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On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Apr 9, 12:23*am, wrote: Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad 50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Agreed. At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help Arm that 13 man crew. The ones who have a half mile of railings to watch for ladders and grappling irons.[Emma Maersk] It is true that there are many smaller ships, with bigger crews. It cost about 2 to 3 million bucks for a stabilized 20mm mount. That leaves spray and pray, and the Gatling doesn't need to be bigger than 5,56mm. No armor on those outboard motors. Shoot if you see guns and ladders. Casady |
American crew retakes ship
"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:20:19 -0700, "Pittman Pirate" wrote: If you read closely the descriptions of these crews, they are multinational and one wonders how they all even communicate. They are probably the futigives and derelicts of various nations. The main crew are skilled people. The rest are just oilers and deckhands. The biggested freighter ever made has a crew of thirteen. The Emma Maersk. The standard language of shipping is English. Oilers and deckhands get scarce when the ship has a crew of fewer than 20. Modern ships are so highly automated that there is nobody on deck or in the engine room at night. This is not a new trend. A century ago they built huge schooners in order to get by with smaller crews than necessary for a square rigged ship. The seven masted schooner Thomas Lawson had a crew of 18 plus a steam winch. Casady Still, news clips like" the crew consisted of Ukraines, Canadians, Kenyans, Philipinos, Danes, One guy from Southie, and one guy from South LA" are not uncommon. |
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On Apr 10, 9:14*am, Richard Casady
wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 05:19:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: What an idiot! With your sentence above, you've quantified not only the ship and it's contents, but you've quantified the worth of the crew. So, do tell, what is that dollar amount? When my stepson was jailed for drunk driving, the fools running the place left him his belt, and once he was in a cell, he immediately hanged himself. His life was worth 80 000 bucks. Casady So Harry, as usual was wrong! The cargo is worth a lot more than that! |
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On Apr 10, 7:39*am, HK wrote:
Richard Casady wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:20:19 -0700, "Pittman Pirate" wrote: If you read closely the descriptions of these crews, they are multinational and one wonders how they all even communicate. *They are probably the futigives and derelicts of various nations. *The main crew are skilled people. *The rest are just oilers and deckhands. The biggested freighter ever made has a crew of thirteen. The Emma Maersk. The standard language of shipping is English. Oilers and deckhands get scarce when the ship has a crew of fewer than 20. Modern ships are so highly automated that there is nobody on deck or in the engine room at night. This is not a new trend. *A century ago they built huge schooners in order to get by with smaller crews than necessary for a square rigged ship. The seven masted schooner Thomas Lawson had a crew of 18 plus a steam winch. Casady A steam wench, eh? I guess she never got tired. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is that one of your "unheavels"? |
American crew retakes ship
"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 05:19:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote: What an idiot! With your sentence above, you've quantified not only the ship and it's contents, but you've quantified the worth of the crew. So, do tell, what is that dollar amount? When my stepson was jailed for drunk driving, the fools running the place left him his belt, and once he was in a cell, he immediately hanged himself. His life was worth 80 000 bucks. Casady I'm sure if you thought he was worth more, you would have sued for more. Next time talk to a lawyer. |
American crew retakes ship (update... sort of)
"Tim" wrote in message ... The "Now" Somalian gov'twants the international community to help support the Somalian CoastGguard???? Now it sounds like they want the wolves to be hand fed too! .... http://www.voanews.com/english/Afric...04-10-voa3.cfm How many Somalian Coast Guard personnel can you get in a phone booth? All of them. |
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Apr 9, 12:23 am, wrote: Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad 50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Agreed. At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help Arm that 13 man crew. The ones who have a half mile of railings to watch for ladders and grappling irons.[Emma Maersk] It is true that there are many smaller ships, with bigger crews. It cost about 2 to 3 million bucks for a stabilized 20mm mount. That leaves spray and pray, and the Gatling doesn't need to be bigger than 5,56mm. No armor on those outboard motors. Shoot if you see guns and ladders. Casady Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it. We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships the pirates operate. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
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On Apr 10, 9:42*am, HK wrote:
Richard Casady wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Apr 9, 12:23 am, wrote: Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad 50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch" wrote in message news:Cb6dnZsqAv2bQEHUnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@giganews. com... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Agreed. At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help Arm that 13 man crew. The ones who have a half mile of railings to watch for ladders and grappling irons.[Emma Maersk] It is true that there are many smaller ships, with bigger crews. It cost about 2 to 3 million bucks for a stabilized 20mm mount. That leaves spray and pray, and the Gatling doesn't need to be bigger than 5,56mm. No armor on those outboard motors. Shoot if you see guns and ladders. Casady Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it. We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships the pirates operate. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - Bring Integerity back to Washington. Pffftt. Hopefully, nobody here is litening to you as your assumption is way off. According to Navy officials it would take 60 ships to handle that area. Do you know how many ships we currently have in our Navy? C'mon Harry, get some facts then come back and talk snerk Here's a hint, think 300... |
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On Apr 10, 10:18*am, jim78565 wrote:
wrote: On Apr 10, 7:39 am, HK wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:20:19 -0700, "Pittman Pirate" wrote: If you read closely the descriptions of these crews, they are multinational and one wonders how they all even communicate. *They are probably the futigives and derelicts of various nations. *The main crew are skilled people. *The rest are just oilers and deckhands. The biggested freighter ever made has a crew of thirteen. The Emma Maersk. The standard language of shipping is English. Oilers and deckhands get scarce when the ship has a crew of fewer than 20. Modern ships are so highly automated that there is nobody on deck or in the engine room at night. This is not a new trend. *A century ago they built huge schooners in order to get by with smaller crews than necessary for a square rigged ship. The seven masted schooner Thomas Lawson had a crew of 18 plus a steam winch. Casady A steam wench, eh? I guess she never got tired. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is that one of your "unheavels"? I read winch, didn't you? Harry's eyesight is obviously failing him. Poor Karen. She's gonna have an awful lot of care giving to do soon, if she doesn't dump him quickly. Imagine having to change Harry's diapers. Yuck!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ewwwwwww............changing that fat gross pig would require full hazmat protection! |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Apr 9, 12:23 am, wrote: Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad 50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Agreed. At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help Arm that 13 man crew. The ones who have a half mile of railings to watch for ladders and grappling irons.[Emma Maersk] It is true that there are many smaller ships, with bigger crews. It cost about 2 to 3 million bucks for a stabilized 20mm mount. That leaves spray and pray, and the Gatling doesn't need to be bigger than 5,56mm. No armor on those outboard motors. Shoot if you see guns and ladders. Casady I read last night that there a two major reasons why merchant ships are not legally armed with much more than side arms. The first is that they often carry cargo like oil or other flammables, the vapors of which can be explosive. The second is that many ports will not allow an armed civilian ship to enter. Eisboch |
American crew retakes ship
"HK" wrote in message ... Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it. We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships the pirates operate. Not enough ships for too big of an ocean. Fast as they may be, they couldn't respond to a boarding 200 miles away in time to prevent it, even at 30-35 kts. Maybe they all need to be retrofitted with a bank of Etecs on their transoms to get there faster. Eisboch Eisboch |
American crew retakes ship
Eisboch wrote:
"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Apr 9, 12:23 am, wrote: Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad 50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Agreed. At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help Arm that 13 man crew. The ones who have a half mile of railings to watch for ladders and grappling irons.[Emma Maersk] It is true that there are many smaller ships, with bigger crews. It cost about 2 to 3 million bucks for a stabilized 20mm mount. That leaves spray and pray, and the Gatling doesn't need to be bigger than 5,56mm. No armor on those outboard motors. Shoot if you see guns and ladders. Casady I read last night that there a two major reasons why merchant ships are not legally armed with much more than side arms. The first is that they often carry cargo like oil or other flammables, the vapors of which can be explosive. The second is that many ports will not allow an armed civilian ship to enter. Eisboch Both of which make sense, and I've read in several places that armed civilian ships are indeed not allowed in many ports. It's the job of governments to keep the sea lanes safe. There are plenty of small offshore patrol boats available in the free world. Our U.S. Navy could be buying some of these from friendly nations if we don't have enough, or we could build a few dozen for a fraction of the cost of another useless and vulnerable aircraft carrier. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
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On Apr 10, 9:42 am, HK wrote: Richard Casady wrote: On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 08:25:08 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Apr 9, 12:23 am, wrote: Simply train and arm the crew with 50 cal. and 20 m.m. automatic weapons to defend themselves. A 20 m.m. Vulcan gatlin gun mounted amidships with quad 50's fore and aft would stop all the nonsense. As a former destroyer shipmate, I assure you the firepower in the aforementioned is sufficient to strike terror in the hearts of any so called Pirates."Eisboch" wrote in message ... Betcha there are a few in Wash DC breathing a sigh of relief. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy-Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Agreed. At least a couple Ma-deuces, and even mini-guns would help Arm that 13 man crew. The ones who have a half mile of railings to watch for ladders and grappling irons.[Emma Maersk] It is true that there are many smaller ships, with bigger crews. It cost about 2 to 3 million bucks for a stabilized 20mm mount. That leaves spray and pray, and the Gatling doesn't need to be bigger than 5,56mm. No armor on those outboard motors. Shoot if you see guns and ladders. Casady Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it. We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships the pirates operate. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - Bring Integerity back to Washington. Pffftt. Hopefully, nobody here is litening to you as your assumption is way off. According to Navy officials it would take 60 ships to handle that area. Do you know how many ships we currently have in our Navy? C'mon Harry, get some facts then come back and talk snerk Here's a hint, think 300... Notice he said "keep track". That's an important part of liberal thinking. Next step after keeping track is "study commission". In a few years you might get some findings which will lead to appropriations to do more studies. Etc. etc. etc. What we need to do is eliminate the threats by any means at our disposal. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it. We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships the pirates operate. Not enough ships for too big of an ocean. Fast as they may be, they couldn't respond to a boarding 200 miles away in time to prevent it, even at 30-35 kts. Maybe they all need to be retrofitted with a bank of Etecs on their transoms to get there faster. Eisboch Eisboch Or eTec launchers, to toss all the dead eTechs at the pirate boats. A U.S. and other nation carrier, stationed strategically, could easily be the mainstay of a force designed to keep the waters clear of pirates. Remember, satellite technology makes it possible to track these pirate craft from the moment they leave port. Lots of small patrol craft are the real answer, all hooked up in a communications network, with fighter jet backup. Do it the right way, and no bitty pirate boats are going to be able to get close to the freighters. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
American crew retakes ship
"HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it. We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships the pirates operate. Not enough ships for too big of an ocean. Fast as they may be, they couldn't respond to a boarding 200 miles away in time to prevent it, even at 30-35 kts. Maybe they all need to be retrofitted with a bank of Etecs on their transoms to get there faster. Eisboch Eisboch Or eTec launchers, to toss all the dead eTechs at the pirate boats. A U.S. and other nation carrier, stationed strategically, could easily be the mainstay of a force designed to keep the waters clear of pirates. Remember, satellite technology makes it possible to track these pirate craft from the moment they leave port. Lots of small patrol craft are the real answer, all hooked up in a communications network, with fighter jet backup. Do it the right way, and no bitty pirate boats are going to be able to get close to the freighters. Catching these guys at sea is like trying to capture a bunch of bees that have left their nest. Better to destroy the nest. The problem with your idea is that as soon as you relax a bit, they will be back. It would require constant, endless surveillance to control it. (it's been going on for many, many years). Better to fix the problem than the symptoms. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it. We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships the pirates operate. Not enough ships for too big of an ocean. Fast as they may be, they couldn't respond to a boarding 200 miles away in time to prevent it, even at 30-35 kts. Maybe they all need to be retrofitted with a bank of Etecs on their transoms to get there faster. Eisboch Eisboch Or eTec launchers, to toss all the dead eTechs at the pirate boats. A U.S. and other nation carrier, stationed strategically, could easily be the mainstay of a force designed to keep the waters clear of pirates. Remember, satellite technology makes it possible to track these pirate craft from the moment they leave port. Lots of small patrol craft are the real answer, all hooked up in a communications network, with fighter jet backup. Do it the right way, and no bitty pirate boats are going to be able to get close to the freighters. Catching these guys at sea is like trying to capture a bunch of bees that have left their nest. Better to destroy the nest. The problem with your idea is that as soon as you relax a bit, they will be back. It would require constant, endless surveillance to control it. (it's been going on for many, many years). Better to fix the problem than the symptoms. Eisboch A. They have several nests. B. Destroying the nests would mean destroying the ports in a starving nation. C. Interdicting the pirates for a considerable period of time would give our Navy something useful to do. D. We supposedly are doing constant, endless surveillance in a number of areas in the world, with huge flotillas. Most of what I envision could be done with one U.S. carrier task force and a carrier or two from another friendly nation, plus lots of small patrol boats and satellite surveilliance. E. Really fixing the problem would require rebuilding Somalia. We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
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On Apr 10, 10:55*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it. We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships the pirates operate. Not enough ships for too big of an ocean. *Fast as they may be, they couldn't respond to a boarding 200 miles away in time to prevent it, even at 30-35 kts. * Maybe they all need to be retrofitted with a bank of Etecs on their transoms to get there faster. Eisboch Eisboch Or eTec launchers, to toss all the dead eTechs at the pirate boats. A U.S. and other nation carrier, stationed strategically, could easily be the mainstay of a force designed to keep the waters clear of pirates. Remember, satellite technology makes it possible to track these pirate craft from the moment they leave port. Lots of small patrol craft are the real answer, all hooked up in a communications network, with fighter jet backup. Do it the right way, and no bitty pirate boats are going to be able to get close to the freighters. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You sure are dumb.. First off you talk about all these other countries as if they are going to put their ships in harms way. As we have seen all around the world is that we and a few other countries are the only ones with the guts to stand up for ourselves, certainly not any of our UN partners.. Second, you say we should buy ships from them, pffffttt, how does that square with all of your other bull**** about more intelligence and less armement? Forget it, I don't need to read your dodge... Another thing you seem to forget is "innocent until proven guilty". What are you going to do, wipe out every small armed ship in the area. The UN would immediately take us to the Haige (sp?) for killing "innocent" fishermen, simply carrying arms to protect themselves from Pirates.. The list goes on, but we know you rarely think these things out, you just spew, what a waste of time you are... |
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On Apr 10, 11:29*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty military forces of other interested countries something useful to do for a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area, helped by satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes, would do it. We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and we can in real time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky boats and ships the pirates operate. Not enough ships for too big of an ocean. *Fast as they may be, they couldn't respond to a boarding 200 miles away in time to prevent it, even at 30-35 kts. * Maybe they all need to be retrofitted with a bank of Etecs on their transoms to get there faster. Eisboch Eisboch Or eTec launchers, to toss all the dead eTechs at the pirate boats. A U.S. and other nation carrier, stationed strategically, could easily be the mainstay of a force designed to keep the waters clear of pirates. Remember, satellite technology makes it possible to track these pirate craft from the moment they leave port. Lots of small patrol craft are the real answer, all hooked up in a communications network, with fighter jet backup. Do it the right way, and no bitty pirate boats are going to be able to get close to the freighters. Catching these guys at sea is like trying to capture a bunch of bees that have left their nest. Better to destroy the nest. The problem with your idea is that as soon as you relax a bit, they will be back. *It would require constant, endless surveillance to control it. *(it's been going on for many, many years). Better to fix the problem than the symptoms. Eisboch A. They have several nests. B. Destroying the nests would mean destroying the ports in a starving nation. C. Interdicting the pirates for a considerable period of time would give our Navy something useful to do. More of your useless babble.. D. We supposedly are doing constant, endless surveillance in a number of areas in the world, with huge flotillas. Most of what I envision could be done with one U.S. carrier task force and a carrier or two from another friendly nation, That's because you really don't have a clue beyond your own trolling agenda... plus lots of small patrol boats and satellite surveilliance. Again, what are we looking for, are we going to attack every small armed ship? What if they are only fishermen trying to protect themselves? E. Really fixing the problem would require rebuilding Somalia. You mean "nation building"? Talk about a double standard... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way.. Wow, one carrier group. Hardly enough area covered to do any good... But of course, facts don't really mean much to you anyway;) -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - Bring integerity back to the Whitehouse - Show quoted text - |
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"HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch |
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On Apr 10, 11:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch It seems far fetched that our friend WAFA didn't understand that. It amazes me how uninformed weather deliberately or not, he is. If you listend to him you would think all it would take would be to unionize the military and all of our problems would be solved snerk |
American crew retakes ship (update... sort of)
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...5391BQ20090410
Well, I give a thumbs up to the Capt. for trying to escape, but unfortunately he was recaptured. |
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On Apr 10, 10:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch Which ones are the pirates? The ones armed to the teeth! |
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On Apr 10, 11:59*am, wrote:
On Apr 10, 11:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch It seems far fetched that our friend WAFA didn't understand that. It amazes me how uninformed weather deliberately or not, he is. If you listend to him you would think all it would take would be to unionize the military and all of our problems would be solved snerk- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Now, you know that Harry is the brightest, best educated person there is, just ask him. You also know that Harry gets briefed by top level CIA intel daily. Ask him! |
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On Apr 10, 12:45*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 10, 10:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch Which ones are the pirates? The ones armed to the teeth!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you call AK47's armed to the teeth, I guess so.. But then that makes everyone in that part of the world pirates.. I would guess that even innocent fisheman carry these dime a dozen weapons... |
American crew retakes ship
On Apr 10, 11:49*am, wrote:
On Apr 10, 12:45*pm, Tim wrote: On Apr 10, 10:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol".. Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch Which ones are the pirates? The ones armed to the teeth!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you call AK47's armed to the teeth, I guess so.. But then that makes everyone in that part of the world pirates.. I would guess that even innocent fisheman carry these dime a dozen weapons...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Scott, when I said "armed tot he teeth" I wasn't talking about tinker- toy pop-gun AK's. I was meaning RPG and various explosive devices. Do fisherman need to be 400 mi. out in the indian ocean in a 20 ft open bow with no fishing gear and carying grenade launchers? I doubt it. |
American crew retakes ship
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch I didn't state we could go it alone. A couple of carriers, a lot of patrol boats, satellites, et cetera. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
American crew retakes ship
Tim wrote:
On Apr 10, 10:55 am, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch Which ones are the pirates? The ones armed to the teeth! The ones 300 miles off the coast in 21' Parkers? -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - All Stupidity All the Time |
American crew retakes ship
"HK" wrote in message m... The ones 300 miles off the coast in 21' Parkers? Oh. No problem then. Wake 'em. Eisboch |
American crew retakes ship
Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message m... The ones 300 miles off the coast in 21' Parkers? Oh. No problem then. Wake 'em. Eisboch Won't do anything but **** em off. Those boats are unsinkable owing to their patented "flow through" transom cutouts. |
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On Apr 10, 2:10*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 10, 11:49*am, wrote: On Apr 10, 12:45*pm, Tim wrote: On Apr 10, 10:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch Which ones are the pirates? The ones armed to the teeth!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you call AK47's armed to the teeth, I guess so.. But then that makes everyone in that part of the world pirates.. I would guess that even innocent fisheman carry these dime a dozen weapons...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Scott, when I said "armed tot he teeth" I wasn't talking about tinker- toy pop-gun AK's. I was meaning RPG and various explosive devices. Do fisherman need to be 400 mi. out in the indian ocean in a 20 ft open bow with no fishing gear and carying grenade launchers? I doubt it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, but bet that if we take out a small vessel armed some 350 miles out, they will claim they were only fishing... My point is, Harry is an idiot if he thinks we can just use surveylance and our navy to take out the pirates... Of course, my other point is Harry is an idiot.. |
American crew retakes ship
On Apr 10, 2:33*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch I didn't state we could go it alone. A couple of carriers, a lot of patrol boats, satellites, et cetera. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - Bring integerity back to Washington.- - Show quoted text - Oh, and who is going to help us, the UN countries?... snerk As usual, yo u don't have a clue what you are babbling about.. |
American crew retakes ship
On Apr 10, 2:34*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Apr 10, 10:55 am, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch Which ones are the pirates? The ones armed to the teeth! The ones 300 miles off the coast in 21' Parkers? -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - Bring integerity back to Washington...- - Show quoted text - If we start taking out small boats 300 miles off shore you will be screaming they were just fishermen... Obama and Biden 08 All lies, all the time.. |
American crew retakes ship
On Apr 10, 3:16*pm, wrote:
On Apr 10, 2:10*pm, Tim wrote: On Apr 10, 11:49*am, wrote: On Apr 10, 12:45*pm, Tim wrote: On Apr 10, 10:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice. Eisboch Which ones are the pirates? The ones armed to the teeth!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you call AK47's armed to the teeth, I guess so.. But then that makes everyone in that part of the world pirates.. I would guess that even innocent fisheman carry these dime a dozen weapons...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Scott, when I said "armed tot he teeth" I wasn't talking about tinker- toy pop-gun AK's. I was meaning RPG and various explosive devices. Do fisherman need to be 400 mi. out in the indian ocean in a 20 ft open bow with no fishing gear and carying grenade launchers? I doubt it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yeah, but bet that if we take out a small vessel armed some 350 miles out, they will claim they were only fishing... My point is, Harry is an idiot if he thinks we can just use surveylance and our navy to take out the pirates... Of course, my other point is Harry is an idiot..- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Besides that, Harry is an idiot. |
American crew retakes ship
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American crew retakes ship
On Apr 10, 3:29*pm, HK wrote:
wrote: On Apr 10, 2:34 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Apr 10, 10:55 am, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way. The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around by themselves. Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol". Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type, name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships, but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates? Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice.. Eisboch Which ones are the pirates? The ones armed to the teeth! The ones 300 miles off the coast in 21' Parkers? -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - Bring integerity back to Washington...- - Show quoted text - If we start taking out small boats 300 miles off shore you will be screaming they were just fishermen... Obama and Biden 08 All lies, all the time.. Uh...if I were interested in the opinions of an uneducated, naive, barely literate idiot, I'd ask you or one of your butt buddies. Too bad you dropped out of High School or you wouldn't be so afraid of us.. -- Palin & Bachmann in 2012 - Bring integerity back to Washington... - Show quoted text - Obama and Biden All lies, all the time.. |
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