I blame Scot...
 

jim7856 wrote:
John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2009 15:56:52 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 21 May 2009 18:46:21 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 21 May 2009 12:59:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

What amazes me is that there's a good bet the steel used in the
chinese screwdrivers are of as good or better quality than the german
made ones! Just because an item is expensive doesn't make it good.
I've actually been to the plant in S.C. where Craftman cordless tools
were being made. When it comes time to put the guts into the case, the
line divides in two. Why? Because one side gets Craftman cases, the
other, Ryobi! Same EXACT tools otherwise! SO, now I go to Home Depot
and buy Ryobi cordless tools. They work great. Almost as good as if
I'd bought Craftman for twice as much!
The guys down at Foskett Equipment had to buy a small leveling table
and a leveling vice so they put out a bid and bought a table and vice
from an American source - I don't remember which one at the moment,
(might have been Waldron/Stevens) but when they arrived, the surface
was pitted and definetly unlevel by a significant margin of error in
both the table and vice.

They went to Northern Supply and looked at the same two pieces made in
China - perfect surface, perfectly level and high quality at half the
price.

Go figure. :)
Tell that to the folks in Florida whose houses are deteriorating from
the sulfur-filled Chinese sheetrock or the parents of kids who've been
sucking on lead paint toys or dog owners whose pets were poisoned by
Chinese product.

Go to walmart, buy their ****, put your own country out of business.

Look in your own back yard:

jps started the day early having set his alarm clock
(MADE IN JAPAN)
for 6am.
While his coffeepot
(MADE IN CHINA)
was perking, he shaved with his electric razor
(MADE IN HONG KONG)
He put on a dress shirt
(MADE IN SRI LANKA),
designer jeans
(MADE IN SINGAPORE)
and tennis shoes
(MADE IN KOREA)
After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet
(MADE IN INDIA)
he sat down with his
calculator
(MADE IN MEXICO)
to see how much he could spend today.
After setting his watch
(MADE IN TAIWAN)
to the radio
(MADE IN INDIA)
he got in his car
(MADE IN GERMANY)
filled it with GAS
(from Saudi Arabia)
and continued to berate those who shopped at Wal Mart.

At the end of yet another discouraging
and fruitless day checking his Computer
(Made In Malaysia),
jps decided to relax for a while.
He put on his sandals
(MADE IN BRAZIL)
poured himself a glass of wine
(MADE IN FRANCE)
and turned on his TV
(MADE IN INDONESIA),
and then wondered why people didn't BUY AMERICA!

--

John H

Harry and JPS. Two peas in a pod.

Two assholes spooning in a pod.

I blame Scot...
 

On Fri, 22 May 2009 20:20:22 -0400, DK wrote:

jim7856 wrote:
John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2009 15:56:52 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 21 May 2009 18:46:21 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 21 May 2009 12:59:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

What amazes me is that there's a good bet the steel used in the
chinese screwdrivers are of as good or better quality than the german
made ones! Just because an item is expensive doesn't make it good.
I've actually been to the plant in S.C. where Craftman cordless tools
were being made. When it comes time to put the guts into the case, the
line divides in two. Why? Because one side gets Craftman cases, the
other, Ryobi! Same EXACT tools otherwise! SO, now I go to Home Depot
and buy Ryobi cordless tools. They work great. Almost as good as if
I'd bought Craftman for twice as much!
The guys down at Foskett Equipment had to buy a small leveling table
and a leveling vice so they put out a bid and bought a table and vice
from an American source - I don't remember which one at the moment,
(might have been Waldron/Stevens) but when they arrived, the surface
was pitted and definetly unlevel by a significant margin of error in
both the table and vice.

They went to Northern Supply and looked at the same two pieces made in
China - perfect surface, perfectly level and high quality at half the
price.

Go figure. :)
Tell that to the folks in Florida whose houses are deteriorating from
the sulfur-filled Chinese sheetrock or the parents of kids who've been
sucking on lead paint toys or dog owners whose pets were poisoned by
Chinese product.

Go to walmart, buy their ****, put your own country out of business.

Look in your own back yard:

jps started the day early having set his alarm clock
(MADE IN JAPAN)
for 6am.
While his coffeepot
(MADE IN CHINA)
was perking, he shaved with his electric razor
(MADE IN HONG KONG)
He put on a dress shirt
(MADE IN SRI LANKA),
designer jeans
(MADE IN SINGAPORE)
and tennis shoes
(MADE IN KOREA)
After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet
(MADE IN INDIA)
he sat down with his
calculator
(MADE IN MEXICO)
to see how much he could spend today.
After setting his watch
(MADE IN TAIWAN)
to the radio
(MADE IN INDIA)
he got in his car
(MADE IN GERMANY)
filled it with GAS
(from Saudi Arabia)
and continued to berate those who shopped at Wal Mart.

At the end of yet another discouraging
and fruitless day checking his Computer
(Made In Malaysia),
jps decided to relax for a while.
He put on his sandals
(MADE IN BRAZIL)
poured himself a glass of wine
(MADE IN FRANCE)
and turned on his TV
(MADE IN INDONESIA),
and then wondered why people didn't BUY AMERICA!

--

John H

Harry and JPS. Two peas in a pod.

Two assholes spooning in a pod.

And you and John make such a nice couple. Dick and ****.

I buy American when possible. Our latest auto is a Honda Pilot,
which was manufactured in the US. I'm turning my BMW in this
September and considering what's next. Maybe a hybrid.

I NEVER shop at walmart, the official retailer of the RNC and
"Conservatives."

I blame Scot...
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 May 2009 20:20:22 -0400, DK wrote:

jim7856 wrote:
John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2009 15:56:52 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 21 May 2009 18:46:21 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 21 May 2009 12:59:15 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

What amazes me is that there's a good bet the steel used in the
chinese screwdrivers are of as good or better quality than the
german
made ones! Just because an item is expensive doesn't make it good.
I've actually been to the plant in S.C. where Craftman cordless
tools
were being made. When it comes time to put the guts into the case,
the
line divides in two. Why? Because one side gets Craftman cases, the
other, Ryobi! Same EXACT tools otherwise! SO, now I go to Home Depot
and buy Ryobi cordless tools. They work great. Almost as good as if
I'd bought Craftman for twice as much!
The guys down at Foskett Equipment had to buy a small leveling table
and a leveling vice so they put out a bid and bought a table and vice
from an American source - I don't remember which one at the moment,
(might have been Waldron/Stevens) but when they arrived, the surface
was pitted and definetly unlevel by a significant margin of error in
both the table and vice.

They went to Northern Supply and looked at the same two pieces made
in
China - perfect surface, perfectly level and high quality at half the
price.

Go figure. :)
Tell that to the folks in Florida whose houses are deteriorating from
the sulfur-filled Chinese sheetrock or the parents of kids who've been
sucking on lead paint toys or dog owners whose pets were poisoned by
Chinese product.

Go to walmart, buy their ****, put your own country out of business.

Look in your own back yard:

jps started the day early having set his alarm clock
(MADE IN JAPAN)
for 6am.
While his coffeepot
(MADE IN CHINA)
was perking, he shaved with his electric razor
(MADE IN HONG KONG)
He put on a dress shirt
(MADE IN SRI LANKA),
designer jeans
(MADE IN SINGAPORE)
and tennis shoes
(MADE IN KOREA)
After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet
(MADE IN INDIA)
he sat down with his
calculator
(MADE IN MEXICO)
to see how much he could spend today.
After setting his watch
(MADE IN TAIWAN)
to the radio
(MADE IN INDIA)
he got in his car
(MADE IN GERMANY)
filled it with GAS
(from Saudi Arabia)
and continued to berate those who shopped at Wal Mart.

At the end of yet another discouraging
and fruitless day checking his Computer
(Made In Malaysia),
jps decided to relax for a while.
He put on his sandals
(MADE IN BRAZIL)
poured himself a glass of wine
(MADE IN FRANCE)
and turned on his TV
(MADE IN INDONESIA),
and then wondered why people didn't BUY AMERICA!

--

John H

Harry and JPS. Two peas in a pod.

Two assholes spooning in a pod.

And you and John make such a nice couple. Dick and ****.

I buy American when possible. Our latest auto is a Honda Pilot,
which was manufactured in the US. I'm turning my BMW in this
September and considering what's next. Maybe a hybrid.

I NEVER shop at walmart, the official retailer of the RNC and
"Conservatives."

Honda, assembled in America. Not manufactured in America.

I blame Scot...
 

On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:46:19 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I NEVER shop at walmart, the official retailer of the RNC and
"Conservatives."

Honda, assembled in America. Not manufactured in America.

I little research would help keep you from embarassing yourself...

LINCOLN, Ala. – The all-new, Alabama-built 2009 Honda Pilot arrives
at Honda dealerships nationwide today, marking the start of customer
sales of the innovative sport utility vehicle made only at Honda
Manufacturing of Alabama (HMA).

“Today, Honda customers can now share the pride that our 4,500
associates have in building and producing the 2009 Honda Pilot,” said
Mike Oatridge, vice president at Honda’s Alabama facility. “After
years of research, design and testing, the new Pilot is ready to meet
the challenge of our competition and exceed the expectations of Honda
customers.”

Honda’s Lincoln facility is the exclusive global production source of
both the Pilot and the Odyssey minivan. The Lincoln plant also
produces the V-6 engines for each vehicle. Exclusive production of
the 2009 Pilot began on April 15, 2008.


Another source:

Honda, the most fuel efficient car company in America, began
operations in the U.S. in 1959 with the establishment of American
Honda Motor Co., Inc., Honda's first overseas subsidiary. Honda now
employs more than 35,000 associates in North America. Honda currently
has 14 manufacturing plants in North America, producing automobiles,
light trucks, motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles, personal watercraft,
engines, transmissions and other components. Nearly 8 of 10 Honda and
Acura cars and light trucks sold in America are assembled in North
America as well. Many of these products are now designed and developed
at one of Honda's U.S. R&D centers. Honda annually purchases more than
$17 billion in parts and materials from suppliers in North America.

And another:

Honda also recognized 60 of its suppliers for their top performance
last year in the critical areas of quality, on-time parts delivery and
productivity improvements, including 12 in Ohio. With one triple and
10 double award recipients, Honda presented 72 awards to its North
American parts suppliers.

I blame Scot...
 

jps wrote:
On Fri, 22 May 2009 20:20:22 -0400, DK wrote:

jim7856 wrote:
John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2009 15:56:52 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 21 May 2009 18:46:21 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 21 May 2009 12:59:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

What amazes me is that there's a good bet the steel used in the
chinese screwdrivers are of as good or better quality than the german
made ones! Just because an item is expensive doesn't make it good.
I've actually been to the plant in S.C. where Craftman cordless tools
were being made. When it comes time to put the guts into the case, the
line divides in two. Why? Because one side gets Craftman cases, the
other, Ryobi! Same EXACT tools otherwise! SO, now I go to Home Depot
and buy Ryobi cordless tools. They work great. Almost as good as if
I'd bought Craftman for twice as much!
The guys down at Foskett Equipment had to buy a small leveling table
and a leveling vice so they put out a bid and bought a table and vice
from an American source - I don't remember which one at the moment,
(might have been Waldron/Stevens) but when they arrived, the surface
was pitted and definetly unlevel by a significant margin of error in
both the table and vice.

They went to Northern Supply and looked at the same two pieces made in
China - perfect surface, perfectly level and high quality at half the
price.

Go figure. :)
Tell that to the folks in Florida whose houses are deteriorating from
the sulfur-filled Chinese sheetrock or the parents of kids who've been
sucking on lead paint toys or dog owners whose pets were poisoned by
Chinese product.

Go to walmart, buy their ****, put your own country out of business.
Look in your own back yard:

jps started the day early having set his alarm clock
(MADE IN JAPAN)
for 6am.
While his coffeepot
(MADE IN CHINA)
was perking, he shaved with his electric razor
(MADE IN HONG KONG)
He put on a dress shirt
(MADE IN SRI LANKA),
designer jeans
(MADE IN SINGAPORE)
and tennis shoes
(MADE IN KOREA)
After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet
(MADE IN INDIA)
he sat down with his
calculator
(MADE IN MEXICO)
to see how much he could spend today.
After setting his watch
(MADE IN TAIWAN)
to the radio
(MADE IN INDIA)
he got in his car
(MADE IN GERMANY)
filled it with GAS
(from Saudi Arabia)
and continued to berate those who shopped at Wal Mart.

At the end of yet another discouraging
and fruitless day checking his Computer
(Made In Malaysia),
jps decided to relax for a while.
He put on his sandals
(MADE IN BRAZIL)
poured himself a glass of wine
(MADE IN FRANCE)
and turned on his TV
(MADE IN INDONESIA),
and then wondered why people didn't BUY AMERICA!

--

John H
Harry and JPS. Two peas in a pod.
Two assholes spooning in a pod.

And you and John make such a nice couple. Dick and ****.

I buy American when possible. Our latest auto is a Honda Pilot,
which was manufactured in the US. I'm turning my BMW in this
September and considering what's next. Maybe a hybrid.

I NEVER shop at walmart, the official retailer of the RNC and
"Conservatives."

But couldn't you find a US made screwdriver? ;)

--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in
spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in
no way are to be considered flaws or defects

I blame Scot...
 

On May 22, 3:56*pm, John H wrote:
On Fri, 22 May 2009 06:31:16 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 21, 9:42*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2009 15:56:52 -0700, jps wrote:
On Thu, 21 May 2009 18:46:21 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 21 May 2009 12:59:15 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

What amazes me is that there's a good bet the steel used in the
chinese screwdrivers are of as good or better quality than the german
made ones! Just because an item is expensive doesn't make it good.
I've actually been to the plant in S.C. where Craftman cordless tools
were being made. When it comes time to put the guts into the case, the
line divides in two. Why? Because one side gets Craftman cases, the
other, Ryobi! Same EXACT tools otherwise! SO, now I go to Home Depot
and buy Ryobi cordless tools. They work great. Almost as good as if
I'd bought Craftman for twice as much!

The guys down at Foskett Equipment had to buy a small leveling table
and a leveling vice so they put out a bid and bought a table and vice
from an American source - I don't remember which one at the moment,
(might have been Waldron/Stevens) but when they arrived, the surface
was pitted and definetly unlevel by a significant margin of error in
both the table and vice.

They went to Northern Supply and looked at the same two pieces made in
China - perfect surface, perfectly level and high quality at half the
price.

Go figure. *:)

Tell that to the folks in Florida whose houses are deteriorating from
the sulfur-filled Chinese sheetrock or the parents of kids who've been
sucking on lead paint toys or dog owners whose pets were poisoned by
Chinese product.

Go to walmart, buy their ****, put your own country out of business.

Look in your own back yard:

jps started the day early having set his alarm clock
(MADE IN JAPAN)
for 6am.
While his coffeepot
(MADE IN CHINA)
was perking, he shaved with his electric razor
(MADE IN HONG KONG)
He put on a dress shirt
(MADE IN SRI LANKA),
designer jeans
(MADE IN SINGAPORE)
and tennis shoes
(MADE IN KOREA)
After cooking his breakfast in his new electric skillet
(MADE IN INDIA)
he sat down with his
calculator
(MADE IN MEXICO)
to see how much he could spend today.
After setting his watch
(MADE IN TAIWAN)
to the radio
(MADE IN INDIA)
he got in his car
(MADE IN GERMANY)
filled it with GAS
(from Saudi Arabia)
and continued to berate those who shopped at Wal Mart.

At the end of yet another discouraging
and fruitless day checking his Computer
(Made In Malaysia),
jps decided to relax for a while.
He put on his sandals
(MADE IN BRAZIL)
poured himself a glass of wine
(MADE IN FRANCE)
and turned on his TV
(MADE IN INDONESIA),
and then wondered why people didn't BUY AMERICA!

--

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You forgot about his lunch. Pork from Mexico, vegetables from South
America, and fruits from Equador

I thought his favorite fruit came from Nova Scotia and drove a pink
Rav4.
--

John H- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay, you owe me a keyboard................!

I blame Scot...
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:46:19 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I NEVER shop at walmart, the official retailer of the RNC and
"Conservatives."

Honda, assembled in America. Not manufactured in America.

I little research would help keep you from embarassing yourself...

LINCOLN, Ala. - The all-new, Alabama-built 2009 Honda Pilot arrives
at Honda dealerships nationwide today, marking the start of customer
sales of the innovative sport utility vehicle made only at Honda
Manufacturing of Alabama (HMA).

"Today, Honda customers can now share the pride that our 4,500
associates have in building and producing the 2009 Honda Pilot," said
Mike Oatridge, vice president at Honda's Alabama facility. "After
years of research, design and testing, the new Pilot is ready to meet
the challenge of our competition and exceed the expectations of Honda
customers."

Honda's Lincoln facility is the exclusive global production source of
both the Pilot and the Odyssey minivan. The Lincoln plant also
produces the V-6 engines for each vehicle. Exclusive production of
the 2009 Pilot began on April 15, 2008.


Another source:

Honda, the most fuel efficient car company in America, began
operations in the U.S. in 1959 with the establishment of American
Honda Motor Co., Inc., Honda's first overseas subsidiary. Honda now
employs more than 35,000 associates in North America. Honda currently
has 14 manufacturing plants in North America, producing automobiles,
light trucks, motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles, personal watercraft,
engines, transmissions and other components. Nearly 8 of 10 Honda and
Acura cars and light trucks sold in America are assembled in North
America as well. Many of these products are now designed and developed
at one of Honda's U.S. R&D centers. Honda annually purchases more than
$17 billion in parts and materials from suppliers in North America.

And another:

Honda also recognized 60 of its suppliers for their top performance
last year in the critical areas of quality, on-time parts delivery and
productivity improvements, including 12 in Ohio. With one triple and
10 double award recipients, Honda presented 72 awards to its North
American parts suppliers.


"Nearly 8 of 10 Honda and Acura cars and light trucks sold in America are
assembled in North America as well"

The parts come in and are assembled here. My wife's Toyota Venza states on
the window sticker, 80% manufactured outside the USA. The building of those
parts are not here. The assembling is.

I blame Scot...
 

On Sat, 23 May 2009 12:49:54 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



The parts come in and are assembled here. My wife's Toyota Venza states on
the window sticker, 80% manufactured outside the USA. The building of those
parts are not here. The assembling is.

It's hard to get real source info since the Chamber of Commerce bought
out the Congress and raped labeling regulations.
It's my impression that some Honda/Toyota vehicles have more American
labor in them then some "Big 3" stuff.
You have to look into it hard to come to any answer.
The bally-hooed Ford Fusion is made in Mexico and Japan.
Even throwing an engine together at an engine plant provides less
work than the forging, casting, machining, heat-treating of the engine
parts. If those parts are shipped in from elsewhere, that's where the
bulk of the work was performed.
It's a lot of smoke and mirrors, all done to get the cheapest labor
and make folks think their local community won't be affected.
And it's all falling apart now.
When that insurance agent with the foreign car and the foreign
everything else can't find anybody who can afford his policies
he'll begin to see the light.
Henry Ford knew this, and paid his workers enough to buy his cars.
Don't know about his descendants, since making them in Mexico and
Japan isn't exactly contributing to American buying power.

--Vic

I blame Scot...
 

jps wrote:

Harry and JPS. Two peas in a pod.
Two assholes spooning in a pod.

And you and John make such a nice couple. Dick and ****.

I buy American when possible. Our latest auto is a Honda Pilot,
which was manufactured in the US. I'm turning my BMW in this
September and considering what's next. Maybe a hybrid.

I NEVER shop at walmart, the official retailer of the RNC and
"Conservatives."

My 2001 Acura MDX, and the early Honda Pilots, were assembled in Quebec.
Evidently they moved production to the US.

Both of my current BMW's were assembled in South Carolina.

They are still foreign cars so what's your point?

Be careful when you buy that "American" hybrid - if may have come from
Mexico, or ???

I blame Scot...
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2009 12:49:54 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


The parts come in and are assembled here. My wife's Toyota Venza states on
the window sticker, 80% manufactured outside the USA. The building of those
parts are not here. The assembling is.

It's hard to get real source info since the Chamber of Commerce bought
out the Congress and raped labeling regulations.
It's my impression that some Honda/Toyota vehicles have more American
labor in them then some "Big 3" stuff.
You have to look into it hard to come to any answer.
The bally-hooed Ford Fusion is made in Mexico and Japan.
Even throwing an engine together at an engine plant provides less
work than the forging, casting, machining, heat-treating of the engine
parts. If those parts are shipped in from elsewhere, that's where the
bulk of the work was performed.
It's a lot of smoke and mirrors, all done to get the cheapest labor
and make folks think their local community won't be affected.
And it's all falling apart now.
When that insurance agent with the foreign car and the foreign
everything else can't find anybody who can afford his policies
he'll begin to see the light.
Henry Ford knew this, and paid his workers enough to buy his cars.
Don't know about his descendants, since making them in Mexico and
Japan isn't exactly contributing to American buying power.

--Vic






Maybe we'll have "fair trade" on manufactured goods soon, as we do with
some imports of coffee and other foodstuffs.

---

Dick Cheney is rooting for America to be attacked by terrorists before
2012 so he can blame Barack Obama and the Democrats.

I blame Scot...
 

HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2009 12:49:54 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


The parts come in and are assembled here. My wife's Toyota Venza
states on the window sticker, 80% manufactured outside the USA. The
building of those parts are not here. The assembling is.
It's hard to get real source info since the Chamber of Commerce bought
out the Congress and raped labeling regulations.
It's my impression that some Honda/Toyota vehicles have more American
labor in them then some "Big 3" stuff.
You have to look into it hard to come to any answer.
The bally-hooed Ford Fusion is made in Mexico and Japan.
Even throwing an engine together at an engine plant provides less
work than the forging, casting, machining, heat-treating of the engine
parts. If those parts are shipped in from elsewhere, that's where the
bulk of the work was performed.
It's a lot of smoke and mirrors, all done to get the cheapest labor
and make folks think their local community won't be affected.
And it's all falling apart now.
When that insurance agent with the foreign car and the foreign
everything else can't find anybody who can afford his policies
he'll begin to see the light.
Henry Ford knew this, and paid his workers enough to buy his cars.
Don't know about his descendants, since making them in Mexico and
Japan isn't exactly contributing to American buying power.
--Vic






Maybe we'll have "fair trade" on manufactured goods soon, as we do with
some imports of coffee and other foodstuffs.

---

Dick Cheney is rooting for America to be attacked by terrorists before
2012 so he can blame Barack Obama and the Democrats.

Now you are projecting your thought processes onto Cheeny. What a guy.

Wasn't too long ago you were thrilled to point out the failure of any
endeavor on Bushes part that was intended to improve upon our country's
well being.

You are a moronic POS. But still I wish you a happy Memorial Day.

I blame Scot...
 

On Sat, 23 May 2009 15:20:14 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 23 May 2009 12:49:54 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:



The parts come in and are assembled here. My wife's Toyota Venza states on
the window sticker, 80% manufactured outside the USA. The building of those
parts are not here. The assembling is.

It's hard to get real source info since the Chamber of Commerce bought
out the Congress and raped labeling regulations.
It's my impression that some Honda/Toyota vehicles have more American
labor in them then some "Big 3" stuff.
You have to look into it hard to come to any answer.
The bally-hooed Ford Fusion is made in Mexico and Japan.
Even throwing an engine together at an engine plant provides less
work than the forging, casting, machining, heat-treating of the engine
parts. If those parts are shipped in from elsewhere, that's where the
bulk of the work was performed.
It's a lot of smoke and mirrors, all done to get the cheapest labor
and make folks think their local community won't be affected.
And it's all falling apart now.
When that insurance agent with the foreign car and the foreign
everything else can't find anybody who can afford his policies
he'll begin to see the light.
Henry Ford knew this, and paid his workers enough to buy his cars.
Don't know about his descendants, since making them in Mexico and
Japan isn't exactly contributing to American buying power.

--Vic

They use "assemble" when referring to putting the cars togethers.

It wasn't clear whether the engines "built" in Alabama were of
American parts or foriegn.

I'd expect some of each but it'd be good to know how built differs
from assembled in Honda parlance.

I blame Scot...
 

On Sat, 23 May 2009 06:30:20 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

jps wrote:

I buy American when possible. Our latest auto is a Honda Pilot,
which was manufactured in the US. I'm turning my BMW in this
September and considering what's next. Maybe a hybrid.

I NEVER shop at walmart, the official retailer of the RNC and
"Conservatives."

But couldn't you find a US made screwdriver? ;)

Not locally. I tried.

The US made stuff was aimed toward larger electrical use.

I blame Scot...
 

On Sat, 23 May 2009 19:38:57 -0400, D K
wrote:

jps wrote:

Harry and JPS. Two peas in a pod.
Two assholes spooning in a pod.

And you and John make such a nice couple. Dick and ****.

I buy American when possible. Our latest auto is a Honda Pilot,
which was manufactured in the US. I'm turning my BMW in this
September and considering what's next. Maybe a hybrid.

I NEVER shop at walmart, the official retailer of the RNC and
"Conservatives."

My 2001 Acura MDX, and the early Honda Pilots, were assembled in Quebec.
Evidently they moved production to the US.

Both of my current BMW's were assembled in South Carolina.

They are still foreign cars so what's your point?

Be careful when you buy that "American" hybrid - if may have come from
Mexico, or ???

OMG, more than "yes you are, no I'm not." I'm in shock.

I have an AWD 3 series made in Germany afer owning/leasing a series of
larger sedans. Got tired of the sedans, wanted something sportier.
Have had the sedans with twin turbos that are plenty fast but heavy.
The stiffer suspension and run flat tires make it bone jarring but
it's a lot closer to the road than the A6 or 5 series sedans.

I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.

I blame Scot...
 

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:



I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.

I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. That'll do.
Just my observation.
But since I never put much money in a car, and never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.

--Vic

I blame Scot...
 

On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:



I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.

I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. That'll do.
Just my observation.
But since I never put much money in a car, and never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.

--Vic

Cars have always been a thing for me. First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. $100. Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.

I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.

Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat.

"Cruising is working on your boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.

I blame Scot...
 

jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:


I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. That'll do.
Just my observation.
But since I never put much money in a car, and never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.

--Vic

Cars have always been a thing for me. First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. $100. Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.

I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.

Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat.

"Cruising is working on your boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.

I blame Scot...
 

jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:


I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. That'll do.
Just my observation.
But since I never put much money in a car, and never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.

--Vic

Cars have always been a thing for me. First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. $100. Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.

I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.

Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat.

"Cruising is working on your boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.


I had an MGA. Lovely looking car, really. Fabulous lines. Nice to drive,
but a real p.o.s. Of course, it had a kazillion millions on it when I
bought it.

I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.

I've been watching a bit of the Indy 500 today (speaking of cars), and I
was delighted to see how far Danica Patrick has come. Next year may be
*her* year at Indy.

I blame Scot...
 

HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:


I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. That'll do.
Just my observation. But since I never put much money in a car, and
never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.
--Vic

Cars have always been a thing for me. First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. $100. Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.

I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.

Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat.
"Cruising is working on your boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.


I had an MGA. Lovely looking car, really. Fabulous lines. Nice to drive,
but a real p.o.s. Of course, it had a kazillion millions on it when I
bought it.

I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.

I've been watching a bit of the Indy 500 today (speaking of cars), and I
was delighted to see how far Danica Patrick has come. Next year may be
*her* year at Indy.


Lovely MGA? Really Krause

Audis AND BMW 5s. I guess it's all right to dream a bit.

I blame Scot...
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...


I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.



Pound for pound, buck for buck, the BMW 5 series is one of the finest
automobiles being built.
And Audi isn't bad either.

Eisboch

I blame Scot...
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at
a new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much
for me.



Pound for pound, buck for buck, the BMW 5 series is one of the finest
automobiles being built.
And Audi isn't bad either.

Eisboch





Buck for buck, the BMW "5" series seems overpriced for what you get. I
took a look at a 535, but I was more impressed by a Lexus GS09. My
sister-in-law has an Audi A5 that I've driven. Nice car. But I still
like the Lexus better.

I blame Scot...
 

On Sun, 24 May 2009 18:20:22 -0400, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...


I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at
a new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much
for me.



Pound for pound, buck for buck, the BMW 5 series is one of the finest
automobiles being built.
And Audi isn't bad either.

Eisboch


Buck for buck, the BMW "5" series seems overpriced for what you get. I
took a look at a 535, but I was more impressed by a Lexus GS09. My
sister-in-law has an Audi A5 that I've driven. Nice car. But I still
like the Lexus better.


After two late model Audis, I would never buy anything that isn't all
wheel drive. Comes in very handy in the NW. Brought a 5 series from
California when my wife and I moved back to Seattle and the damn thing
wouldn't go up a 2% grade in snow.

Now have a AWD BMW that goes through pretty much anything.

Both the 5 series and A6 have gone stratospheric on price. They used
to be much more reasonable.

Probably both excellent buys if you let someone else pay the first
couple of years of depreciation.

I blame Scot...
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:


I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. That'll do.
Just my observation. But since I never put much money in a car, and
never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.
--Vic

Cars have always been a thing for me. First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. $100. Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.

I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.

Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat. "Cruising is working on your
boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.


I had an MGA. Lovely looking car, really. Fabulous lines. Nice to drive,
but a real p.o.s. Of course, it had a kazillion millions on it when I
bought it.

I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.

I've been watching a bit of the Indy 500 today (speaking of cars), and I
was delighted to see how far Danica Patrick has come. Next year may be
*her* year at Indy.


Would she be the first woman to win?
That sure would drive the good 'ole boys crazy.

I blame Scot...
 

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:


I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. That'll do.
Just my observation. But since I never put much money in a car, and
never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.
--Vic
Cars have always been a thing for me. First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. $100. Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.

I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.

Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat. "Cruising is working on your
boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.

I had an MGA. Lovely looking car, really. Fabulous lines. Nice to drive,
but a real p.o.s. Of course, it had a kazillion millions on it when I
bought it.

I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.

I've been watching a bit of the Indy 500 today (speaking of cars), and I
was delighted to see how far Danica Patrick has come. Next year may be
*her* year at Indy.


Would she be the first woman to win?
That sure would drive the good 'ole boys crazy.




Well, the Indy has a slightly different audience than redneck racing,
but, yes, if she won (she would be the first woman to do so), it would
cause apoplexy among some men.

I blame Scot...
 

jps wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2009 19:38:57 -0400, D K
wrote:

jps wrote:

Harry and JPS. Two peas in a pod.
Two assholes spooning in a pod.
And you and John make such a nice couple. Dick and ****.

I buy American when possible. Our latest auto is a Honda Pilot,
which was manufactured in the US. I'm turning my BMW in this
September and considering what's next. Maybe a hybrid.

I NEVER shop at walmart, the official retailer of the RNC and
"Conservatives."
My 2001 Acura MDX, and the early Honda Pilots, were assembled in Quebec.
Evidently they moved production to the US.

Both of my current BMW's were assembled in South Carolina.

They are still foreign cars so what's your point?

Be careful when you buy that "American" hybrid - if may have come from
Mexico, or ???

OMG, more than "yes you are, no I'm not." I'm in shock.

WTF those that mean?

I blame Scot...
 

jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:


I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. That'll do.
Just my observation.
But since I never put much money in a car, and never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.

--Vic

Cars have always been a thing for me. First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. $100. Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.

I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.

Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat.

"Cruising is working on your boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.

"A" boat or "your" boat? Do you even own a boat?

I blame Scot...
 

On Sun, 24 May 2009 20:43:38 -0400, D K
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:


I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. That'll do.
Just my observation.
But since I never put much money in a car, and never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.

--Vic

Cars have always been a thing for me. First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. $100. Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.

I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.

Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat.

"Cruising is working on your boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.

"A" boat or "your" boat? Do you even own a boat?

SOLD but kept the BW dink for the next acquisition. 40' Tolly
Sundeck. That's how I met Chuck Gould. He was a broker at the time
but I ended up finding the vessel I wanted in British Columbia. I'd
like to move to a 44' but cannot justify the expense now, too many
other priorities on the plate. Once I'm in the clear with kids
college and retirement, I intend to take the plunge if fuel hasn't
risen to the stock price of GE. Moorage, insurance and maintenance
costs are enough without having to pour $1500 into the fuel tanks each
cruise. I may end up chartering or go in partners or invest in a time
share or maybe a small Taiwanese single-screw trawler if the dream
boat remains to expensive for our budget.

I blame Scot...
 

On Sun, 24 May 2009 20:41:48 -0400, D K
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Sat, 23 May 2009 19:38:57 -0400, D K
wrote:

jps wrote:

Harry and JPS. Two peas in a pod.
Two assholes spooning in a pod.
And you and John make such a nice couple. Dick and ****.

I buy American when possible. Our latest auto is a Honda Pilot,
which was manufactured in the US. I'm turning my BMW in this
September and considering what's next. Maybe a hybrid.

I NEVER shop at walmart, the official retailer of the RNC and
"Conservatives."
My 2001 Acura MDX, and the early Honda Pilots, were assembled in Quebec.
Evidently they moved production to the US.

Both of my current BMW's were assembled in South Carolina.

They are still foreign cars so what's your point?

Be careful when you buy that "American" hybrid - if may have come from
Mexico, or ???

OMG, more than "yes you are, no I'm not." I'm in shock.

WTF those that mean?

If you don't understand it won't do any good to explain.

I blame Scot...
 

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"HK" wrote in message
m...


I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.



Pound for pound, buck for buck, the BMW 5 series is one of the finest
automobiles being built.
And Audi isn't bad either.

Eisboch



Then how come they can not get the turn signals to work? :}

I blame Scot...
 

On May 24, 5:44*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.

Pound for pound, buck for buck, the BMW 5 series is one of the finest
automobiles being built.
And Audi isn't bad either.

Eisboch

I recently got rid of my Boxster and bought an Audi A6 Quattro. I
needed back seats, and based on the A6 my wife had for a while
(company car) I really liked the Audi. It's probably the safest car
on the road, and is still fun to drive.

She's in a Lexus 460 right now. Luxury, comfort, power, bells &
whistles it has, but no soul. It's like driving your sofa down the
road.

The president of the company I work for races Porsches, and is a car
guy. He's had BMW's, Porsche's and Audi's. He drove an Acura RL for
a while, and complained about it being no fun. He's back in an
Audi... an S6 with the V10. That's one bad-assed car. :-)

I blame Scot...
 

On May 23, 3:49*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message

...





On Fri, 22 May 2009 21:46:19 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

I NEVER shop at walmart, the official retailer of the RNC and
"Conservatives."

Honda, assembled in America. *Not manufactured in America.

I little research would help keep you from embarassing yourself...

LINCOLN, Ala. * - The all-new, Alabama-built 2009 Honda Pilot arrives
at Honda dealerships nationwide today, marking the start of customer
sales of the innovative sport utility vehicle made only at Honda
Manufacturing of Alabama (HMA).

"Today, Honda customers can now share the pride that our 4,500
associates have in building and producing the 2009 Honda Pilot," said
Mike Oatridge, vice president at Honda's Alabama facility. "After
years of research, design and testing, the new Pilot is ready to meet
the challenge of our competition and exceed the expectations of Honda
customers."

Honda's Lincoln facility is the exclusive global production source of
both the Pilot and the Odyssey minivan. The Lincoln plant also
produces the V-6 engines for each *vehicle. Exclusive production of
the 2009 Pilot began on April 15, 2008.

Another source:

Honda, the most fuel efficient car company in America, began
operations in the U.S. in 1959 with the establishment of American
Honda Motor Co., Inc., Honda's first overseas subsidiary. Honda now
employs more than 35,000 associates in North America. Honda currently
has 14 manufacturing plants in North America, producing automobiles,
light trucks, motorcycles, all-terrain vehicles, personal watercraft,
engines, transmissions and other components. Nearly 8 of 10 Honda and
Acura cars and light trucks sold in America are assembled in North
America as well. Many of these products are now designed and developed
at one of Honda's U.S. R&D centers. Honda annually purchases more than
$17 billion in parts and materials from suppliers in North America.

And another:

Honda also recognized 60 of its suppliers for their top performance
last year in the critical areas of quality, on-time parts delivery and
productivity improvements, including 12 in Ohio. With one triple and
10 double award recipients, Honda presented 72 awards to its North
American parts suppliers.

"Nearly 8 of 10 Honda and Acura cars and light trucks sold in America are
assembled in North America as well"

The parts come in and are assembled here. *My wife's Toyota Venza states on
the window sticker, 80% manufactured outside the USA. *The building of those
parts are not here. *The assembling is.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So the UAW is composed of a bunch of guys putting square pegs in
square holes for 90 bucks an hour?

I blame Scot...
 

I blame Scot...
 

On May 24, 8:11*pm, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
om...
jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:

I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. *I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. *That'll do.
Just my observation. But since I never put much money in a car, and
never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.
--Vic
Cars have always been a thing for me. *First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. *$100. *Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. *Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.

I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. *I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. *My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.

Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). *It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat. *"Cruising is working on your
boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.

I had an MGA. Lovely looking car, really. Fabulous lines. Nice to drive,
but a real p.o.s. *Of course, it had a kazillion millions on it when I
bought it.

I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.

I've been watching a bit of the Indy 500 today (speaking of cars), and I
was delighted to see how far Danica Patrick has come. Next year may be
*her* year at Indy.

Would she be the first woman to win?
That sure would drive the good 'ole boys crazy.

Well, the Indy has a slightly different audience than redneck racing,
but, yes, if she won (she would be the first woman to do so), it would
cause apoplexy among some men.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Poor dumb Harry. Everyone here that knows about racing, understands
that as usual, Harry is sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Gee
being an alleged mechanical engineer, you'd think he'd know that
Sprint cup racing attracts some of the best engineers, scientists and
craftsmen in the U.S. Every part has gone through thorough and
meticulous design and testing. Comparing Sprint series owners builders
and drivers to "rednecks" (Harry's bigoted term) is just plain stupid.
It's akin to comparing aerospace engineers to janitors.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/1336277.html

http://www.digitalcad.com/Htm/FieldReports/nascar.htm

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/opin...ter/index.html

I blame Scot...
 

On May 24, 7:42*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...





jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:

I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. *I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. *That'll do.
Just my observation. But since I never put much money in a car, and
never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.
--Vic

Cars have always been a thing for me. *First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. *$100. *Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. *Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.

I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. *I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. *My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.

Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). *It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat. *"Cruising is working on your
boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.

I had an MGA. Lovely looking car, really. Fabulous lines. Nice to drive,
but a real p.o.s. *Of course, it had a kazillion millions on it when I
bought it.

I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.

I've been watching a bit of the Indy 500 today (speaking of cars), and I
was delighted to see how far Danica Patrick has come. Next year may be
*her* year at Indy.

Would she be the first woman to win?
That sure would drive the good 'ole boys crazy.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why?

I blame Scot...
 

On Mon, 25 May 2009 09:57:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Gee - being an alleged mechanical enginee

Who?

I blame Scot...
 

On May 25, 12:57*pm, wrote:
On May 24, 8:11*pm, HK wrote:





Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
om...
jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:

I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. *I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. *That'll do.
Just my observation. But since I never put much money in a car, and
never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.
--Vic
Cars have always been a thing for me. *First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. *$100. *Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. *Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.

I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. *I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. *My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.

Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). *It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat. *"Cruising is working on your
boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.

I had an MGA. Lovely looking car, really. Fabulous lines. Nice to drive,
but a real p.o.s. *Of course, it had a kazillion millions on it when I
bought it.

I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.

I've been watching a bit of the Indy 500 today (speaking of cars), and I
was delighted to see how far Danica Patrick has come. Next year may be
*her* year at Indy.

Would she be the first woman to win?
That sure would drive the good 'ole boys crazy.

Well, the Indy has a slightly different audience than redneck racing,
but, yes, if she won (she would be the first woman to do so), it would
cause apoplexy among some men.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Poor dumb Harry. Everyone here that knows about racing, understands
that as usual, Harry is sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Gee
being an alleged mechanical engineer, you'd think he'd know that
Sprint cup racing attracts some of the best engineers, scientists and
craftsmen in the U.S. Every part has gone through thorough and
meticulous design and testing. Comparing Sprint series owners builders
and drivers to "rednecks" (Harry's bigoted term) is just plain stupid.
It's akin to comparing aerospace engineers to janitors.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/1336277.html

http://www.digitalcad.com/Htm/FieldReports/nascar.htm

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/opin...s.wind.tun...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am a NASCAR fan, but I have been to Indy for the 500 more than any
other track I have visited.. Indy is great, everyone should experience
it at least once. Go a couple days early, camp in the field next to
the facility or in the yard of any one of hundreds who rent space out,
watch your car, provide utilities etc for a price... Then go see one
of the local State Troopers (very cool in the bear hats and brown
uniforms) and have them point you to the best scalpers. Scalping is
legal, we have never paid more than 65 dollars for the 45 dollar
tickets in the paddock area where we like to sit.. Anyway, Happy
Memorial day guys, The Mouse took a fifth place the first day and an
eigth on Sunday at Winchester Speed Park in Winchester NH, see you all
later, pics to follow..

Rowdy Mouse Racing, we race for cheese!

I blame Scot...
 

wrote:
On May 25, 12:57 pm, wrote:
On May 24, 8:11 pm, HK wrote:





Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:
I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. That'll do.
Just my observation. But since I never put much money in a car, and
never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.
--Vic
Cars have always been a thing for me. First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. $100. Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.
I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.
Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat. "Cruising is working on your
boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.
I had an MGA. Lovely looking car, really. Fabulous lines. Nice to drive,
but a real p.o.s. Of course, it had a kazillion millions on it when I
bought it.
I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.
I've been watching a bit of the Indy 500 today (speaking of cars), and I
was delighted to see how far Danica Patrick has come. Next year may be
*her* year at Indy.
Would she be the first woman to win?
That sure would drive the good 'ole boys crazy.
Well, the Indy has a slightly different audience than redneck racing,
but, yes, if she won (she would be the first woman to do so), it would
cause apoplexy among some men.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Poor dumb Harry. Everyone here that knows about racing, understands
that as usual, Harry is sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Gee
being an alleged mechanical engineer, you'd think he'd know that
Sprint cup racing attracts some of the best engineers, scientists and
craftsmen in the U.S. Every part has gone through thorough and
meticulous design and testing. Comparing Sprint series owners builders
and drivers to "rednecks" (Harry's bigoted term) is just plain stupid.
It's akin to comparing aerospace engineers to janitors.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/1336277.html

http://www.digitalcad.com/Htm/FieldReports/nascar.htm

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/opin...s.wind.tun...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am a NASCAR fan, but I have been to Indy for the 500 more than any
other track I have visited.. Indy is great, everyone should experience
it at least once. Go a couple days early, camp in the field next to
the facility or in the yard of any one of hundreds who rent space out,
watch your car, provide utilities etc for a price... Then go see one
of the local State Troopers (very cool in the bear hats and brown
uniforms) and have them point you to the best scalpers. Scalping is
legal, we have never paid more than 65 dollars for the 45 dollar
tickets in the paddock area where we like to sit.. Anyway, Happy
Memorial day guys, The Mouse took a fifth place the first day and an
eigth on Sunday at Winchester Speed Park in Winchester NH, see you all
later, pics to follow..

Rowdy Mouse Racing, we race for cheese!


Dumber-than-an-idiot Loogy thinks I am a mechanical engineer? That's
hilarious. I did take a couple of engineering courses while we lived in
Florida, but I'm not an engineer and I don't play one on usenet, as
dumber-than-an-idiot tries to do.

The Indy race is the greatest sports spectacle in the United States.
Indianapolis, however, is one sickeningly conservative, boring city.

I blame Scot...
 

On May 25, 6:57*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On May 25, 12:57 pm, wrote:
On May 24, 8:11 pm, HK wrote:

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
news:yOqdnYxVneAcMoTXnZ2dnUVZ_gCdnZ2d@earthlin k.com...
jps wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 13:53:05 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:06:53 -0700, jps wrote:
I'm not convinced that US manufacturers have the hybrid down but I'm
open to it. *I'd like to support a US manufacturer if I can find a
quality product.
I've never had that problem.
"Quality" means different things to different people.
Foreign-car buyers are what they are.
They'll always find something wrong with the "American" product.
Nature of the beast.
You want to divorce your wife, there's always an excuse.
She cuts the bologna too thick. *That'll do.
Just my observation. But since I never put much money in a car, and
never bought
a new one, I'm sure as hell not going to tell anybody else how to
spend their money.
--Vic
Cars have always been a thing for me. *First car was a '61 VW with a
blown engine. *$100. *Rebuilt the engine for a couple hundred more in
parts and had a car. *Ended up working on cars for a living for a few
years between stints at college.
I've been through 20 cars in 35 years. *I have an appreciation for
well-built vehicles and a distain for poor engineering/execution. *My
weakness for badly executed vehilcles were the MGs and Austins.
Still do all our maintenance (for what's not factory covered). *It's
the same bliss I feel working on a boat. *"Cruising is working on your
boat in exotic locations" fits perfectly.
I had an MGA. Lovely looking car, really. Fabulous lines. Nice to drive,
but a real p.o.s. *Of course, it had a kazillion millions on it when I
bought it.
I've been looking for a new "road car," and so far, I've not found
anything that compete with some of the Japanese brands. Took a look at a
new "5" series BMW and a couple of Audis, but they didn't do much for me.
I've been watching a bit of the Indy 500 today (speaking of cars), and I
was delighted to see how far Danica Patrick has come. Next year may be
*her* year at Indy.
Would she be the first woman to win?
That sure would drive the good 'ole boys crazy.
Well, the Indy has a slightly different audience than redneck racing,
but, yes, if she won (she would be the first woman to do so), it would
cause apoplexy among some men.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Poor dumb Harry. Everyone here that knows about racing, understands
that as usual, Harry is sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Gee
being an alleged mechanical engineer, you'd think he'd know that
Sprint cup racing attracts some of the best engineers, scientists and
craftsmen in the U.S. Every part has gone through thorough and
meticulous design and testing. Comparing Sprint series owners builders
and drivers to "rednecks" (Harry's bigoted term) is just plain stupid.
It's akin to comparing aerospace engineers to janitors.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/1336277.html

http://www.digitalcad.com/Htm/FieldReports/nascar.htm

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/opin...nd.tun....Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I am a NASCAR fan, but I have been to Indy for the 500 more than any
other track I have visited.. Indy is great, everyone should experience
it at least once. Go a couple days early, camp in the field next to
the facility or in the yard of any one of hundreds who rent space out,
watch your car, provide utilities etc for a price... Then go see one
of the local State Troopers (very cool in the bear hats and brown
uniforms) and have them point you to the best scalpers. Scalping is
legal, we have never paid more than 65 dollars for the 45 dollar
tickets in the paddock area where we like to sit.. *Anyway, Happy
Memorial day guys, The Mouse took a fifth place the first day and an
eigth on Sunday at Winchester Speed Park in Winchester NH, see you all
later, pics to follow..

Rowdy Mouse Racing, we race for cheese!

Dumber-than-an-idiot Loogy thinks I am a mechanical engineer? That's
hilarious. I did take a couple of engineering courses while we lived in
Florida, but I'm not an engineer and I don't play one on usenet, as
dumber-than-an-idiot tries to do.

The Indy race is the greatest sports spectacle in the United States.
Indianapolis, however, is one sickeningly conservative, boring city.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Who the f**k cares what you think of Indy? You just make it up as you
go along, you have probably never even been there, WAFA

I blame Scot...
 

I blame Scot...
 

On May 25, 9:53*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On May 25, 6:57 pm, HK wrote:

The Indy race is the greatest sports spectacle in the United States.
Indianapolis, however, is one sickeningly conservative, boring city.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Who the f**k cares what you think of Indy? You just make it up as you
go along, you have probably never even been there, WAFA

Actually, crap-for-brains, I have been to Indianapolis at least a dozen
times in my lifetime. I've always had the same opinion of the city.
Obviously, *you* care what I think...or is it that I do think, which is
something you obviously cannot do?

Lobsta' Boat as usual...