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American crew retakes ship
D.Duck wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy AP now reporting that two of the *pirates* escaped with the ship's captain. The plot thickens. U.S. flagged vessels with union crews do get some training in repelling boarders. I hope a deal can be made for the captain's life. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
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American crew retakes ship
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy AP now reporting that two of the *pirates* escaped with the ship's captain. The plot thickens. |
American crew retakes ship
"HK" wrote in message m... D.Duck wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy AP now reporting that two of the *pirates* escaped with the ship's captain. The plot thickens. U.S. flagged vessels with union crews do get some training in repelling boarders. I hope a deal can be made for the captain's life. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time I hope the companies rethink their attitude towards an unarmed crew. And I hope the best for the captain. |
American crew retakes ship
"HK" wrote in message m... D.Duck wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy AP now reporting that two of the *pirates* escaped with the ship's captain. The plot thickens. U.S. flagged vessels with union crews do get some training in repelling boarders. I hope a deal can be made for the captain's life. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time I would put a noose around all the pirates that are captured on the ship and line them up along the rail. Inform the ones with the captain that if anything happens to the captain or they leave the area, the ones on the rail will head to the sea. |
American crew retakes ship
"Calif Bill" wrote in message m... "HK" wrote in message m... D.Duck wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy AP now reporting that two of the *pirates* escaped with the ship's captain. The plot thickens. U.S. flagged vessels with union crews do get some training in repelling boarders. I hope a deal can be made for the captain's life. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time I would put a noose around all the pirates that are captured on the ship and line them up along the rail. Inform the ones with the captain that if anything happens to the captain or they leave the area, the ones on the rail will head to the sea. Do you think the captains captors care? (say that fast three times) |
American crew retakes ship
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:12:18 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: I would put a noose around all the pirates that are captured on the ship and line them up along the rail. Inform the ones with the captain that if anything happens to the captain or they leave the area, the ones on the rail will head to the sea. I was watching Glenn Beck a while ago and for once he said something that might have made sense. "Where are the Marines?" Keeping a fast reaction force in that area and just plain kicking ass when an American flagged ship is touched would stop it cold. Take no prisoners. I got a feeling it won't be done because of crew safety and "environmental" considerations. Sticky problem. The Mayaguez and Iran hostage situations are probably studied to make these kinds of decisions. Remember the Q-ships? Merchant ships with hidden guns. Maybe it was all a John Wayne movie. Tripoli was assaulted to stop the pirates before. Might take a land assault to stop it this time. It's weird to think that 204 years after the Barbary pirates, we're back to the same problem. Actually, Somalia is less "civilized" than was Tripoli. There was a leader of Tripoli to make peace with. --Vic The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
American crew retakes ship
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... I was watching Glenn Beck a while ago and for once he said something that might have made sense. "Where are the Marines?" Keeping a fast reaction force in that area and just plain kicking ass when an American flagged ship is touched would stop it cold. Take no prisoners. I got a feeling it won't be done because of crew safety and "environmental" considerations. Sticky problem. The Mayaguez and Iran hostage situations are probably studied to make these kinds of decisions. Remember the Q-ships? Merchant ships with hidden guns. Maybe it was all a John Wayne movie. Tripoli was assaulted to stop the pirates before. Might take a land assault to stop it this time. It's weird to think that 204 years after the Barbary pirates, we're back to the same problem. Actually, Somalia is less "civilized" than was Tripoli. There was a leader of Tripoli to make peace with. --Vic Interestingly, the first military action taken by the United States after we became an independent nation was against the Barbary pirates who were doing exactly the same thing then as the Somali pirates are doing today. They were capturing European ships and demanding ransom payments. They then began attacking US ships. At first Congress appropriated money to be paid as ransom but Thomas Jefferson had some balls and led the effort to confront them. We didn't really have a global Navy at the time, but what we had were sent to the Med and they took care of business. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/collecti.../mtjprece.html Eisboch |
American crew retakes ship
"HK" wrote in message m... The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. The reason this nonsense continues is because ransoms are paid. I know what Ronald Reagan would do. I know what George H.W. Bush would do. I know what George W. Bush would do. Hell, I can even guess what Bill Clinton would do. But, I can't begin to predict what Obama would or will do. After all, it's only money. Thomas Jefferson had the right idea. Eisboch |
American crew retakes ship
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message m... The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. The reason this nonsense continues is because ransoms are paid. I know what Ronald Reagan would do. I know what George H.W. Bush would do. I know what George W. Bush would do. Hell, I can even guess what Bill Clinton would do. But, I can't begin to predict what Obama would or will do. After all, it's only money. Thomas Jefferson had the right idea. Eisboch I think it really stupid to assault a ship commanded by pirates when the crews' lives are at stake. On the other hand, if there are pirates approaching or leaving the ship, and they are not carrying hostages, well, they are fair game. We obviously need to task some satellites to watch the Somali coast and any small boats heading way offshore. We can do that in real time, and dispatch naval aircraft to ward off any small boats that get too close. We can do this at night, too. What would George W. Bush do? Get a few thousand Americans killed. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
American crew retakes ship
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:00:01 -0400, HK wrote: The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. Yep. That's what has to be kept in mind. Very easy to get hotheaded about it. I wanted Carter to give me a rifle and a parachute and drop me into Tehran back then. With others of course. Would have been a bloody mess. The chopper mission might have proved a disaster if they had made it to the embassy. So far the pirates haven't killed anybody. They don't want to mess up a good thing. But there's some question about where the many millions of money extorted are going. Terrorists or Wall Street probably. But I repeat myself. --Vic There's not much difference between the terrorists and Wall Street. They're all pirates. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
American crew retakes ship
"HK" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. The reason this nonsense continues is because ransoms are paid. I know what Ronald Reagan would do. I know what George H.W. Bush would do. I know what George W. Bush would do. Hell, I can even guess what Bill Clinton would do. But, I can't begin to predict what Obama would or will do. After all, it's only money. Thomas Jefferson had the right idea. Eisboch I think it really stupid to assault a ship commanded by pirates when the crews' lives are at stake. On the other hand, if there are pirates approaching or leaving the ship, and they are not carrying hostages, well, they are fair game. We obviously need to task some satellites to watch the Somali coast and any small boats heading way offshore. We can do that in real time, and dispatch naval aircraft to ward off any small boats that get too close. We can do this at night, too. What would George W. Bush do? Get a few thousand Americans killed. I didn't say that. We don't need to put the crew of a captured ship at further risk. But, we can take action against the warlords that organize these attacks. Eisboch |
American crew retakes ship
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:03:42 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Interestingly, the first military action taken by the United States after we became an independent nation was against the Barbary pirates who were doing exactly the same thing then as the Somali pirates are doing today. They were capturing European ships and demanding ransom payments. They then began attacking US ships. At first Congress appropriated money to be paid as ransom but Thomas Jefferson had some balls and led the effort to confront them. We didn't really have a global Navy at the time, but what we had were sent to the Med and they took care of business. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/collecti.../mtjprece.html The Barbary states were pushovers compared with Somalia. No leaders in Somalia. The only answer I see is to make pirating suicidal. One tactic might be to carpet bomb any port where ships are held captive - after the ships are ransomed of course. But it will generate very bad publicity and all kinds of hand wringing. --Vic I dunno, Vic. It seems when we use our brawn instead of our brains on these failed states, we seem to make it easier for terrorists and despots. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
American crew retakes ship
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:12:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote: I would put a noose around all the pirates that are captured on the ship and line them up along the rail. Inform the ones with the captain that if anything happens to the captain or they leave the area, the ones on the rail will head to the sea. I was watching Glenn Beck a while ago and for once he said something that might have made sense. "Where are the Marines?" Keeping a fast reaction force in that area and just plain kicking ass when an American flagged ship is touched would stop it cold. Take no prisoners. I got a feeling it won't be done because of crew safety and "environmental" considerations. Sticky problem. The Mayaguez and Iran hostage situations are probably studied to make these kinds of decisions. Remember the Q-ships? Merchant ships with hidden guns. Maybe it was all a John Wayne movie. Tripoli was assaulted to stop the pirates before. Might take a land assault to stop it this time. It's weird to think that 204 years after the Barbary pirates, we're back to the same problem. Actually, Somalia is less "civilized" than was Tripoli. There was a leader of Tripoli to make peace with. --Vic |
American crew retakes ship
Vic Smith wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:12:18 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: I would put a noose around all the pirates that are captured on the ship and line them up along the rail. Inform the ones with the captain that if anything happens to the captain or they leave the area, the ones on the rail will head to the sea. I was watching Glenn Beck a while ago and for once he said something that might have made sense. "Where are the Marines?" Keeping a fast reaction force in that area and just plain kicking ass when an American flagged ship is touched would stop it cold. The Marines are not trained to handle this type of operation. The Navy SEALs are better trained and equipped to respond to these situations. Marine small units are platoons, 40 men, SEAL small units are 8 to 10 men. The logistics of the SEAL team make them much easier to deploy and manage in the field. Take no prisoners. I agree, turn the pirates into shark food. I got a feeling it won't be done because of crew safety and "environmental" considerations. The sharks would spit out the pirates? Sticky problem. The Mayaguez and Iran hostage situations are probably studied to make these kinds of decision Remember the Q-ships? Merchant ships with hidden guns. Maybe it was all a John Wayne movie. Tripoli was assaulted to stop the pirates before. That took resolve and a back bone to make a decision. Might take a land assault to stop it this time. Tripoli was a land assault. It's weird to think that 204 years after the Barbary pirates, we're back to the same problem. Piracy and terrorism will never go away. Actually, Somalia is less "civilized" than was Tripoli. Somalia is giant leap back to the 7th century. There was a leader of Tripoli to make peace with. There was leader to threaten with death. |
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"HK" wrote The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. True. And to continue to send unarmed men into these situations in these areas is plain stupidity. We have US naval vessels all over the globe doing such things as jellyfish research, listening, and retesting something they tested 2,000 times before. It would be nothing to station vessels on patrol in that area of the world, and to handle these situations as they come up. If a SEAL can't handle a skinny terrorist with an antiquated RPG, he should turn in his flippers. They're going to keep doing this as long as we keep allowing it. Hussein isn't going to do anything about it, so it is up to the company owners. A few more paid ABSs wouldn't add that much cost. They'd be private employees operating no soverign property. |
American crew retakes ship
"Pittman Pirate" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. True. And to continue to send unarmed men into these situations in these areas is plain stupidity. We have US naval vessels all over the globe doing such things as jellyfish research, listening, and retesting something they tested 2,000 times before. It would be nothing to station vessels on patrol in that area of the world, and to handle these situations as they come up. If a SEAL can't handle a skinny terrorist with an antiquated RPG, he should turn in his flippers. Haven't spent that much time in the blue water, huh? Mighty small ships in gigantic oceans. We have ships patrolling the normal shipping lanes, but this event happened about 300 miles from the nearest Naval vessel according to the reports. Furthermore, there were apparently about 150 cargo ships transiting the general area at the time. Which do you protect? Eisboch |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:03:42 -0400, "Eisboch" wrote: Interestingly, the first military action taken by the United States after we became an independent nation was against the Barbary pirates who were doing exactly the same thing then as the Somali pirates are doing today. They were capturing European ships and demanding ransom payments. They then began attacking US ships. At first Congress appropriated money to be paid as ransom but Thomas Jefferson had some balls and led the effort to confront them. We didn't really have a global Navy at the time, but what we had were sent to the Med and they took care of business. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/collecti.../mtjprece.html The Barbary states were pushovers compared with Somalia. No leaders in Somalia. The only answer I see is to make pirating suicidal. One tactic might be to carpet bomb any port where ships are held captive - after the ships are ransomed of course. But it will generate very bad publicity and all kinds of hand wringing. --Vic I dunno, Vic. It seems when we use our brawn instead of our brains on these failed states, we seem to make it easier for terrorists and despots. So what is the solution? Call a meeting and ask them politely to please stop doing this? Or, we do what was done back in the Barbary days and negotiate an annual payment to the pirates to ensure safe passage of our ships? That's what most of Europe was doing in those days. Eisboch |
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On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:00:01 -0400, HK wrote:
The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. Yep. That's what has to be kept in mind. Very easy to get hotheaded about it. I wanted Carter to give me a rifle and a parachute and drop me into Tehran back then. With others of course. Would have been a bloody mess. The chopper mission might have proved a disaster if they had made it to the embassy. So far the pirates haven't killed anybody. They don't want to mess up a good thing. But there's some question about where the many millions of money extorted are going. Terrorists or Wall Street probably. But I repeat myself. --Vic |
American crew retakes ship
On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:03:42 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote: Interestingly, the first military action taken by the United States after we became an independent nation was against the Barbary pirates who were doing exactly the same thing then as the Somali pirates are doing today. They were capturing European ships and demanding ransom payments. They then began attacking US ships. At first Congress appropriated money to be paid as ransom but Thomas Jefferson had some balls and led the effort to confront them. We didn't really have a global Navy at the time, but what we had were sent to the Med and they took care of business. http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/collecti.../mtjprece.html The Barbary states were pushovers compared with Somalia. No leaders in Somalia. The only answer I see is to make pirating suicidal. One tactic might be to carpet bomb any port where ships are held captive - after the ships are ransomed of course. But it will generate very bad publicity and all kinds of hand wringing. --Vic |
American crew retakes ship
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. The reason this nonsense continues is because ransoms are paid. I know what Ronald Reagan would do. I know what George H.W. Bush would do. I know what George W. Bush would do. Hell, I can even guess what Bill Clinton would do. But, I can't begin to predict what Obama would or will do. After all, it's only money. Thomas Jefferson had the right idea. Eisboch I think it really stupid to assault a ship commanded by pirates when the crews' lives are at stake. On the other hand, if there are pirates approaching or leaving the ship, and they are not carrying hostages, well, they are fair game. We obviously need to task some satellites to watch the Somali coast and any small boats heading way offshore. We can do that in real time, and dispatch naval aircraft to ward off any small boats that get too close. We can do this at night, too. What would George W. Bush do? Get a few thousand Americans killed. I didn't say that. We don't need to put the crew of a captured ship at further risk. But, we can take action against the warlords that organize these attacks. Eisboch I'm confident our leader will handle this situation properly. The captain did a brave thing. We need to pray for him. |
American crew retakes ship
"D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... "HK" wrote in message m... D.Duck wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy AP now reporting that two of the *pirates* escaped with the ship's captain. The plot thickens. U.S. flagged vessels with union crews do get some training in repelling boarders. I hope a deal can be made for the captain's life. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time I would put a noose around all the pirates that are captured on the ship and line them up along the rail. Inform the ones with the captain that if anything happens to the captain or they leave the area, the ones on the rail will head to the sea. Do you think the captains captors care? (say that fast three times) Actually yes. They have to explain to the other people in the "village" why they let the others hang. Same village, so they care. |
American crew retakes ship
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ... "D.Duck" wrote in message ... "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... "HK" wrote in message m... D.Duck wrote: "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy AP now reporting that two of the *pirates* escaped with the ship's captain. The plot thickens. U.S. flagged vessels with union crews do get some training in repelling boarders. I hope a deal can be made for the captain's life. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time I would put a noose around all the pirates that are captured on the ship and line them up along the rail. Inform the ones with the captain that if anything happens to the captain or they leave the area, the ones on the rail will head to the sea. Do you think the captains captors care? (say that fast three times) Actually yes. They have to explain to the other people in the "village" why they let the others hang. Same village, so they care. Bill, I have a bridge for sale ................. |
American crew retakes ship
"Jim22208" wrote I'm confident our leader will handle this situation properly. The captain did a brave thing. We need to pray for him. I am very interested in what "Fearless Leader" is going to do. Why does "Rocky and Bullwinkle" come to mind? |
American crew retakes ship
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Pittman Pirate" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. True. And to continue to send unarmed men into these situations in these areas is plain stupidity. We have US naval vessels all over the globe doing such things as jellyfish research, listening, and retesting something they tested 2,000 times before. It would be nothing to station vessels on patrol in that area of the world, and to handle these situations as they come up. If a SEAL can't handle a skinny terrorist with an antiquated RPG, he should turn in his flippers. Haven't spent that much time in the blue water, huh? Mighty small ships in gigantic oceans. We have ships patrolling the normal shipping lanes, but this event happened about 300 miles from the nearest Naval vessel according to the reports. Furthermore, there were apparently about 150 cargo ships transiting the general area at the time. Which do you protect? Eisboch Actually, spent eight years there, holding Leading AB status. Other certifications and positions, but I digress. I do know that it is Pollyannish to think that we can patrol every ship and every waterway. Imagine sugar ants on the Superdome parking lot, and multiply the asphalt by 100,000.. During WW2, we had convoys, and the U boats still sank ships. I was talking about situations where ships are seized, and action taken after that. Maybe the knowledge would trickle down that if you attack a US vessel, there will be a no nonsense response. A captain who drops anchor (if in shallow water) or some other way disables his ship isn't going to have to worry about some illiterate villager getting it under way. So they sit there in a Mexican standoff. Steve |
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On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:31:45 -0400, HK wrote:
I dunno, Vic. It seems when we use our brawn instead of our brains on these failed states, we seem to make it easier for terrorists and despots. A "failed state" is one that can freely harbor terrorists, pirates, etc. Sometimes nothing works to instill order but brawn. Using brains would mean getting the locals to use the brawn. If you can, fine. But you'll still get blamed for the violence. --Vic |
American crew retakes ship
"Pittman Pirate" wrote in message ... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Pittman Pirate" wrote in message ... "HK" wrote The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. True. And to continue to send unarmed men into these situations in these areas is plain stupidity. We have US naval vessels all over the globe doing such things as jellyfish research, listening, and retesting something they tested 2,000 times before. It would be nothing to station vessels on patrol in that area of the world, and to handle these situations as they come up. If a SEAL can't handle a skinny terrorist with an antiquated RPG, he should turn in his flippers. Haven't spent that much time in the blue water, huh? Mighty small ships in gigantic oceans. We have ships patrolling the normal shipping lanes, but this event happened about 300 miles from the nearest Naval vessel according to the reports. Furthermore, there were apparently about 150 cargo ships transiting the general area at the time. Which do you protect? Eisboch Actually, spent eight years there, holding Leading AB status. Other certifications and positions, but I digress. I do know that it is Pollyannish to think that we can patrol every ship and every waterway. Imagine sugar ants on the Superdome parking lot, and multiply the asphalt by 100,000.. During WW2, we had convoys, and the U boats still sank ships. I was talking about situations where ships are seized, and action taken after that. Maybe the knowledge would trickle down that if you attack a US vessel, there will be a no nonsense response. A captain who drops anchor (if in shallow water) or some other way disables his ship isn't going to have to worry about some illiterate villager getting it under way. So they sit there in a Mexican standoff. Steve I certainly go along with that. Another option maybe is to have open village meetings and Obama can go over and give his "Hope and Change" motivational speech and then answer questions. Heck, it worked on millions here. Eisboch |
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Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to
defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad 50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates. "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy |
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On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:00:14 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:31:45 -0400, HK wrote: I dunno, Vic. It seems when we use our brawn instead of our brains on these failed states, we seem to make it easier for terrorists and despots. A "failed state" is one that can freely harbor terrorists, pirates, etc. Sometimes nothing works to instill order but brawn. Using brains would mean getting the locals to use the brawn. If you can, fine. But you'll still get blamed for the violence. --Vic Maybe we could offer them jobs - if we had any. |
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wrote in message m... Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad 50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates. "Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy I have searched around and haven't found a specific reference yet, but I think there may be an international maritime law regarding the arming of merchant vessels. Sidearms are ok, I think, but not a major weapons system. I've found general references, but not anything that clearly addresses the subject. Eisboch |
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Pittman Pirate wrote:
"Jim22208" wrote I'm confident our leader will handle this situation properly. The captain did a brave thing. We need to pray for him. I am very interested in what "Fearless Leader" is going to do. Why does "Rocky and Bullwinkle" come to mind? He needs a good man like Krause by his side to help guide him through these troubled times. My guess is that he throws money at the situation and hopes it goes away. Seriously though, I hope some of our elite fighting forces,the NAVY Seals, are working as we speak, to free the captain and make those pirates disappear forever. |
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On Apr 8, 6:00*pm, HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:12:18 -0700, "Calif Bill" wrote: I would put a noose around all the pirates that are captured on the ship and line them up along the rail. *Inform the ones with the captain that if anything happens to the captain or they leave the area, the ones on the rail will head to the sea. I was watching Glenn Beck a while ago and for once he said something that might have made sense. "Where are the Marines?" Keeping a fast reaction force in that area and just plain kicking ass when an American flagged ship is touched would stop it cold. Take no prisoners. I got a feeling it won't be done because of crew safety and "environmental" considerations. Sticky problem. *The Mayaguez and Iran hostage situations are probably studied to make these kinds of decisions. Remember the Q-ships? *Merchant ships with hidden guns. Maybe it was all a John Wayne movie. Tripoli was assaulted to stop the pirates before. Might take a land assault to stop it this time. It's weird to think that 204 years after the Barbary pirates, we're back to the same problem. Actually, Somalia is less "civilized" than was Tripoli. There was a leader of Tripoli to make peace with. --Vic The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What an idiot! With your sentence above, you've quantified not only the ship and it's contents, but you've quantified the worth of the crew. So, do tell, what is that dollar amount? It's funny that you think the crew of that ship has such great value, but right here in this forum, you've wished death, misery, and ill fortune on countless people. |
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On Apr 9, 12:23*am, wrote:
Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad 50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Agreed. At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help |
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wrote The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. If the shipping companies value these men so much, why to they send them unarmed into hostile waters? If they are so valued, why doesn't the US send a team of SEALS in there and clean house? A few 50BMGs on a boat should keep some skinny villagers away from a huge vessel with just some warning snots. If you read closely the descriptions of these crews, they are multinational and one wonders how they all even communicate. They are probably the futigives and derelicts of various nations. The main crew are skilled people. The rest are just oilers and deckhands. |
American crew retakes ship
"Pittman Pirate" wrote in message ... wrote The ship, its contents, and ransom money are just property, a commodity much less valuable than the lives of the ship crews. If the shipping companies value these men so much, why to they send them unarmed into hostile waters? If they are so valued, why doesn't the US send a team of SEALS in there and clean house? A few 50BMGs on a boat should keep some skinny villagers away from a huge vessel with just some warning snots. If you read closely the descriptions of these crews, they are multinational and one wonders how they all even communicate. They are probably the futigives and derelicts of various nations. The main crew are skilled people. The rest are just oilers and deckhands. Another elitest. I had to laugh that the pirates in the home port were saying they are sending out some armed boats to help the contained pirates. Yup, lots of brain power. Go out with small arms weapons and not hostages against ships that are armed to the teeth with really badass weapons. |
American crew retakes ship (update... sort of)
The "Now" Somalian gov'twants the international community to help support the Somalian CoastGguard???? Now it sounds like they want the wolves to be hand fed too! .... http://www.voanews.com/english/Afric...04-10-voa3.cfm |
American crew retakes ship (update... sort of)
Tim wrote:
The "Now" Somalian gov'twants the international community to help support the Somalian CoastGguard???? Now it sounds like they want the wolves to be hand fed too! .... http://www.voanews.com/english/Afric...04-10-voa3.cfm I smell a rat. The pirates have collected a rather large Booty. Has the Somali Govt. asked for their share of the plunder? The US Navy is on scene ready to help the Somali Govt. rid their country of the pirates. All we need from them is intel. and, as a diplomatic courtesy, permission to do what's needed. I am glad Mr. Obama has been kept informed of developments. How embarrassing it would be if a US flagged ship was attacked and our leader wasn't made privy to the measures being taken by our government. |
American crew retakes ship
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:20:19 -0700, "Pittman Pirate"
wrote: If you read closely the descriptions of these crews, they are multinational and one wonders how they all even communicate. They are probably the futigives and derelicts of various nations. The main crew are skilled people. The rest are just oilers and deckhands. The biggested freighter ever made has a crew of thirteen. The Emma Maersk. The standard language of shipping is English. Oilers and deckhands get scarce when the ship has a crew of fewer than 20. Modern ships are so highly automated that there is nobody on deck or in the engine room at night. This is not a new trend. A century ago they built huge schooners in order to get by with smaller crews than necessary for a square rigged ship. The seven masted schooner Thomas Lawson had a crew of 18 plus a steam winch. Casady |
American crew retakes ship
Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:20:19 -0700, "Pittman Pirate" wrote: If you read closely the descriptions of these crews, they are multinational and one wonders how they all even communicate. They are probably the futigives and derelicts of various nations. The main crew are skilled people. The rest are just oilers and deckhands. The biggested freighter ever made has a crew of thirteen. The Emma Maersk. The standard language of shipping is English. Oilers and deckhands get scarce when the ship has a crew of fewer than 20. Modern ships are so highly automated that there is nobody on deck or in the engine room at night. This is not a new trend. A century ago they built huge schooners in order to get by with smaller crews than necessary for a square rigged ship. The seven masted schooner Thomas Lawson had a crew of 18 plus a steam winch. Casady A steam wench, eh? I guess she never got tired. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
American crew retakes ship
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