HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 13:58:28 -0400, HK wrote:

My father in law had a VW beetle rolled over on the roof for parking
it too close to the Delco plant in Kokomo. He sold it and bought a
Nova after a snow plow destroyed it a couple months later. He got the
hint.

You have evidence the UAW was involved in either incident? More
likely, the former was simply an expression of love from his fellow
workers.


... and it is your fellow workers who will be twisting you arm until
you sign the card.

I still want to know, what is wrong with a secret ballot? It is how
we elected Obama.
Do you think as many suburban white people would have voted for him if
they had to do it with the neighbors watching?
He certainly polled a whole lot better here than the bumper stickers
would have predicted and even better than the exit polls indicated.


I believe I offered up a couple of URLs to you last week that described
in some detail how employers pressure employees to vote the company's
way, even after more than enough workers sign cards to indicate they
want a union.

Most of the arm-twisting comes from the employers. As in, "if you vote
union, we're shut down this plant." "If you vote union or help the union
in any way, we'll fire you." And so forth and so on.

Obama carried almost every group of voters, and lots of us "suburban
white people" wore Obama-Biden buttons to the polls.

Exit polling isn't a lot more reliable than internet polling.

How about one more?

www.thetruthaboutunions.com

"HK" wrote in message
m...

Since Bush "de-balled" the NLRB, virtually all labor laws designed to
protect workers have been flushed down the crapper. It's going to take
Obama years to restaff the NLRB staff and the lawyer-judges-arbitrators,
and changing procedures takes just as long. Many changes have to get the
OK of Congress for implementation. There are literally dozens of ways
employers can derail or delay union rep elections, and then, after the
elections, the employers can refuse to negotiate a contract and play the
stall game for years.



Thanks for my nightly belly laugh.

Eisboch

"HK" wrote in message
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As I said, there are a lot more problems than employers stalling elections
and scaring off their employees.

You "say" as if it is all fact. It's nothing more than your biased POV.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

Since Bush "de-balled" the NLRB, virtually all labor laws designed to
protect workers have been flushed down the crapper. It's going to take
Obama years to restaff the NLRB staff and the
lawyer-judges-arbitrators, and changing procedures takes just as long.
Many changes have to get the OK of Congress for implementation. There
are literally dozens of ways employers can derail or delay union rep
elections, and then, after the elections, the employers can refuse to
negotiate a contract and play the stall game for years.



Thanks for my nightly belly laugh.

Eisboch

You think I'm kidding. That's naive on your part.

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 08:44:18 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo
I think he overstates the CAW/UAW in holding any cards. They are holding
a bluff hand.

Bond holders hold the cards. Lets see how they play them. Even the
Chrylser deal is at risk as not all bond holders have been suckered into
pennies on the dollar.

You are not up to date. The Chrysler bond holder ranks thinned and then
those that remained threw in the towel due to political pressure brought on
by Obama inspired negative public opinion.
This was late last week.

GM's bond holders are facing the same public opinion problem. Only
difference is that there are many more of them.

And a lot of them are pension funds - like the State of California.

Heh,heh, heh...

Good old CalPers biggest investor in the country. They pull quite a bit
of weight at stockholders meetings.

"BAR" wrote in message
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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 08:44:18 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo
I think he overstates the CAW/UAW in holding any cards. They are
holding a bluff hand.

Bond holders hold the cards. Lets see how they play them. Even the
Chrylser deal is at risk as not all bond holders have been suckered
into pennies on the dollar.

You are not up to date. The Chrysler bond holder ranks thinned and
then those that remained threw in the towel due to political pressure
brought on by Obama inspired negative public opinion.
This was late last week.

GM's bond holders are facing the same public opinion problem. Only
difference is that there are many more of them.

And a lot of them are pension funds - like the State of California.

Heh,heh, heh...

Good old CalPers biggest investor in the country. They pull quite a bit of
weight at stockholders meetings.

Unfortunately they did not use that weight for many years. Allowed a lot if
shenanigans that could have been stopped at birth.