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On May 6, 12:44*pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message ... On May 6, 11:00 am, "Don White" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message m... "Don White" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... I think I finally got an ID on my Grandfathers Boat. Ever heard of a Waymouth?. An older fishing charter Captain down the Lake from me ID'd it. Dont know if it's positive, but he swears that's what it is. Gonna do a google on it, and see if I get a hit. Can't say I have. Is it spelled Waymouth or Weymouth? S. The Brits have a bad habit of misspelling many words. Eisboch I happen to know that you also have a Weymouth in MA. (we have one here in NS of course). A future professional hockey player named Bobby Sheehan, who was in my grade 12 class when he played his junior hockey here, came from there. As a matter of fact, I believe our village got it's name from the Loyalists who left Mass in the mid 1700s when the ungrateful rabble was acting up..http://www.weymouthnovascotia.com/ I have a Family Tree tracing my Ancestors back to the 1600's. They left Virginia when the rabble started acting up. They were one of the first 20 Familys to settle the Niagara Region. Fought with Brock against the Americans in the Battle of Queenston Heights.And a direct relation of mine was the Lady who informed the Brits of the impending attack by the Americans...... Any guess on who that is? If you know Canadian History, you'll know who I'm referring to. ************************************************** ****** Sure do...she made (makes?) some fine chocolates. ;-) That company used her likeness with no known permission.... The Woman never made chocolates...PERIOD. Know a good Lawyer who wants to go pro- bono till they pay me off to get rid of me? Could be worth 6 figures.... Might buy me a real boat. Nestle owns it. Maybe I'd get ice cream for life as well? |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message m... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... Don White wrote: "jim78565" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... I think I finally got an ID on my Grandfathers Boat. Ever heard of a Waymouth?. An older fishing charter Captain down the Lake from me ID'd it. Dont know if it's positive, but he swears that's what it is. Gonna do a google on it, and see if I get a hit. Can't say I have. Is it spelled Waymouth or Weymouth? S. The Brits have a bad habit of misspelling many words. Eisboch I happen to know that you also have a Weymouth in MA. (we have one here in NS of course). A future professional hockey player named Bobby Sheehan, who was in my grade 12 class when he played his junior hockey here, came from there. As a matter of fact, I believe our village got it's name from the Loyalists who left Mass in the mid 1700s when the ungrateful rabble was acting up.. http://www.weymouthnovascotia.com/ My gawd. You sure do know your geography. And when it came time to fight for what's right, the pansies ran north. What's the matter...? You still sore from your navy days when someone sabotaged you by putting sand in your Vasoline? You sure have some oblique "penpals." Is SepticTank FloridaJim referring to U.S. males who headed north during the war against Vietnam so they wouldn't have to bomb or shoot women, children and villages in order to protect Topeka, Kansas, from an invasion by the Viet Cong? I think he's buried way back further in the past......to the United Empire Loyalists who remained loyal to the King. Most gave up all they had to re-settle up here. My maternal grandmothers' family came up from New York after the revolution. We probably have a legtimate claim to a tiny piece of Harlem.... Ahh. Perhaps you can outline for us how Canada and Canadians have suffered the last 100 years or so by maintaining ties to England. At one time the preferred trading status with the Commonwealth including Great Britain meant a lot. At this point... the questionable spending to maintain the Governor General in Ottawa and the provincial Lt. Governors expenses as the Queens representatives might bother a few citizens. Yeah, but the Queen comes to visit... :) I can remember getting excited about that as a kid. We lived one city block from the Lt Governers House and the motorcade was always coming or going during Royal visits. You have a 'Queen' of your own down there in Connecticut............ be it a short, ponytailed version. Yeah, but our Connecticut Queen is just another little schitt. |
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On May 6, 12:58*pm, jim78565 wrote:
Don White wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message m... "Don White" wrote in message .. . wrote in message .... I think I finally got an ID on my Grandfathers Boat. Ever heard of a Waymouth?. An older fishing charter Captain down the Lake from me ID'd it. Dont know if it's positive, but he swears that's what it is. Gonna do a google on it, and see if I get a hit. Can't say I have. Is it spelled Waymouth or Weymouth? * * * * * * * * * * * *S. The Brits have a bad habit of misspelling many words. Eisboch I happen to know that you also have a Weymouth in MA. *(we have one here in NS of course). A future professional hockey player named Bobby Sheehan, who was in my grade 12 class when he played his junior hockey here, came from there. As a matter of fact, I believe our village got it's name from the Loyalists who left Mass in the mid 1700s when the ungrateful rabble was acting up... http://www.weymouthnovascotia.com/ My gawd. You sure do know your geography. And when it came time to fight for what's right, the pansies ran north. Look at Bozo here, who knows NO History. People were asked to take a side, my Ancestors chose the Crown, over the Colonys. They went to Niagara. They defended Canada, using far LESS Soldiers than the US had, and beat them off. Care to **** in your Hat again? My statements weren't meant to give you a platform to troll on, Dwarf Army Turdlet. |
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On May 6, 1:21*pm, wrote:
On May 6, 12:58*pm, jim78565 wrote: Don White wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message m... "Don White" wrote in message .. . wrote in message ... I think I finally got an ID on my Grandfathers Boat. Ever heard of a Waymouth?. An older fishing charter Captain down the Lake from me ID'd it. Dont know if it's positive, but he swears that's what it is. Gonna do a google on it, and see if I get a hit. Can't say I have. Is it spelled Waymouth or Weymouth? * * * * * * * * * * * *S. The Brits have a bad habit of misspelling many words. Eisboch I happen to know that you also have a Weymouth in MA. *(we have one here in NS of course). A future professional hockey player named Bobby Sheehan, who was in my grade 12 class when he played his junior hockey here, came from there. As a matter of fact, I believe our village got it's name from the Loyalists who left Mass in the mid 1700s when the ungrateful rabble was acting up.. http://www.weymouthnovascotia.com/ My gawd. You sure do know your geography. And when it came time to fight for what's right, the pansies ran north.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What's funny in all of this, is this is a classic example OF slammer, FOR slammer. Notice that no one has come and started trashing his family, yet I guarantee if it was the other way around, slammer would be here being vulgar and low life. Looks like you missed Jims post, Loogy. I was actually expecting you first. You got beat. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... Now I want to see justice done. Those that lied us into this catastrophe should be willing to face the full measure of what it means to be nation of laws. It was among the things that Bush promised us when he campaigned for the presidency. I understand how you feel. May I ask a question? If someone says something and is 100 percent convinced that what he/she is saying is accurate and truthful, did they lie if later events or information proves them to be in error? This seems to be the heart of the Bush issue. Many are absolutely convinced that he and his administration made up a bunch of stories and justifications to invade Iraq. These accusations ... and that's all they are ... have somehow become "the truth" in the circle of armchair, Monday morning generals. "The truth" becomes more and more confirmed as the people involved jump ship and change their tune as more accurate information is acquired. Perfect example are the many Democrats who were all "for the war" before they were against it, even dating back to Clinton's administration. It also includes those who, for their own personal objectives, want to distance themselves from those who had to make the decisions at the time. I remain unconvinced that Bush made up the stories. There was (and still isn't) anything to be gained personally by him. He may have been wrong in his assessment, but I don't think he outright lied. For that reason, I keep an open mind. Here's another example of how issues become causes. Not too many months ago the main topic of debate regarding water boarding was if it was indeed a form of torture. To many, that question still remains. However, the media coverage and hype has produced a general consensus that it *is* torture. As I type, I am listening to a Harvard law professor stating that officials in Bush's administration have admitted to "torturing" detainees. But, don't you see, that's under the newly adopted, post event definition that water boarding *is* torture. If public opinion (now an assumption) was otherwise, then Bush and his administration could not be accused of torture by authorizing water boarding. See what I mean? Eisboch |
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wrote in message ... On May 6, 12:44 pm, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message ... On May 6, 11:00 am, "Don White" wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message m... "Don White" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... I think I finally got an ID on my Grandfathers Boat. Ever heard of a Waymouth?. An older fishing charter Captain down the Lake from me ID'd it. Dont know if it's positive, but he swears that's what it is. Gonna do a google on it, and see if I get a hit. Can't say I have. Is it spelled Waymouth or Weymouth? S. The Brits have a bad habit of misspelling many words. Eisboch I happen to know that you also have a Weymouth in MA. (we have one here in NS of course). A future professional hockey player named Bobby Sheehan, who was in my grade 12 class when he played his junior hockey here, came from there. As a matter of fact, I believe our village got it's name from the Loyalists who left Mass in the mid 1700s when the ungrateful rabble was acting up..http://www.weymouthnovascotia.com/ I have a Family Tree tracing my Ancestors back to the 1600's. They left Virginia when the rabble started acting up. They were one of the first 20 Familys to settle the Niagara Region. Fought with Brock against the Americans in the Battle of Queenston Heights.And a direct relation of mine was the Lady who informed the Brits of the impending attack by the Americans...... Any guess on who that is? If you know Canadian History, you'll know who I'm referring to. ************************************************** ****** Sure do...she made (makes?) some fine chocolates. ;-) That company used her likeness with no known permission.... The Woman never made chocolates...PERIOD. Know a good Lawyer who wants to go pro- bono till they pay me off to get rid of me? Could be worth 6 figures.... Might buy me a real boat. Nestle owns it. Maybe I'd get ice cream for life as well? ********************************************** We have the little stores selling ice cream & chocolate in our local shopping malls. At the inflated price they charge for a cone, they could easily afford to take care of you & any other distant family members. |
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On May 6, 6:11*pm, HK wrote:
Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message om... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message news:CvSdnZUMbdlzbJzXnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@earthlink .com... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message news:ebedndpXLamkSJzXnZ2dnUVZ_sKdnZ2d@earthli nk.com... Don White wrote: "jim78565" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message news:GYmdnUAwbcJ2ApzXnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@gig anews.com... "Don White" wrote in message nt.net... wrote in message ... I think I finally got an ID on my Grandfathers Boat. Ever heard of a Waymouth?. An older fishing charter Captain down the Lake from me ID'd it. Dont know if it's positive, but he swears that's what it is. Gonna do a google on it, and see if I get a hit. Can't say I have. Is it spelled Waymouth or Weymouth? * * * * * * * * * * * *S. The Brits have a bad habit of misspelling many words. Eisboch I happen to know that you also have a Weymouth in MA. *(we have one here in NS of course). A future professional hockey player named Bobby Sheehan, who was in my grade 12 class when he played his junior hockey here, came from there. As a matter of fact, I believe our village got it's name from the Loyalists who left Mass in the mid 1700s when the ungrateful rabble was acting up.. http://www.weymouthnovascotia.com/ My gawd. You sure do know your geography. And when it came time to fight for what's right, the pansies ran north. What's the matter...? You still sore from your navy days when someone sabotaged you by putting sand in your Vasoline? You sure have some oblique "penpals." Is SepticTank FloridaJim referring to U.S. males who headed north during the war against Vietnam so they wouldn't have to bomb or shoot women, children and villages in order to protect Topeka, Kansas, from an invasion by the Viet Cong? I think he's buried way back further in the past......to the United Empire Loyalists who remained loyal to the King. Most gave up all they had to re-settle up here. *My maternal grandmothers' family came up from New York after the revolution. We probably have a legtimate claim to a tiny piece of Harlem.... Ahh. Perhaps you can outline for us how Canada and Canadians have suffered the last 100 years or so by maintaining ties to England. At one time the preferred trading status with the Commonwealth including Great Britain meant a lot. At this point... the questionable spending to maintain the Governor General in Ottawa and the provincial Lt. Governors expenses as the Queens representatives might bother a few citizens. Yeah, but the Queen comes to visit... *:) I can remember getting excited about that as a kid. We lived one city block from the Lt Governers House and the motorcade was always coming or going during Royal visits. You have a 'Queen' of your own down there in Connecticut............ be it a short, ponytailed version. Yeah, but our Connecticut Queen is just another little schitt.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The only little **** is in your pink panties when you think about meeting up with me or Loogie... Face it WAFA, you are a quivering coward barking from under your desk, hiding behind your widdew capguns... |
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... I have a Family Tree tracing my Ancestors back to the 1600's. They left Virginia when the rabble started acting up. They were one of the first 20 Familys to settle the Niagara Region. Fought with Brock against the Americans in the Battle of Queenston Heights.And a direct relation of mine was the Lady who informed the Brits of the impending attack by the Americans...... Any guess on who that is? If you know Canadian History, you'll know who I'm referring to. My wife's ancestors had the good sense to leave Canada back in the 1850's. They must have seen socialism, especially national health care coming and got out fast. |
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jim78565 wrote:
HK wrote: Don White wrote: "jim78565" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... I think I finally got an ID on my Grandfathers Boat. Ever heard of a Waymouth?. An older fishing charter Captain down the Lake from me ID'd it. Dont know if it's positive, but he swears that's what it is. Gonna do a google on it, and see if I get a hit. Can't say I have. Is it spelled Waymouth or Weymouth? S. The Brits have a bad habit of misspelling many words. Eisboch I happen to know that you also have a Weymouth in MA. (we have one here in NS of course). A future professional hockey player named Bobby Sheehan, who was in my grade 12 class when he played his junior hockey here, came from there. As a matter of fact, I believe our village got it's name from the Loyalists who left Mass in the mid 1700s when the ungrateful rabble was acting up.. http://www.weymouthnovascotia.com/ My gawd. You sure do know your geography. And when it came time to fight for what's right, the pansies ran north. What's the matter...? You still sore from your navy days when someone sabotaged you by putting sand in your Vasoline? You sure have some oblique "penpals." Is SepticTank FloridaJim referring to U.S. males who headed north during the war against Vietnam so they wouldn't have to bomb or shoot women, children and villages in order to protect Topeka, Kansas, from an invasion by the Viet Cong? No dimwit we were talking about the revolution. Is your brain stuck in the vietnam Bush groove. Jump ahead a little, donkey breath, and we can talk about Obama's wars. Who knows. Maybe he can invade a few more countries and escalate it into WW3. Its always about Harry. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 06 May 2009 17:01:56 -0400, HK wrote: Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... Don White wrote: "jim78565" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... I think I finally got an ID on my Grandfathers Boat. Ever heard of a Waymouth?. An older fishing charter Captain down the Lake from me ID'd it. Dont know if it's positive, but he swears that's what it is. Gonna do a google on it, and see if I get a hit. Can't say I have. Is it spelled Waymouth or Weymouth? S. The Brits have a bad habit of misspelling many words. Eisboch I happen to know that you also have a Weymouth in MA. (we have one here in NS of course). A future professional hockey player named Bobby Sheehan, who was in my grade 12 class when he played his junior hockey here, came from there. As a matter of fact, I believe our village got it's name from the Loyalists who left Mass in the mid 1700s when the ungrateful rabble was acting up.. http://www.weymouthnovascotia.com/ My gawd. You sure do know your geography. And when it came time to fight for what's right, the pansies ran north. What's the matter...? You still sore from your navy days when someone sabotaged you by putting sand in your Vasoline? You sure have some oblique "penpals." Is SepticTank FloridaJim referring to U.S. males who headed north during the war against Vietnam so they wouldn't have to bomb or shoot women, children and villages in order to protect Topeka, Kansas, from an invasion by the Viet Cong? I think he's buried way back further in the past......to the United Empire Loyalists who remained loyal to the King. Most gave up all they had to re-settle up here. My maternal grandmothers' family came up from New York after the revolution. We probably have a legtimate claim to a tiny piece of Harlem.... Ahh. Perhaps you can outline for us how Canada and Canadians have suffered the last 100 years or so by maintaining ties to England. At one time the preferred trading status with the Commonwealth including Great Britain meant a lot. At this point... the questionable spending to maintain the Governor General in Ottawa and the provincial Lt. Governors expenses as the Queens representatives might bother a few citizens. Yeah, but the Queen comes to visit... :) That's the Queen Mum to you. Yup...the Queen Mum was always popular here...a proper Scottish lady. As you know she died back in 2002 (hard to believe 7 years already) at the ripe old age of 101. When she was young, Queen Elizabeth herself was quite fetching.but I never cared much for that husband of hers...Philip. Interest in the Royals ebbed a bit but sprung up with a visit by Prince Charles and Princess Diana in the early '80s |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 6 May 2009 18:27:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Here's another example of how issues become causes. Not too many months ago the main topic of debate regarding water boarding was if it was indeed a form of torture. To many, that question still remains. However, the media coverage and hype has produced a general consensus that it *is* torture. As I type, I am listening to a Harvard law professor stating that officials in Bush's administration have admitted to "torturing" detainees. But, don't you see, that's under the newly adopted, post event definition that water boarding *is* torture. If public opinion (now an assumption) was otherwise, then Bush and his administration could not be accused of torture by authorizing water boarding. See what I mean? Problem is, arguing about whether water torture is torture is sort of meaningless, don't you think? I mean, it's called water torture. Well it was - until the American government started using it. Then it became waterboarding. I guess some folks are easily confused. Anybody who lets a name get in the way of truth isn't thinking clearly. "A rose is a rose by any other name." But some folks are susceptible to Newspeak. --Vic It's not illegal if the president okays it... Richard M. Nixon & Condi Rice (before she recanted) |
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On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:58:42 -0400, BAR wrote:
wrote in message ... I have a Family Tree tracing my Ancestors back to the 1600's. They left Virginia when the rabble started acting up. They were one of the first 20 Familys to settle the Niagara Region. Fought with Brock against the Americans in the Battle of Queenston Heights.And a direct relation of mine was the Lady who informed the Brits of the impending attack by the Americans...... Any guess on who that is? If you know Canadian History, you'll know who I'm referring to. My wife's ancestors had the good sense to leave Canada back in the 1850's. They must have seen socialism, especially national health care coming and got out fast. Bloody troll. |
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jps wrote:
On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:58:42 -0400, BAR wrote: wrote in message ... I have a Family Tree tracing my Ancestors back to the 1600's. They left Virginia when the rabble started acting up. They were one of the first 20 Familys to settle the Niagara Region. Fought with Brock against the Americans in the Battle of Queenston Heights.And a direct relation of mine was the Lady who informed the Brits of the impending attack by the Americans...... Any guess on who that is? If you know Canadian History, you'll know who I'm referring to. My wife's ancestors had the good sense to leave Canada back in the 1850's. They must have seen socialism, especially national health care coming and got out fast. Bloody troll. Wasn't that about when Canada outlawed bestiality? |
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On Wed, 06 May 2009 21:52:47 -0400, HK wrote:
jps wrote: On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:58:42 -0400, BAR wrote: wrote in message ... I have a Family Tree tracing my Ancestors back to the 1600's. They left Virginia when the rabble started acting up. They were one of the first 20 Familys to settle the Niagara Region. Fought with Brock against the Americans in the Battle of Queenston Heights.And a direct relation of mine was the Lady who informed the Brits of the impending attack by the Americans...... Any guess on who that is? If you know Canadian History, you'll know who I'm referring to. My wife's ancestors had the good sense to leave Canada back in the 1850's. They must have seen socialism, especially national health care coming and got out fast. Bloody troll. Wasn't that about when Canada outlawed bestiality? They rode their wives south. |
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On Wed, 6 May 2009 18:27:57 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . Now I want to see justice done. Those that lied us into this catastrophe should be willing to face the full measure of what it means to be nation of laws. It was among the things that Bush promised us when he campaigned for the presidency. I understand how you feel. May I ask a question? If someone says something and is 100 percent convinced that what he/she is saying is accurate and truthful, did they lie if later events or information proves them to be in error? This seems to be the heart of the Bush issue. Many are absolutely convinced that he and his administration made up a bunch of stories and justifications to invade Iraq. These accusations ... and that's all they are ... have somehow become "the truth" in the circle of armchair, Monday morning generals. "The truth" becomes more and more confirmed as the people involved jump ship and change their tune as more accurate information is acquired. Perfect example are the many Democrats who were all "for the war" before they were against it, even dating back to Clinton's administration. It also includes those who, for their own personal objectives, want to distance themselves from those who had to make the decisions at the time. It was perfectly obvious to me that they were rushing into war. The inspectors were pulled out, there was no effort at diplomacy. Saddam was bluffing and still thought the Americans were his allies. This was about Bush's ego, finishing the job his father walked away from, gaining control of a large pool of oil for his and his father's business buddies and thrusting his military pelvis at the region. They didn't want to know the truth, they wanted to invade. You really should do a little research. The plans were in place before 911, which almost gives some credibility to conspiracy theorists charge that the administration knew there was going to be an attack in the US. I don't share that fantasy but allow for the potential. Stranger things have happened. I remain unconvinced that Bush made up the stories. There was (and still isn't) anything to be gained personally by him. He may have been wrong in his assessment, but I don't think he outright lied. For that reason, I keep an open mind. Too much information says otherwise. They had it in mind before 911. People who understand interogation techniques know that torture is more likely to garner bad information than good. The techniques employed by the administration were developed by the Chinese to foster false confessions to be used for propaganda. They didn't care about the truth. Many think these techniques were used by the US for the same effect. Early use of these methods were focused on trying to establish a connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Here's another example of how issues become causes. Not too many months ago the main topic of debate regarding water boarding was if it was indeed a form of torture. To many, that question still remains. However, the media coverage and hype has produced a general consensus that it *is* torture. As I type, I am listening to a Harvard law professor stating that officials in Bush's administration have admitted to "torturing" detainees. But, don't you see, that's under the newly adopted, post event definition that water boarding *is* torture. If public opinion (now an assumption) was otherwise, then Bush and his administration could not be accused of torture by authorizing water boarding. The United States EXECUTED Japanese who performed water torture on our troops. Need I say more? See what I mean? I do but I respectfully disagre. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:32:10 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Wed, 6 May 2009 18:27:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Here's another example of how issues become causes. Not too many months ago the main topic of debate regarding water boarding was if it was indeed a form of torture. To many, that question still remains. However, the media coverage and hype has produced a general consensus that it *is* torture. As I type, I am listening to a Harvard law professor stating that officials in Bush's administration have admitted to "torturing" detainees. But, don't you see, that's under the newly adopted, post event definition that water boarding *is* torture. If public opinion (now an assumption) was otherwise, then Bush and his administration could not be accused of torture by authorizing water boarding. See what I mean? Problem is, arguing about whether water torture is torture is sort of meaningless, don't you think? I mean, it's called water torture. Well it was - until the American government started using it. Then it became waterboarding. I guess some folks are easily confused. Anybody who lets a name get in the way of truth isn't thinking clearly. "A rose is a rose by any other name." But some folks are susceptible to Newspeak. --Vic Spot on. Although Orwell was focused on 1948, he'd undoubtedly be astounded by current events. We haven't travel much of a distance since his observations. Newspeak is alive and well. |
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On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:32:10 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Wed, 6 May 2009 18:27:57 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Here's another example of how issues become causes. Not too many months ago the main topic of debate regarding water boarding was if it was indeed a form of torture. To many, that question still remains. However, the media coverage and hype has produced a general consensus that it *is* torture. As I type, I am listening to a Harvard law professor stating that officials in Bush's administration have admitted to "torturing" detainees. But, don't you see, that's under the newly adopted, post event definition that water boarding *is* torture. If public opinion (now an assumption) was otherwise, then Bush and his administration could not be accused of torture by authorizing water boarding. See what I mean? Problem is, arguing about whether water torture is torture is sort of meaningless, don't you think? I mean, it's called water torture. Well it was - until the American government started using it. Then it became waterboarding. I guess some folks are easily confused. Anybody who lets a name get in the way of truth isn't thinking clearly. "A rose is a rose by any other name." But some folks are susceptible to Newspeak. Several names have been used inconjunction with this type of interrogation technique. The Spanish used to call it tortura del agua during the Inquisition and it has various other names from "surfboarding" to "showering" to it's more recent contraction from water board torture to waterboarding. In my experience, it's always been called water boarding and described as a form of hydropathic torture. There are even references to it as far back as Third Dynasty Egypt where it was called "water trial" and the Romans called it "water truth telling". The interesting thing is that the technique has always been true in terms of practice - cloth, upside down, water forced into nasal passages and the mouth simulating drowning no matter what it was called. Not being a pedant, just pointing something out. :) In the SERE program, it's always been called water boarding. |
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On May 6, 9:49*pm, jps wrote:
On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:58:42 -0400, BAR wrote: wrote in message .... I have a Family Tree tracing my Ancestors back to the 1600's. They left Virginia when the rabble started acting up. They were one of the first 20 Familys to settle the Niagara Region. Fought with Brock against the Americans in the Battle of Queenston Heights.And a direct relation of mine was the Lady who informed the Brits of the impending attack by the Americans...... Any guess on who that is? If you know Canadian History, you'll know who I'm referring to. My wife's ancestors had the good sense to leave Canada back in the 1850's. They must have seen socialism, especially national health care coming and got out fast. Bloody troll. No ****, they'd rather be slavers in Florida...ya..riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. |
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"jps" wrote in message ... It was perfectly obvious to me that they were rushing into war. The inspectors were pulled out, there was no effort at diplomacy. Saddam was bluffing and still thought the Americans were his allies. Over six months of UN debates, and insistance on compliance with prior UN resolutions were not an attempt at a diplomatic solution? This was about Bush's ego, finishing the job his father walked away from, gaining control of a large pool of oil for his and his father's business buddies and thrusting his military pelvis at the region. Another "fact" that has absolutely no basis or evidence of truth. Please point out how Bush gained control of a large pool of oil for his father's business buddies. They didn't want to know the truth, they wanted to invade. You really should do a little research. The plans were in place before 911, Indeed. The contingency plans were formulated during the latter part of Clinton's term. Clinton didn't execute them for a number of reasons, including the fact that he was on his way out and didn't need or want the legacy. So, the issue was handed over to Bush. Remember .... Many in Congress who were "in the know" advocated military action against Iraq *during* Clinton's last years in office. The list includes a host of well known Democrats who now have changed their tune and claim Bush lied to them. This is the thing that gets me the most. If intelligence warranted these people to publically call for Clinton to take action, how the hell can they later claim that it was Bush who lied to them? The answer is that it is politics at it's worst. Somehow these characters can convincingly explain to many that, "They were for the war before they were against it" and come out sounding like honest Abes. Bull****. All you have to do is apply a little common sense to see through this crap. Eisboch |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "jps" wrote in message ... It was perfectly obvious to me that they were rushing into war. The inspectors were pulled out, there was no effort at diplomacy. Saddam was bluffing and still thought the Americans were his allies. BTW, I seem to recall that the inspectors were kicked out by Saddam in violation of UN resolutions to which he had previously agreed. Only after months of UN debate did Saddam allow limited and controlled access to the inspectors again and they basically gave up due to the new controls and limited access. Even that Swedish Chief Inspector (forget his name) complained bitterly that he couldn't do his job because of the restrictions imposed by Saddam. Interestingly, he later changed his colors like many others and claimed that Bush lied to him too. It's all about legacy, reputation and egos. Saddam also had begun a practice of shooting at UN resolution authorized aircraft patrolling the "no fly" zone intended to prevent further Iraqi aggression against it's neighbors. Basically, Saddam, after a few short years of recovery from the first Gulf War was giving the finger to the UN and the rest of the world. Clinton ignored it, despite warnings from Congress and including members of his own party. But when Bush took the reigns with a new administration, the warnings turned into "I was misled and lied to." Eisboch |
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On Wed, 06 May 2009 22:37:03 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote: Several names have been used inconjunction with this type of interrogation technique. The Spanish used to call it tortura del agua during the Inquisition and it has various other names from "surfboarding" to "showering" to it's more recent contraction from water board torture to waterboarding. In my experience, it's always been called water boarding and described as a form of hydropathic torture. There are even references to it as far back as Third Dynasty Egypt where it was called "water trial" and the Romans called it "water truth telling". The interesting thing is that the technique has always been true in terms of practice - cloth, upside down, water forced into nasal passages and the mouth simulating drowning no matter what it was called. Not being a pedant, just pointing something out. :) In the SERE program, it's always been called water boarding. Right. In the procedure manual it's probably in a chapter called "Enemy Torture Techniques." My point to Eisboch was it's plain silly to "debate" whether or not it's torture. For example, 2 U.S. government torturers are finishing their coffee in the torturers lounge, or maybe at Starbucks. The experienced old pro torturer and the trainee. Phil and Ted. Phil: "Hey, let's get back to work, kid. The guy they picked up in Queens ain't talking. Looks like he's needs some torture." Ted: "I'm from Queens. ****in' ragheads taking over the place. We gonna waterboard him, Phil?" Phil: "Hell kid. You got a lot to learn. Waterboarding isn't torture. It's just an "Enhanced Interogation Technique." Ted: "Then let's enhanced interrogation technique the cocksucker until he talks." Phil: "Now you're catching on. I got a feeling you'll do well." So they get to the "office," and Ted sees the guy prepped on the board. Ted: "Hey, that's my brother!" Phil; "No ****!? He's been visiting that Arab coffee shop on Ditmars. It's pegged as a terrorist cell hangout." Ted: "Yeah, he likes that Arab-style coffee. That's all." Phil: "Sure, that's his story. But we'll get the truth out of him." Ted: "You sure?" Phil: "Orders from POTUS. All legal." Ted: "Okay, let's get to work." Yeah, it's as much fantasy as that bull**** "ticking time bomb" scenario that never happened. But you've probably heard of the study they did back in the '50's where they pulled Joe Blows off the street - in NYC I think. Paid them a few bucks to engage in a study where they twisted a knob to apply electric current to "volunteers." Some ungodly percentage of the volunteers were willing to **** up the "volunteers" by dialing up the juice. Because it was done under the auspices of "authority." I don't trust the "authorities." I don't trust Joe Blow who is given torture rights by the "authorities." I trust the rule of law, ground slow and fine. I'm a Conservative. Old style. Got nothing to do with sympathy for raghead terrorists. Got nothing to do with what political party is in power. It's about the United States Constitution and the rule of law. Without that, we're no better than terrorists. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
I'm a Conservative. Old style. Got nothing to do with sympathy for raghead terrorists. Got nothing to do with what political party is in power. It's about the United States Constitution and the rule of law. Without that, we're no better than terrorists. --Vic That's interesting, because I've always had a lot of respect for "old-style conservatives," but none at all for "new-style conservatives." A lot of old-style conservatism was embodied by Barry Goldwater, who would have been (and was) appalled by "new-style" conservatives, with their invasions of privacy, attempts to control women, eagerness to invade other countries and spend without taxing to pay for it. |
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 08:20:05 -0400, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: I'm a Conservative. Old style. Got nothing to do with sympathy for raghead terrorists. Got nothing to do with what political party is in power. It's about the United States Constitution and the rule of law. Without that, we're no better than terrorists. --Vic That's interesting, because I've always had a lot of respect for "old-style conservatives," but none at all for "new-style conservatives." A lot of old-style conservatism was embodied by Barry Goldwater, who would have been (and was) appalled by "new-style" conservatives, with their invasions of privacy, attempts to control women, eagerness to invade other countries and spend without taxing to pay for it. I tossed the "conservative" in because IMO it applies to my interpretation of the Constitution with respect to individual freedom and giving the gov too much power. It's just a blurred label. Means nothing really, without seeing the fine print. Anybody can call themselves whatever they want with impunity. The Law isn't so forgiving in definitions. --Vic |
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On May 6, 7:25*pm, HK wrote:
wrote: Yeah, but our Connecticut Queen is just another little schitt.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The only little **** is in your pink panties when you think about meeting up with me or Loogie... Face it WAFA, you are a quivering coward barking from under your desk, hiding behind your widdew capguns... Right. I'm scared of a chronically ill, sawed-off little schitt with brain damage...you. Harry, if that were true, how come you pussied up when I asked you for your flight information? |
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On May 6, 4:24*pm, HK wrote:
Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message om... Don White wrote: "jim78565" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message news:GYmdnUAwbcJ2ApzXnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d@giganew s.com... "Don White" wrote in message et... wrote in message ... I think I finally got an ID on my Grandfathers Boat. Ever heard of a Waymouth?. An older fishing charter Captain down the Lake from me ID'd it. Dont know if it's positive, but he swears that's what it is. Gonna do a google on it, and see if I get a hit. Can't say I have. Is it spelled Waymouth or Weymouth? * * * * * * * * * * * *S. The Brits have a bad habit of misspelling many words. Eisboch I happen to know that you also have a Weymouth in MA. *(we have one here in NS of course). A future professional hockey player named Bobby Sheehan, who was in my grade 12 class when he played his junior hockey here, came from there. As a matter of fact, I believe our village got it's name from the Loyalists who left Mass in the mid 1700s when the ungrateful rabble was acting up.. http://www.weymouthnovascotia.com/ My gawd. You sure do know your geography. And when it came time to fight for what's right, the pansies ran north. What's the matter...? You still sore from your navy days when someone sabotaged you by putting sand in your Vasoline? You sure have some oblique "penpals." Is SepticTank FloridaJim referring to U.S. males who headed north during the war against Vietnam so they wouldn't have to bomb or shoot women, children and villages in order to protect Topeka, Kansas, from an invasion by the Viet Cong? I think he's buried way back further in the past......to the United Empire Loyalists who remained loyal to the King. Most gave up all they had to re-settle up here. *My maternal grandmothers' family came up from New York after the revolution. We probably have a legtimate claim to a tiny piece of Harlem.... Ahh. Perhaps you can outline for us how Canada and Canadians have suffered the last 100 years or so by maintaining ties to England.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Tariff policies. |
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 07:07:58 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Wed, 06 May 2009 22:37:03 -0400, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: Several names have been used inconjunction with this type of interrogation technique. The Spanish used to call it tortura del agua during the Inquisition and it has various other names from "surfboarding" to "showering" to it's more recent contraction from water board torture to waterboarding. In my experience, it's always been called water boarding and described as a form of hydropathic torture. There are even references to it as far back as Third Dynasty Egypt where it was called "water trial" and the Romans called it "water truth telling". The interesting thing is that the technique has always been true in terms of practice - cloth, upside down, water forced into nasal passages and the mouth simulating drowning no matter what it was called. Not being a pedant, just pointing something out. :) In the SERE program, it's always been called water boarding. Right. In the procedure manual it's probably in a chapter called "Enemy Torture Techniques." My point to Eisboch was it's plain silly to "debate" whether or not it's torture. For example, 2 U.S. government torturers are finishing their coffee in the torturers lounge, or maybe at Starbucks. The experienced old pro torturer and the trainee. Phil and Ted. Phil: "Hey, let's get back to work, kid. The guy they picked up in Queens ain't talking. Looks like he's needs some torture." Ted: "I'm from Queens. ****in' ragheads taking over the place. We gonna waterboard him, Phil?" Phil: "Hell kid. You got a lot to learn. Waterboarding isn't torture. It's just an "Enhanced Interogation Technique." Ted: "Then let's enhanced interrogation technique the cocksucker until he talks." Phil: "Now you're catching on. I got a feeling you'll do well." So they get to the "office," and Ted sees the guy prepped on the board. Ted: "Hey, that's my brother!" Phil; "No ****!? He's been visiting that Arab coffee shop on Ditmars. It's pegged as a terrorist cell hangout." Ted: "Yeah, he likes that Arab-style coffee. That's all." Phil: "Sure, that's his story. But we'll get the truth out of him." Ted: "You sure?" Phil: "Orders from POTUS. All legal." Ted: "Okay, let's get to work." Yeah, it's as much fantasy as that bull**** "ticking time bomb" scenario that never happened. But you've probably heard of the study they did back in the '50's where they pulled Joe Blows off the street - in NYC I think. Paid them a few bucks to engage in a study where they twisted a knob to apply electric current to "volunteers." Some ungodly percentage of the volunteers were willing to **** up the "volunteers" by dialing up the juice. Because it was done under the auspices of "authority." I don't trust the "authorities." I don't trust Joe Blow who is given torture rights by the "authorities." I trust the rule of law, ground slow and fine. I'm a Conservative. Old style. Got nothing to do with sympathy for raghead terrorists. Got nothing to do with what political party is in power. It's about the United States Constitution and the rule of law. Without that, we're no better than terrorists. --Vic Beautiful. Thanks. |
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On Wed, 6 May 2009 20:01:46 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 06 May 2009 17:01:56 -0400, HK wrote: Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... Don White wrote: "jim78565" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... wrote in message ... I think I finally got an ID on my Grandfathers Boat. Ever heard of a Waymouth?. An older fishing charter Captain down the Lake from me ID'd it. Dont know if it's positive, but he swears that's what it is. Gonna do a google on it, and see if I get a hit. Can't say I have. Is it spelled Waymouth or Weymouth? S. The Brits have a bad habit of misspelling many words. Eisboch I happen to know that you also have a Weymouth in MA. (we have one here in NS of course). A future professional hockey player named Bobby Sheehan, who was in my grade 12 class when he played his junior hockey here, came from there. As a matter of fact, I believe our village got it's name from the Loyalists who left Mass in the mid 1700s when the ungrateful rabble was acting up.. http://www.weymouthnovascotia.com/ My gawd. You sure do know your geography. And when it came time to fight for what's right, the pansies ran north. What's the matter...? You still sore from your navy days when someone sabotaged you by putting sand in your Vasoline? You sure have some oblique "penpals." Is SepticTank FloridaJim referring to U.S. males who headed north during the war against Vietnam so they wouldn't have to bomb or shoot women, children and villages in order to protect Topeka, Kansas, from an invasion by the Viet Cong? I think he's buried way back further in the past......to the United Empire Loyalists who remained loyal to the King. Most gave up all they had to re-settle up here. My maternal grandmothers' family came up from New York after the revolution. We probably have a legtimate claim to a tiny piece of Harlem.... Ahh. Perhaps you can outline for us how Canada and Canadians have suffered the last 100 years or so by maintaining ties to England. At one time the preferred trading status with the Commonwealth including Great Britain meant a lot. At this point... the questionable spending to maintain the Governor General in Ottawa and the provincial Lt. Governors expenses as the Queens representatives might bother a few citizens. Yeah, but the Queen comes to visit... :) That's the Queen Mum to you. Yup...the Queen Mum was always popular here...a proper Scottish lady. As you know she died back in 2002 (hard to believe 7 years already) at the ripe old age of 101. When she was young, Queen Elizabeth herself was quite fetching.but I never cared much for that husband of hers...Philip. Interest in the Royals ebbed a bit but sprung up with a visit by Prince Charles and Princess Diana in the early '80s I never could understand some peoples obsession with royals, especially by Americans. The Canadians have an excuse, the Queen is even on their dough. But then I am rather unimpressed with celebrities in general. I would never dream of asking a movie actor for an autograph. I figure they are entitled to a life when not working. Casady |
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On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:32:10 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: roblem is, arguing about whether water torture is torture is sort of meaningless, don't you think? I mean, it's called water torture. Well it was - until the American government started using it. Then it became waterboarding. I guess some folks are easily confused. Anybody who lets a name get in the way of truth isn't thinking clearly. When I was a kid reading about the Japs using it on US POWs it was torture. They put a long strip of cloth in the victims mouth. They would hold on to one end while the victim swallowed it. Then they would pull it out, slowly, so slowly. They use the cans the cooking kerosene came in and didn't bother to rinse them well. They also ****ed into them. When the victim was full, looking 9 1/2 months pregnant, they would smack them across the belly with a heavy iron bar and burst the stomach. They knew how to waterboard in those days. I figure they ought to send torturers to prison with pedophile paperwork. See how they like being raped to death. Casady |
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On Wed, 6 May 2009 19:48:15 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: Frankly, until this issue arose, I had never heard of water boarding. Lucky you. I read about it in the school library when I was 12. Casady |
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 09:48:48 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: I never could understand some peoples obsession with royals, especially by Americans. The Canadians have an excuse, the Queen is even on their dough. But then I am rather unimpressed with celebrities in general. I would never dream of asking a movie actor for an autograph. I figure they are entitled to a life when not working. One of my kids told me about a hilarious incident he had when he visited Hollywood while on a cross-country driving vacation. He hit a big Mercedes with his Chevy station wagon, or the Mercedes hit him. The Merc had a "driver' and the owner was in the back seat. The black guy from a TV show called E.R. Never watched it and don't know who he is. My son didn't either. It was a little fender bender deal where my son had inched out of an alley or parking lot and the Merc came speeding by, scraping the side against the kid's front bumper. Probably mostly my son's fault. The Merc went on a hundred feet or so before stopping. Son was barely out his car before a guy came running from a nearby restaurant. "Do you know who you're in a accident with!!?" Guy is all breathless excited, and say's "That's blah blah" My kid is thinking WTF? And this guy gets even more excited because my son never heard of him. There was other stuff about how he and this actor did a stare-down. Funny, but you have to hear him tell the story. Anyway, there's lots of people who live their lives worshiping others. Bottom line and most important is it didn't cost the kid a dime. Probably best to pick rich actors for fender benders. --Vic |
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 10:12:14 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote: On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:32:10 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: roblem is, arguing about whether water torture is torture is sort of meaningless, don't you think? I mean, it's called water torture. Well it was - until the American government started using it. Then it became waterboarding. I guess some folks are easily confused. Anybody who lets a name get in the way of truth isn't thinking clearly. When I was a kid reading about the Japs using it on US POWs it was torture. They put a long strip of cloth in the victims mouth. They would hold on to one end while the victim swallowed it. Then they would pull it out, slowly, so slowly. They use the cans the cooking kerosene came in and didn't bother to rinse them well. They also ****ed into them. When the victim was full, looking 9 1/2 months pregnant, they would smack them across the belly with a heavy iron bar and burst the stomach. They knew how to waterboard in those days. I figure they ought to send torturers to prison with pedophile paperwork. See how they like being raped to death. Casady The US executed Japanese soldiers who were found to have waterboarded our troops. Seems pretty clear that human physiology hasn't changed in 60 years, how could our definition of this form of torture? Ideology allows anything. |
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 10:18:10 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Thu, 07 May 2009 09:48:48 -0500, Richard Casady wrote: I never could understand some peoples obsession with royals, especially by Americans. The Canadians have an excuse, the Queen is even on their dough. But then I am rather unimpressed with celebrities in general. I would never dream of asking a movie actor for an autograph. I figure they are entitled to a life when not working. One of my kids told me about a hilarious incident he had when he visited Hollywood while on a cross-country driving vacation. He hit a big Mercedes with his Chevy station wagon, or the Mercedes hit him. The Merc had a "driver' and the owner was in the back seat. The black guy from a TV show called E.R. Never watched it and don't know who he is. My son didn't either. It was a little fender bender deal where my son had inched out of an alley or parking lot and the Merc came speeding by, scraping the side against the kid's front bumper. Probably mostly my son's fault. The Merc went on a hundred feet or so before stopping. Son was barely out his car before a guy came running from a nearby restaurant. "Do you know who you're in a accident with!!?" Guy is all breathless excited, and say's "That's blah blah" My kid is thinking WTF? And this guy gets even more excited because my son never heard of him. There was other stuff about how he and this actor did a stare-down. Funny, but you have to hear him tell the story. Anyway, there's lots of people who live their lives worshiping others. Bottom line and most important is it didn't cost the kid a dime. Probably best to pick rich actors for fender benders. --Vic Color is always the most easily distinguished detail. If the actor were "default" white, you wouldn't have said so. Your description would have only included the gender. I'm not calling you a racist, it's just an interesting aside. I've never watched ER either. |
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 08:37:46 -0700, jps wrote:
Color is always the most easily distinguished detail. If the actor were "default" white, you wouldn't have said so. Your description would have only included the gender. I'm not calling you a racist, it's just an interesting aside. I've never watched ER either. You're thinking too much. If I didn't know Mutt from Jeff I'd say the tall guy or the short guy. You wouldn't suspect tallism or shortism. If I knew the name I'd say Mutt, or Jeff. ER was a popular show and some here probably know who I'm talking about. Just gave some identification info. --Vic |
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Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2009 08:37:46 -0700, jps wrote: Color is always the most easily distinguished detail. If the actor were "default" white, you wouldn't have said so. Your description would have only included the gender. I'm not calling you a racist, it's just an interesting aside. I've never watched ER either. You're thinking too much. If I didn't know Mutt from Jeff I'd say the tall guy or the short guy. You wouldn't suspect tallism or shortism. If I knew the name I'd say Mutt, or Jeff. ER was a popular show and some here probably know who I'm talking about. Just gave some identification info. --Vic I think JPS would have been happy if you called the man negro. He gets so upset when you use the racist term "black". |
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On Thu, 07 May 2009 08:26:39 -0700, jps wrote:
The US executed Japanese soldiers who were found to have waterboarded our troops. Seems pretty clear that human physiology hasn't changed in 60 years, how could our definition of this form of torture? Ideology allows anything. You don't have to go back 60 years. In the Vietnam War, US soldiers were court-martialed for waterboarding. |
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On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:58:42 -0400, BAR wrote:
My wife's ancestors had the good sense to leave Canada back in the 1850's. They must have seen socialism, especially national health care coming and got out fast. I bet it was the Winters |
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On May 9, 7:38*am, Richard Casady wrote:
On Wed, 06 May 2009 18:58:42 -0400, BAR wrote: My wife's ancestors had the good sense to leave Canada back in the 1850's. They must have seen socialism, especially national health care coming and got out fast. I bet it was the Winters No, his family were ****ed because Canada didn't allow Slavery...... |
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