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Just got back from the airport.
My BVI buddy was on a flight out of Washington that was scheduled to arrive Halifax at 2108 hrs. When I started out, I had to wipe a skim of ice from the windows...a bad sign. Talk about pea soup fog...... I was travelling at 80km and sometimes dipping down to 70 and even 60km. Big trucks whipping by kicking up crap all over my windshield. My eyesight is getting bad at night in the best conditions, let alone like this. Oh yeah..that wimpy 'merican pilot circled our airport a few times and then ran back toHartford, Connecticut. Now I'll have to go back out tomorrow. If his plane comes in at night, I'll tell him to jump the airport bus and I'll meet him at a downtown hotel. Safer for all concerned. |
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On Feb 11, 9:45*pm, "Don White" wrote:
Just got back from the airport. My BVI buddy was on a flight out of Washington that was scheduled to arrive Halifax at 2108 hrs. When I started out, I had to wipe a skim of ice from the windows...a bad sign. Talk about pea soup fog...... I was travelling at 80km and sometimes dipping down to 70 and even 60km. Big trucks whipping by kicking up crap all over my windshield. My eyesight is getting bad at night in the best conditions, let alone like this. Oh yeah..that wimpy 'merican pilot circled our airport a few times and then ran back toHartford, Connecticut. Now I'll have to go back out tomorrow. *If his plane comes in at night, I'll tell him to jump the airport bus and I'll meet him at a downtown hotel. Safer for all concerned. You're acting more like your lover/master/clone Harry every day. Please answer the following: 1. How do you know that the pilot was American? 2. By "'merican" did you mean the United States? 3. While the pilot has ultimate control, do you think it was his decision alone to not land at Halifax? 4. Do you really think that a well trained pilot should put his passengers, crew, and expensive plane at risk just so some idiot in Halifax won't call him "whimpy"? 5. Did you fetch your son beer while you were out? |
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On Feb 12, 8:47*am, wrote:
On Feb 11, 9:45*pm, "Don White" wrote: Just got back from the airport. My BVI buddy was on a flight out of Washington that was scheduled to arrive Halifax at 2108 hrs. When I started out, I had to wipe a skim of ice from the windows...a bad sign. Talk about pea soup fog...... I was travelling at 80km and sometimes dipping down to 70 and even 60km.. Big trucks whipping by kicking up crap all over my windshield. My eyesight is getting bad at night in the best conditions, let alone like this. Oh yeah..that wimpy 'merican pilot circled our airport a few times and then ran back toHartford, Connecticut. Now I'll have to go back out tomorrow. *If his plane comes in at night, I'll tell him to jump the airport bus and I'll meet him at a downtown hotel. Safer for all concerned. You're acting more like your lover/master/clone Harry every day. Please answer the following: 1. How do you know that the pilot was American? 2. By "'merican" did you mean the United States? 3. While the pilot has ultimate control, do you think it was his decision alone to not land at Halifax? 4. Do you really think that a well trained pilot should put his passengers, crew, and expensive plane at risk just so some idiot in Halifax won't call him "whimpy"? 5. Did you fetch your son beer while you were out? Yeah, funny.. He wants the pilot to land, but he's scared to drive to the Airport a second day...;) snerk Wouldn't it be interesting if it was a Canadian Pilot.. Only our Donnie or Harry would be dumb enough (or dishonest enough) to make a blind assumption like that. |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 11, 9:45 pm, "Don White" wrote: Just got back from the airport. My BVI buddy was on a flight out of Washington that was scheduled to arrive Halifax at 2108 hrs. When I started out, I had to wipe a skim of ice from the windows...a bad sign. Talk about pea soup fog...... I was travelling at 80km and sometimes dipping down to 70 and even 60km. Big trucks whipping by kicking up crap all over my windshield. My eyesight is getting bad at night in the best conditions, let alone like this. Oh yeah..that wimpy 'merican pilot circled our airport a few times and then ran back toHartford, Connecticut. Now I'll have to go back out tomorrow. If his plane comes in at night, I'll tell him to jump the airport bus and I'll meet him at a downtown hotel. Safer for all concerned. You're acting more like your lover/master/clone Harry every day. Please answer the following: 1. How do you know that the pilot was American? 2. By "'merican" did you mean the United States? 3. While the pilot has ultimate control, do you think it was his decision alone to not land at Halifax? 4. Do you really think that a well trained pilot should put his passengers, crew, and expensive plane at risk just so some idiot in Halifax won't call him "whimpy"? 5. Did you fetch your son beer while you were out? ************************************************** ********************* mmmmm "Did you fetch your son beer while you were out?" As talented and multi-tasking as I am...that would be difficult even for me. A Continental flight from Newark landed just before my buddies United flight. Just who do you think pilots United Airlines planes...pilots from Iran?? Last night the plane re-fulled in Hartford Conn and then took the passengers all the way back to Washington. This morning an early flight to here was cancelled so United offered to send the passengers to Chicago..... Say what?? Vic changed his route to Boston where he can pickup an Air Canada flight that will get him here somewhere around 1900 hrs AST |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 12, 8:47 am, wrote: On Feb 11, 9:45 pm, "Don White" wrote: Just got back from the airport. My BVI buddy was on a flight out of Washington that was scheduled to arrive Halifax at 2108 hrs. When I started out, I had to wipe a skim of ice from the windows...a bad sign. Talk about pea soup fog...... I was travelling at 80km and sometimes dipping down to 70 and even 60km. Big trucks whipping by kicking up crap all over my windshield. My eyesight is getting bad at night in the best conditions, let alone like this. Oh yeah..that wimpy 'merican pilot circled our airport a few times and then ran back toHartford, Connecticut. Now I'll have to go back out tomorrow. If his plane comes in at night, I'll tell him to jump the airport bus and I'll meet him at a downtown hotel. Safer for all concerned. You're acting more like your lover/master/clone Harry every day. Please answer the following: 1. How do you know that the pilot was American? 2. By "'merican" did you mean the United States? 3. While the pilot has ultimate control, do you think it was his decision alone to not land at Halifax? 4. Do you really think that a well trained pilot should put his passengers, crew, and expensive plane at risk just so some idiot in Halifax won't call him "whimpy"? 5. Did you fetch your son beer while you were out? Yeah, funny.. He wants the pilot to land, but he's scared to drive to the Airport a second day...;) snerk Wouldn't it be interesting if it was a Canadian Pilot.. Only our Donnie or Harry would be dumb enough (or dishonest enough) to make a blind assumption like that. ************************************************** ****************************************** Not so much scared, NumbNuts.... as I said, I have trouble seeing while driving at night... much worse in rainy or foggy weather. In a light snowstorm..I'd have no problem. |
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On Feb 12, 9:07*am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 11, 9:45 pm, "Don White" wrote: Just got back from the airport. My BVI buddy was on a flight out of Washington that was scheduled to arrive Halifax at 2108 hrs. When I started out, I had to wipe a skim of ice from the windows...a bad sign. Talk about pea soup fog...... I was travelling at 80km and sometimes dipping down to 70 and even 60km.. Big trucks whipping by kicking up crap all over my windshield. My eyesight is getting bad at night in the best conditions, let alone like this. Oh yeah..that wimpy 'merican pilot circled our airport a few times and then ran back toHartford, Connecticut. Now I'll have to go back out tomorrow. If his plane comes in at night, I'll tell him to jump the airport bus and I'll meet him at a downtown hotel. Safer for all concerned. You're acting more like your lover/master/clone Harry every day. Please answer the following: 1. How do you know that the pilot was American? 2. By "'merican" did you mean the United States? 3. While the pilot has ultimate control, do you think it was his decision alone to not land at Halifax? 4. Do you really think that a well trained pilot should put his passengers, crew, and expensive plane at risk just so some idiot in Halifax won't call him "whimpy"? 5. Did you fetch your son beer while you were out? ************************************************** ********************* mmmmm "Did you fetch your son beer while you were out?" As talented and multi-tasking as I am...that would be difficult even for me. Really? Too dumb to apply the brakes and park next to the beer store? A Continental flight from Newark landed just before my buddies United flight. Just who do you think pilots United Airlines planes...pilots from Iran?? Um, pilots come from all over, dummy. He could well have been from just about any country. Do you really think that a global airline such as United only employes U.S. pilots????? As for the rest, you either didn't or couldn't answer the questions. Care to try again? |
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On Feb 12, 10:09*am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 12, 8:47 am, wrote: On Feb 11, 9:45 pm, "Don White" wrote: Just got back from the airport. My BVI buddy was on a flight out of Washington that was scheduled to arrive Halifax at 2108 hrs. When I started out, I had to wipe a skim of ice from the windows...a bad sign. Talk about pea soup fog...... I was travelling at 80km and sometimes dipping down to 70 and even 60km. Big trucks whipping by kicking up crap all over my windshield. My eyesight is getting bad at night in the best conditions, let alone like this. Oh yeah..that wimpy 'merican pilot circled our airport a few times and then ran back toHartford, Connecticut. Now I'll have to go back out tomorrow. If his plane comes in at night, I'll tell him to jump the airport bus and I'll meet him at a downtown hotel. Safer for all concerned. You're acting more like your lover/master/clone Harry every day. Please answer the following: 1. How do you know that the pilot was American? 2. By "'merican" did you mean the United States? 3. While the pilot has ultimate control, do you think it was his decision alone to not land at Halifax? 4. Do you really think that a well trained pilot should put his passengers, crew, and expensive plane at risk just so some idiot in Halifax won't call him "whimpy"? 5. Did you fetch your son beer while you were out? Yeah, funny.. He wants the pilot to land, but he's scared to drive to the Airport a second day...;) snerk Wouldn't it be interesting if it was a Canadian Pilot.. Only our Donnie or Harry would be dumb enough (or dishonest enough) to make a blind assumption like that. ************************************************** ******************************************* Not so much scared, NumbNuts.... as I said, I have trouble seeing while driving at night... much worse in rainy or foggy weather. In a light snowstorm..I'd have no problem.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow, he was just scared....right, dummy? |
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wrote in message ... On Feb 12, 10:09 am, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message ... On Feb 12, 8:47 am, wrote: On Feb 11, 9:45 pm, "Don White" wrote: Just got back from the airport. My BVI buddy was on a flight out of Washington that was scheduled to arrive Halifax at 2108 hrs. When I started out, I had to wipe a skim of ice from the windows...a bad sign. Talk about pea soup fog...... I was travelling at 80km and sometimes dipping down to 70 and even 60km. Big trucks whipping by kicking up crap all over my windshield. My eyesight is getting bad at night in the best conditions, let alone like this. Oh yeah..that wimpy 'merican pilot circled our airport a few times and then ran back toHartford, Connecticut. Now I'll have to go back out tomorrow. If his plane comes in at night, I'll tell him to jump the airport bus and I'll meet him at a downtown hotel. Safer for all concerned. You're acting more like your lover/master/clone Harry every day. Please answer the following: 1. How do you know that the pilot was American? 2. By "'merican" did you mean the United States? 3. While the pilot has ultimate control, do you think it was his decision alone to not land at Halifax? 4. Do you really think that a well trained pilot should put his passengers, crew, and expensive plane at risk just so some idiot in Halifax won't call him "whimpy"? 5. Did you fetch your son beer while you were out? Yeah, funny.. He wants the pilot to land, but he's scared to drive to the Airport a second day...;) snerk Wouldn't it be interesting if it was a Canadian Pilot.. Only our Donnie or Harry would be dumb enough (or dishonest enough) to make a blind assumption like that. ************************************************** ******************************************* Not so much scared, NumbNuts.... as I said, I have trouble seeing while driving at night... much worse in rainy or foggy weather. In a light snowstorm..I'd have no problem.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow, he was just scared....right, dummy? ************************************************** ************************************* Speaking of transportation...how do you ship your 'special crop'? Air, rail, truck?? |
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On Feb 12, 1:11*pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 12, 10:09 am, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message .... On Feb 12, 8:47 am, wrote: On Feb 11, 9:45 pm, "Don White" wrote: Just got back from the airport. My BVI buddy was on a flight out of Washington that was scheduled to arrive Halifax at 2108 hrs. When I started out, I had to wipe a skim of ice from the windows...a bad sign. Talk about pea soup fog...... I was travelling at 80km and sometimes dipping down to 70 and even 60km. Big trucks whipping by kicking up crap all over my windshield. My eyesight is getting bad at night in the best conditions, let alone like this.. Oh yeah..that wimpy 'merican pilot circled our airport a few times and then ran back toHartford, Connecticut. Now I'll have to go back out tomorrow. If his plane comes in at night, I'll tell him to jump the airport bus and I'll meet him at a downtown hotel. Safer for all concerned. You're acting more like your lover/master/clone Harry every day. Please answer the following: 1. How do you know that the pilot was American? 2. By "'merican" did you mean the United States? 3. While the pilot has ultimate control, do you think it was his decision alone to not land at Halifax? 4. Do you really think that a well trained pilot should put his passengers, crew, and expensive plane at risk just so some idiot in Halifax won't call him "whimpy"? 5. Did you fetch your son beer while you were out? Yeah, funny.. He wants the pilot to land, but he's scared to drive to the Airport a second day...;) snerk Wouldn't it be interesting if it was a Canadian Pilot.. Only our Donnie or Harry would be dumb enough (or dishonest enough) to make a blind assumption like that. ************************************************** ******************************************** Not so much scared, NumbNuts.... as I said, I have trouble seeing while driving at night... much worse in rainy or foggy weather. In a light snowstorm..I'd have no problem.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow, he was just scared....right, dummy? ************************************************** ************************************** Speaking of transportation...how do you ship your 'special crop'? Air, rail, truck??- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without ANY evidence. Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue, will you? |
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On Feb 12, 1:11*pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Feb 12, 10:09 am, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message .... On Feb 12, 8:47 am, wrote: On Feb 11, 9:45 pm, "Don White" wrote: Just got back from the airport. My BVI buddy was on a flight out of Washington that was scheduled to arrive Halifax at 2108 hrs. When I started out, I had to wipe a skim of ice from the windows...a bad sign. Talk about pea soup fog...... I was travelling at 80km and sometimes dipping down to 70 and even 60km. Big trucks whipping by kicking up crap all over my windshield. My eyesight is getting bad at night in the best conditions, let alone like this.. Oh yeah..that wimpy 'merican pilot circled our airport a few times and then ran back toHartford, Connecticut. Now I'll have to go back out tomorrow. If his plane comes in at night, I'll tell him to jump the airport bus and I'll meet him at a downtown hotel. Safer for all concerned. You're acting more like your lover/master/clone Harry every day. Please answer the following: 1. How do you know that the pilot was American? 2. By "'merican" did you mean the United States? 3. While the pilot has ultimate control, do you think it was his decision alone to not land at Halifax? 4. Do you really think that a well trained pilot should put his passengers, crew, and expensive plane at risk just so some idiot in Halifax won't call him "whimpy"? 5. Did you fetch your son beer while you were out? Yeah, funny.. He wants the pilot to land, but he's scared to drive to the Airport a second day...;) snerk Wouldn't it be interesting if it was a Canadian Pilot.. Only our Donnie or Harry would be dumb enough (or dishonest enough) to make a blind assumption like that. ************************************************** ******************************************** Not so much scared, NumbNuts.... as I said, I have trouble seeing while driving at night... much worse in rainy or foggy weather. In a light snowstorm..I'd have no problem.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow, he was just scared....right, dummy? ************************************************** ************************************** Speaking of transportation...how do you ship your 'special crop'? Air, rail, truck??- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Just like Harry, when you've finally figured out you don't have a friggin' clue what you're talking about, deflect...... |
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wrote in message ... Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without ANY evidence. Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue, will you? ************************************************** ************************ You want me to discuss your questionable activities and transactions on a public forum? One of the jailhouse lawyers in here might accuse me of being implicated if I admitted knowledge of same. |
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Don White wrote:
wrote in message ... Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without ANY evidence. Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue, will you? ************************************************** ************************ You want me to discuss your questionable activities and transactions on a public forum? One of the jailhouse lawyers in here might accuse me of being implicated if I admitted knowledge of same. We all know he didn't discuss growing pot, just as JustHate didn't discuss being slammed against the staircase by the local cops. Never happened. :) |
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"HK" wrote in message m... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without ANY evidence. Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue, will you? ************************************************** ************************ You want me to discuss your questionable activities and transactions on a public forum? One of the jailhouse lawyers in here might accuse me of being implicated if I admitted knowledge of same. We all know he didn't discuss growing pot, just as JustHate didn't discuss being slammed against the staircase by the local cops. Never happened. :) Pot?? I thought he was growing peanuts. ;-) |
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Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message m... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without ANY evidence. Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue, will you? ************************************************** ************************ You want me to discuss your questionable activities and transactions on a public forum? One of the jailhouse lawyers in here might accuse me of being implicated if I admitted knowledge of same. We all know he didn't discuss growing pot, just as JustHate didn't discuss being slammed against the staircase by the local cops. Never happened. :) Pot?? I thought he was growing peanuts. ;-) Was it peanuts...or a penis? |
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"HK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message m... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without ANY evidence. Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue, will you? ************************************************** ************************ You want me to discuss your questionable activities and transactions on a public forum? One of the jailhouse lawyers in here might accuse me of being implicated if I admitted knowledge of same. We all know he didn't discuss growing pot, just as JustHate didn't discuss being slammed against the staircase by the local cops. Never happened. :) Pot?? I thought he was growing peanuts. ;-) Was it peanuts...or a penis? LOL.. that's another good 'un. |
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On Feb 12, 5:41*pm, HK wrote:
Don White wrote: wrote in message .... Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without ANY evidence. Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue, will you? ************************************************** ************************ You want me to discuss your questionable activities and transactions on a public forum? One of the jailhouse lawyers in here might accuse me of being implicated if I admitted knowledge of same. We all know he didn't discuss growing pot, just as JustHate didn't discuss being slammed against the staircase by the local cops. Never happened. * :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So, you admit you made it up.. Just like the Lobsta' boat, Yale, Dr. Dr., Singlehanded..., Fireboat welcome, don't shop at Walmart, Stumpy isn't your gay lover, pictures of owls and harpies, you are not even good at lying... |
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On Feb 12, 5:41*pm, HK wrote:
Don White wrote: wrote in message .... Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without ANY evidence. Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue, will you? ************************************************** ************************ You want me to discuss your questionable activities and transactions on a public forum? One of the jailhouse lawyers in here might accuse me of being implicated if I admitted knowledge of same. We all know he didn't discuss growing pot, just as JustHate didn't discuss being slammed against the staircase by the local cops. Never happened. * :)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - What are you accusing me of, coward? |
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On Feb 12, 7:31*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message news:_o6dnYojCdgYOAnUnZ2dnUVZ_gmWnZ2d@earthlink. com... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without ANY evidence. Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue, will you? ************************************************** ************************ You want me to discuss your questionable activities and transactions on a public forum? One of the jailhouse lawyers in here might accuse me of being implicated if I admitted knowledge of same. We all know he didn't discuss growing pot, just as JustHate didn't discuss being slammed against the staircase by the local cops. Never happened. * :) Pot?? * I thought he was growing peanuts. *;-) Was it peanuts...or a penis? LOL.. that's another good 'un.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You just love when your lover/master/clone comes up with that third grade trash don't you? |
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On Feb 12, 7:31*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: "HK" wrote in message news:_o6dnYojCdgYOAnUnZ2dnUVZ_gmWnZ2d@earthlink. com... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without ANY evidence. Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue, will you? ************************************************** ************************ You want me to discuss your questionable activities and transactions on a public forum? One of the jailhouse lawyers in here might accuse me of being implicated if I admitted knowledge of same. We all know he didn't discuss growing pot, just as JustHate didn't discuss being slammed against the staircase by the local cops. Never happened. * :) Pot?? * I thought he was growing peanuts. *;-) Was it peanuts...or a penis? LOL.. that's another good 'un.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, dummy, did you hear about the commuter jet that went down in Buffalo? Seems there was rain, fog, snow. The pilot radioed some icing before going off the radar. Still think the pilot you are referring to was a coward because he valued his, his crew and his passengers lives? |
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On Feb 12, 2:54*pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message ... Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without ANY evidence. Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue, will you? ************************************************** ************************ You want me to discuss your questionable activities and transactions on a public forum? One of the jailhouse lawyers in here might accuse me of being implicated if I admitted knowledge of same. Yes, I do. Accuse me of anything you like. Just be ready to suffer the consequences of your liable and lies. |
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wrote in message ... Hey, dummy, did you hear about the commuter jet that went down in Buffalo? Seems there was rain, fog, snow. The pilot radioed some icing before going off the radar. Still think the pilot you are referring to was a coward because he valued his, his crew and his passengers lives? Oh boy... you still going on about that? All right...I admit I threw in that comment to troll the usual rabid patriots. I expected to see 'Captain America' aka Waylon Smithers, to come rushing to the defense of the US. Guess he's out learning to photograph 'by number'. |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0400, "Don White"
wrote: I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow, he was just scared....right, dummy? The pilot is the necessary backup for the autopilot, which can land the plane, and which does not use visible light and does not need visibility. Rain and fog do not affect it. The pilot might have taken the risk had there been a medical emergency or something. Casady |
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On Feb 13, 9:45*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow, he was just scared....right, dummy? The pilot is the necessary backup for the autopilot, which can land the plane, and which does not use visible light and does not need visibility. Rain and fog do not affect it. The pilot might have taken the risk had there been a medical emergency or something. Casady An autopilot system can't make decisions based on deteriorating weather conditions. A pilot can, and therefore did. |
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On Feb 13, 4:52*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:15:49 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 13, 9:45*am, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow, he was just scared....right, dummy? The pilot is the necessary backup for the autopilot, which can land the plane, and which does not use visible light and does not need visibility. Rain and fog do not affect it. The pilot might have taken the risk had there been a medical emergency or something. Casady An autopilot system can't make decisions based on deteriorating weather conditions. A pilot can, and therefore did. What makes you think it can't, for that matter. Computers can beat nearly anyone at chess, and have been able to for a long time. As far back as 1947 an autopilot on a DC-3 crossed the Atlantic and landed with a pilot watching, hands off. The radio glide slope instrument had been invented by then. There is even a book about it. You missed the part about the autopilot being immune to weather. If you trust the autopilot, there is no decision to make, you land every time. They don't trust the autopilot. which is what I said. Pilots are not failure proof either. They occasionally die on the job. That is one of the reasons there are two. The Shuttle is totally unlandable without the computer, so they have four of them. Two can fail in succession and be outvoted. I happen to hold, since the seventies, a commercial license with an instrument rating, and I can assure you that neither approaches nor landings have to be perfect. Casady- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - So this autopilot, when it's over the weather knows what the weather below is like? It knows windshear values at the runway apron? It knows runway conditions? It knows the tower's recommendations? Answers NO. Hell an airport can be completely closed and if left to it's own, the autopilot will still try to land there. |
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On Feb 13, 11:40*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:02 -0800 (PST), wrote: So this autopilot, when it's over the weather knows what the weather below is like? The conditions are continuously broadcast on the radio No reason why an autopilot can't listen. I have been flying for almost fifty years, and I can assure you it is not that difficult, even in nearly all weather. Icing is the killer. Airline plane crashed and burned today, killed one victim on the ground. It was ice coated. If the plane makes it to the airport there are usually survivors, even if it burns, but not this time. That Hudson river landing was something. Those guys do not practice power off approaches and landings, and with any glider, you only get one chance, and the jets are moving fast, with a high sink rate when they land. Power off is very difficult to judge. Only good thing about the river was it was effectively infinitely long. Power off is not even on the airline transport rating check ride. One engine out on a multi is what they test for. One guy did get a single engine ATR. For an emergency they steadily reduced the power, to simulate accumulating ice. Stay in the air ten minutes., think fast. With ships, things take place with glacial slowness, although occasionally they explode. Casady. In western NY, icing is a problem a lot of the year. Then you have to figure out whether to try to climb above the conditions, or descend below or at least down to higher temps. If you do that, then theirs these things called hills that can ruin your day! |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:07:54 -0400, "Don White"
wrote: Vic changed his route to Boston where he can pickup an Air Canada flight that will get him here somewhere around 1900 hrs AST All Canadians want you to make it to Halifax, while the US could care less, it seems. Transportation is better than it once was. During the war there was a supposedly express train from St John to Toronto. It was supposed to take 24 hours and always took more than 48. They derisively called it the ' Bullet '.We don't do airline: we plan to take a train and a boxboat to Amsterdam when the ice goes out. It leaves Lake Michigan every two weeks. I wonder what the food is like, the ship is Polish.. Casady |
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On Feb 14, 11:05*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:07:54 -0400, "Don White" wrote: Vic changed his route to Boston where he can pickup an Air Canada flight that will get him here somewhere around 1900 hrs AST All Canadians want you to make it to Halifax, while the US could care less, it seems. Transportation is better than it once was. During the war there was a supposedly express train from St John to Toronto. It was supposed to take 24 hours and always took more than 48. They derisively called it the ' Bullet '.We don't do airline: we plan to take a train and a boxboat to Amsterdam when the ice goes out. It leaves Lake Michigan every two weeks. I wonder what the food is like, the ship is Polish.. Casady I really like Polish food! |
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On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:01:20 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Um, pilots come from all over, dummy. He could well have been from just about any country. Do you really think that a global airline such as United only employes U.S. pilots????? At one time there were lots of US pilots all over the world. We had a zillion cheap light planes and a big military to do the training. Casady |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:07:54 -0400, "Don White" wrote: Vic changed his route to Boston where he can pickup an Air Canada flight that will get him here somewhere around 1900 hrs AST All Canadians want you to make it to Halifax, while the US could care less, it seems. Transportation is better than it once was. During the war there was a supposedly express train from St John to Toronto. It was supposed to take 24 hours and always took more than 48. They derisively called it the ' Bullet '.We don't do airline: we plan to take a train and a boxboat to Amsterdam when the ice goes out. It leaves Lake Michigan every two weeks. I wonder what the food is like, the ship is Polish.. Casady The Bullet? Would that be the Newfie Bullet that ran from St. John's to Port aux Basques, Newfoundland................... or was there a Bullet that ran from Saint John, New Brunswick to Toronto? |
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On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:17:59 -0400, "Don White"
wrote: "Richard Casady" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:07:54 -0400, "Don White" wrote: Vic changed his route to Boston where he can pickup an Air Canada flight that will get him here somewhere around 1900 hrs AST All Canadians want you to make it to Halifax, while the US could care less, it seems. Transportation is better than it once was. During the war there was a supposedly express train from St John to Toronto. It was supposed to take 24 hours and always took more than 48. They derisively called it the ' Bullet '.We don't do airline: we plan to take a train and a boxboat to Amsterdam when the ice goes out. It leaves Lake Michigan every two weeks. I wonder what the food is like, the ship is Polish.. Casady The Bullet? Would that be the Newfie Bullet that ran from St. John's to Port aux Basques, Newfoundland................... or was there a Bullet that ran from Saint John, New Brunswick to Toronto? I read a book by a young Canadian, who did the battle of the Atlantic. He served first on the Halifax net tender, then an AMC, then a corvette. And they called it the Newfie Bullet. The name could have been used for more than one train. He meant a twenty four 'express' to Toronto. I could be wrong about the Eastern end. Casady |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:15:49 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 13, 9:45 am, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow, he was just scared....right, dummy? The pilot is the necessary backup for the autopilot, which can land the plane, and which does not use visible light and does not need visibility. Rain and fog do not affect it. The pilot might have taken the risk had there been a medical emergency or something. Casady An autopilot system can't make decisions based on deteriorating weather conditions. A pilot can, and therefore did. What makes you think it can't, for that matter. Computers can beat nearly anyone at chess, and have been able to for a long time. As far back as 1947 an autopilot on a DC-3 crossed the Atlantic and landed with a pilot watching, hands off. The radio glide slope instrument had been invented by then. There is even a book about it. You missed the part about the autopilot being immune to weather. If you trust the autopilot, there is no decision to make, you land every time. They don't trust the autopilot. which is what I said. Pilots are not failure proof either. They occasionally die on the job. That is one of the reasons there are two. The Shuttle is totally unlandable without the computer, so they have four of them. Two can fail in succession and be outvoted. I happen to hold, since the seventies, a commercial license with an instrument rating, and I can assure you that neither approaches nor landings have to be perfect. Casady The reason they do not allow the autopilot to land all the way to touchdown is because of the ILS system. You cannot always trust it is in perfect alignment. It can be a little off, but not far enough to trigger the alarms. Maybe now, but when I was an ILS guy in the airforce, you could still be off a tiny bit. |
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"CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:15:49 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 13, 9:45 am, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow, he was just scared....right, dummy? The pilot is the necessary backup for the autopilot, which can land the plane, and which does not use visible light and does not need visibility. Rain and fog do not affect it. The pilot might have taken the risk had there been a medical emergency or something. Casady An autopilot system can't make decisions based on deteriorating weather conditions. A pilot can, and therefore did. What makes you think it can't, for that matter. Computers can beat nearly anyone at chess, and have been able to for a long time. As far back as 1947 an autopilot on a DC-3 crossed the Atlantic and landed with a pilot watching, hands off. The radio glide slope instrument had been invented by then. There is even a book about it. You missed the part about the autopilot being immune to weather. If you trust the autopilot, there is no decision to make, you land every time. They don't trust the autopilot. which is what I said. Pilots are not failure proof either. They occasionally die on the job. That is one of the reasons there are two. The Shuttle is totally unlandable without the computer, so they have four of them. Two can fail in succession and be outvoted. I happen to hold, since the seventies, a commercial license with an instrument rating, and I can assure you that neither approaches nor landings have to be perfect. Casady The reason they do not allow the autopilot to land all the way to touchdown is because of the ILS system. You cannot always trust it is in perfect alignment. It can be a little off, but not far enough to trigger the alarms. Maybe now, but when I was an ILS guy in the airforce, you could still be off a tiny bit. Actually Bill, if the plane (with qualified crew), and the airport are equipped properly, the autopilot can complete a fully automated landing all the way thru roll-out. It's called a CAT-III C approach, and of many reports I've heard, is smoother than many pilot's landings. SFO is capable of handling such approaches. Maybe scary, but true. --Mike |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:15:49 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 13, 9:45 am, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow, he was just scared....right, dummy? The pilot is the necessary backup for the autopilot, which can land the plane, and which does not use visible light and does not need visibility. Rain and fog do not affect it. The pilot might have taken the risk had there been a medical emergency or something. Casady An autopilot system can't make decisions based on deteriorating weather conditions. A pilot can, and therefore did. What makes you think it can't, for that matter. Computers can beat nearly anyone at chess, and have been able to for a long time. As far back as 1947 an autopilot on a DC-3 crossed the Atlantic and landed with a pilot watching, hands off. The radio glide slope instrument had been invented by then. There is even a book about it. You missed the part about the autopilot being immune to weather. If you trust the autopilot, there is no decision to make, you land every time. They don't trust the autopilot. which is what I said. Pilots are not failure proof either. They occasionally die on the job. That is one of the reasons there are two. The Shuttle is totally unlandable without the computer, so they have four of them. Two can fail in succession and be outvoted. I happen to hold, since the seventies, a commercial license with an instrument rating, and I can assure you that neither approaches nor landings have to be perfect. Casady The reason they do not allow the autopilot to land all the way to touchdown is because of the ILS system. You cannot always trust it is in perfect alignment. It can be a little off, but not far enough to trigger the alarms. Maybe now, but when I was an ILS guy in the airforce, you could still be off a tiny bit. Actually Bill, if the plane (with qualified crew), and the airport are equipped properly, the autopilot can complete a fully automated landing all the way thru roll-out. It's called a CAT-III C approach, and of many reports I've heard, is smoother than many pilot's landings. SFO is capable of handling such approaches. Maybe scary, but true. --Mike But I got out in 1971, so things have definitely changed technology wise. |
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message m... "Mike" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message m... "Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:15:49 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Feb 13, 9:45 am, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0400, "Don White" wrote: I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow, he was just scared....right, dummy? The pilot is the necessary backup for the autopilot, which can land the plane, and which does not use visible light and does not need visibility. Rain and fog do not affect it. The pilot might have taken the risk had there been a medical emergency or something. Casady An autopilot system can't make decisions based on deteriorating weather conditions. A pilot can, and therefore did. What makes you think it can't, for that matter. Computers can beat nearly anyone at chess, and have been able to for a long time. As far back as 1947 an autopilot on a DC-3 crossed the Atlantic and landed with a pilot watching, hands off. The radio glide slope instrument had been invented by then. There is even a book about it. You missed the part about the autopilot being immune to weather. If you trust the autopilot, there is no decision to make, you land every time. They don't trust the autopilot. which is what I said. Pilots are not failure proof either. They occasionally die on the job. That is one of the reasons there are two. The Shuttle is totally unlandable without the computer, so they have four of them. Two can fail in succession and be outvoted. I happen to hold, since the seventies, a commercial license with an instrument rating, and I can assure you that neither approaches nor landings have to be perfect. Casady The reason they do not allow the autopilot to land all the way to touchdown is because of the ILS system. You cannot always trust it is in perfect alignment. It can be a little off, but not far enough to trigger the alarms. Maybe now, but when I was an ILS guy in the airforce, you could still be off a tiny bit. Actually Bill, if the plane (with qualified crew), and the airport are equipped properly, the autopilot can complete a fully automated landing all the way thru roll-out. It's called a CAT-III C approach, and of many reports I've heard, is smoother than many pilot's landings. SFO is capable of handling such approaches. Maybe scary, but true. --Mike But I got out in 1971, so things have definitely changed technology wise. LOL! OK, it's safe to say that approach was not available in 1971. --Mike |
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Don White wrote:
Just got back from the airport. My BVI buddy was on a flight out of Washington that was scheduled to arrive Halifax at 2108 hrs. When I started out, I had to wipe a skim of ice from the windows...a bad sign. Talk about pea soup fog...... I was travelling at 80km and sometimes dipping down to 70 and even 60km. Big trucks whipping by kicking up crap all over my windshield. My eyesight is getting bad at night in the best conditions, let alone like this. Oh yeah..that wimpy 'merican pilot circled our airport a few times and then ran back toHartford, Connecticut. Now I'll have to go back out tomorrow. If his plane comes in at night, I'll tell him to jump the airport bus and I'll meet him at a downtown hotel. Safer for all concerned. So you are dumb *and* a pussy. Go figure... |
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