Tim wrote:
On Apr 15, 7:11 pm, Dave Brown wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
Ran into a potential problem with the boat sale. The buyer's surveyor
discovered that the oil pans on the engines were in bad shape and need
to be replaced. I never noticed (although I never really personally
inspected them having owned the boat for less than a year) and the
surveyor I had when I bought it missed them completely.
Just for my own further education, how did he determine they were not
longer fit for service? Has the boat seen salt water? I have only ever
had to replace one oil pan in 33 years working on boats (and it was
cracked) so this is very interesting to me.

--
Regards,
Dave Brown
Brown's Marina Ltd
http://brownsmarina.com/

Dave, I was wondering abou that myself. I've never known of anybody
having an oil pan rust though like what Richard is describing.
besides, if it was THAT bad, then the bildge would already be filed
with oil, I would think.

I'm wondering if the gasket[s] or main seals are leaking instead?

Salt water takes it's toll. This is not uncommon to have a pan rusted
out. He's lucky to have caught it before it leaked. The corners of the
sump and near the drain plug are usually the problem areas because they
are the lowest and wettest parts of the pan.

On Apr 15, 10:01*pm, jim78565 wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Apr 15, 7:11 pm, Dave Brown wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
Ran into a potential problem with the boat sale. *The buyer's surveyor
discovered that the oil pans on the engines were in bad shape and need
to be replaced. * I never noticed *(although I never really personally
inspected them having owned the boat for less than a year) *and the
surveyor I had when I bought it missed them completely.
Just for my own further education, how did he determine they were not
longer fit for service? Has the boat seen salt water? I have only ever
had to replace one oil pan in 33 years working on boats (and it was
cracked) so this is very interesting to me.

--
Regards,
* * * Dave Brown
* * * Brown's Marina Ltd
* * *http://brownsmarina.com/

Dave, I was wondering abou that myself. I've never known of anybody
having an oil pan rust though like what Richard is describing.
besides, if it was THAT bad, then the bildge would already be filed
with oil, I would think.

I'm wondering if the gasket[s] *or main seals are leaking instead?

Salt water takes it's toll. This is not uncommon to have a pan rusted
out. He's lucky to have caught it before it leaked. The corners of the
sump and near the drain plug are usually the problem areas because they
are the lowest and wettest parts of the pan.

Thanks guys. I'm not blinded to the fact that it can't happen,but i
suppose thats from leading a sheltered life of fresh-water trailer
boating.....

?;^ )

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Thanks guys. I'm not blinded to the fact that it can't happen,but i
suppose thats from leading a sheltered life of fresh-water trailer
boating.....

?;^ )


Fresh water boating and salt water boating are two different animals, that's
for sure.
Also, boats that stay in the water (at a slip or mooring) for the entire
season or year-round, particularly in salt water, lead a rough life compared
to a trailered boat that is hauled and kept "dry" most of the time.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:59:37 -0400, "Eisboch"
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Thanks guys. I'm not blinded to the fact that it can't happen,but i
suppose thats from leading a sheltered life of fresh-water trailer
boating.....

Can I get an OooRah for outboards over inboards in salt water ?
;-)

I never liked that much hardware in a place I couldn't get to.



I agree, but outboards aren't really practical on a 40 foot cruiser.

Eisboch

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:56:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
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Can I get an OooRah for outboards over inboards in salt water ?
;-)

I never liked that much hardware in a place I couldn't get to.



I agree, but outboards aren't really practical on a 40 foot cruiser.

Eisboch




I keep forgetting you guys are not really "boaters" you are
"yachtsmen" ;-)


On the other hand when I see these guys with three 275s on the back, I
wonder why you couldn't have outboards.



$$$$$$$$

Three 275hp outboards are mighty expensive, compared to two 454ci inboards.

Plus, handling becomes a significant issue. Outboards would radically
change the
pivot point (or whatever you call it) on a larger boat, I would think.
I've watched boats as large as a 36' with outboards (four, big Mercs)
maneuver into a slip. It appears much easier to do with inboards where you
have two props located further forward. I don't know for a fact, because
I've never tried it, but it appears to be more difficult with outboards from
watching.

BTW, a forty footer is hardly a yacht. I used to think the Navigator we
had was a big boat at 52'8" LOA until I took it to Florida. Down there it
was a peanut.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:56:31 -0400, "Eisboch"
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Can I get an OooRah for outboards over inboards in salt water ?
;-)

I never liked that much hardware in a place I couldn't get to.



I agree, but outboards aren't really practical on a 40 foot cruiser.

Eisboch




I keep forgetting you guys are not really "boaters" you are
"yachtsmen" ;-)


On the other hand when I see these guys with three 275s on the back, I
wonder why you couldn't have outboards.



$$$$$$$$

Three 275hp outboards are mighty expensive, compared to two 454ci inboards.

Plus, handling becomes a significant issue. Outboards would radically
change the
pivot point (or whatever you call it) on a larger boat, I would think.
I've watched boats as large as a 36' with outboards (four, big Mercs)
maneuver into a slip. It appears much easier to do with inboards where
you have two props located further forward. I don't know for a fact,
because I've never tried it, but it appears to be more difficult with
outboards from watching.

BTW, a forty footer is hardly ahttp://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24euqu9&s=5 yacht. I used to think the Navigator
we had was a big boat at 52'8" LOA until I took it to Florida. Down
there it was a peanut.

Eisboch



Horsepower limited by width of transom. Example
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24euqu9&s=5

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:00:54 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

BTW, a forty footer is hardly a yacht. I used to think the Navigator we
had was a big boat at 52'8" LOA until I took it to Florida. Down there it
was a peanut.

Yup, when you take a little cruise down the New River in Ftc
Lauderdale you get a hint how the rich people live and that still
isn't Palm Beach.
I am still chugging around in "The Butt Ugly" and pretty happy with my
1 GPH even if gas is half price now.
As Wayne can tell you, I am not getting a 40 footer down my canal.

I certainly hope not. Sounds painful.

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On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:00:54 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

BTW, a forty footer is hardly a yacht. I used to think the Navigator we
had was a big boat at 52'8" LOA until I took it to Florida. Down there
it
was a peanut.

Yup, when you take a little cruise down the New River in Ftc
Lauderdale you get a hint how the rich people live and that still
isn't Palm Beach.
I am still chugging around in "The Butt Ugly" and pretty happy with my
1 GPH even if gas is half price now.
As Wayne can tell you, I am not getting a 40 footer down my canal.


I often think now that we should have kept the Grand Banks. It was slow,
but relaxing.
The only time I felt any anxiousness was transiting the Cape Cod Canal at
the wrong time (meaning against a 5-6 kt current). The speed drop off
wasn't a big issue, but the way the current swirls through certain sections
it makes the bow want to fall off one way or the other. I suspect if it
happened it could be tough trying to come around again. My other fear was
going through *with* the current and having them lower the railroad bridge
you go under as you approached it. If too close, the procedure would be to
turn around (against the current) and throttle up hoping to keep you in
place and not up against the bridge.

At only 120hp and a single screw, it didn't have much power.

Eisboch

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:50:39 -0400, wrote:

As Wayne can tell you, I am not getting a 40 footer down my canal.

Maybe with a running start. :-)

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:17:08 -0500, wrote:

On the other hand when I see these guys with three 275s on the back, I
wonder why you couldn't have outboards.

The big issues are fuel burn, range, and keeping the props in the
water going through big seas. There is also a limit with how big a
prop you can spin on an outboard, which limits low speed thrust. With
inboard diesels and big props you do most of your maneuvering without
touching the throttles.