On Wed, 13 May 2009 18:49:59 -0400, BAR wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:30:21 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


If accountability is to be imposed, let it be imposed across the board -
let's not single out the Bush Administration if it's found to be a
criminal action.

Works for me, but, frankly, I'd settle for just Cheney. The SOB just
can't seem to keep his mouth shut. Oh, and I'm still waiting for
Hannity's waterboarding for charity. That would be pay for view at it's
finest. ;-)

We'll shut Cheney up if you shut up Al Gore.

There's a moral equivalent. You betcha.

On Wed, 13 May 2009 18:49:59 -0400, BAR wrote:


We'll shut Cheney up if you shut up Al Gore.

LOL, while it might be possible to shut up Cheney, I don't think it's
possible to keep Gore quiet. ;-(

On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:13:28 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

"And I’d like to interject a note of balance here. There are times
when we all get in high dudgeon. We ought to be reasonable about this.
I think there are probably very few people in this room or in America
who would say that torture should never, ever be used, particularly if
thousands of lives are at stake.

Take the hypothetical: If we knew that there was a nuclear bomb hidden
in an American city and we believed that some kind of torture, fairly
severe maybe, would give us a chance of finding that bomb before it
went off, my guess is most Americans and most senators, maybe all,
would say, Do what you have to do.

So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can
never be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different
deal."

Senator Chuck Schumer, June 8, 2004

Schumer is welcome to his ignorance. He's among the more compromised
senators in the business so it doesn't surprise me. There are a
variety of opinions out there. Picking one is not a representation of
the whole.

Unless you're talking Republicans, who can vote in lockstep against
any legislation whether practical or not, for political effect.

Let's talk to Eric Cantor about that, okay?

jps wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:13:28 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

"And I’d like to interject a note of balance here. There are times
when we all get in high dudgeon. We ought to be reasonable about this.
I think there are probably very few people in this room or in America
who would say that torture should never, ever be used, particularly if
thousands of lives are at stake.

Take the hypothetical: If we knew that there was a nuclear bomb hidden
in an American city and we believed that some kind of torture, fairly
severe maybe, would give us a chance of finding that bomb before it
went off, my guess is most Americans and most senators, maybe all,
would say, Do what you have to do.

So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can
never be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different
deal."

Senator Chuck Schumer, June 8, 2004

Schumer is welcome to his ignorance. He's among the more compromised
senators in the business so it doesn't surprise me. There are a
variety of opinions out there. Picking one is not a representation of
the whole.

Unless you're talking Republicans, who can vote in lockstep against
any legislation whether practical or not, for political effect.

Let's talk to Eric Cantor about that, okay?



Don't GOP legislators have to call Rush before they vote or speak? :)


Rush, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Eric Cantor, and Newt Gingrich,
your GOP leadership for 2010.

On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:14 -0400, HK wrote:

jps wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 12:13:28 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

"And I’d like to interject a note of balance here. There are times
when we all get in high dudgeon. We ought to be reasonable about this.
I think there are probably very few people in this room or in America
who would say that torture should never, ever be used, particularly if
thousands of lives are at stake.

Take the hypothetical: If we knew that there was a nuclear bomb hidden
in an American city and we believed that some kind of torture, fairly
severe maybe, would give us a chance of finding that bomb before it
went off, my guess is most Americans and most senators, maybe all,
would say, Do what you have to do.

So it’s easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can
never be used. But when you’re in the foxhole, it’s a very different
deal."

Senator Chuck Schumer, June 8, 2004

Schumer is welcome to his ignorance. He's among the more compromised
senators in the business so it doesn't surprise me. There are a
variety of opinions out there. Picking one is not a representation of
the whole.

Unless you're talking Republicans, who can vote in lockstep against
any legislation whether practical or not, for political effect.

Let's talk to Eric Cantor about that, okay?


Don't GOP legislators have to call Rush before they vote or speak? :)


Rush, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Eric Cantor, and Newt Gingrich,
your GOP leadership for 2010.

They don't need to call, they just channel him. Psychic goosestep.

On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:14 -0400, HK wrote:


Rush, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Eric Cantor, and Newt Gingrich,
your GOP leadership for 2010.

The scary thing, in that group, Newt almost seems like a normal human,
almost. ;-)

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 13 May 2009 13:25:14 -0400, HK wrote:


Rush, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Eric Cantor, and Newt Gingrich,
your GOP leadership for 2010.

The scary thing, in that group, Newt almost seems like a normal human,
almost. ;-)


That's only because of all the Republican wannabes, Newt is about the
only one that really is smart...confused, but smart. Hey, I'm very
satisfied with Rush, Palin, Bachman, Cantor, et cetera, speaking out for
the GOP on a regular basis. It solidifies that shrinking base...it gets
smaller every day, but...tougher.