On Apr 17, 3:14 pm, "Don White" wrote:
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Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 17, 11:25 am, "mmc" wrote:
What a novel idea:http://www.raisedfloorliving.com/
Like this is something new?

No, this is traditional "Cracker house" construction. My house is
built this way.

Not unusual in areas with high water tables...and gives the termites
something beefy - the posts - on which to chew.

The posts do not contact the ground. At least according to code. Seeing
the damage after Katrina, lots of the lost houses were because of
construction practices. A house on a concrete pad. Not bad, but they did
not bolt the house to the pad. You would see a house pad, and no nails,
no bolts sticking up from the pad. Bad union work?

More likely some shifty 'contractor' hiring illegals at the cheapest
possible wage and taking every shortcut imaginable.

That pic is why FL natives dont believe in building on the beach, it
simply isn't permanent.

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Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 17, 11:25 am, "mmc" wrote:
What a novel idea:http://www.raisedfloorliving.com/
Like this is something new?

No, this is traditional "Cracker house" construction. My house is
built this way.


Not unusual in areas with high water tables...and gives the termites
something beefy - the posts - on which to chew.


The posts do not contact the ground. At least according to code. Seeing
the damage after Katrina, lots of the lost houses were because of
construction practices. A house on a concrete pad. Not bad, but they
did not bolt the house to the pad. You would see a house pad, and no
nails, no bolts sticking up from the pad. Bad union work?

More likely some shifty 'contractor' hiring illegals at the cheapest
possible wage and taking every shortcut imaginable.


Oh, you are showing your prejudice now. Most of these homes were built way
before Illegals were doing construction. They were Union Built.

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Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 17, 11:25 am, "mmc" wrote:
What a novel idea:http://www.raisedfloorliving.com/
Like this is something new?
No, this is traditional "Cracker house" construction. My house is
built this way.

Not unusual in areas with high water tables...and gives the termites
something beefy - the posts - on which to chew.

The posts do not contact the ground. At least according to code. Seeing
the damage after Katrina, lots of the lost houses were because of
construction practices. A house on a concrete pad. Not bad, but they did
not bolt the house to the pad. You would see a house pad, and no nails,
no bolts sticking up from the pad. Bad union work?

More likely some shifty 'contractor' hiring illegals at the cheapest
possible wage and taking every shortcut imaginable.



Sure, dummy. And the building inspectors are getting paid off, too, right?

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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:08:56 -0400, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 17, 11:25 am, "mmc" wrote:
What a novel idea:http://www.raisedfloorliving.com/
Like this is something new?
No, this is traditional "Cracker house" construction. My house is
built this way.

Not unusual in areas with high water tables...and gives the termites
something beefy - the posts - on which to chew.

These houses usually use 2.5 CCA posts and there isn't much that can
eat them. I still have some cutoffs from a house built in 1980 on Pine
Island and I use one for a bunk for my jon boat on my dock. It still
looks brand new. I have couple more that I keep next to the garage (in
the grass) for blocking up my trailer when I am working on the boat.
Same thing, still look new.

There were a few in Jax where the posts either were rotted out or were
eaten. I have no idea how the posts were treated. Most of the raised
floor houses I saw there, though, were on short concrete piers.

On Apr 17, 1:39*pm, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:08:56 -0400, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 17, 11:25 am, "mmc" wrote:
What a novel idea:http://www.raisedfloorliving.com/
Like this is something new?
No, this is traditional "Cracker house" construction. My house is
built this way.

Not unusual in areas with high water tables...and gives the termites
something beefy - the posts - on which to chew.

These houses usually use 2.5 CCA posts and there isn't much that can
eat them. I still have some cutoffs from a house built in 1980 on Pine
Island and I use one for a bunk for my jon boat on my dock. It still
looks brand new. I have couple more that I keep next to the garage (in
the grass) for blocking up my trailer when I am working on the boat.
Same thing, still look new.

There were a few in Jax where the posts either were rotted out or were
eaten. I have no idea how the posts were treated. Most of the raised
floor houses I saw there, though, were on short concrete piers.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

House inspector now, huh? Did you learn that at Yale?

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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:39:44 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:08:56 -0400, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 17, 11:25 am, "mmc" wrote:
What a novel idea:http://www.raisedfloorliving.com/
Like this is something new?
No, this is traditional "Cracker house" construction. My house is
built this way.
Not unusual in areas with high water tables...and gives the termites
something beefy - the posts - on which to chew.
These houses usually use 2.5 CCA posts and there isn't much that can
eat them. I still have some cutoffs from a house built in 1980 on Pine
Island and I use one for a bunk for my jon boat on my dock. It still
looks brand new. I have couple more that I keep next to the garage (in
the grass) for blocking up my trailer when I am working on the boat.
Same thing, still look new.
There were a few in Jax where the posts either were rotted out or were
eaten. I have no idea how the posts were treated. Most of the raised
floor houses I saw there, though, were on short concrete piers.

A lot of construction in Florida was done before they really had an
effective building code. People would come down here and do things
like they did up north with disastrous results. Just simple things
like "where does the vapor barrier go?" can make for bad situations.
The whole wind code issue is virtually unknown once you get much north
of the Florida line. That is why some little dust devil gets called a
tornado up there in Md because it rips off a bunch of shingles and
siding. We need engineered, stamped plans to build a shed these days.
You do see the difference after a storm though. Old, pre-code houses
still get blown up but the newer ones come out unscathed. One of my
best demonstrations is the Gilchrist house in Texas. That was built to
the same 150 MPH code Florida requires south of Miami.
It speaks for itself.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/art....house.irpt.jpg


I spent close to a month in south Florida after Andrew preparing a
booklet for a client on how various structures handled the storm and its
aftermath. Hope I still have a few copies of it somewhere. It was pretty
decent, with lots of photos, a few drawings, explanations, all reviewed
by the proper sort of engineers. Codes and lack of code enforcement were
big issues in south Florida then.

That's a great photo, by the way. Never saw it before.

On Apr 17, 3:08*pm, HK wrote:

I spent close to a month in south Florida after Andrew preparing a
booklet for a client on how various structures handled the storm and its
aftermath. Hope I still have a few copies of it somewhere.

Gee, I do too! I'd love to see a copy, liar!

It was pretty
decent, with lots of photos, a few drawings, explanations, all reviewed
by the proper sort of engineers. Codes and lack of code enforcement were
big issues in south Florida then.

No it wasn't "codes and lack of code enforcement". There were codes in
place. They were enforced. But things are learned by such events and
the subsequent testing. THEN the codes are revised.

I'll be waiting to see your thesis. Please, don't forget to list the
engineers that reviewed it. Did they stamp it? How was their review
done?

On Apr 17, 2:08*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:39:44 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:08:56 -0400, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 17, 11:25 am, "mmc" wrote:
What a novel idea:http://www.raisedfloorliving.com/
Like this is something new?
No, this is traditional "Cracker house" construction. My house is
built this way.

Not unusual in areas with high water tables...and gives the termites
something beefy - the posts - on which to chew.

These houses usually use 2.5 CCA posts and there isn't much that can
eat them. I still have some cutoffs from a house built in 1980 on Pine
Island and I use one for a bunk for my jon boat on my dock. It still
looks brand new. I have couple more that I keep next to the garage (in
the grass) for blocking up my trailer when I am working on the boat.
Same thing, still look new.

There were a few in Jax where the posts either were rotted out or were
eaten. I have no idea how the posts were treated. Most of the raised
floor houses I saw there, though, were on short concrete piers.

A lot of construction in Florida was done before they really had an
effective building code. People would come down here and do things
like they did up north with disastrous results. Just simple things
like "where does the vapor barrier go?" can make for bad situations.
The whole wind code issue is virtually unknown once you get much north
of the Florida line. That is why some little dust devil gets called a
tornado up there in Md because *it rips off a bunch of shingles and
siding. We need engineered, stamped plans to build a shed these days.
You do see the difference after a storm though. Old, pre-code houses
still get blown up but the newer ones come out unscathed. One of my
best demonstrations is the Gilchrist house in Texas. That was built to
the same 150 MPH code *Florida requires south of Miami.
It speaks for itself.http://gfretwell.com/electrical/art....ouse.irpt.jpg- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's not just south of Miami. There's lots of coastal areas that are
in the 150 range. BUT, an engineer can still interpolate.

On Apr 17, 3:51*pm, wrote:
On Apr 17, 2:08*pm, wrote:



On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:39:44 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:08:56 -0400, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
On Apr 17, 11:25 am, "mmc" wrote:
What a novel idea:http://www.raisedfloorliving.com/
Like this is something new?
No, this is traditional "Cracker house" construction. My house is
built this way.

Not unusual in areas with high water tables...and gives the termites
something beefy - the posts - on which to chew.

These houses usually use 2.5 CCA posts and there isn't much that can
eat them. I still have some cutoffs from a house built in 1980 on Pine
Island and I use one for a bunk for my jon boat on my dock. It still
looks brand new. I have couple more that I keep next to the garage (in
the grass) for blocking up my trailer when I am working on the boat.
Same thing, still look new.

There were a few in Jax where the posts either were rotted out or were
eaten. I have no idea how the posts were treated. Most of the raised
floor houses I saw there, though, were on short concrete piers.

A lot of construction in Florida was done before they really had an
effective building code. People would come down here and do things
like they did up north with disastrous results. Just simple things
like "where does the vapor barrier go?" can make for bad situations.
The whole wind code issue is virtually unknown once you get much north
of the Florida line. That is why some little dust devil gets called a
tornado up there in Md because *it rips off a bunch of shingles and
siding. We need engineered, stamped plans to build a shed these days.
You do see the difference after a storm though. Old, pre-code houses
still get blown up but the newer ones come out unscathed. One of my
best demonstrations is the Gilchrist house in Texas. That was built to
the same 150 MPH code *Florida requires south of Miami.
It speaks for itself.http://gfretwell.com/electrical/art.....irpt.jpg-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's not just south of Miami. There's lots of coastal areas that are
in the 150 range. BUT, an engineer can still interpolate.

I heard from people who did re-roofing after Andrew that many of those
roofs were done with a nail gun and that there wouild be lines of
nails thru plywood where they completely missed the board underneath
so nothing was holding it on.

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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:51:32 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

You do see the difference after a storm though. Old, pre-code houses
still get blown up but the newer ones come out unscathed. One of my
best demonstrations is the Gilchrist house in Texas. That was built to
the same 150 MPH code Florida requires south of Miami.
It speaks for itself.http://gfretwell.com/electrical/art....ouse.irpt.jpg- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
It's not just south of Miami. There's lots of coastal areas that are
in the 150 range. BUT, an engineer can still interpolate.


This is the current Fla wind code map.
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/windcodemap.jpg

Hurricane Andrew was upgraded to a Cat 5 in the past few years.