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On Feb 12, 2:54*pm, "Don White" wrote:
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Another classic example of crap just popping into your head without
ANY evidence.
Just what in hell are you talking about? Have the balls to continue,
will you?

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You want me to discuss your questionable activities and transactions on a
public forum?
One of the jailhouse lawyers in here might accuse me of being implicated if
I admitted knowledge of same.

Yes, I do. Accuse me of anything you like. Just be ready to suffer the
consequences of your liable and lies.

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Hey, dummy, did you hear about the commuter jet that went down in
Buffalo? Seems there was rain, fog, snow. The pilot radioed some icing
before going off the radar. Still think the pilot you are referring to
was a coward because he valued his, his crew and his passengers lives?


Oh boy... you still going on about that?
All right...I admit I threw in that comment to troll the usual rabid
patriots.
I expected to see 'Captain America' aka Waylon Smithers, to come rushing to
the defense of the US.
Guess he's out learning to photograph 'by number'.

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On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow,
he was just scared....right, dummy?

The pilot is the necessary backup for the autopilot, which can land
the plane, and which does not use visible light and does not need
visibility. Rain and fog do not affect it. The pilot might have taken
the risk had there been a medical emergency or something.

Casady

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On Feb 13, 9:45*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0400, "Don White"

wrote:
I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow,
he was just scared....right, dummy?

The pilot is the necessary backup for the autopilot, which can land
the plane, and which does not use visible light and does not need
visibility. Rain and fog do not affect it. The pilot might have taken
the risk had there been a medical emergency or something.

Casady

An autopilot system can't make decisions based on deteriorating
weather conditions. A pilot can, and therefore did.

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On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:15:49 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Feb 13, 9:45*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0400, "Don White"

wrote:
I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow,
he was just scared....right, dummy?

The pilot is the necessary backup for the autopilot, which can land
the plane, and which does not use visible light and does not need
visibility. Rain and fog do not affect it. The pilot might have taken
the risk had there been a medical emergency or something.

Casady

An autopilot system can't make decisions based on deteriorating
weather conditions. A pilot can, and therefore did.

What makes you think it can't, for that matter. Computers can beat
nearly anyone at chess, and have been able to for a long time.

As far back as 1947 an autopilot on a DC-3 crossed the Atlantic and
landed with a pilot watching, hands off. The radio glide slope
instrument had been invented by then. There is even a book about it.

You missed the part about the autopilot being immune to weather. If
you trust the autopilot, there is no decision to make, you land every
time. They don't trust the autopilot. which is what I said. Pilots are
not failure proof either. They occasionally die on the job. That is
one of the reasons there are two. The Shuttle is totally unlandable
without the computer, so they have four of them. Two can fail in
succession and be outvoted. I happen to hold, since the seventies, a
commercial license with an instrument rating, and I can assure you
that neither approaches nor landings have to be perfect.

Casady

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On Feb 13, 4:52*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:15:49 -0800 (PST), wrote:
On Feb 13, 9:45*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:11:10 -0400, "Don White"

wrote:
I'm sure the pilot had perfect visibility in the rain, fog and snow,
he was just scared....right, dummy?

The pilot is the necessary backup for the autopilot, which can land
the plane, and which does not use visible light and does not need
visibility. Rain and fog do not affect it. The pilot might have taken
the risk had there been a medical emergency or something.

Casady

An autopilot system can't make decisions based on deteriorating
weather conditions. A pilot can, and therefore did.

What makes you think it can't, for that matter. Computers can beat
nearly anyone at chess, and have been able to for a long time.

As far back as 1947 an autopilot on a DC-3 crossed the Atlantic and
landed with a pilot watching, hands off. The radio glide slope
instrument had been invented by then. There is even a book about it.

You missed the part about the autopilot being immune to weather. If
you trust the autopilot, there is no decision to make, you land every
time. They don't trust the autopilot. which is what I said. Pilots are
not failure proof either. They occasionally die on the job. That is
one of the reasons there are two. The Shuttle is totally unlandable
without the computer, so they have four of them. Two can fail in
succession and be outvoted. I happen to hold, since the seventies, a
commercial license with an instrument rating, and I can assure you
that neither approaches nor landings have to be perfect.

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So this autopilot, when it's over the weather knows what the weather
below is like? It knows windshear values at the runway apron? It knows
runway conditions? It knows the tower's recommendations? Answers NO.
Hell an airport can be completely closed and if left to it's own, the
autopilot will still try to land there.

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On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:02 -0800 (PST), wrote:

So this autopilot, when it's over the weather knows what the weather
below is like? The conditions are continuously broadcast on the radio

No reason why an autopilot can't listen. I have been flying for almost
fifty years, and I can assure you it is not that difficult, even in
nearly all weather. Icing is the killer. Airline plane crashed and
burned today, killed one victim on the ground. It was ice coated. If
the plane makes it to the airport there are usually survivors, even if
it burns, but not this time.

That Hudson river landing was something. Those guys do not practice
power off approaches and landings, and with any glider, you only get
one chance, and the jets are moving fast, with a high sink rate when
they land. Power off is very difficult to judge. Only good thing about
the river was it was effectively infinitely long. Power off is not
even on the airline transport rating check ride. One engine out on a
multi is what they test for. One guy did get a single engine ATR. For
an emergency they steadily reduced the power, to simulate accumulating
ice. Stay in the air ten minutes., think fast. With ships, things take
place with glacial slowness, although occasionally they explode.

Casady.

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On Feb 13, 11:40*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:26:02 -0800 (PST), wrote:
So this autopilot, when it's over the weather knows what the weather
below is like? The conditions are continuously broadcast on the radio

No reason why an autopilot can't listen. I have been flying for almost
fifty years, and I can assure you it is not that difficult, even in
nearly all weather. Icing is the killer. Airline plane crashed and
burned today, killed one victim on the ground. It was ice coated. If
the plane makes it to the airport there are usually survivors, even if
it burns, but not this time.

That Hudson river landing was something. Those guys do not practice
power off approaches and landings, and with any glider, you only get
one chance, and the jets are moving fast, with a high sink rate when
they land. Power off is very difficult to judge. Only good thing about
the river was it was effectively infinitely long. Power off is not
even on the airline transport rating check ride. One engine out on a
multi is what they test for. One guy did get a single engine ATR. For
an emergency they steadily reduced the power, to simulate accumulating
ice. Stay in the air ten minutes., think fast. With ships, things take
place with glacial slowness, although occasionally they explode.

Casady.

In western NY, icing is a problem a lot of the year. Then you have to
figure out whether to try to climb above the conditions, or descend
below or at least down to higher temps. If you do that, then theirs
these things called hills that can ruin your day!

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On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:07:54 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

Vic changed his route to Boston where he can pickup an Air Canada flight
that will get him here somewhere around 1900 hrs AST

All Canadians want you to make it to Halifax, while the US could care
less, it seems. Transportation is better than it once was. During the
war there was a supposedly express train from St John to Toronto. It
was supposed to take 24 hours and always took more than 48. They
derisively called it the ' Bullet '.We don't do airline: we plan to
take a train and a boxboat to Amsterdam when the ice goes out. It
leaves Lake Michigan every two weeks. I wonder what the food is like,
the ship is Polish..

Casady

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On Feb 14, 11:05*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:07:54 -0400, "Don White"

wrote:
Vic changed his route to Boston where he can pickup an Air Canada flight
that will get him here somewhere around 1900 hrs AST

All Canadians want you to make it to Halifax, while the US could care
less, it seems. Transportation is better than it once was. During the
war there was a supposedly express train from St John to Toronto. It
was supposed to take 24 hours and always took more than 48. They
derisively called it the ' Bullet '.We don't do airline: we plan to
take a train and a boxboat to Amsterdam when the ice goes out. It
leaves Lake Michigan every two weeks. I wonder what the food is like,
the ship is Polish..

Casady

I really like Polish food!