessly and it's
handling is virtually unaffected by the weight of the trailer.

Eisboch


I used you and it as an example over there. Amplify if you get a
chance - over there.
--

John H

Where the heck is over there?

BTW:
http://www.clarku.edu/~djoyce/trig/what.html

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 28 May 2009 19:58:14 -0400, D K
wrote:

Wow! That 179 HP is just a bit more than half of the 350 HP in my
SUV and the torque is less than half.

What a (chick) machine!

You aren't going to try to tow with that, right?

I think the Navigator is rated at 5500. It has 330 cu in and 300 hp. I
have a one ton boat and no trailer brakes. The heft it has is more
than handy. We tried to pull it behind a Ranger and it didn't like to
stop. I have a 94 horse Mercedes that is rated at 150 tons,
300 if you connect the brakes on the railcars. Whatever
Casady


Are we supposed to be impressed that Dickqueless Krueger has an SUV
with twice the horsepower of someone else's SUV? Wow...that sure does
it for me, but it doesn't change the indisputable fact that Krueger is
snarky, worthless piece of ****, and worthy only of being filtered out
of usenet.

I successfully towed a boat the size and weight of Krueger's behind a
V6 Ranger without problems. You don't need a 350 hp SUV to tow a
19-foot boat.

Engine size is a secondary consideration when towing IMO. A Ranger 4
cylinder will tow if you use the appropriate gears. Weight and
suspension of the tow vehicle is far more important. A Ranger may be
fine for short range towing of 2 or 3 thousand lbs, but I'd never
attempt long range, highway speed trips. They just aren't made for
it. The last Ranger I had was the "beefed up" Level Two version that
had a heavier duty suspension and tow package. It was rated for about
6,000 lbs, IIRC. It still was not a safe truck for highway towing
purposes, even with a light trailer and load, which is why I traded it
in for a F-250. Huge difference. Funny thing is, the V6 Ranger only
got about 3-4 mpg better gas mileage than the F-250 achieves.

I may be a bit picky, but I've done quite a bit of long range towing
over the past 5 or 6 years. Learned my lesson. For example, the
little Sprinter RV with a 154hp diesel tows up to 5000 lbs effortlessly
and it's handling is virtually unaffected by the weight of the trailer.

Eisboch




I work hard to avoid long-distance towing. Got a couple of boat ramps
practically in the neighborhood, and three or four more in several
directions withing 20-25 miles. Once or twice a season, I'll consider
towing the boat to either Virginia Beach or the OBX.

I see a lot of Sprinters on the road equipped as commercial vehicles.
Visually, they seem to be very top-heavy, but if that were really a
problem, they would have been redesigned by now. There's really not a
lot of weight up there at roof level.

On Fri, 29 May 2009 06:52:51 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I may be a bit picky, but I've done quite a bit of long range towing over
the past 5 or 6 years. Learned my lesson. For example, the little
Sprinter RV with a 154hp diesel tows up to 5000 lbs effortlessly and it's
handling is virtually unaffected by the weight of the trailer.

Exactly the point - gearing and proper application of horse power.

I could pull 4,000 lbs at antique tractor pulls with my Super A which
had all of 18 horse power - not a full pull by any stretch, but 3/4 of
the way if it was a clay pit and 2/3 of the way with a pack sand pit.

"John H" wrote in message
...

I used you and it as an example over there. Amplify if you get a
chance - over there.
--


I just noticed it and replied.

Whoever said they can't do over 65 is full of it. The few times I've taken
it down to the Cape (not towing), I've had to back off at times because the
speed will slowly creep up to 80 without you noticing it. Also, they only
*look* top heavy. They are not.

I get a big kick out of experts who know everything but have no actual
knowledge or experience.

If you end up visiting, you can try it out. That little diesel is amazing.
And, unless you are told it's a diesel, you probably wouldn't know. I had
it running during the annual inspection last year and the guy doing the
inspection thought it was gas. That reminds me. Time for a new inspection
sticker.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I used you and it as an example over there. Amplify if you get a
chance - over there.
--


I just noticed it and replied.

Whoever said they can't do over 65 is full of it. The few times I've
taken it down to the Cape (not towing), I've had to back off at times
because the speed will slowly creep up to 80 without you noticing it.
Also, they only *look* top heavy. They are not.

I get a big kick out of experts who know everything but have no actual
knowledge or experience.

If you end up visiting, you can try it out. That little diesel is
amazing. And, unless you are told it's a diesel, you probably wouldn't
know. I had it running during the annual inspection last year and the
guy doing the inspection thought it was gas. That reminds me. Time for
a new inspection sticker.

Eisboch


Some of us view speed limits as speed limits, especially when towing. If
I exceed the speed limit when towing, it is by a mile an hour or two.

Gotta love the allusions to "over there," especially by the crappers
here who ruined Chuck's joint. :)

"HK" wrote in message
m...


I see a lot of Sprinters on the road equipped as commercial vehicles.
Visually, they seem to be very top-heavy, but if that were really a
problem, they would have been redesigned by now. There's really not a lot
of weight up there at roof level.


They only look top heavy because they are narrow and high. They were
designed for making deliveries in narrow European city streets. In fact,
the rear doors open a full 270 degrees and are held against the sides with
magnets for backing into narrow side streets to make deliveries.

But even the RV version like we have, on the longer, extended wheelbase,
higher roof and with an air conditioner mounted on it is not top heavy in
the least when driving.

Eisboch

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I used you and it as an example over there. Amplify if you get a
chance - over there.
--


I just noticed it and replied.

Whoever said they can't do over 65 is full of it. The few times I've
taken it down to the Cape (not towing), I've had to back off at times
because the speed will slowly creep up to 80 without you noticing it.
Also, they only *look* top heavy. They are not.

I get a big kick out of experts who know everything but have no actual
knowledge or experience.

If you end up visiting, you can try it out. That little diesel is
amazing. And, unless you are told it's a diesel, you probably wouldn't
know. I had it running during the annual inspection last year and
the guy doing the inspection thought it was gas. That reminds me.
Time for a new inspection sticker.

Eisboch


Some of us view speed limits as speed limits, especially when towing. If
I exceed the speed limit when towing, it is by a mile an hour or two.

Gotta love the allusions to "over there," especially by the crappers
here who ruined Chuck's joint. :)

Chuck's joint would have done fine without you or Jim H. How many times
were you two given time outs. You just cant help yourself. You are an
asshole and always will be.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I used you and it as an example over there. Amplify if you get a
chance - over there.
--


I just noticed it and replied.

Whoever said they can't do over 65 is full of it. The few times I've
taken it down to the Cape (not towing), I've had to back off at times
because the speed will slowly creep up to 80 without you noticing it.
Also, they only *look* top heavy. They are not.

I get a big kick out of experts who know everything but have no actual
knowledge or experience.

If you end up visiting, you can try it out. That little diesel is
amazing. And, unless you are told it's a diesel, you probably wouldn't
know. I had it running during the annual inspection last year and the
guy doing the inspection thought it was gas. That reminds me. Time for
a new inspection sticker.

Eisboch


Some of us view speed limits as speed limits, especially when towing. If I
exceed the speed limit when towing, it is by a mile an hour or two.

Gotta love the allusions to "over there," especially by the crappers here
who ruined Chuck's joint. :)


I get a kick out of your love of allusions.

Eisboch

On Fri, 29 May 2009 07:37:51 -0400, Eisboch wrote:

Whoever said they can't do over 65 is full of it. The few times I've
taken it down to the Cape (not towing), I've had to back off at times
because the speed will slowly creep up to 80 without you noticing it.
Also, they only *look* top heavy. They are not.

Just curious, how are they with the wind blowing?