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Eisboch wrote:

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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I
can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using
them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal
because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with
the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire
itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells
readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** ****************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare
of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense
to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason for
catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading, overheating,
under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you are saying
above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you see a
blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on and
on......

==================================

I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a problem.

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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:





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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I
can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using
them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.
-----------------------------------
I'd say you were lucky.
Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal
because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.
The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with
the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire
itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.
Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.
Eisboch
Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells
readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.
I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.
************************************************** ****************************
mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare
of
others?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense
to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason for
catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading, overheating,
under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you are saying
above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you see a
blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on and
on......

==================================

I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a problem.





You will soon tire of this *badinage* with Loogy, Ducky. But he won't. :)

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a problem.




To me, tires are the most important part of a car. Anyone who has
experienced a blow out at highway speeds understands why. Tires are now
date coded and it is recommended that they be replaced no more than 6 years
from the date of manufacture, regardless of how much tread wear is left.

Tooling down the road at highway speeds knowing that you have a fault or
damage (plugged or not) to a side wall is like taking off for a cruise 30
miles offshore in your boat knowing that you have a serious leak somewhere
in the hull or have an engine that has been acting up. Just doesn't make
sense to me.

Eisboch

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On Mar 26, 10:45 am, "D.Duck" wrote:





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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:

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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I
can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using
them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal
because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with
the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire
itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells
readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** *****************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare
of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense
to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason for
catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading, overheating,
under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you are saying
above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you see a
blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on and
on......

==================================

I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. *The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a problem..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And what do you do about tire seperation? That is the single most
reason for catastrophic tire failure.
Do you make sure that you don't drive on a surface that may have a
pothole, a failed bridge expansion joint, etc.? These are culprits,
too!

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On Mar 26, 1:08 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 26, 10:45 am, "D.Duck" wrote:





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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:

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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I
can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using
them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire
tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal
because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with
the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire
itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength
of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end
over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells
readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on
his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** *****************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in
that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health &
welfare
of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense
to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide
quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason for
catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading, overheating,
under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you are saying
above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you see a
blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on and
on......

==================================

I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a
problem.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And what do you do about tire seperation? That is the single most
reason for catastrophic tire failure.
Do you make sure that you don't drive on a surface that may have a
pothole, a failed bridge expansion joint, etc.? These are culprits,
too!

==================================

You win.....

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On Mar 26, 1:08 pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 26, 10:45 am, "D.Duck" wrote:





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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:
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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I
can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using
them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire
tread
wore out.
-----------------------------------
I'd say you were lucky.
Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal
because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.
The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with
the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire
itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength
of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end
over
end.
Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.
Eisboch
Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells
readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.
I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on
his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.
************************************************** *****************************
mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in
that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health &
welfare
of
others?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------
The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense
to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide
quoted
text -
- Show quoted text -
No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason for
catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading, overheating,
under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you are saying
above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you see a
blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on and
on......

==================================

I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a
problem.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And what do you do about tire seperation? That is the single most
reason for catastrophic tire failure.
Do you make sure that you don't drive on a surface that may have a
pothole, a failed bridge expansion joint, etc.? These are culprits,
too!

==================================

You win.....




snerk

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On Mar 26, 1:08*pm, "D.Duck" wrote:
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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:

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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:

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ups
.com...

I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials)
since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not
using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep
tire, plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed,
the tire tr
ead
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal
because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that
is noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated
with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the
tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall
strength
of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and
catastrophic blowout and immediate deflation. Not something
you want to happen tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends
to send vehicles end ov
er
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire
with sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair
tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it
on
his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair
shop,
I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire
PERIOD if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is
a temporar
y
fix.

************************************************** ****************
***
**********

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving
in t
hat
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after
losin
g
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health &
welfa
re
of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a
brand new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit
something like a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about
earlier. Tread seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire
failure), and on and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with
mass produced tires, the exact same questions could be asked of
YOU. -------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make
sens
e
to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?- Hide
quo
ted
text -

- Show quoted text -

No more than you'd want to exacerbate the problem of the #1 reason
for catastrophic failure, tread seperation, by overloading,
overheating, under/over inflation, etc. If you subscribe to what you
are saying above, then you'd sure buy a lot of tires. Every time you
see a blemish, a piece of tread torn a little from a pebble, and on
and on......

========================
=========
I don't overload and I watch the tire inflation. *The rest of your
*reasoning* doesn't make sense.
I do not intentionally do something to the tires that can cause a
problem
.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

And what do you do about tire seperation? That is the single most
reason for catastrophic tire failure.
Do you make sure that you don't drive on a surface that may have a
pothole, a failed bridge expansion joint, etc.? These are culprits,
too!

Did it ever occur to you that the reason sidewall patches are not a major
cause of blowouts, is because nobody but you does them?

"akheel" wrote in message
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Did it ever occur to you that the reason sidewall patches are not a major
cause of blowouts, is because nobody but you does them?

Not to beat a dead horse about this subject but an accident that occurs due
to a blowout of a "repaired" tire with sidewall damage may void your
insurance coverage for vehicle damage and injury to yourself or others.

Eisboch

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:59:24 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"akheel" wrote in message
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Did it ever occur to you that the reason sidewall patches are not a major
cause of blowouts, is because nobody but you does them?

Not to beat a dead horse about this subject but an accident that occurs due
to a blowout of a "repaired" tire with sidewall damage may void your
insurance coverage for vehicle damage and injury to yourself or others.

Eisboch

Might expose you to criminal liability as well.

wrote:
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 05:59:24 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"akheel" wrote in message
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Did it ever occur to you that the reason sidewall patches are not a major
cause of blowouts, is because nobody but you does them?
Not to beat a dead horse about this subject but an accident that occurs due
to a blowout of a "repaired" tire with sidewall damage may void your
insurance coverage for vehicle damage and injury to yourself or others.

Eisboch

Might expose you to criminal liability as well.



Loogy is into stupidity, not safety. He thinks winning a Darwin Award is
a good thing.