wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.
It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.



Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.



???

What does that have to do with what I said?



No water in the bilge for the bilge pumps to pump out. I've got two
bilge pumps in my Parker, and they never get any exercise unless while
the boat is on the trailer and the bow is up in the air, I pour a couple
of buckets of water into the bilge. I use a lot of water to wash out the
boat after each use, and the bilge is always bone dry afterwards. I
know, because I keep an eye on the drain plug opening.

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:18:11 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.
It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.


Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.


???

What does that have to do with what I said?


No water in the bilge for the bilge pumps to pump out. I've got two
bilge pumps in my Parker, and they never get any exercise unless while
the boat is on the trailer and the bow is up in the air, I pour a couple
of buckets of water into the bilge. I use a lot of water to wash out the
boat after each use, and the bilge is always bone dry afterwards. I
know, because I keep an eye on the drain plug opening.

You are still completely disconnected from the subject.


Sorry. I guess I'm too oblique here.

On Mar 6, 11:06*am, HK wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:18:11 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. * *There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. * All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.
It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.

Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.

???

What does that have to do with what I said?

No water in the bilge for the bilge pumps to pump out. I've got two
bilge pumps in my Parker, and they never get any exercise unless while
the boat is on the trailer and the bow is up in the air, I pour a couple
of buckets of water into the bilge. I use a lot of water to wash out the
boat after each use, and the bilge is always bone dry afterwards. I
know, because I keep an eye on the drain plug opening.

You are still completely disconnected from the subject.

Sorry. I guess I'm too oblique here.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You're hideously obese, too.

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.

It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.




Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.

So far the only person who has said he carries a life raft is Wayne.
Expected given the size of his boat.
Gfretwell doesn't go offshore - I think.
But though it appears to be a good idea carrying one if you go
offshore, I expect hardly any small boaters will equip them.
What sold me the most on it being a good idea is that it would have
saved the football guys from what killed them - hypothermia.
And in not really cold water.
Guess it just depends on your outlook about boating safety.

--Vic



Depends where you boat. Here in the San Francisco area, most small boaters
that go offshore, go maybe 8 miles at most for 98% of the fishing, and there
is always a fleet when the fishing is on. The only boats that go 30 miles
offshore for tuna without a group running are 30+' foot boats and they
normally have EPIRB. so if someone gets in trouble, there are other boats
about. But as an aquaintance found out when flipping his BW 13. ****
happens. Luckily the 3 climbed on the bottom and were found by a commercial
crab boat at dusk. They did not have a ditch bag and the handheld VHF went
to the bottom. We have cold water here. 48-55 year round. So survival is
a couple hours at most in the water. I have the birthday present list one
of the floating ditch bags from West Marine. They velcro to the boat, and
should be easy to get if the boat swamps. Part of the liferaft requirement
is where you boat and how many other boats you run with.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.

It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.




Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.

So far the only person who has said he carries a life raft is Wayne.
Expected given the size of his boat.
Gfretwell doesn't go offshore - I think.
But though it appears to be a good idea carrying one if you go
offshore, I expect hardly any small boaters will equip them.
What sold me the most on it being a good idea is that it would have
saved the football guys from what killed them - hypothermia.
And in not really cold water.
Guess it just depends on your outlook about boating safety.

--Vic



Depends where you boat. Here in the San Francisco area, most small
boaters that go offshore, go maybe 8 miles at most for 98% of the fishing,
and there is always a fleet when the fishing is on. The only boats that
go 30 miles offshore for tuna without a group running are 30+' foot boats
and they normally have EPIRB. so if someone gets in trouble, there are
other boats about. But as an aquaintance found out when flipping his BW
13. **** happens. Luckily the 3 climbed on the bottom and were found by
a commercial crab boat at dusk. They did not have a ditch bag and the
handheld VHF went to the bottom. We have cold water here. 48-55 year
round. So survival is a couple hours at most in the water. I have the
birthday present list one of the floating ditch bags from West Marine.
They velcro to the boat, and should be easy to get if the boat swamps.
Part of the liferaft requirement is where you boat and how many other
boats you run with.

I have my handheld VHF + GPS + signal whistle attached to my PFD.......
the PFD is attached to me.
If anyone is within a 4 - 5 mile range I should be ok. (assuming they have a
VHF turned on to channel 16 or even 12)

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:06:19 -0500, HK wrote:

No water in the bilge for the bilge pumps to pump out. I've got two
bilge pumps in my Parker, and they never get any exercise unless while
the boat is on the trailer and the bow is up in the air, I pour a couple
of buckets of water into the bilge. I use a lot of water to wash out the
boat after each use, and the bilge is always bone dry afterwards. I
know, because I keep an eye on the drain plug opening.
You are still completely disconnected from the subject.

Sorry. I guess I'm too oblique here.



I hesitate to get in a fight but I believe they are asking what you do
when the keel of your dry bilge is in the sunlight.


Sit on the part of the boat that is in the sunlight and hope for a
rescue. What would you do?

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:38:54 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:53:41 -0500, HK wrote:

Sit on the part of the boat that is in the sunlight and hope for a
rescue. What would you do?
An upside down pontoon boat is still a pontoon boat with the deck
about a foot underwater. I would take my ditch boxes and tie them
between the pontoons to sit on and wait for rescue. If it is not
particularly cold I am good until my water runs out and I usually
carry around a case of half liter bottles.
It is mostly to save foolish kayakers who forget how fast that little
bottle they brought will go away in the Florida sun.

I'm going to remember the water part. Though I've never run out of
drink, I've never been stranded either.
Hey, part of your accessories should be a "transom bar" that could be
attached to readied fittings foward on the pontoons.
A waterproofed kicker as part of your "ditch kit" could be clamped on
it and you just slowly motor back home after a capsize.
Upside down and backwards!
That's pontoon versatility.

--Vic

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.
It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.



Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.



???

What does that have to do with what I said?


Nothing. What you post is insignificant at best.

Don White wrote:

I have my handheld VHF + GPS + signal whistle attached to my PFD.......
the PFD is attached to me.
If anyone is within a 4 - 5 mile range I should be ok. (assuming they have a
VHF turned on to channel 16 or even 12)



Amazing stuff. Got a good whistle on board that vessel, dummy?

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:23:52 -0500, D K
wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:12:56 -0500, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:24:08 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:01:01 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

The Everglades boat looked a bit top-heavy anyway, and rafts look to
be about 60-100 lbs, depending.
It is ironic that very few boats under 35 ft carry life rafts but they
are the ones that most need them. There are soft pack rafts that
weigh less than 50 lbs. All life rafts however have a significant
hidden expense: They must be repacked and recertified every 1 to 3
years depending on the manufacturer and model.
It's part of the same logic that leads people to think that a smaller
boat needs smaller bilgepumps.



Indeed.

One aspect of the Parkers I've owned that I appreciated is their
bone-dry bilges. Unless I open a hatch and pour water down into it, I
don't seem to get any water into the bilges of my 21-footer. There's no
liner. I supposed if I started filling up the center console, at some
point water would go down the rigging tubes into the bilge, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot.



???

What does that have to do with what I said?


Nothing. What you post is insignificant at best.

It sure seems to attract your attention.