On Sun, 17 May 2009 07:31:31 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:


I am still trying to figure out what is the advantage of trashing an
organization and forming a new one that will perform the exact same
function. Even if you believe an organization is incompetent, it makes
no sense to trash and start up a new organization to perform the exact
same function as the old organization. If you believe the current
organization is not working correctly, it makes sense to redefine the
mission of the organization, and then hire a management team and/or
retrain your managers and employees so they achieve those objectives.
Can you imagine what the labor unions would do if a corporations
"trashed" their employees and started up a new company every time they
had a bad quarter or if they needed to redefine their mission statement?

While not referring to the CIA specifically, if the "rot" is endemic, a
management restructuring may not be enough. We have *16* major
intelligence agencies, and quite a few minor ones. Somewhere along the
line, a top to bottom overhaul is needed to bring our intelligence
services into the 21st century, and avoid unnecessary duplications.

thunder wrote:
On Sun, 17 May 2009 07:31:31 -0400, Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:


I am still trying to figure out what is the advantage of trashing an
organization and forming a new one that will perform the exact same
function. Even if you believe an organization is incompetent, it makes
no sense to trash and start up a new organization to perform the exact
same function as the old organization. If you believe the current
organization is not working correctly, it makes sense to redefine the
mission of the organization, and then hire a management team and/or
retrain your managers and employees so they achieve those objectives.
Can you imagine what the labor unions would do if a corporations
"trashed" their employees and started up a new company every time they
had a bad quarter or if they needed to redefine their mission statement?

While not referring to the CIA specifically, if the "rot" is endemic, a
management restructuring may not be enough. We have *16* major
intelligence agencies, and quite a few minor ones. Somewhere along the
line, a top to bottom overhaul is needed to bring our intelligence
services into the 21st century, and avoid unnecessary duplications.

Nobody trusts anybody else. The CIA was setup to be "the" intelligence
agency but, they didn't want to the raw data to other organizations. The
CIA wanted to process the data and formulate a report. The intended
consumers of the CIA's formualted report couldn't wait and wanted access
to the raw data. The CIA has and continues to refuse to provide the
consumers with the raw data. So, the consumers of the CIA's data have
been forced to create their own intelligence agency in order to get raw
intelligence in a timely manner.

Now it is all about protecting budgets.

On May 17, 6:55*am, thunder wrote:

While not referring to the CIA specifically, if the "rot" is endemic, a
management restructuring may not be enough. *We have *16* major
intelligence agencies, and quite a few minor ones. *


And those are just the ones we know of.

On Sun, 17 May 2009 07:31:31 -0400, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

Can you imagine what the labor unions would do if a corporations
"trashed" their employees and started up a new company every time they
had a bad quarter or if they needed to redefine their mission statement?

Best car I ever had was a 1988 Mercury Tracer. Car and Driver had
called it the best car under ten grand. I was a Mercury dealer at the
time, and so I didn't want to drive a foreign car. It said Mercury
right on it. It was actually a Mazda, and was made in Mexico, and to
hell with the unions.

Casady

HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2009 13:31:57 -0400, BAR wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Sat, 16 May 2009 09:23:58 -0400, BAR wrote:


She seems to ignore the fact that a new president was going to be
elected with or without her involvement or position in Congress.
Bush's time was over. Both candidates .... Obama and McCain
were and are on record has opposing torture.
That's a good point.
Its a very good point that is completely lost on the fourth estate.
Except think timeline, the briefing meeting was back in 2003. Any
work
to get Kerry elected failed, and, for the next 4 years, no one knew
who
the 2008 candidates were going to be.
Except that Pelosi's comments today cannot be verified to have occurred
in 2003. Pelosi is trying to rewrite history but, she fails to
understand that the events she is attempting to rewrite never occurred.

Pelosi is now backtracking on her accusation that the CIA lied to her
and congress. I guess she didn't listen when she told her children that
honesty was the best policy. Or, she may not have told her children
that
honesty was the best policy.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Pelosi's veracity. She is a
politician, after all, but this particular point, about Obama and
McCain both being against torture, doesn't pin her in a lie. Pelosi
is a lightweight, and now damaged, but I don't see this bringing her
down, way too much wiggle room in her statements. There is also
danger for the Republicans trying to pin this on her. There weren't
only Democrats at that briefing. If Pelosi knew about torture, many
in the Republican leadership did also.

Spin it any way you want. Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, called the
CIA liars one and all. The CIA doesn't like to be attacked like that
and they will not retaliate publicly but they will retaliate.

The Republicans did not call the CIA liars. The Republicans are smart
enough not to get into a public ****ing match with the CIA. Pelosi is
keeping the story on page one. Obama and Emanuel smell blood in the
water, they want their man, Steny Hoyer, sitting in the Speaker's
office. This isn't a Republican power play at this point.

This is pretty funny. The CIA is one of the least competent of federal
agencies...it ought to be trashed and a new intel agency formed, one
that might do better at gathering human intel and less involved in
trying to screw around with other countries.

"The republicans are smart enough..." Funniest laugh line of the year.
The republicans couldn't find their way out of a closet with a glass door.

I can't visualize you laughing unless you see someone in pain,
disadvantaged, or in some way suffering.