On May 14, 6:26*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

It occurred to me that GM, with 15 days left to come up with an
acceptable survival plan to qualify for more bailout funds from the
government, may simply be playing high stakes poker with the government
by leaking info that they plan to export Chinese built cars to the US. *
In other words, "give us more money, President Obama, and we'll drop the
Chinese export/import plan."

Further convinces me to never, ever, buy a GM product. *Let 'em go
belly-up for good.

Meanwhile, our neighbor is taking delivery next week of his new, "Smart
Car". * He recently totaled his last car and Mrs.E. lent him the use of
her little VW Beetle until he got a replacement. * I am sure I'll be
able to try out the Smart Car and I'll post my impressions of it.

Eisboch

Your neighbor totalled his last car and now he wants one of those little
boxes? My guess is they don't do so well in crash tests. Evolution in
action, as it were.- Hide quoted text -

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Bigger doesn't always mean better. Look at you, you're a big nasty fat
ass, but have no redeeming values at all.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

It occurred to me that GM, with 15 days left to come up with an
acceptable survival plan to qualify for more bailout funds from the
government, may simply be playing high stakes poker with the government
by leaking info that they plan to export Chinese built cars to the US.
In other words, "give us more money, President Obama, and we'll drop the
Chinese export/import plan."

Further convinces me to never, ever, buy a GM product. Let 'em go
belly-up for good.

Meanwhile, our neighbor is taking delivery next week of his new, "Smart
Car". He recently totaled his last car and Mrs.E. lent him the use of
her little VW Beetle until he got a replacement. I am sure I'll be able
to try out the Smart Car and I'll post my impressions of it.

Eisboch



Your neighbor totalled his last car and now he wants one of those little
boxes? My guess is they don't do so well in crash tests. Evolution in
action, as it were.

If someone wants a tiny car...why not try the Honda Fit.
On the various vehicle review TV programs..the testers seem to love the
little car... especially the 2009 version which is supposed to be a bit
roomier.
PersonallyI think any normal sized, middle-aged adult would be more
comfortable in something a bit bigger...like a RAV4.
Oversized 'mericans might want a Highlander or Honda Pilot

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
It occurred to me that GM, with 15 days left to come up with an
acceptable survival plan to qualify for more bailout funds from the
government, may simply be playing high stakes poker with the government
by leaking info that they plan to export Chinese built cars to the US.
In other words, "give us more money, President Obama, and we'll drop the
Chinese export/import plan."

Further convinces me to never, ever, buy a GM product. Let 'em go
belly-up for good.

Meanwhile, our neighbor is taking delivery next week of his new, "Smart
Car". He recently totaled his last car and Mrs.E. lent him the use of
her little VW Beetle until he got a replacement. I am sure I'll be able
to try out the Smart Car and I'll post my impressions of it.

Eisboch


Your neighbor totalled his last car and now he wants one of those little
boxes? My guess is they don't do so well in crash tests. Evolution in
action, as it were.

If someone wants a tiny car...why not try the Honda Fit.
On the various vehicle review TV programs..the testers seem to love the
little car... especially the 2009 version which is supposed to be a bit
roomier.
PersonallyI think any normal sized, middle-aged adult would be more
comfortable in something a bit bigger...like a RAV4.
Oversized 'mericans might want a Highlander or Honda Pilot


Some would and some wouldn't. The fit is really too small. We traded a
sporty car in on a CRV. My wife wasn't thrilled at first to make the
trade but she soon grew to like the CRV a lot. It's definately more
comfortable than the cars they are making today. We bought it to be
towed not tow, so it doesn't bother me that it would be a **** poor tow
vehicle.

"jim7856" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
It occurred to me that GM, with 15 days left to come up with an
acceptable survival plan to qualify for more bailout funds from the
government, may simply be playing high stakes poker with the government
by leaking info that they plan to export Chinese built cars to the US.
In other words, "give us more money, President Obama, and we'll drop
the Chinese export/import plan."

Further convinces me to never, ever, buy a GM product. Let 'em go
belly-up for good.

Meanwhile, our neighbor is taking delivery next week of his new, "Smart
Car". He recently totaled his last car and Mrs.E. lent him the use of
her little VW Beetle until he got a replacement. I am sure I'll be
able to try out the Smart Car and I'll post my impressions of it.

Eisboch


Your neighbor totalled his last car and now he wants one of those little
boxes? My guess is they don't do so well in crash tests. Evolution in
action, as it were.

If someone wants a tiny car...why not try the Honda Fit.
On the various vehicle review TV programs..the testers seem to love the
little car... especially the 2009 version which is supposed to be a bit
roomier.
PersonallyI think any normal sized, middle-aged adult would be more
comfortable in something a bit bigger...like a RAV4.
Oversized 'mericans might want a Highlander or Honda Pilot
Some would and some wouldn't. The fit is really too small. We traded a
sporty car in on a CRV. My wife wasn't thrilled at first to make the trade
but she soon grew to like the CRV a lot. It's definately more comfortable
than the cars they are making today. We bought it to be towed not tow, so
it doesn't bother me that it would be a **** poor tow vehicle.

We just bought a new Venza. The Highlander had poor visibility. The rear
seat headrests block the directly behind view. The Rav4 is too small. The
Venza is rated for a 3500# tow capacity, and the only reason it is getting a
trailer hitch is to hold the bike rack. I tow with a 3/4 Ton Chevy diesel.
Older guy in town I am friends with just bought a Smart. Actually has
decent seating room. I fit and I am 6'4" and 230#. But for a small car, it
should get more than the 40 mpg they rate. The Venza is rated for 27
highway. I got 22.7 for a trip down I-5 to L.A. driving 85-90 a lot of the
way. So at normal 65 mph should get near the rated mileage.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...


We just bought a new Venza. The Highlander had poor visibility. The rear
seat headrests block the directly behind view. The Rav4 is too small.
The Venza is rated for a 3500# tow capacity, and the only reason it is
getting a trailer hitch is to hold the bike rack. I tow with a 3/4 Ton
Chevy diesel. Older guy in town I am friends with just bought a Smart.
Actually has decent seating room. I fit and I am 6'4" and 230#. But for
a small car, it should get more than the 40 mpg they rate. The Venza is
rated for 27 highway. I got 22.7 for a trip down I-5 to L.A. driving
85-90 a lot of the way. So at normal 65 mph should get near the rated
mileage.


I don't know how accurate the on board computer is on this car, but the
Mustang GT I bought with a 5 speed manual transmission indicates just over
22 mpg average and just about 24 mpg when I reset it and measure highway
only.
It only has 800 miles on it and I haven't verified the numbers manually yet.

But that's with a 300 hp V8 engine. I don't drive crazy or particularly
fast, but I do get on it a bit once in a while when getting on the highway.

Eisboch

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"jim7856" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
It occurred to me that GM, with 15 days left to come up with an
acceptable survival plan to qualify for more bailout funds from the
government, may simply be playing high stakes poker with the
government by leaking info that they plan to export Chinese built cars
to the US. In other words, "give us more money, President Obama, and
we'll drop the Chinese export/import plan."

Further convinces me to never, ever, buy a GM product. Let 'em go
belly-up for good.

Meanwhile, our neighbor is taking delivery next week of his new,
"Smart Car". He recently totaled his last car and Mrs.E. lent him
the use of her little VW Beetle until he got a replacement. I am
sure I'll be able to try out the Smart Car and I'll post my
impressions of it.

Eisboch


Your neighbor totalled his last car and now he wants one of those
little boxes? My guess is they don't do so well in crash tests.
Evolution in action, as it were.

If someone wants a tiny car...why not try the Honda Fit.
On the various vehicle review TV programs..the testers seem to love the
little car... especially the 2009 version which is supposed to be a bit
roomier.
PersonallyI think any normal sized, middle-aged adult would be more
comfortable in something a bit bigger...like a RAV4.
Oversized 'mericans might want a Highlander or Honda Pilot
Some would and some wouldn't. The fit is really too small. We traded a
sporty car in on a CRV. My wife wasn't thrilled at first to make the
trade but she soon grew to like the CRV a lot. It's definately more
comfortable than the cars they are making today. We bought it to be towed
not tow, so it doesn't bother me that it would be a **** poor tow
vehicle.

We just bought a new Venza. The Highlander had poor visibility. The rear
seat headrests block the directly behind view. The Rav4 is too small.
The Venza is rated for a 3500# tow capacity, and the only reason it is
getting a trailer hitch is to hold the bike rack. I tow with a 3/4 Ton
Chevy diesel. Older guy in town I am friends with just bought a Smart.
Actually has decent seating room. I fit and I am 6'4" and 230#. But for
a small car, it should get more than the 40 mpg they rate. The Venza is
rated for 27 highway. I got 22.7 for a trip down I-5 to L.A. driving
85-90 a lot of the way. So at normal 65 mph should get near the rated
mileage.

The Venza is a new car and the Consumer Report review was a tad less than
favourable.
I'm sure all that will be worked out in a year or so.

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:
It occurred to me that GM, with 15 days left to come up with an
acceptable survival plan to qualify for more bailout funds from the
government, may simply be playing high stakes poker with the government
by leaking info that they plan to export Chinese built cars to the US.
In other words, "give us more money, President Obama, and we'll drop the
Chinese export/import plan."

Further convinces me to never, ever, buy a GM product. Let 'em go
belly-up for good.

Meanwhile, our neighbor is taking delivery next week of his new, "Smart
Car". He recently totaled his last car and Mrs.E. lent him the use of
her little VW Beetle until he got a replacement. I am sure I'll be able
to try out the Smart Car and I'll post my impressions of it.

Eisboch


Your neighbor totalled his last car and now he wants one of those little
boxes? My guess is they don't do so well in crash tests. Evolution in
action, as it were.

If someone wants a tiny car...why not try the Honda Fit.
On the various vehicle review TV programs..the testers seem to love the
little car... especially the 2009 version which is supposed to be a bit
roomier.
PersonallyI think any normal sized, middle-aged adult would be more
comfortable in something a bit bigger...like a RAV4.
Oversized 'mericans might want a Highlander or Honda Pilot



"Middle aged"? You must be kidding.

Try the "ultimate driving machine" and you won't go back.

On Thu, 14 May 2009 05:13:47 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


It occurred to me that GM, with 15 days left to come up with an acceptable
survival plan to qualify for more bailout funds from the government, may
simply be playing high stakes poker with the government by leaking info that
they plan to export Chinese built cars to the US. In other words, "give us
more money, President Obama, and we'll drop the Chinese export/import plan."

Further convinces me to never, ever, buy a GM product. Let 'em go belly-up
for good.

Your call. I think the main reason Ford kept it's head above water
was making so much stuff in Mexico. Not sure of that though.
The Fusion you mentioned getting good reviews is made in Mexico, trans
made in Japan. I heard the Focus, a good Ford seller, will be made
out of the country next year.
If it keeps going like this, pretty soon if you want an "American" car
your choice will be Toyota, Honda or Nissan.
The Japs are more patriotic Americans than the Americans!
Of course business and patriotism parted ways long ago.

Meanwhile, our neighbor is taking delivery next week of his new, "Smart
Car". He recently totaled his last car and Mrs.E. lent him the use of her
little VW Beetle until he got a replacement. I am sure I'll be able to try
out the Smart Car and I'll post my impressions of it.

French socialist car. I had a French bicycle.
Peugot. Paid too much for it.
Last week my wife got gas for 2.24. Next day the sign was 2.34, next
day 2.42.
I've got a feeling that gas won't go too high for a while.
You need customers with jobs and money.

--Vic

On May 14, 10:47*am, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2009 05:13:47 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:



It occurred to me that GM, with 15 days left to come up with an acceptable
survival plan to qualify for more bailout funds from the government, may
simply be playing high stakes poker with the government by leaking info that
they plan to export Chinese built cars to the US. * In other words, "give us
more money, President Obama, and we'll drop the Chinese export/import plan."

Further convinces me to never, ever, buy a GM product. *Let 'em go belly-up
for good.

Your call. *I think the main reason Ford kept it's head above water
was making so much stuff in Mexico. *Not sure of that though.
The Fusion you mentioned getting good reviews is made in Mexico, trans
made in Japan. *I heard the Focus, a good Ford seller, will be made
out of the country next year.
If it keeps going like this, pretty soon if you want an "American" car
your choice will be Toyota, Honda or Nissan.
The Japs are more patriotic Americans than the Americans!
Of course business and patriotism parted ways long ago.

Meanwhile, our neighbor is taking delivery next week of his new, "Smart
Car". * He recently totaled his last car and Mrs.E. lent him the use of her
little VW Beetle until he got a replacement. * I am sure I'll be able to try
out the Smart Car and I'll post my impressions of it.

French socialist car. *I had a French bicycle.
Peugot. *Paid too much for it. *


Guy I used to work with had a Peugot. Was always talking about how
great it was, but never drove it because it was always in the shop for
something.

We told him that the word "Peugot" was French for "walk". :-

I dunno. Every time I see one, I have the mental image of an egg,
rolling off the counter onto the floor.
JR

On Thu, 14 May 2009 05:13:47 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


It occurred to me that GM, with 15 days left to come up with an acceptable
survival plan to qualify for more bailout funds from the government, may
simply be playing high stakes poker with the government by leaking info that
they plan to export Chinese built cars to the US. In other words, "give us
more money, President Obama, and we'll drop the Chinese export/import plan."

Further convinces me to never, ever, buy a GM product. Let 'em go belly-up
for good.

Meanwhile, our neighbor is taking delivery next week of his new, "Smart
Car". He recently totaled his last car and Mrs.E. lent him the use of her
little VW Beetle until he got a replacement. I am sure I'll be able to try
out the Smart Car and I'll post my impressions of it.

Eisboch







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