Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo

Uh oh. That will get a nasty retort from the apologist of all things
union-labeled, also known as Hairy Kraut.


"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo

Eisboch wrote:

Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo



It is always fun to read the right-wingers' rationalizations as to why
the working man and woman should be paid ****, with no benefits. Serfdom
uber alles, eh?

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo


It is always fun to read the right-wingers' rationalizations as to why the
working man and woman should be paid ****, with no benefits. Serfdom uber
alles, eh?



Why is that?

Seems like when you cannot directly contradict or debate facts you default
to a generalized, "right-winger" attack.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo



It is always fun to read the right-wingers' rationalizations as to why
the working man and woman should be paid ****, with no benefits.
Serfdom uber alles, eh?



Why is that?

Seems like when you cannot directly contradict or debate facts you
default to a generalized, "right-winger" attack.

Eisboch


There's no reason to "directly contradict" or "debate" right-wingers
because it would be the same as lying down with pigs in a pool of
pig**** and expecting to come out clean.

I read the article, and the conclusion is the same as all the other
right-wing articles that state that auto workers in this country should
work for peanuts. I especially liked the analogies between what the auto
worker earns and what physicians can earn - that was funny stuff.

I'm sure I've told you about my Norwegian buddies who work the offshore
oil rigs and the supply boats. They make substantially less than their
U.S. counterparts, but they live very well, and seem a lot happier than
American works.

Why?

1. First class national health care plan.
2. First class retirement plan that provides a really decent retirement.
3. No or extremely low cost college tuition.
4. A serious rehab program if they are injured on the job. One of my
buddies lost use of an arm in a horrific accident. The government picked
up all his medical bills, and sent him back to college to learn a new
profession he would be able to handle. It also supported his family
while he was learning a new profession. There are no disposable workers
in his country.

I've been to his house. He lives between Oslo and Lillehammer. Nice
suburban house, very well insulated. Not huge, but comfy, well-built,
and up to date.

Come to think of it, he's probably retired by now.

I'll take the right-wing rants about U.S. factory worker pay seriously
once we have plans in place to make sure those who do that kind of work
are treated like workers in other modern countries.

Oh...and when the ratio in pay between top execs and line workers comes
down from four or five hundred to one (or higher) to maybe 10 to 1.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo


It is always fun to read the right-wingers' rationalizations as to why
the working man and woman should be paid ****, with no benefits. Serfdom
uber alles, eh?



Why is that?

Seems like when you cannot directly contradict or debate facts you
default to a generalized, "right-winger" attack.

Eisboch


There's no reason to "directly contradict" or "debate" right-wingers
because it would be the same as lying down with pigs in a pool of pig****
and expecting to come out clean.

I read the article, and the conclusion is the same as all the other
right-wing articles that state that auto workers in this country should
work for peanuts. I especially liked the analogies between what the auto
worker earns and what physicians can earn - that was funny stuff.

I'm sure I've told you about my Norwegian buddies who work the offshore
oil rigs and the supply boats. They make substantially less than their
U.S. counterparts, but they live very well, and seem a lot happier than
American works.

Why?

1. First class national health care plan.
2. First class retirement plan that provides a really decent retirement.
3. No or extremely low cost college tuition.
4. A serious rehab program if they are injured on the job. One of my
buddies lost use of an arm in a horrific accident. The government picked
up all his medical bills, and sent him back to college to learn a new
profession he would be able to handle. It also supported his family while
he was learning a new profession. There are no disposable workers in his
country.

I've been to his house. He lives between Oslo and Lillehammer. Nice
suburban house, very well insulated. Not huge, but comfy, well-built, and
up to date.

Come to think of it, he's probably retired by now.

I'll take the right-wing rants about U.S. factory worker pay seriously
once we have plans in place to make sure those who do that kind of work
are treated like workers in other modern countries.

Oh...and when the ratio in pay between top execs and line workers comes
down from four or five hundred to one (or higher) to maybe 10 to 1.



Knock. Knock. The USA is not Norway. The USA is not a euro-styled
socialistic society.
If that's what you advocate, be honest and say so. Otherwise your
comparisons are meaningless.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo



It is always fun to read the right-wingers' rationalizations as to
why the working man and woman should be paid ****, with no benefits.
Serfdom uber alles, eh?



Why is that?

Seems like when you cannot directly contradict or debate facts you
default to a generalized, "right-winger" attack.

Eisboch


There's no reason to "directly contradict" or "debate" right-wingers
because it would be the same as lying down with pigs in a pool of
pig**** and expecting to come out clean.

I read the article, and the conclusion is the same as all the other
right-wing articles that state that auto workers in this country
should work for peanuts. I especially liked the analogies between what
the auto worker earns and what physicians can earn - that was funny
stuff.

I'm sure I've told you about my Norwegian buddies who work the
offshore oil rigs and the supply boats. They make substantially less
than their U.S. counterparts, but they live very well, and seem a lot
happier than American works.

Why?

1. First class national health care plan.
2. First class retirement plan that provides a really decent retirement.
3. No or extremely low cost college tuition.
4. A serious rehab program if they are injured on the job. One of my
buddies lost use of an arm in a horrific accident. The government
picked up all his medical bills, and sent him back to college to learn
a new profession he would be able to handle. It also supported his
family while he was learning a new profession. There are no disposable
workers in his country.

I've been to his house. He lives between Oslo and Lillehammer. Nice
suburban house, very well insulated. Not huge, but comfy, well-built,
and up to date.

Come to think of it, he's probably retired by now.

I'll take the right-wing rants about U.S. factory worker pay seriously
once we have plans in place to make sure those who do that kind of work
are treated like workers in other modern countries.

Oh...and when the ratio in pay between top execs and line workers
comes down from four or five hundred to one (or higher) to maybe 10 to 1.



Knock. Knock. The USA is not Norway. The USA is not a euro-styled
socialistic society.
If that's what you advocate, be honest and say so. Otherwise your
comparisons are meaningless.

Eisboch


Well, I suppose I am "socialistic" enough to value labor at least as
much as capital. Drastically cutting the pay of factory workers and
eliminating their health care and retirement benefits is not acceptable.
Might as well do away with safety regulations while we are at it, right?
I mean anything that helps the rich get richer at the expense of the
working middle class...why that's the new American way.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo


It is always fun to read the right-wingers' rationalizations as to why
the working man and woman should be paid ****, with no benefits. Serfdom
uber alles, eh?



Why is that?

Seems like when you cannot directly contradict or debate facts you
default to a generalized, "right-winger" attack.

Eisboch


There's no reason to "directly contradict" or "debate" right-wingers
because it would be the same as lying down with pigs in a pool of pig****
and expecting to come out clean.

I read the article, and the conclusion is the same as all the other
right-wing articles that state that auto workers in this country should
work for peanuts. I especially liked the analogies between what the auto
worker earns and what physicians can earn - that was funny stuff.

I'm sure I've told you about my Norwegian buddies who work the offshore
oil rigs and the supply boats. They make substantially less than their
U.S. counterparts, but they live very well, and seem a lot happier than
American works.

Why?

1. First class national health care plan.
2. First class retirement plan that provides a really decent retirement.
3. No or extremely low cost college tuition.
4. A serious rehab program if they are injured on the job. One of my
buddies lost use of an arm in a horrific accident. The government picked
up all his medical bills, and sent him back to college to learn a new
profession he would be able to handle. It also supported his family while
he was learning a new profession. There are no disposable workers in his
country.

I've been to his house. He lives between Oslo and Lillehammer. Nice
suburban house, very well insulated. Not huge, but comfy, well-built, and
up to date.

Come to think of it, he's probably retired by now.



BTW, I have relatives in both Sweden and Norway with whom we communicate
occasionally.
Like many, they have problems with some of our political leaders and
policies, but overall the citizens of both countries have high regard for
and a level of admiration for the US style of government and society.

Given your demonstrated philosophies, it is understandable why you are so
impressed by Norway.
You have better things to say than many Norwegians. Must be a "grass is
always greener" thing.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo



It is always fun to read the right-wingers' rationalizations as to
why the working man and woman should be paid ****, with no benefits.
Serfdom uber alles, eh?



Why is that?

Seems like when you cannot directly contradict or debate facts you
default to a generalized, "right-winger" attack.

Eisboch


There's no reason to "directly contradict" or "debate" right-wingers
because it would be the same as lying down with pigs in a pool of
pig**** and expecting to come out clean.

I read the article, and the conclusion is the same as all the other
right-wing articles that state that auto workers in this country
should work for peanuts. I especially liked the analogies between what
the auto worker earns and what physicians can earn - that was funny
stuff.

I'm sure I've told you about my Norwegian buddies who work the
offshore oil rigs and the supply boats. They make substantially less
than their U.S. counterparts, but they live very well, and seem a lot
happier than American works.

Why?

1. First class national health care plan.
2. First class retirement plan that provides a really decent retirement.
3. No or extremely low cost college tuition.
4. A serious rehab program if they are injured on the job. One of my
buddies lost use of an arm in a horrific accident. The government
picked up all his medical bills, and sent him back to college to learn
a new profession he would be able to handle. It also supported his
family while he was learning a new profession. There are no disposable
workers in his country.

I've been to his house. He lives between Oslo and Lillehammer. Nice
suburban house, very well insulated. Not huge, but comfy, well-built,
and up to date.

Come to think of it, he's probably retired by now.



BTW, I have relatives in both Sweden and Norway with whom we
communicate occasionally.
Like many, they have problems with some of our political leaders and
policies, but overall the citizens of both countries have high regard
for and a level of admiration for the US style of government and society.

Given your demonstrated philosophies, it is understandable why you are
so impressed by Norway.
You have better things to say than many Norwegians. Must be a "grass
is always greener" thing.

Eisboch


Aside from my one visit to Norway, what I know about Norway (from a
personal perspective point of view) is what I have been told by my
Norwegian friends.

The United States is disintegrating, and not because of creeping
socialism. We're going downhill because we let greed become our most
important guiding philosophy. Too much power and money is in the hands
of too few, and for most of "them," what's most important is making more
money, no matter how many others that sort of greed hurts.

At some point, probably not in my lifetime or yours, the "have-nots" are
going to revolt violent and restructure this country in ways that
provide a decent way of life and some sort of security for the majority.
The superrich? Why, they can move to China and exploit the billions who
live there.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

Interesting prospective on the UAW...

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1366...e?source=yahoo


It is always fun to read the right-wingers' rationalizations as to why the
working man and woman should be paid ****, with no benefits. Serfdom uber
alles, eh?

It does show that the union extorted quite well for its members. But now
the golden goose is mortally sick.

Don't worry though, they are concocking plans to get taxpayers moneys, and
it does not mater morally, ethically or otherwise that most of the taxpayers
make less, many don't even have a pension.

Playing right in the hands of the private equity that stands to make
billions on bailouts as they hold a lot of GM paper.

It is about greed, corruption...at the cost of taxpayers.