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On Mar 31, 6:07*am, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
.. .
FWIW, I wouldn't join the union, and advised new teachers not to do
so. The 'legal protection' which was a big union selling point was
available through home owners insurance as a rider.

The local steward wasn't too happy with me,
--

John H

Neither were the students from what I hear!

It figures that Herring was a freeloading scumbag, sucking down benefits
others worked for, but unwilling to pay his share of the costs.

--
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You call working for a living "sucking down benefits"???? As I
understand it, you claim to be a member of two skilled trade unions.
You've never worked in those "skilled trades". So, what are you doing
in those unions?

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"BAR" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:02:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:04:12 -0400, wrote:

Dump Buick, Olds, Pontiac, Gmc. Keep Chevy and Cadillac. That
overstuffed Corp needs to get lean, mean, and green in order to
survive.
( An admittedly oversimplistic approach)
Buick has been the best of the bunch for quality, something that Detroit
could use a little more of.

It's my understanding that Buick will be kept. It is considered one of
GM's "core" brands, along with Chevrolet, Cadillac, and GMC. Pontiac
will be shrunk to a niche brand, and Saturn, Hummer, and Saab will be
gone.

GMC = Trucks
Chevy = Low end vehicles
Buick = Mid-level vehicles
Cadilac = High end vehicles.

Everything else should be thrown in the crapper.

Wow! If only they had come to you first for advice...a lot of grief could
have been avoided.

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Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
thunder wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:02:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:04:12 -0400, wrote:

Dump Buick, Olds, Pontiac, Gmc. Keep Chevy and Cadillac. That
overstuffed Corp needs to get lean, mean, and green in order to
survive.
( An admittedly oversimplistic approach)
Buick has been the best of the bunch for quality, something that Detroit
could use a little more of.
It's my understanding that Buick will be kept. It is considered one of
GM's "core" brands, along with Chevrolet, Cadillac, and GMC. Pontiac
will be shrunk to a niche brand, and Saturn, Hummer, and Saab will be
gone.
GMC = Trucks
Chevy = Low end vehicles
Buick = Mid-level vehicles
Cadilac = High end vehicles.

Everything else should be thrown in the crapper.

Wow! If only they had come to you first for advice...a lot of grief could
have been avoided.



Indeed...the Big Three should have flocked to BAR for his economic and
marketing expertise, and his ability to guard the outhouses when he was
stationed stateside in the marines.




--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
All Stupidity All the Time

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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:39:36 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:04:12 -0400, wrote:

Dump Buick, Olds, Pontiac, Gmc. Keep Chevy and Cadillac. That overstuffed
Corp needs to get lean, mean, and green in order to survive. ( An
admittedly
oversimplistic approach)

Buick has been the best of the bunch for quality, something that
Detroit could use a little more of.

Made on the same lines as chevy, same garbage, different label.

GM - Government Motors where why know how to waste your tax dollars!


Actually, Buick won a 'Top Ten' nomination from Consumer Reports here
a while back. Only American car to do so in years. Something made it
test a little better than the rest of the GM stuff.
--

John H

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government
results from too much government."

Thomas Jefferson

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On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:36:53 -0400, BAR wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 23:02:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:04:12 -0400, wrote:

Dump Buick, Olds, Pontiac, Gmc. Keep Chevy and Cadillac. That
overstuffed Corp needs to get lean, mean, and green in order to survive.
( An admittedly oversimplistic approach)
Buick has been the best of the bunch for quality, something that Detroit
could use a little more of.

It's my understanding that Buick will be kept. It is considered one of
GM's "core" brands, along with Chevrolet, Cadillac, and GMC. Pontiac
will be shrunk to a niche brand, and Saturn, Hummer, and Saab will be
gone.

GMC = Trucks
Chevy = Low end vehicles
Buick = Mid-level vehicles
Cadilac = High end vehicles.

Everything else should be thrown in the crapper.

Agreed.
--

John H

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government
results from too much government."

Thomas Jefferson

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On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:28:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:45:49 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:


We need a revolution. Say get rid of the senate, in this day and age
let the people vote directly. It is much harder to corrupt 330M normal
people than to corrupt just a few hundred senators and congress people.
It isn't like a mule has to go from California to DC in 4 weeks like 250
years ago.

We need democracy to go right to the people, none of this corruption for
3 years and repent just before an election crap.

Yeah, mob rule, that's the ticket. Our forefathers founded a Republic,
and IMO correctly so. There's an easier way to rid ourselves of
corruption, vote the bums out. I'd also suggest campaign finance
reform. If we eliminate the incestuous relationship between campaign
finance and corporate welfare, we can demand that our politicians do our
work, not spend their time looking for $$ to get them reelected.

Note the sig line.

--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

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On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:14:25 -0400, John H wrote:

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:28:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:45:49 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:


We need a revolution. Say get rid of the senate, in this day and age
let the people vote directly. It is much harder to corrupt 330M normal
people than to corrupt just a few hundred senators and congress people.
It isn't like a mule has to go from California to DC in 4 weeks like 250
years ago.

We need democracy to go right to the people, none of this corruption for
3 years and repent just before an election crap.

Yeah, mob rule, that's the ticket. Our forefathers founded a Republic,
and IMO correctly so. There's an easier way to rid ourselves of
corruption, vote the bums out. I'd also suggest campaign finance
reform. If we eliminate the incestuous relationship between campaign
finance and corporate welfare, we can demand that our politicians do our
work, not spend their time looking for $$ to get them reelected.

Note the sig line.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

It's been noted before. I just didn't have the heart to bring it to light in
"your" case. "W." has done his best and nearly brought it to fruition.

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RLM wrote:
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:14:25 -0400, John H wrote:

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:28:26 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:45:49 -0600, Canuck57 wrote:


We need a revolution. Say get rid of the senate, in this day and age
let the people vote directly. It is much harder to corrupt 330M normal
people than to corrupt just a few hundred senators and congress people.
It isn't like a mule has to go from California to DC in 4 weeks like 250
years ago.

We need democracy to go right to the people, none of this corruption for
3 years and repent just before an election crap.
Yeah, mob rule, that's the ticket. Our forefathers founded a Republic,
and IMO correctly so. There's an easier way to rid ourselves of
corruption, vote the bums out. I'd also suggest campaign finance
reform. If we eliminate the incestuous relationship between campaign
finance and corporate welfare, we can demand that our politicians do our
work, not spend their time looking for $$ to get them reelected.
Note the sig line.

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

It's been noted before. I just didn't have the heart to bring it to light in
"your" case. "W." has done his best and nearly brought it to fruition.



What the financial services corporations did to the workers exactly pays
off that aphorism...they took money away from the workers who were
saving for their retirement, and gave it to themselves.



--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
All Stupidity All the Time

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On Mar 30, 4:01*pm, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:25:12 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:52:43 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

In fact, companies shouldn't be in the business of being health care
administrators, period.
At one time health care was a fringe benefit offered by employers to
attract and retain good people. * What happened to that concept?
One word...unions.
--

John H

What a ninny.
If only 8 percent of American workers belong to unions, how come they have
such a great influence?

You have to understand that Herring hid from reality most of his adult
life by staying in the army, and that his opinions were formed in a
simple society in which one always knew one's place. As a substitute
teacher, he may have been a member of a teacher's union, but assuredly
he wasn't an active member, and probably only paid minimal dues so he
could suck down the fringe benefits the union negotiated for all teachers..

In other words, Herring was a bloodsucker. He still is. He's living off
the taxpayers now, and so is his wife.

Herr Krause. Reviewing your statement, anyone who draws your nations
Social Security are also *bloodsuckers.* And unless great reform
happens, so will the majority of auto workers...retired pensioners or
not.