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On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....


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You spinmiesters crack me up. Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line
with the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. It also
states that the strongest opposition to the Fiat requirements are
coming from the CAW. So far, the CAW won't budge. Pretty soon they
will be out of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. They owe Canada $500,000
from 2002 or something like that. Real welchers. Shut them down, we
don't need that kind of leach business model in Canada. Plus, from what
friends tell me they still don't know how to make a automatic
transmission. Ya, I bought 2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

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/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
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GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
We don't steal from you!
Why do you steal from us?


Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.

Sounds like the last Chrysler hasn't learned much since I bought a 1989
Caravan. Last Chrysler/Dodge crap I owned.

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:01:13 -0600, "Canuck57"
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"Don White" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....


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You spinmiesters crack me up. Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line
with the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. It also
states that the strongest opposition to the Fiat requirements are
coming from the CAW. So far, the CAW won't budge. Pretty soon they
will be out of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. They owe Canada $500,000
from 2002 or something like that. Real welchers. Shut them down, we
don't need that kind of leach business model in Canada. Plus, from what
friends tell me they still don't know how to make a automatic
transmission. Ya, I bought 2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
We don't steal from you!
Why do you steal from us?


Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.

Sounds like the last Chrysler hasn't learned much since I bought a 1989
Caravan. Last Chrysler/Dodge crap I owned.

Bought a new Grand Cherokee with the 6 cyl in 1995 that I sold to a
family member last year, still running strong. Awesome in winter
where snow lasts for months. Dropped a transmission at around 50K
miles but it was still under warranty.

Not saying I'd buy another but it wasn't a horrible experience.

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Bought a new Grand Cherokee with the 6 cyl in 1995 that I sold to a
family member last year, still running strong. Awesome in winter
where snow lasts for months. Dropped a transmission at around 50K
miles but it was still under warranty.

Not saying I'd buy another but it wasn't a horrible experience.



I am not sure that Jeep really qualifies as a MoPar designed product. The
Jeep line was purchased by MoPar from American Motors (remember the
"Rambler"?)

But, during the 50's and 60's, MoPar built some tanks of cars. They
weren't exactly refined when compared to GM and even some Ford products but
they were tough as hell. The legendary A727 transmission introduced in the
early 60's is still considered to be one of the best automatic transmissions
ever designed and built. They were (are) virtually bullet proof and are
just as happy in a high performance muscle car as they are in a mild
mannered family sedan. The '69 "General Lee" Dodge Charger I had for a
while had a 727 transmission mated to a high output 440 ci engine. Both
the engine and transmission were slightly modified. The engine had high
compression pistons, a mild cam and was electronically tweaked for high
horsepower. The only modification made to the transmission was the
addition of a shift kit. I never really pushed the car to it's potential,
but it had brute power, as long as you were going in a straight line.

It's a bit ironic that the more modern MoPar transmissions used in the
Caravan and in the early Ram trucks didn't share the same robust design and
reputation.

Eisboch

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:33:20 -0400, "Eisboch"
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"jps" wrote in message
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Bought a new Grand Cherokee with the 6 cyl in 1995 that I sold to a
family member last year, still running strong. Awesome in winter
where snow lasts for months. Dropped a transmission at around 50K
miles but it was still under warranty.

Not saying I'd buy another but it wasn't a horrible experience.



I am not sure that Jeep really qualifies as a MoPar designed product. The
Jeep line was purchased by MoPar from American Motors (remember the
"Rambler"?)

Oh boy, do I ever. Nash Rambler through the super hot Pacer.

I had a Dodge Dart for several years in my early twenties. Jacked up
with giant chrome American Racing wheels. Finally totaled it one
night by driving over a 3 ft. boulder that had rolled onto Hwy 101
outside of Malibu. It was an ugly demise, eviscerated from below.

But, during the 50's and 60's, MoPar built some tanks of cars. They
weren't exactly refined when compared to GM and even some Ford products but
they were tough as hell. The legendary A727 transmission introduced in the
early 60's is still considered to be one of the best automatic transmissions
ever designed and built. They were (are) virtually bullet proof and are
just as happy in a high performance muscle car as they are in a mild
mannered family sedan. The '69 "General Lee" Dodge Charger I had for a
while had a 727 transmission mated to a high output 440 ci engine. Both
the engine and transmission were slightly modified. The engine had high
compression pistons, a mild cam and was electronically tweaked for high
horsepower. The only modification made to the transmission was the
addition of a shift kit. I never really pushed the car to it's potential,
but it had brute power, as long as you were going in a straight line.

It's a bit ironic that the more modern MoPar transmissions used in the
Caravan and in the early Ram trucks didn't share the same robust design and
reputation.

Eisboch

The second transmission is still going strong as is the straight six.
The Jeep replaced the BMW I brought back from S. Cal in '93. First
snow and that BMW made it all of 15 ft on a 2% grade. Parked it and
used it two days later as a down payment.