Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...


The Dems can have Specter. He'll be a credit to the party, I am sure.
(barf)
He has only one thing and one person's interests in mind and to
hell with
anyone else, Republican or Democrat. Good riddance.

Eisboch



Yes, and Boner, Cantor, McConnell and Gingrich are selfless.

They have nothing to do with it.
Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots has no
love for
Arlen Specter.

Eisboch

The Patriots were good enough to win without cheating. If you want to
direct your anger towards someone, I think your man is Belichick.

Have you become sensitive to Republican senators passing judgement on
American's morals?

You don't want to go there. Specter's "morals" had nothing to do with
Belichick and everything to do with his relationship with cable
companies and who butters the bread.

Eisboch


I'm supposed to give a crap about professional football?

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Apr 28, 7:03*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...

The Dems can have Specter. *He'll be a credit to the party, I am sure.
(barf)
He has only one thing and one person's interests *in mind and to
hell with
anyone else, Republican or Democrat. * Good riddance.

Eisboch

Yes, and Boner, Cantor, McConnell and Gingrich are selfless.

They have nothing to do with it.
Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots has no
love for
Arlen Specter.

Eisboch

The Patriots were good enough to win without cheating. *If you want to
direct your anger towards someone, I think your man is Belichick.

Have you become sensitive to Republican senators passing judgement on
American's morals?

You don't want to go there. *Specter's "morals" had nothing to do with
Belichick and everything to do with his relationship with cable
companies and who butters the bread.

Eisboch

I'm supposed to give a crap about professional football?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's all about principal and moral core.. you wouldn't understand...

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...


The Dems can have Specter. He'll be a credit to the party, I am
sure.
(barf)
He has only one thing and one person's interests in mind and to hell
with
anyone else, Republican or Democrat. Good riddance.

Eisboch



Yes, and Boner, Cantor, McConnell and Gingrich are selfless.

They have nothing to do with it.
Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots has no
love for
Arlen Specter.

Eisboch

The Patriots were good enough to win without cheating. If you want to
direct your anger towards someone, I think your man is Belichick.

Have you become sensitive to Republican senators passing judgement on
American's morals?

You don't want to go there. Specter's "morals" had nothing to do with
Belichick and everything to do with his relationship with cable companies
and who butters the bread.

Eisboch


I'm supposed to give a crap about professional football?


Didn't ask you.

I got a kick out of something. Believe it or not, I am really not a
political hack and don't pay a lot of attention to the games that are played
or the backroom deals. But over the years a few politicians have imprinted
either a very positive or a very negative impression in my mind for one
reason or another. Not all Dems are negative and not all Republicans are
positive. But Specter has always impressed me as someone who takes care of
Specter, first and foremost, and he's reinforcing that image again.

Turns out, from listening to many of the comments coming from both sides of
the political spectrum, my impression is not a unique one. The Dems are
taking to him like a little kid used to take castor oil. Smells and
tastes like crap, but overall, it's good for you.

I guess.

Eisboch

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:36:48 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
om...
Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...


The Dems can have Specter. He'll be a credit to the party, I am
sure.
(barf)
He has only one thing and one person's interests in mind and to hell
with
anyone else, Republican or Democrat. Good riddance.

Eisboch



Yes, and Boner, Cantor, McConnell and Gingrich are selfless.

They have nothing to do with it.
Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots has no
love for
Arlen Specter.

Eisboch

The Patriots were good enough to win without cheating. If you want to
direct your anger towards someone, I think your man is Belichick.

Have you become sensitive to Republican senators passing judgement on
American's morals?

You don't want to go there. Specter's "morals" had nothing to do with
Belichick and everything to do with his relationship with cable companies
and who butters the bread.

Eisboch


I'm supposed to give a crap about professional football?


Didn't ask you.

I got a kick out of something. Believe it or not, I am really not a
political hack and don't pay a lot of attention to the games that are played
or the backroom deals. But over the years a few politicians have imprinted
either a very positive or a very negative impression in my mind for one
reason or another. Not all Dems are negative and not all Republicans are
positive. But Specter has always impressed me as someone who takes care of
Specter, first and foremost, and he's reinforcing that image again.

Turns out, from listening to many of the comments coming from both sides of
the political spectrum, my impression is not a unique one. The Dems are
taking to him like a little kid used to take castor oil. Smells and
tastes like crap, but overall, it's good for you.

I guess.

Eisboch

It's part of political life to take care of yourself if you hope to
survive. They are all opportunists, it's the nature of the beast.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

"jps" wrote in message
...


It's part of political life to take care of yourself if you hope to
survive. They are all opportunists, it's the nature of the beast.

Two words.

"Term Limits"


Eisboch

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:06:25 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .


It's part of political life to take care of yourself if you hope to
survive. They are all opportunists, it's the nature of the beast.

Two words.

"Term Limits"


Eisboch

It's the same argument you've been hearing from Wall Street. Restrict
us and you'll get inferior talent.

Politics is a career, not a hobby.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:06:25 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
. ..


It's part of political life to take care of yourself if you hope to
survive. They are all opportunists, it's the nature of the beast.

Two words.

"Term Limits"


Eisboch

It's the same argument you've been hearing from Wall Street. Restrict
us and you'll get inferior talent.


Impossible.

Eisboch

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Apr 28, 4:38*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT), wf3h
wrote:





On Apr 28, 1:59*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:03:28 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote:
As opposed to a criminal congress bought and paid for by big
corporations like GE and lazy union bitches... I guess your ideal
government is one that doesn't reach across the isle, do business in
the open, or allow free speech... America as we know it is ****ed.
Time to stock up on ammo...

What are you going to do with the ammo? If you fill out the federal form
honestly, you won't be able to buy a handgun.

This is just the sort of imbalanced jerk that psychological tests for
gun ownership *should ferret out as a threat to himself and others.

my hometown is pittsburgh. having seen what the gun crowd did to
police officers there recently, i'm even more inclined to advocate
repeal of the 2nd amendment. the more i see about gun nuts, the more i
know the 2nd is dangerous for freedom.

The need for militias went out the window when the US decided to
maintain standing armies in the 1950s.

I still consider hunting an honorable pursuit if it's not just for
sport but for sustenance.

The NRA, gun manufacturers and politicians end up protecting
vigilantes. *Until they're personally affected by one of these
paranoid idiots, they'll continue to succumb to political pressure.

What they've allowed is a profusion of weapons, many of which are now
making into the hands of less responsible or ill-intentioned humans.

It's screwed up and out of control.-

well put and true!

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Apr 28, 3:44*pm, wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:33*pm, HK wrote:



wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:19 pm, wrote:
On Apr 28, 2:39 pm, wrote:

On Apr 28, 2:31 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:59 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:03:28 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote:
As opposed to a criminal congress bought and paid for by big
corporations like GE and lazy union bitches... I guess your ideal
government is one that doesn't reach across the isle, do business in
the open, or allow free speech... America as we know it is ****ed.
Time to stock up on ammo...
What are you going to do with the ammo? If you fill out the federal form
honestly, you won't be able to buy a handgun.
This is just the sort of imbalanced jerk that psychological tests for
gun ownership *should ferret out as a threat to himself and others.
Oh yeah, and your lover Harry has even said he would shoot cops if
they came to his door at night.. You really need to be better informed
before you throw around your silly bull****.... So, how do you feel
about Harry having guns? I will expect the usual insults and
deflection, anything but an answer...
No, **** for brains, I never said anything like that. Anyone can come to
my door without a problem. It's what happens after that that matters.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Revisionist history, anyone who reads your bull**** knows what you
said.. *But then again, you are most well known here for being a liar..- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yep, he's nothing but a liar. He's been caught red handed in so many
lies he can't keep up with them! He'll be able to come clean soon, if
he has the balls.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Never happen, this place is all he has, he is not man enough to admit
a mistake...

So, we have **** for brains and his shadow, neither of whom can cough up
the b.s. the original **** for brains claimed as a "fact."-


So, **** for brains wants me to go back and google his posts..
snerk Sorry Harry, I have a life,.

Who's " deflecting " now...

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Apr 28, 3:50*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:33 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:19 pm, wrote:
On Apr 28, 2:39 pm, wrote:
On Apr 28, 2:31 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:59 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:03:28 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote:
As opposed to a criminal congress bought and paid for by big
corporations like GE and lazy union bitches... I guess your ideal
government is one that doesn't reach across the isle, do business in
the open, or allow free speech... America as we know it is ****ed.
Time to stock up on ammo...
What are you going to do with the ammo? If you fill out the federal form
honestly, you won't be able to buy a handgun.
This is just the sort of imbalanced jerk that psychological tests for
gun ownership *should ferret out as a threat to himself and others.
Oh yeah, and your lover Harry has even said he would shoot cops if
they came to his door at night.. You really need to be better informed
before you throw around your silly bull****.... So, how do you feel
about Harry having guns? I will expect the usual insults and
deflection, anything but an answer...
No, **** for brains, I never said anything like that. Anyone can come to
my door without a problem. It's what happens after that that matters.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Revisionist history, anyone who reads your bull**** knows what you
said.. *But then again, you are most well known here for being a liar..- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yep, he's nothing but a liar. He's been caught red handed in so many
lies he can't keep up with them! He'll be able to come clean soon, if
he has the balls.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Never happen, this place is all he has, he is not man enough to admit
a mistake...
So, we have **** for brains and his shadow, neither of whom can cough up
the b.s. the original **** for brains claimed as a "fact."

Which is it, by the way? You can't buy a firearm because of prior
convictions or because of psychological problems?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, **** for brains wants me to go back and google his posts.. snerk
Sorry Harry, I have a life, however I guarantee you 90% of the folks
reading know I don't lie here, as well as 98% of the folks here know
you always do...

Pretty good waffle, especially for a dimwit like you. The reality is,
and you know it, you've simply made up another tale about me that suits
your purposes and when push comes to shove, you've got nothing with
which to back it up.

I obey firearms laws. If you are on my front doorstep and knocking, I
might answer and I might not. If you bust in and you're not a uniformed
cop or obviously some other sort of sworn law enforcement type*, you are
going go get your head blown off.

You're a liar.

BTW, which is it for you? Previously conviction or admission or
psychological problems?

* Not bloody likely cops are going to be busting in my door.

They're too busy throwing the Dwarf down the stairs.Is that like "
Dwarf Tossing"?

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Apr 28, 3:54*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:50 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:33 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:19 pm, wrote:
On Apr 28, 2:39 pm, wrote:
On Apr 28, 2:31 pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:59 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:03:28 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote:
As opposed to a criminal congress bought and paid for by big
corporations like GE and lazy union bitches... I guess your ideal
government is one that doesn't reach across the isle, do business in
the open, or allow free speech... America as we know it is ****ed.
Time to stock up on ammo...
What are you going to do with the ammo? If you fill out the federal form
honestly, you won't be able to buy a handgun.
This is just the sort of imbalanced jerk that psychological tests for
gun ownership *should ferret out as a threat to himself and others.
Oh yeah, and your lover Harry has even said he would shoot cops if
they came to his door at night.. You really need to be better informed
before you throw around your silly bull****.... So, how do you feel
about Harry having guns? I will expect the usual insults and
deflection, anything but an answer...
No, **** for brains, I never said anything like that. Anyone can come to
my door without a problem. It's what happens after that that matters.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Revisionist history, anyone who reads your bull**** knows what you
said.. *But then again, you are most well known here for being a liar..- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yep, he's nothing but a liar. He's been caught red handed in so many
lies he can't keep up with them! He'll be able to come clean soon, if
he has the balls.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Never happen, this place is all he has, he is not man enough to admit
a mistake...
So, we have **** for brains and his shadow, neither of whom can cough up
the b.s. the original **** for brains claimed as a "fact."
Which is it, by the way? You can't buy a firearm because of prior
convictions or because of psychological problems?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So, **** for brains wants me to go back and google his posts.. snerk
Sorry Harry, I have a life, however I guarantee you 90% of the folks
reading know I don't lie here, as well as 98% of the folks here know
you always do...
Pretty good waffle, especially for a dimwit like you. The reality is,
and you know it, you've simply made up another tale about me that suits
your purposes and when push comes to shove, you've got nothing with
which to back it up.

I obey firearms laws. If you are on my front doorstep and knocking, I
might answer and I might not. If you bust in and you're not a uniformed
cop or obviously some other sort of sworn law enforcement type*, you are
going go get your head blown off.

You're a liar.

BTW, which is it for you? Previously conviction or admission or
psychological problems?

* Not bloody likely cops are going to be busting in my door.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pffffttt.. you are funny... what "is, is"?

So, why can't you purchase a firearm, **** for brains? Conviction? Plea?
Psycho?

Under the required intelligence quotient.Less than 73 IQ can't own.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:49:07 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:06:25 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
...


It's part of political life to take care of yourself if you hope to
survive. They are all opportunists, it's the nature of the beast.

Two words.

"Term Limits"


Eisboch

It's the same argument you've been hearing from Wall Street. Restrict
us and you'll get inferior talent.


Impossible.

Eisboch

Okay, I get the humor but I really do wonder who would be drawn to a
life of politics if they knew the investment was short term.

It's easier to believe of politicians than Wall Street prevaricators.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:05:24 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

59 seats and counting...if Franken is seated, that makes a filibuster
proof Democratic majority in the Senate on many Democratic issues, and a
further decline for the crazy conservative Republicans.

The Dems can have Specter. He'll be a credit to the party, I am sure.
(barf)
He has only one thing and one person's interests in mind and to hell with
anyone else, Republican or Democrat. Good riddance.

Hope he takes the Sob Sisters from Maine with him.

It's going to be sooooo much fun watching him lose his seat.

I'm getting my check book warmed up to stroke out a check to his primary
challenger and if he somehow wins the Democrat primary the Republican
challenger. But, I won't have to write a check. The DSCC will tell
Specter to step aside and retire.

Turncoats are never trusted.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

wf3h wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:59 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:03:28 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote:
As opposed to a criminal congress bought and paid for by big
corporations like GE and lazy union bitches... I guess your ideal
government is one that doesn't reach across the isle, do business in
the open, or allow free speech... America as we know it is ****ed.
Time to stock up on ammo...
What are you going to do with the ammo? If you fill out the federal form
honestly, you won't be able to buy a handgun.
This is just the sort of imbalanced jerk that psychological tests for
gun ownership should ferret out as a threat to himself and others.

my hometown is pittsburgh. having seen what the gun crowd did to
police officers there recently, i'm even more inclined to advocate
repeal of the 2nd amendment. the more i see about gun nuts, the more i
know the 2nd is dangerous for freedom.

Whom do you blame for embezzlement? The money crowd?

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

"BAR" wrote in message
...

I'm getting my check book warmed up to stroke out a check to his primary
challenger and if he somehow wins the Democrat primary the Republican
challenger. But, I won't have to write a check. The DSCC will tell Specter
to step aside and retire.


Nope. A deal's a deal. He's in, backed by high sources.

Eisboch

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

BAR wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:05:24 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...

59 seats and counting...if Franken is seated, that makes a
filibuster proof Democratic majority in the Senate on many
Democratic issues, and a further decline for the crazy conservative
Republicans.

The Dems can have Specter. He'll be a credit to the party, I am
sure. (barf)
He has only one thing and one person's interests in mind and to hell
with anyone else, Republican or Democrat. Good riddance.

Hope he takes the Sob Sisters from Maine with him.

It's going to be sooooo much fun watching him lose his seat.

I'm getting my check book warmed up to stroke out a check to his primary
challenger and if he somehow wins the Democrat primary the Republican
challenger. But, I won't have to write a check. The DSCC will tell
Specter to step aside and retire.

Turncoats are never trusted.



You are incredibly naive. Specter is being welcomed with open arms by
the highest ranking leaders of the Democratic Party. He is being given
seniority based upon his entree date to the U.S. Senate. Every major
Democrat will raise money for him and campaign on his behalf.. The only
way he will not be the Democratic nominee in 2010 is if his cancer or
death keeps him out of it. He is 79, after all.

Specter is very popular in Pennsylvania. Further, Democrats in that
state outnumber Republicans by about a million.

Here's what else is going to happen. In their stupidity, the GOP is
going to continue to try to trash the two ladies of Maine, Olympia Snowe
and Susan Collins, both Republican U.S. Senators. Doubtful they will
switch parties, but they will become even more reliable supports of the
Obama agenda.

You and your party are ****ed, Bertie. You have no leaders, no issues,
no ideas, and no agenda, other than to try to screw over Obama and
whatever progress he can make. Proof of your party's vacuousness: Eric
Cantor, the U.S. Representative from the Richmond, Virginia, area, a
complete asshole who is working very hard to preside over the death of
the GOP.

Oh...what's even more delicious in the switchover...he was convinced to
"come on over" by Joe Biden. Specter's oldest and closest friend when
both were in the Senate. Ed Rendell helped, too.

The GOP rapidly is becoming the party of southern redneck evangelicals,
and one asshole in Montgomery County, Maryland.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:59 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:03:28 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote:
As opposed to a criminal congress bought and paid for by big
corporations like GE and lazy union bitches... I guess your ideal
government is one that doesn't reach across the isle, do business in
the open, or allow free speech... America as we know it is ****ed.
Time to stock up on ammo...
What are you going to do with the ammo? If you fill out the federal
form
honestly, you won't be able to buy a handgun.
This is just the sort of imbalanced jerk that psychological tests for
gun ownership should ferret out as a threat to himself and others.

my hometown is pittsburgh. having seen what the gun crowd did to
police officers there recently, i'm even more inclined to advocate
repeal of the 2nd amendment. the more i see about gun nuts, the more i
know the 2nd is dangerous for freedom.

Whom do you blame for embezzlement? The money crowd?


No embezzler in history stole more than the bankers and wall streeters.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...



You are incredibly naive. Specter is being welcomed with open arms by the
highest ranking leaders of the Democratic Party. He is being given
seniority based upon his entree date to the U.S. Senate. Every major
Democrat will raise money for him and campaign on his behalf.. The only
way he will not be the Democratic nominee in 2010 is if his cancer or
death keeps him out of it. He is 79, after all.



That's the "official" party line.

The reality is that many politicians, both Republicans and Democrats think
he is a weasel.
Not my opinion. Watch any of the interviews conducted right after his
announcement.
He's taking care of him and his position and used this opportunity to
negotiate himself a nice, secure position, seniority and guarantied
re-election.

The Swine Flew.

Eisboch

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...



You are incredibly naive. Specter is being welcomed with open arms by
the highest ranking leaders of the Democratic Party. He is being given
seniority based upon his entree date to the U.S. Senate. Every major
Democrat will raise money for him and campaign on his behalf.. The
only way he will not be the Democratic nominee in 2010 is if his
cancer or death keeps him out of it. He is 79, after all.



That's the "official" party line.

The reality is that many politicians, both Republicans and Democrats
think he is a weasel.
Not my opinion. Watch any of the interviews conducted right after his
announcement.
He's taking care of him and his position and used this opportunity to
negotiate himself a nice, secure position, seniority and guarantied
re-election.

The Swine Flew.

Eisboch

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...



You are incredibly naive. Specter is being welcomed with open arms by
the highest ranking leaders of the Democratic Party. He is being given
seniority based upon his entree date to the U.S. Senate. Every major
Democrat will raise money for him and campaign on his behalf.. The
only way he will not be the Democratic nominee in 2010 is if his
cancer or death keeps him out of it. He is 79, after all.



That's the "official" party line.

The reality is that many politicians, both Republicans and Democrats
think he is a weasel.
Not my opinion. Watch any of the interviews conducted right after his
announcement.
He's taking care of him and his position and used this opportunity to
negotiate himself a nice, secure position, seniority and guarantied
re-election.

The Swine Flew.

Eisboch


You mean, Specter is just like every other pol?
Horrors.

At least through his actions, the ultracon crazies running the GOP are
stymied for a while.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots

Ah. now I see where the problem lies. ;-) Specter was never a favorite
of mine. IMO, he's always come across as a pompous, self-righteous ass,
but he is popular in Pennsylvania.

Specter didn't jump ship. He was driven out of the party. That there is
no room in the modern day Republican Party for a 5 time elected Senator
should be troubling for all Republicans. In a democracy, he who has the
most votes wins. You don't get the most votes by driving them into the
other parties hands.

I've been reading a little online about the feeding frenzy developing
around Lindsey Graham. Graham stated that the Republican Party should be
more open to moderate Republicans. He's now the target of some quite
vile characterizations. It's quite sad. Graham is quite a bit too
conservative for my tastes, but he is one of the more competent Senators
on that side of the aisle. I could see him making a strong run for the
Presidency. Unfortunately, I don't see the Republican Party surviving.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:56:08 -0400, HK wrote:


Maybe the GOP will be born again, but without the Crazy Christians and
the neocons.

Who's left?

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots

Ah. now I see where the problem lies. ;-) Specter was never a favorite
of mine. IMO, he's always come across as a pompous, self-righteous ass,
but he is popular in Pennsylvania.

Specter didn't jump ship. He was driven out of the party. That there is
no room in the modern day Republican Party for a 5 time elected Senator
should be troubling for all Republicans. In a democracy, he who has the
most votes wins. You don't get the most votes by driving them into the
other parties hands.

If Specter wants to run as a Democrat he can finish his term as a
Republican and then run as a Democrat in 2010. There is an implied
contract with the voters that he will be who he says he is for the term
he is being elected to represent them.

As others have said Specter is all about Specter and screw everyone else.

I've been reading a little online about the feeding frenzy developing
around Lindsey Graham. Graham stated that the Republican Party should be
more open to moderate Republicans. He's now the target of some quite
vile characterizations. It's quite sad. Graham is quite a bit too
conservative for my tastes, but he is one of the more competent Senators
on that side of the aisle. I could see him making a strong run for the
Presidency. Unfortunately, I don't see the Republican Party surviving.

Graham is loosing all of his liberal buddies, most commonly identified
as RINO's. How long do you think South Carolina is going to put up with
him? Graham running for President, you have got to be kidding or drunk.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:32:19 -0400, BAR wrote:


If Specter wants to run as a Democrat he can finish his term as a
Republican and then run as a Democrat in 2010. There is an implied
contract with the voters that he will be who he says he is for the term
he is being elected to represent them.

So, call him a Republican if you want. Perhaps, now he is full filling
that implied contract with all of the Democrats who have been voting for
him all these years. He's won his past Senate elections with an average
@60%. There aren't that many Republicans in Pennsylvania.

Graham is loosing all of his liberal buddies, most commonly identified
as RINO's. How long do you think South Carolina is going to put up with
him? Graham running for President, you have got to be kidding or drunk.

LOL, the American Conservative Union gave him a 89.79 conservative
rating. He's hardly a Liberal.

http://www.acuratings.org/2008senate.htm

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thunder wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots

Ah. now I see where the problem lies. ;-) Specter was never a favorite
of mine. IMO, he's always come across as a pompous, self-righteous ass,
but he is popular in Pennsylvania.

Specter didn't jump ship. He was driven out of the party. That there is
no room in the modern day Republican Party for a 5 time elected Senator
should be troubling for all Republicans. In a democracy, he who has the
most votes wins. You don't get the most votes by driving them into the
other parties hands.

I've been reading a little online about the feeding frenzy developing
around Lindsey Graham. Graham stated that the Republican Party should be
more open to moderate Republicans. He's now the target of some quite
vile characterizations. It's quite sad. Graham is quite a bit too
conservative for my tastes, but he is one of the more competent Senators
on that side of the aisle. I could see him making a strong run for the
Presidency. Unfortunately, I don't see the Republican Party surviving.


What the GOP is doing now reminds me of Mao's Cultural Revolution in
China, devised to "purge" the country and the party of those whose
thoughts were not steeped in doctrine. The difference, of course, is
that the Republicans are out of power and all they are doing is
diminishing their numbers.

Well, so long as the GOP insists on moving further to the right, my only
wish for the party is further humiliation.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:56:08 -0400, HK wrote:


Maybe the GOP will be born again, but without the Crazy Christians and
the neocons.

Who's left?


JustHate?

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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:20:00 -0400, HK wrote:


What the GOP is doing now reminds me of Mao's Cultural Revolution in
China, devised to "purge" the country and the party of those whose
thoughts were not steeped in doctrine. The difference, of course, is
that the Republicans are out of power and all they are doing is
diminishing their numbers.

Purge is a good name for it. The few moderates left make easy targets
for the "true believers", but when the politically conservatives and the
religious conservatives that define the Republican base start targeting
each other, it's going to get truly ugly. I don't get it. To me, it's
guaranteed self-destruct.

Well, so long as the GOP insists on moving further to the right, my only
wish for the party is further humiliation.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...



You are incredibly naive. Specter is being welcomed with open arms by
the highest ranking leaders of the Democratic Party. He is being
given seniority based upon his entree date to the U.S. Senate. Every
major Democrat will raise money for him and campaign on his behalf..
The only way he will not be the Democratic nominee in 2010 is if his
cancer or death keeps him out of it. He is 79, after all.



That's the "official" party line.

The reality is that many politicians, both Republicans and Democrats
think he is a weasel.
Not my opinion. Watch any of the interviews conducted right after his
announcement.
He's taking care of him and his position and used this opportunity to
negotiate himself a nice, secure position, seniority and guarantied
re-election.

The Swine Flew.

Eisboch


You mean, Specter is just like every other pol?
Horrors.


Sad, Isn't it?

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"thunder" wrote in message
t...
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:56:08 -0400, HK wrote:


Maybe the GOP will be born again, but without the Crazy Christians and
the neocons.

Who's left?

They'll eventually get their act together and reform the GOP. Old ideas die
slowly.
We need a strong, healthy two party system to protect from extremism in
either direction.

Oh, what the hell,

"I hereby announce my canda ...... no..... what ......
am I nuts?


Eisboch

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Apr 29, 8:20*am, HK wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:56:08 -0400, HK wrote:

Maybe the GOP will be born again, but without the Crazy Christians and
the neocons.

Who's left?

JustHate?

Yeah, me and 50% of the rest of the country.. Don't forget that Obama
only won by a point or two, and that could well have been the 8 years
of voter fraud perpetrated by ACORN and the DNC... To completely
dismiss half of the country is just un-American.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
m...



You are incredibly naive. Specter is being welcomed with open arms by
the highest ranking leaders of the Democratic Party. He is being given
seniority based upon his entree date to the U.S. Senate. Every major
Democrat will raise money for him and campaign on his behalf.. The only
way he will not be the Democratic nominee in 2010 is if his cancer or
death keeps him out of it. He is 79, after all.



That's the "official" party line.

The reality is that many politicians, both Republicans and Democrats
think he is a weasel.
Not my opinion. Watch any of the interviews conducted right after his
announcement.
He's taking care of him and his position and used this opportunity to
negotiate himself a nice, secure position, seniority and guarantied
re-election.

The Swine Flew.

Eisboch


You mean, Specter is just like every other pol?
Horrors.

At least through his actions, the ultracon crazies running the GOP are
stymied for a while.


"EVERY other pol". Interesting.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

thunder wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:20:00 -0400, HK wrote:


What the GOP is doing now reminds me of Mao's Cultural Revolution in
China, devised to "purge" the country and the party of those whose
thoughts were not steeped in doctrine. The difference, of course, is
that the Republicans are out of power and all they are doing is
diminishing their numbers.

Purge is a good name for it. The few moderates left make easy targets
for the "true believers", but when the politically conservatives and the
religious conservatives that define the Republican base start targeting
each other, it's going to get truly ugly. I don't get it. To me, it's
guaranteed self-destruct.


I'm not even sure what a "political conservative" is anymore. Most
Republican federal officeholders "talk the talk" about being
conservative, but they don't seem to be able to walk the walk, or even
outline or flesh out any sort of plan for this country to move
forward...well, other than blowing more money on the military or cutting
taxes for the wealthy or weakening already weak regulations.

Personally, I'd love to see a shootout with real weapons between the
so-called political conservatives and the religious conservatives. I
don't care what the latter do in their churches, but when they try to
force their superstitions and backwardness on the general public, I
resent it.

Arlen Specter to switch political parties
 

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:41:31 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


They'll eventually get their act together and reform the GOP. Old ideas
die slowly.
We need a strong, healthy two party system to protect from extremism in
either direction.

I agree with needing a strong, healthy two party system, and we will have
it, but I seriously don't think it's going to be the GOP. The infighting
is getting quite vicious, and may cause wounds to deep to heal. The
chances of a party split are just as likely as reforming, IMO.

Oh, what the hell,

"I hereby announce my canda ...... no..... what ...... am I nuts?


Eisboch

That's another part, who in their right mind would want to run for office
these days? That's rhetorical. ;-) Just look at Washington, and you know
no one in their right mind runs for office. ;-(

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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:20:00 -0400, HK wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots

Ah. now I see where the problem lies. ;-) Specter was never a favorite
of mine. IMO, he's always come across as a pompous, self-righteous ass,
but he is popular in Pennsylvania.

Specter didn't jump ship. He was driven out of the party. That there is
no room in the modern day Republican Party for a 5 time elected Senator
should be troubling for all Republicans. In a democracy, he who has the
most votes wins. You don't get the most votes by driving them into the
other parties hands.

I've been reading a little online about the feeding frenzy developing
around Lindsey Graham. Graham stated that the Republican Party should be
more open to moderate Republicans. He's now the target of some quite
vile characterizations. It's quite sad. Graham is quite a bit too
conservative for my tastes, but he is one of the more competent Senators
on that side of the aisle. I could see him making a strong run for the
Presidency. Unfortunately, I don't see the Republican Party surviving.


What the GOP is doing now reminds me of Mao's Cultural Revolution in
China, devised to "purge" the country and the party of those whose
thoughts were not steeped in doctrine. The difference, of course, is
that the Republicans are out of power and all they are doing is
diminishing their numbers.

Yes. Also reminds me of something else. This is the 20th anniversary
of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
I recall sitting in the corporate lunch room about a week before that
with a high level systems analyst.
An epitome of "logic."
I mentioned how nice it was that The Wall was coming down. Communism
had failed. The Cold War was over.
I thought anybody with sense knew that.
He pooh-poohed me. It was impossible the Wall would come down.
Of course his ideology needed that wall.
Most of the Republicans left are those who don't see that the
Republican Wall has collapsed.
But as it was in 1989, it's the end of an era.
It's hard to predict if they can rebuild a better wall.
Won't take much if the Dems screw up though, and I don't see any sense
in their economic policy for the long-term.

Well, so long as the GOP insists on moving further to the right, my only
wish for the party is further humiliation.

They aren't humiliated. Paranoids don't get humiliated.
We need at least 2 parties. None will succeed until they address jobs
and balance of trade.
Did you hear the uproar about the "buy America" language in the
stimulus package?
From the right and the left. They had to take it out.
Balance that against the Dems saying that jobs will be created by
manufacturing wind turbines and solar cells.
Sorry, the Chinese can manufacture them cheaper.
That basic conflict has to be addressed.
This economy will continue to slide downhill unless protectionist
manufacturing policies are put in place, or until U.S. wages are close
to matching Chinese wages.
BTW, that "card check" no secret ballot BS won't fly.
Legislation addressing methods of holding a fair vote for union
representation through secret ballot might be tried.
That BS about the secret vote not being compromised shows
who is honest in their thinking and who isn't.
Luckily there are plenty of Dems in the Senate who won't buy that.

--Vic

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HK wrote:
BAR wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Apr 28, 1:59 pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:03:28 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote:
As opposed to a criminal congress bought and paid for by big
corporations like GE and lazy union bitches... I guess your ideal
government is one that doesn't reach across the isle, do business in
the open, or allow free speech... America as we know it is ****ed.
Time to stock up on ammo...
What are you going to do with the ammo? If you fill out the federal
form
honestly, you won't be able to buy a handgun.
This is just the sort of imbalanced jerk that psychological tests for
gun ownership should ferret out as a threat to himself and others.

my hometown is pittsburgh. having seen what the gun crowd did to
police officers there recently, i'm even more inclined to advocate
repeal of the 2nd amendment. the more i see about gun nuts, the more i
know the 2nd is dangerous for freedom.

Whom do you blame for embezzlement? The money crowd?


No embezzler in history stole more than the bankers and wall streeters.

They couldn't have done it without the help and support of the f----d up
federal government.

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On Apr 29, 9:04*am, Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:20:00 -0400, HK wrote:
thunder wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:52:21 -0400, Eisboch wrote:

Anybody who is a fan of and follows the New England Patriots

Ah. now I see where the problem lies. ;-) *Specter was never a favorite
of mine. *IMO, he's always come across as a pompous, self-righteous ass,
but he is popular in Pennsylvania. *

Specter didn't jump ship. *He was driven out of the party. That there is
no room in the modern day Republican Party for a 5 time elected Senator
should be troubling for all Republicans. *In a democracy, he who has the
most votes wins. *You don't get the most votes by driving them into the
other parties hands. *

I've been reading a little online about the feeding frenzy developing
around Lindsey Graham. *Graham stated that the Republican Party should be
more open to moderate Republicans. *He's now the target of some quite
vile characterizations. *It's quite sad. *Graham is quite a bit too
conservative for my tastes, but he is one of the more competent Senators
on that side of the aisle. *I could see him making a strong run for the
Presidency. *Unfortunately, I don't see the Republican Party surviving.

What the GOP is doing now reminds me of Mao's Cultural Revolution in
China, devised to "purge" the country and the party of those whose
thoughts were not steeped in doctrine. The difference, of course, is
that the Republicans are out of power and all they are doing is
diminishing their numbers.

Yes. *Also reminds me of something else. *This is the 20th anniversary
of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
I recall sitting in the corporate lunch room about a week before that
with a high level systems analyst.
An epitome of "logic."
I mentioned how nice it was that The Wall was coming down. *Communism
had failed. *The Cold War was over.
I thought anybody with sense knew that.
He pooh-poohed me. *It was impossible the Wall would come down.
Of course his ideology needed that wall.
Most of the Republicans left are those who don't see that the
Republican Wall has collapsed.

This line of thought is intellectually dishonest to say the least. It
suggests that there are not many left when in fact, half of the
country is still republican. Remember, Obama only won by a point or
two... Just about the amount of votes criminal fraud organizations
such as ACORN manufactured...

But as it was in 1989, it's the end of an era.
It's hard to predict if they can rebuild a better wall.
Won't take much if the Dems screw up though, and I don't see any sense
in their economic policy for the long-term.

Well, so long as the GOP insists on moving further to the right, my only
wish for the party is further humiliation.

They aren't humiliated. *Paranoids don't get humiliated.
We need at least 2 parties. *None will succeed until they address jobs
and balance of trade.
Did you hear the uproar about the "buy America" language in the
stimulus package?
From the right and the left. *They had to take it out.
Balance that against the Dems saying that jobs will be created by
manufacturing wind turbines and solar cells.
Sorry, the Chinese can manufacture them cheaper. *
That basic conflict has to be addressed.
This economy will continue to slide downhill unless protectionist
manufacturing policies are put in place, or until U.S. wages are close
to matching Chinese wages.
BTW, that "card check" no secret ballot BS won't fly.
Legislation addressing methods of holding a fair vote for union
representation through secret ballot might be tried.
That BS about the secret vote not being compromised shows
who is honest in their thinking and who isn't.
Luckily there are plenty of Dems in the Senate who won't buy that.

--Vic- Hide quoted text -

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On Apr 28, 4:24*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 28, 3:54 pm, HK wrote:

Never said I couldn't purchace a firearm.. *Hey, for all you know, I
could already have it.

*snerk

Well, as usual if thought you had the integerity I would suggest a
wager.. But of course we all know you are not good for it. Lack of
moral core seems to run rampid with your type...

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On Apr 28, 4:46*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:56:08 -0400, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Apr 28, 8:18 am, HK wrote:
By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent David Espo, Ap Special
Correspondent – 3 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Several officials say veteran Republican Sen. Arlen Specter
of Pennsylvania intends to switch parties, advancing his own hopes of
winning a new term next year while pushing Democrats one step closer to
a 60-vote filibuster-resistant majority.

good move for him as *many of us moderate democrats have been voting
for *him for years. glad to see he recognized the reality.

and it looks like the GOP in PA may be dying, or at least becoming *a
party of angry white conservative males...http://
tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/04/why-specter-did-it----and-had-to-
do-it.php

doesn't bode well for the GOP in PA

It's sorta fun to watch the current iteration of GOP head over Niagara
Falls sans barrel.

Maybe the GOP will be born again, but without the Crazy Christians and
the neocons.

The barrel is being provided courtesy *Boner, Cantor, McConnell,
Limbaugh, Hannity and *Beck.

They've marginalized the party to the point of being *small enough to,
as Grover Norquist once pined, "drown in a bathtub."

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Of course like most of your ilk, you can not deal with facts.. Half of
the country is still Republican, the margine by which Obama won can be
easily attibuted to the criminal activity and vote buying of ACORN and
the DNC.... Anyway, back to your stories, sometimes they are even
amusing...

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On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:06:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"HK" wrote in message
om...



You are incredibly naive. Specter is being welcomed with open arms by the
highest ranking leaders of the Democratic Party. He is being given
seniority based upon his entree date to the U.S. Senate. Every major
Democrat will raise money for him and campaign on his behalf.. The only
way he will not be the Democratic nominee in 2010 is if his cancer or
death keeps him out of it. He is 79, after all.



That's the "official" party line.

The reality is that many politicians, both Republicans and Democrats think
he is a weasel.
Not my opinion. Watch any of the interviews conducted right after his
announcement.
He's taking care of him and his position and used this opportunity to
negotiate himself a nice, secure position, seniority and guarantied
re-election.

The Swine Flew.

http://sweasel.com/archives/3587

Arlen Specter to switch political parties