| Page 1 of 2 | 1 | 2 |
|
|
What a difference ......
....... three months makes. Obama is letting the CIA and the Bush JD lawyers off the hook. Chris Matthews is strongly defending our anti-Castro position. Keith Olbermann is becoming more and more disgusted with Obama. Stay tuned for further developments. Eisboch |
What a difference ......
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... ...... three months makes. Obama is letting the CIA and the Bush JD lawyers off the hook. Chris Matthews is strongly defending our anti-Castro position. Keith Olbermann is becoming more and more disgusted with Obama. Stay tuned for further developments. Eisboch mmmmmm .. I just may have another year to get to Cuba before the 'merican hordes invade and ruin the place. ;-) |
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:17:02 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: ...... three months makes. Obama is letting the CIA and the Bush JD lawyers off the hook. Chris Matthews is strongly defending our anti-Castro position. Keith Olbermann is becoming more and more disgusted with Obama. Stay tuned for further developments. Eisboch Did he say the lawyers were off the hook? I thought it was just the practitioners who were dependent on the instructions of others. This is where the stark difference between left and right show up. The left aren't afraid to criticize their leaders when there's disagreement. The right often remain in lockstep with its leaders no matter. "Disgust" is your sensationalized version of what's happening. On the left, we consider it discourse, dissent, a challenge to do the right thing. On the right it's considered unpatriotic, sedition or appeasement. |
What a difference ......
On Apr 17, 8:17*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
...... three months makes. Obama is letting the CIA and the Bush JD lawyers off the hook. Chris Matthews is strongly defending our anti-Castro position. Keith Olbermann is becoming more and more disgusted with Obama. Stay tuned for further developments. Eisboch Well, at least the Obama administration is finally providing the openness it promised in the campaign. Of course it's only open about issues related to the Bush administration which he is still running against. No word yet on when they will start to be open and keep any of the promises they made related to their own administration... snerk I heard a pundit this morning claiming this is just the Obama admin keeping it's promise to be more open... LOL... |
What a difference ......
"jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:17:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: ...... three months makes. Obama is letting the CIA and the Bush JD lawyers off the hook. Chris Matthews is strongly defending our anti-Castro position. Keith Olbermann is becoming more and more disgusted with Obama. Stay tuned for further developments. Eisboch Did he say the lawyers were off the hook? I thought it was just the practitioners who were dependent on the instructions of others. This is where the stark difference between left and right show up. The left aren't afraid to criticize their leaders when there's disagreement. The right often remain in lockstep with its leaders no matter. "Disgust" is your sensationalized version of what's happening. On the left, we consider it discourse, dissent, a challenge to do the right thing. On the right it's considered unpatriotic, sedition or appeasement. Sorry. The word "disgust" comes to mind too quickly when thinking of Olbermann. And before you hit the "fire" button, it is his style and manner that I despise so much, not necessarily all his points of views. He creates more division and distrust among people with different thoughts and ideas on a subject than anyone I know and does so with a sneer on his face. Back to your question .... my understanding is that the Bush's JD department is off the hook also. Eisboch |
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:01:45 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote:
No word yet on when they will start to be open and keep any of the promises they made related to their own administration... Well, of the 500 campaign promises Obama made, PolitiFact.com has him breaking only six promises, and keeping 5 pages worth. Not bad, IMO considering he's only been in office 3 months. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/browse/ |
What a difference ......
On Apr 17, 1:12*pm, thunder wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:01:45 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: No word yet on when they will start to be open and keep any of the promises they made related to their own administration... Well, of the 500 campaign promises Obama made, PolitiFact.com has him breaking only six promises, and keeping 5 pages worth. *Not bad, IMO considering he's only been in office 3 months. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/browse/ Well, I don't know how they are rating it, or how they are trimming the info to make it look good, but the important promises such as "reaching over party lines, bills having 5 days for study, openness about admin officials and the waivers, no lobbiests in the admin.. the list goes on, are being ignored... |
What a difference ......
"jps" wrote in message ... "Disgust" is your sensationalized version of what's happening. On the left, we consider it discourse, dissent, a challenge to do the right thing. On the right it's considered unpatriotic, sedition or appeasement. Thanks for bringing this subject up. I don't agree with you. It seems to me from watching and reading the various media outlets and catching the buzz word phrases and talking points of both the lefty lefts and the righty rights that the lefties have adopted a "we are smarter, we are better, we are the enlightened, we are right (correct) attitude. It's at the expense of those who don't share their viewpoints by referring to their "inferior" status. The words "elitist" and "snob" come to mind very quickly. The righty rights have not picked up this habit yet, at least not to the degree the lefty lefts have. Examples are available daily right here in this newsgroup. Eisboch |
What a difference ......
On Apr 17, 1:12*pm, thunder wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:01:45 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: No word yet on when they will start to be open and keep any of the promises they made related to their own administration... Well, of the 500 campaign promises Obama made, PolitiFact.com has him breaking only six promises, and keeping 5 pages worth. *Not bad, IMO considering he's only been in office 3 months. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/browse/ I take it back, I see how they are running the tally.. pffftttt.. Might as well have the New York Lies do the math... snerk |
What a difference ......
On Apr 17, 1:15*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... "Disgust" is your *sensationalized version of what's happening. *On the left, we consider it discourse, dissent, a challenge to do the right thing. On the right it's considered unpatriotic, sedition or appeasement. Thanks for bringing this subject up. * *I don't agree with you. It seems to me from watching and reading the various media outlets and catching the buzz word phrases and talking points of both the lefty lefts and the righty rights that the lefties have adopted a "we are smarter, we are better, we are the enlightened, we are right (correct) attitude. It's at the expense of those who don't share their viewpoints by referring to their "inferior" status. * The words "elitist" and "snob" come to mind very quickly. The righty rights have not picked up this habit yet, at least not to the degree the lefty lefts have. Examples are available daily right here in this newsgroup. Eisboch Yup, take the last "answer" by JPS calling someone "daft" for having a reasonable point of view.. |
What a difference ......
Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... "Disgust" is your sensationalized version of what's happening. On the left, we consider it discourse, dissent, a challenge to do the right thing. On the right it's considered unpatriotic, sedition or appeasement. Thanks for bringing this subject up. I don't agree with you. It seems to me from watching and reading the various media outlets and catching the buzz word phrases and talking points of both the lefty lefts and the righty rights that the lefties have adopted a "we are smarter, we are better, we are the enlightened, we are right (correct) attitude. It's at the expense of those who don't share their viewpoints by referring to their "inferior" status. The words "elitist" and "snob" come to mind very quickly. The righty rights have not picked up this habit yet, at least not to the degree the lefty lefts have. Examples are available daily right here in this newsgroup. Eisboch Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. |
What a difference ......
On Apr 17, 12:40*pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:17:02 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: ...... three months makes. Obama is letting the CIA and the Bush JD lawyers off the hook. Chris Matthews is strongly defending our anti-Castro position. Keith Olbermann is becoming more and more disgusted with Obama. Stay tuned for further developments. Eisboch Did he say the lawyers were off the hook? *I thought it was just the practitioners who were dependent on the instructions of others. This is where the stark difference between left and right show up. * The left aren't afraid to criticize their leaders when there's disagreement. The right often remain in lockstep with its leaders no matter. "Disgust" is your *sensationalized version of what's happening. *On the left, we consider it discourse, dissent, a challenge to do the right thing. On the right it's considered unpatriotic, sedition or appeasement. SNIP 3. IRRESPONSIBLE SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS. Extremists tend to make sweeping claims or judgments on little or no evidence, and they have a tendency to confuse similarity with sameness. That is, they assume that because two (or more) things, events, or persons are alike in some respects, they must be alike in most respects. The sloppy use of analogy is a treacherous form of logic and has a high potential for false conclusions. SNIP Seems our friend JPS is an "extremist".. Hope he never buys a gun...snerk |
What a difference ......
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. You would be pleased to know that in another newsgroup that I infrequently visit I am considered to be very much to the left. And dumb. It's all relative. I admit though, Olbermann personifies the elitist attitude to which I was referring. He's not helping unite anybody, that's for sure. Eisboch I prefer Rachel. More cerebral than Keith, and she answers emails. But I do watch Keith once or twice a week. |
What a difference ......
On Apr 17, 1:50*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. You would be pleased to know that in another newsgroup that I infrequently visit *I am considered to be very much to the left. * And dumb. It's all relative. I admit though, *Olbermann personifies the elitist attitude to which I was referring. He's not helping unite anybody, that's for sure. Eisboch I prefer Rachel. More cerebral than Keith, and she answers emails. But I do watch Keith once or twice a week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "More cerebral"? LOL... Just because she toes the party line.. Both are babbling idiots... |
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:44:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. You would be pleased to know that in another newsgroup that I infrequently visit I am considered to be very much to the left. And dumb. It's all relative. I admit though, Olbermann personifies the elitist attitude to which I was referring. He's not helping unite anybody, that's for sure. Eisboch Olbermann is making money, same as O'Reilly -- they're both pompous asses at their worst and sensible at their best. Glenn Beck is insane and Sean Hannity is a liar. What's the other newsgroup, rec.welovehannity, rec.colddeadhands, alt.armeggeddonnow? |
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:34:09 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote: On Apr 17, 1:12 pm, thunder wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:01:45 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: No word yet on when they will start to be open and keep any of the promises they made related to their own administration... Well, of the 500 campaign promises Obama made, PolitiFact.com has him breaking only six promises, and keeping 5 pages worth. Not bad, IMO considering he's only been in office 3 months. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/browse/ Well, I don't know how they are rating it, or how they are trimming the info to make it look good, but the important promises such as "reaching over party lines, bills having 5 days for study, openness about admin officials and the waivers, no lobbiests in the admin.. the list goes on, are being ignored... "The important promises..." According to who? You? An uneducated dum****? Yes, when Obama made genuine attempts to embrace the Republicans, they spit in his face. Eric Cantor got them to agre to vote along party lines before they even listened to Obama's pitch. Bi-partisanship was rebuked by the R's. Now they're feeling the same sick feeling the D's felt - only the R's never invited the D's to participate. The R's said "**** 'em" as soon as they had the majority. |
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:15:22 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . "Disgust" is your sensationalized version of what's happening. On the left, we consider it discourse, dissent, a challenge to do the right thing. On the right it's considered unpatriotic, sedition or appeasement. Thanks for bringing this subject up. I don't agree with you. It seems to me from watching and reading the various media outlets and catching the buzz word phrases and talking points of both the lefty lefts and the righty rights that the lefties have adopted a "we are smarter, we are better, we are the enlightened, we are right (correct) attitude. It's at the expense of those who don't share their viewpoints by referring to their "inferior" status. The words "elitist" and "snob" come to mind very quickly. The righty rights have not picked up this habit yet, at least not to the degree the lefty lefts have. Why should they? They just call opponents gun-grabbers, baby-killers, socialists or commies. No need to use fancy words. You can't seriously believe that Hannity/Limbaugh think their **** stinks more than Olbermann's. Examples are available daily right here in this newsgroup. That's for sure. But don't mistake who are the "elitists." Both sides think they are the true champions, have nothing but contempt for the other side, and their "leaders" have the little guys fighting each other. It's good for their business. Not much different from major league soccer. The guys putting on the show get rich, and the spectators cry in their beer at losses, cheer small victories, and occasionally the hooligans riot. Nothing new. Your main choice is whether or not to show up for the games. --Vic |
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:00:41 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:15:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. "Disgust" is your sensationalized version of what's happening. On the left, we consider it discourse, dissent, a challenge to do the right thing. On the right it's considered unpatriotic, sedition or appeasement. Thanks for bringing this subject up. I don't agree with you. It seems to me from watching and reading the various media outlets and catching the buzz word phrases and talking points of both the lefty lefts and the righty rights that the lefties have adopted a "we are smarter, we are better, we are the enlightened, we are right (correct) attitude. It's at the expense of those who don't share their viewpoints by referring to their "inferior" status. The words "elitist" and "snob" come to mind very quickly. The righty rights have not picked up this habit yet, at least not to the degree the lefty lefts have. Why should they? They just call opponents gun-grabbers, baby-killers, socialists or commies. No need to use fancy words. You can't seriously believe that Hannity/Limbaugh think their **** stinks more than Olbermann's. Examples are available daily right here in this newsgroup. That's for sure. But don't mistake who are the "elitists." Both sides think they are the true champions, have nothing but contempt for the other side, and their "leaders" have the little guys fighting each other. It's good for their business. Not much different from major league soccer. The guys putting on the show get rich, and the spectators cry in their beer at losses, cheer small victories, and occasionally the hooligans riot. Nothing new. Your main choice is whether or not to show up for the games. --Vic If you don't show up, you're just another spectator. |
What a difference ......
On Apr 17, 1:54*pm, wrote:
On Apr 17, 1:50*pm, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. You would be pleased to know that in another newsgroup that I infrequently visit *I am considered to be very much to the left. * And dumb. It's all relative. I admit though, *Olbermann personifies the elitist attitude to which I was referring. He's not helping unite anybody, that's for sure. Eisboch I prefer Rachel. More cerebral than Keith, and she answers emails. But I do watch Keith once or twice a week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "More cerebral"? LOL... *Just because she toes the party line.. Both are babbling idiots...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Oh man, now Harry is trying to get people to believe that he's corresponding with her!!!!!! WAFA!!!!!! |
What a difference ......
On Apr 17, 1:54*pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:44:31 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. You would be pleased to know that in another newsgroup that I infrequently visit *I am considered to be very much to the left. * And dumb. It's all relative. I admit though, *Olbermann personifies the elitist attitude to which I was referring. He's not helping unite anybody, that's for sure. Eisboch Olbermann is making money, same as O'Reilly -- they're both pompous asses at their worst and sensible at their best. *Glenn Beck is insane and Sean Hannity is a liar. What's the other newsgroup, rec.welovehannity, rec.colddeadhands, alt.armeggeddonnow?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - SNIP 1. CHARACTER ASSASSINATION. Extremists often attack the character of an opponent rather than deal with the facts or issues raised. They will question motives, qualifications, past associations, alleged values, personality, looks, mental health, and so on as a diversion from the issues under consideration. Some of these matters are not entirely irrelevant , but they should not serve to avoid the real issues. Extremists object strenuously when this is done to them, of course! 4. INADEQUATE PROOF FOR ASSERTIONS. Extremists tend to be very fuzzy about what constitutes proof, and they also tend to get caught up in logical fallacies, such as post hoc ergo propter hoc (assuming that a prior event explains a subsequent occurrence simply because of their before and after relationship). They tend to project wished-for conclusions and to exaggerate the significance of information that confirms their beliefs while derogating or ignoring information that contradicts them. They tend to be motivated by feelings more than facts, by what they want to exist rather than what actually does exist. Extremists do a lot of wishful and fearful thinking. /SNIP Harry and JPS should read the whole article.. It would make them explode...;) |
What a difference ......
"jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:15:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "jps" wrote in message . .. "Disgust" is your sensationalized version of what's happening. On the left, we consider it discourse, dissent, a challenge to do the right thing. On the right it's considered unpatriotic, sedition or appeasement. Thanks for bringing this subject up. I don't agree with you. We'll have to agree to disagree. If the right were upset with Obama about following the course of Bush on wiretapping, the left wouldn't jump up and claim the right is guilty of being unpatriotic or guilty of sedition, bringing comfort to the enemy. This is exactly what we experienced when questioning Bush/Cheney policies and decisions. Think about pre-emptive war and how the left was berated for not buying into this stupid tactic that's going to smell a lot like **** when it hits our face. We're already experiencing other countries spitting at us when we attempt to temper their inhumane actions. "Who are you to tell us what to do, you've occupied a country and tortured its citizens." Sorry. Old news, over and over. The left continues to dismiss the fact that most of them were also trumpeting the call for war, many even to Clinton before Georgie boy even came upon the scene. You know, it's the "I was against it after I was for it" routine. But seriously, it sure seems like President Obama is quite different than Candidate Obama in some significant ways. He's still addressing campaign promises (politically good for him and the party) but the details of his policies, particularly in non-domestic areas are becoming surprisingly more like those of Bush and Co. There's a backlash brewing. The "TEA" party joke does have one lasting thread to it. The public does not appreciate the secret manner in which bailouts are being handled by his administration. Too much money being forced into the wrong hands, in their opinion. I think this may come back to bite him in the rear in 2010 and then possibly 2012 unless he changes course a bit, listens to the natives, or gives one humdinger of a speech explaining why the banks and Wall Street deserve all the tax payer's money he is giving them. Oh, and one other bite. Money gained by federal tax relief being bantered about so much for 95 percent of taxpayers is becoming fairy tale as states scramble to increase taxes on everything from gas to beer in an attempt to raise money. Whatever the 95 percent gained on one hand is going out on the other. People have a very practical way of evaluating things like this. If you are going to hand banks their money, they deserve to know who needs it and who doesn't. The secret manner in which it is being done is bothering a lot of people, including some of the banks. Eisboch |
What a difference ......
On Apr 17, 1:59*pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:34:09 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Apr 17, 1:12 pm, thunder wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:01:45 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: No word yet on when they will start to be open and keep any of the promises they made related to their own administration... Well, of the 500 campaign promises Obama made, PolitiFact.com has him breaking only six promises, and keeping 5 pages worth. *Not bad, IMO considering he's only been in office 3 months. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/browse/ Well, I don't know how they are rating it, or how they are trimming the info to make it look good, but the important promises such as "reaching over party lines, bills having 5 days for study, openness about admin officials and the waivers, no lobbiests in the admin.. the list goes on, are being ignored... "The important promises..." According to who? You? An uneducated dum****? Yes, when Obama made genuine attempts to embrace the Republicans, they spit in his face. *Eric Cantor got them to agre to vote along party lines before they even listened to Obama's pitch. Bi-partisanship was rebuked by the R's. *Now they're feeling the same sick feeling the D's felt - only the R's never invited the D's to participate. *The R's said "**** 'em" as soon as they had the majority.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sitting down, listening, and competely dismissing all ideas and refusing debate or admendments by republicans is not reaching across the isle... Just because Obama, Cobert, Stewart, Gibbs and Obermann said it does not make it true. The repubs were completely shut out, period.. SNIP 5. ADVOCACY OF DOUBLE STANDARDS. Extremists generally tend to judge themselves or their interest group in terms of their intentions, which they tend to view very generously, and others by their acts, which they tend to view very critically. They would like you to accept their assertions on faith, but they demand proof for yours. They tend to engage in special pleading on behalf of themselves or their interests, usually because of some alleged special status, past circumstances, or present disadvantage. /SNIP This guy wrote a book about you... |
What a difference ......
"HK" wrote in message ... wrote: On Apr 17, 1:12 pm, thunder wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:01:45 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: No word yet on when they will start to be open and keep any of the promises they made related to their own administration... Well, of the 500 campaign promises Obama made, PolitiFact.com has him breaking only six promises, and keeping 5 pages worth. Not bad, IMO considering he's only been in office 3 months. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/browse/ Well, I don't know how they are rating it, or how they are trimming the info to make it look good, but the important promises such as "reaching over party lines, bills having 5 days for study, openness about admin officials and the waivers, no lobbiests in the admin.. the list goes on, are being ignored... "The important promises..." According to who? You? An uneducated dum****? Oh, a lefty elitist. |
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:09:21 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: "jps" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:15:22 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: "jps" wrote in message ... "Disgust" is your sensationalized version of what's happening. On the left, we consider it discourse, dissent, a challenge to do the right thing. On the right it's considered unpatriotic, sedition or appeasement. Thanks for bringing this subject up. I don't agree with you. We'll have to agree to disagree. If the right were upset with Obama about following the course of Bush on wiretapping, the left wouldn't jump up and claim the right is guilty of being unpatriotic or guilty of sedition, bringing comfort to the enemy. This is exactly what we experienced when questioning Bush/Cheney policies and decisions. Think about pre-emptive war and how the left was berated for not buying into this stupid tactic that's going to smell a lot like **** when it hits our face. We're already experiencing other countries spitting at us when we attempt to temper their inhumane actions. "Who are you to tell us what to do, you've occupied a country and tortured its citizens." Sorry. Old news, over and over. The left continues to dismiss the fact that most of them were also trumpeting the call for war, many even to Clinton before Georgie boy even came upon the scene. You know, it's the "I was against it after I was for it" routine. This isn't the royal we I'm referring to. I experienced it first hand. Many of those discussions were right here in rec.boats. I argued against it as did most on the left. We were told we were unpatriotic, guilty of sedition and aiding and comforting the enemy by voicing dissent. Your attempt to depersonalize it won't work. But seriously, it sure seems like President Obama is quite different than Candidate Obama in some significant ways. He's still addressing campaign promises (politically good for him and the party) but the details of his policies, particularly in non-domestic areas are becoming surprisingly more like those of Bush and Co. Only those who saw him as an unmitigated liberal were under such delusions. Those of us who understood who he was while campaigning understood that he was and is a moderate. Those who didn't actually pay attention and just listed to the rhetoric may now be surprised but very few who were paying attention are surprised. My support of him was based on the fact that he would be smart enough to govern closer to the center, as Clinton had done. Those of us who watched Clinton also watched some of our issues get trampled but understood that, in getting things done, compromise was necessary. You are apparently among the surprised. There's a backlash brewing. The "TEA" party joke does have one lasting thread to it. The public does not appreciate the secret manner in which bailouts are being handled by his administration. Too much money being forced into the wrong hands, in their opinion. That's just the message you picked up that resonated. There was a whole host of themes the protesters fielded. I think this may come back to bite him in the rear in 2010 and then possibly 2012 unless he changes course a bit, listens to the natives, or gives one humdinger of a speech explaining why the banks and Wall Street deserve all the tax payer's money he is giving them. Oh, and one other bite. Money gained by federal tax relief being bantered about so much for 95 percent of taxpayers is becoming fairy tale as states scramble to increase taxes on everything from gas to beer in an attempt to raise money. Whatever the 95 percent gained on one hand is going out on the other. Everyone who gets a paycheck as seen their take home pay go up. Every state, county and city is having to belt tighten which isn't being chalked up to Obama. It's being chalked up to Bush, deregulation and greedy assholes on Wall Street. That Obama has to prop these whores up to ensure recovery is the downside of having won the election. People have a very practical way of evaluating things like this. If you are going to hand banks their money, they deserve to know who needs it and who doesn't. The secret manner in which it is being done is bothering a lot of people, including some of the banks. It's now coming out how Paulson pulled a fast one with the initial funds the Bush Admin put into place. The controls have stiffened significantly since and more are going into effect now. Once the investments start coming back, Obama may be seen as a savior in 2010 and 2012. The R's are still the party of no, haven't any ideas beyond sustaining tax cuts for the wealthy. |
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:04:23 -0700, jps wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:00:41 -0500, Vic Smith Your main choice is whether or not to show up for the games. --Vic If you don't show up, you're just another spectator. Everybody here is a spectator. The only game is election day. But the real fans can argue off-season. Of course there may be some political activists here who actually participate in politics when they're not boating. Personally, I find their boats more interesting. Most can talk real nuts and bolts about boat, but they're just nuts when talking politics. --Vic |
What a difference ......
HK wrote:
wrote: On Apr 17, 1:12 pm, thunder wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:01:45 -0700, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: No word yet on when they will start to be open and keep any of the promises they made related to their own administration... Well, of the 500 campaign promises Obama made, PolitiFact.com has him breaking only six promises, and keeping 5 pages worth. Not bad, IMO considering he's only been in office 3 months. http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/browse/ Well, I don't know how they are rating it, or how they are trimming the info to make it look good, but the important promises such as "reaching over party lines, bills having 5 days for study, openness about admin officials and the waivers, no lobbiests in the admin.. the list goes on, are being ignored... "The important promises..." According to who? You? An uneducated dum****? Now there's important promises and unimportant promises. You really are a trip. Sheesh! |
What a difference ......
|
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:34:13 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:04:23 -0700, jps wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:00:41 -0500, Vic Smith Your main choice is whether or not to show up for the games. --Vic If you don't show up, you're just another spectator. Everybody here is a spectator. The only game is election day. But the real fans can argue off-season. Of course there may be some political activists here who actually participate in politics when they're not boating. Personally, I find their boats more interesting. Most can talk real nuts and bolts about boat, but they're just nuts when talking politics. --Vic Present company excepted I'm sure. |
What a difference ......
|
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:01:40 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote: On Apr 17, 1:50 pm, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. You would be pleased to know that in another newsgroup that I infrequently visit I am considered to be very much to the left. And dumb. It's all relative. I admit though, Olbermann personifies the elitist attitude to which I was referring. He's not helping unite anybody, that's for sure. Eisboch I prefer Rachel. More cerebral than Keith, and she answers emails. But I do watch Keith once or twice a week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "More cerebral"? LOL... Just because she toes the party line.. Both are babbling idiots... The idea of you discussing cerebral in connection with anything other than your hemorrhage is ludicrous. Rachel is a very bright young woman. She was a Rhodes scholar and holds a DPhil from the University of Oxford. *You* couldn't get a job cleaning toilets there. I disagree with you there Harry. Freak could get a job cleaning toilets at Oxford. However, chances are they'd toss him for doing a ****ty job. |
What a difference ......
jps wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:01:40 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Apr 17, 1:50 pm, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. You would be pleased to know that in another newsgroup that I infrequently visit I am considered to be very much to the left. And dumb. It's all relative. I admit though, Olbermann personifies the elitist attitude to which I was referring. He's not helping unite anybody, that's for sure. Eisboch I prefer Rachel. More cerebral than Keith, and she answers emails. But I do watch Keith once or twice a week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "More cerebral"? LOL... Just because she toes the party line.. Both are babbling idiots... The idea of you discussing cerebral in connection with anything other than your hemorrhage is ludicrous. Rachel is a very bright young woman. She was a Rhodes scholar and holds a DPhil from the University of Oxford. *You* couldn't get a job cleaning toilets there. I disagree with you there Harry. Freak could get a job cleaning toilets at Oxford. However, chances are they'd toss him for doing a ****ty job. You could be right. But they'd flush him, not toss him. |
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:04:10 -0400, HK wrote:
jps wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:01:40 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Apr 17, 1:50 pm, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. You would be pleased to know that in another newsgroup that I infrequently visit I am considered to be very much to the left. And dumb. It's all relative. I admit though, Olbermann personifies the elitist attitude to which I was referring. He's not helping unite anybody, that's for sure. Eisboch I prefer Rachel. More cerebral than Keith, and she answers emails. But I do watch Keith once or twice a week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "More cerebral"? LOL... Just because she toes the party line.. Both are babbling idiots... The idea of you discussing cerebral in connection with anything other than your hemorrhage is ludicrous. Rachel is a very bright young woman. She was a Rhodes scholar and holds a DPhil from the University of Oxford. *You* couldn't get a job cleaning toilets there. I disagree with you there Harry. Freak could get a job cleaning toilets at Oxford. However, chances are they'd toss him for doing a ****ty job. You could be right. But they'd flush him, not toss him. Flush the tosser. |
What a difference ......
jps wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:04:10 -0400, HK wrote: You could be right. But they'd flush him, not toss him. Flush the tosser. You two going to have a baby? Johnson. |
What a difference ......
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:29:32 -0400, Johnson
wrote: jps wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:04:10 -0400, HK wrote: You could be right. But they'd flush him, not toss him. Flush the tosser. You two going to have a baby? Johnson. Speaking of flushing the tosser... |
What a difference ......
On Apr 17, 3:56*pm, jps wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:01:40 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Apr 17, 1:50 pm, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. You would be pleased to know that in another newsgroup that I infrequently visit *I am considered to be very much to the left. * And dumb. It's all relative. I admit though, *Olbermann personifies the elitist attitude to which I was referring. He's not helping unite anybody, that's for sure. Eisboch I prefer Rachel. More cerebral than Keith, and she answers emails. But I do watch Keith once or twice a week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "More cerebral"? LOL... *Just because she toes the party line.. Both are babbling idiots... The idea of you discussing cerebral in connection with anything other than your hemorrhage is ludicrous. Rachel is a very bright young woman. She was a Rhodes scholar and holds a DPhil from the University of Oxford. *You* couldn't get a job cleaning toilets there. I disagree with you there Harry. *Freak could get a job cleaning toilets at Oxford. *However, chances are they'd toss him for doing a ****ty job.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Seems you guys have all the qualifications to be considered "extremists" and of course bigots too... SNIP 1. CHARACTER ASSASSINATION. Extremists often attack the character of an opponent rather than deal with the facts or issues raised. They will question motives, qualifications, past associations, alleged values, personality, looks, mental health, and so on as a diversion from the issues under consideration. Some of these matters are not entirely irrelevant , but they should not serve to avoid the real issues. Extremists object strenuously when this is done to them, of course! /SNIP You guys are two ****ers in a pot..... pffftttt.. Neither one of you has the character or intellect to debate anything without name- calling.. |
What a difference ......
|
What a difference ......
I haven't been here in a long time, but I see Ole Harry still has a way
with words. ================================== According to who? You? An uneducated dum****? |
What a difference ......
"jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:01:40 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Apr 17, 1:50 pm, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. You would be pleased to know that in another newsgroup that I infrequently visit I am considered to be very much to the left. And dumb. It's all relative. I admit though, Olbermann personifies the elitist attitude to which I was referring. He's not helping unite anybody, that's for sure. Eisboch I prefer Rachel. More cerebral than Keith, and she answers emails. But I do watch Keith once or twice a week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "More cerebral"? LOL... Just because she toes the party line.. Both are babbling idiots... The idea of you discussing cerebral in connection with anything other than your hemorrhage is ludicrous. Rachel is a very bright young woman. She was a Rhodes scholar and holds a DPhil from the University of Oxford. *You* couldn't get a job cleaning toilets there. I disagree with you there Harry. Freak could get a job cleaning toilets at Oxford. However, chances are they'd toss him for doing a ****ty job. He'd get carried away with the 'all you can eat' benefit. |
What a difference ......
Don White wrote:
"jps" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:01:40 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Apr 17, 1:50 pm, HK wrote: Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Most of the "righty rights" here are as dumb as a doorknob. Loogy is a lefty; he's also dumb as a doorknob. You're a moderate righty, and I don't think you have been accused of being dumb. You would be pleased to know that in another newsgroup that I infrequently visit I am considered to be very much to the left. And dumb. It's all relative. I admit though, Olbermann personifies the elitist attitude to which I was referring. He's not helping unite anybody, that's for sure. Eisboch I prefer Rachel. More cerebral than Keith, and she answers emails. But I do watch Keith once or twice a week.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - "More cerebral"? LOL... Just because she toes the party line.. Both are babbling idiots... The idea of you discussing cerebral in connection with anything other than your hemorrhage is ludicrous. Rachel is a very bright young woman. She was a Rhodes scholar and holds a DPhil from the University of Oxford. *You* couldn't get a job cleaning toilets there. I disagree with you there Harry. Freak could get a job cleaning toilets at Oxford. However, chances are they'd toss him for doing a ****ty job. He'd get carried away with the 'all you can eat' benefit. I feel certain would not let JustHate keep a motorcycle in the kitchen. |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:16 PM. |
|
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com