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Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* WASHINGTON, Feb 2 (IPS) - CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus, supported by Defence Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months at an Oval Office meeting Jan. 21. But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting. Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however. There are indications that Petraeus and his allies in the military and the Pentagon, including Gen. Ray Odierno, now the top commander in Iraq, have already begun to try to pressure Obama to change his withdrawal policy. Gareth Porter talks to Real News about his investigative piece for IPS. A network of senior military officers is also reported to be preparing to support Petraeus and Odierno by mobilising public opinion against Obama's decision. Petraeus was visibly unhappy when he left the Oval Office, according to one of the sources. A White House staffer present at the meeting was quoted by the source as saying, "Petraeus made the mistake of thinking he was still dealing with George Bush instead of with Barack Obama." - - - Remember the movie, "Seven Days in May"? :) |
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On Feb 4, 8:42*am, HK wrote:
US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* WASHINGTON, Feb 2 (IPS) - CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus, supported by Defence Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months at an Oval Office meeting Jan. 21. But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting.. Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however. There are indications that Petraeus and his allies in the military and the Pentagon, including Gen. Ray Odierno, now the top commander in Iraq, have already begun to try to pressure Obama to change his withdrawal policy. Gareth Porter talks to Real News about his investigative piece for IPS. A network of senior military officers is also reported to be preparing to support Petraeus and Odierno by mobilising public opinion against Obama's decision. Petraeus was visibly unhappy when he left the Oval Office, according to one of the sources. A White House staffer present at the meeting was quoted by the source as saying, "Petraeus made the mistake of thinking he was still dealing with George Bush instead of with Barack Obama." - - - Remember the movie, "Seven Days in May"? :) Irrelevant.. Barakolypse never intended to get them out anyway, It was just another geat line to get votes like all of the other promises he made up... The brainwashed welfare state voters loved it. |
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On Feb 4, 8:52*am, wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:42*am, HK wrote: US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* WASHINGTON, Feb 2 (IPS) - CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus, supported by Defence Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months at an Oval Office meeting Jan. 21. But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting. Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however. There are indications that Petraeus and his allies in the military and the Pentagon, including Gen. Ray Odierno, now the top commander in Iraq, have already begun to try to pressure Obama to change his withdrawal policy. Gareth Porter talks to Real News about his investigative piece for IPS. A network of senior military officers is also reported to be preparing to support Petraeus and Odierno by mobilising public opinion against Obama's decision. Petraeus was visibly unhappy when he left the Oval Office, according to one of the sources. A White House staffer present at the meeting was quoted by the source as saying, "Petraeus made the mistake of thinking he was still dealing with George Bush instead of with Barack Obama." - - - Remember the movie, "Seven Days in May"? :) Irrelevant.. Barakolypse never intended to get them out anyway, It was just another geat line to get votes like all of the other promises he made up... *The brainwashed welfare state voters loved it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It's amazing that Harry will hide behind usenet calling people names and such, then when he has a chance to try that crap in person, shows what a fat lying coward he is! I'm done with him. He proved yesterday that he's nothing but a pussy coward. Afraid of his own shadow. |
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"HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Eisboch |
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On Feb 4, 9:31*am, wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:52*am, wrote: On Feb 4, 8:42*am, HK wrote: US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* WASHINGTON, Feb 2 (IPS) - CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus, supported by Defence Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months at an Oval Office meeting Jan. 21. But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting. Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however. There are indications that Petraeus and his allies in the military and the Pentagon, including Gen. Ray Odierno, now the top commander in Iraq, have already begun to try to pressure Obama to change his withdrawal policy. Gareth Porter talks to Real News about his investigative piece for IPS. A network of senior military officers is also reported to be preparing to support Petraeus and Odierno by mobilising public opinion against Obama's decision. Petraeus was visibly unhappy when he left the Oval Office, according to one of the sources. A White House staffer present at the meeting was quoted by the source as saying, "Petraeus made the mistake of thinking he was still dealing with George Bush instead of with Barack Obama." - - - Remember the movie, "Seven Days in May"? :) Irrelevant.. Barakolypse never intended to get them out anyway, It was just another geat line to get votes like all of the other promises he made up... *The brainwashed welfare state voters loved it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It's amazing that Harry will hide behind usenet calling people names and such, then when he has a chance to try that crap in person, shows what a fat lying coward he is! I'm done with him. He proved yesterday that he's nothing but a pussy coward. Afraid of his own shadow.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Forget him.. He is only impressing Donnie, Slammer, and Salty... Can you imagine living to play to that audience? Pfffftttt.. |
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HK wrote:
US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Sounds like Johnson picking targets in North Vietnam at his Tuesday lunches all over again. |
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On Feb 4, 9:31*am, wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:52*am, wrote: On Feb 4, 8:42*am, HK wrote: US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* WASHINGTON, Feb 2 (IPS) - CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus, supported by Defence Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months at an Oval Office meeting Jan. 21. But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting. Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however. There are indications that Petraeus and his allies in the military and the Pentagon, including Gen. Ray Odierno, now the top commander in Iraq, have already begun to try to pressure Obama to change his withdrawal policy. Gareth Porter talks to Real News about his investigative piece for IPS. A network of senior military officers is also reported to be preparing to support Petraeus and Odierno by mobilising public opinion against Obama's decision. Petraeus was visibly unhappy when he left the Oval Office, according to one of the sources. A White House staffer present at the meeting was quoted by the source as saying, "Petraeus made the mistake of thinking he was still dealing with George Bush instead of with Barack Obama." - - - Remember the movie, "Seven Days in May"? :) Irrelevant.. Barakolypse never intended to get them out anyway, It was just another geat line to get votes like all of the other promises he made up... *The brainwashed welfare state voters loved it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - It's amazing that Harry will hide behind usenet calling people names and such, then when he has a chance to try that crap in person, shows what a fat lying coward he is! I'm done with him. He proved yesterday that he's nothing but a pussy coward. Afraid of his own shadow.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - If you're done with him, shut the **** up, and move on. You wont, though, you unwashed Hillbilly. |
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:56:44 -0500, BAR wrote:
HK wrote: US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Sounds like Johnson picking targets in North Vietnam at his Tuesday lunches all over again. Got that right. -- Chaos! Panic! Disaster! (My work here is done) |
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On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Heh... The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than an executive. Well, we'll see - time will tell. -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields |
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On Feb 4, 11:19*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. *He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Heh... The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than an executive. Well, we'll see - time will tell. -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded himself with criminals, what do you expect? |
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, Eisboch wrote:
Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. *If* this article it to be believed, those military commanders should be fired, at the very least. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640 |
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thunder wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. *If* this article it to be believed, those military commanders should be fired, at the very least. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640 The trouble with midlevel to senior military personnel is that they comprise a special interest group, and that interest is in keeping themselves and their buddies in uniform, and the apparatus well-oiled. I hear them on TV from time to time talking about how much they hate war, but I don't believe them. War swells the ranks, empties billets, and creates all sorts of promotional opportunities. |
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On Feb 4, 1:13*pm, HK wrote:
thunder wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Shades of Lyndon Johnson. *He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. *If* this article it to be believed, those military commanders should be fired, at the very least. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640 The trouble with midlevel to senior military personnel is that they comprise a special interest group, and that interest is in keeping themselves and their buddies in uniform, and the apparatus well-oiled. I hear them on TV from time to time talking about how much they hate war, but I don't believe them. War swells the ranks, empties billets, and creates all sorts of promotional opportunities. Sounds alot like mid-level to senior union personnel to me. |
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thunder wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. *If* this article it to be believed, those military commanders should be fired, at the very least. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640 You don't get to be a 4 star general officer without knowing a little bit about politics and making friends on Capital Hill and the various states with large military bases and defense contractors. |
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HK wrote:
US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* WASHINGTON, Feb 2 (IPS) - CENTCOM commander Gen. David Petraeus, supported by Defence Secretary Robert Gates, tried to convince President Barack Obama that he had to back down from his campaign pledge to withdraw all U.S. combat troops from Iraq within 16 months at an Oval Office meeting Jan. 21. But Obama informed Gates, Petraeus and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen that he wasn't convinced and that he wanted Gates and the military leaders to come back quickly with a detailed 16-month plan, according to two sources who have talked with participants in the meeting. Obama's decision to override Petraeus's recommendation has not ended the conflict between the president and senior military officers over troop withdrawal, however. There are indications that Petraeus and his allies in the military and the Pentagon, including Gen. Ray Odierno, now the top commander in Iraq, have already begun to try to pressure Obama to change his withdrawal policy. Gareth Porter talks to Real News about his investigative piece for IPS. A network of senior military officers is also reported to be preparing to support Petraeus and Odierno by mobilising public opinion against Obama's decision. Petraeus was visibly unhappy when he left the Oval Office, according to one of the sources. A White House staffer present at the meeting was quoted by the source as saying, "Petraeus made the mistake of thinking he was still dealing with George Bush instead of with Barack Obama." - - - Remember the movie, "Seven Days in May"? :) Can't you just post another "my dad" tale, WAFA? |
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On Feb 4, 10:45*am, wrote:
On Feb 4, 11:19*am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. *He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Heh... The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than an executive. Well, we'll see - time will tell. -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded himself with criminals, what do you expect? When I think of community organizers i automatically think of: http://fbuch.com/images/korda_che.jpg Or these guys: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b4/Che-mao.jpg |
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Tim wrote:
On Feb 4, 10:45 am, wrote: On Feb 4, 11:19 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Heh... The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than an executive. Well, we'll see - time will tell. -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded himself with criminals, what do you expect? When I think of community organizers i automatically think of: http://fbuch.com/images/korda_che.jpg Or these guys: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b4/Che-mao.jpg I read the Che pleaded for his life when he was about to be summarily executed. Just like a little bitch. |
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Tim wrote:
On Feb 4, 10:45 am, wrote: On Feb 4, 11:19 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Heh... The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than an executive. Well, we'll see - time will tell. -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded himself with criminals, what do you expect? When I think of community organizers i automatically think of: http://fbuch.com/images/korda_che.jpg Or these guys: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b4/Che-mao.jpg You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the concept of organizing. |
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On Feb 4, 9:49*pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Feb 4, 10:45 am, wrote: On Feb 4, 11:19 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. *He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Heh... The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than an executive. Well, we'll see - time will tell. -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded himself with criminals, what do you expect? When I think *of community organizers i automatically think of: http://fbuch.com/images/korda_che.jpg Or these guys: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b4/Che-mao.jpg You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the concept of organizing. Oh I have, Harry. That's why I included those thugs. I suppose I should broaden my thinking on communism too? ?;^ ) |
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"HK" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. *If* this article it to be believed, those military commanders should be fired, at the very least. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640 The trouble with midlevel to senior military personnel is that they comprise a special interest group, and that interest is in keeping themselves and their buddies in uniform, and the apparatus well-oiled. I hear them on TV from time to time talking about how much they hate war, but I don't believe them. War swells the ranks, empties billets, and creates all sorts of promotional opportunities. I believe you believe that. What else could you possibly believe? Fortunately, you are in the extreme minority. I agree that they try to keep the "apparatus well-oiled". That's their job. Eisboch |
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"HK" wrote in message m... Tim wrote: On Feb 4, 10:45 am, wrote: On Feb 4, 11:19 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Heh... The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than an executive. Well, we'll see - time will tell. -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded himself with criminals, what do you expect? When I think of community organizers i automatically think of: http://fbuch.com/images/korda_che.jpg Or these guys: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b4/Che-mao.jpg You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the concept of organizing. The operative word isn't "organizing". It's "community". Eisboch |
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Tim wrote:
On Feb 4, 9:49 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Feb 4, 10:45 am, wrote: On Feb 4, 11:19 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Heh... The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than an executive. Well, we'll see - time will tell. -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded himself with criminals, what do you expect? When I think of community organizers i automatically think of: http://fbuch.com/images/korda_che.jpg Or these guys: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b4/Che-mao.jpg You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the concept of organizing. Oh I have, Harry. That's why I included those thugs. I suppose I should broaden my thinking on communism too? ?;^ ) No, Tim...you just don't get it. But it's not my problem, it's yours. Almost every group human effort results from organizing. |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. *If* this article it to be believed, those military commanders should be fired, at the very least. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640 The trouble with midlevel to senior military personnel is that they comprise a special interest group, and that interest is in keeping themselves and their buddies in uniform, and the apparatus well-oiled. I hear them on TV from time to time talking about how much they hate war, but I don't believe them. War swells the ranks, empties billets, and creates all sorts of promotional opportunities. I believe you believe that. What else could you possibly believe? Fortunately, you are in the extreme minority. I agree that they try to keep the "apparatus well-oiled". That's their job. Eisboch Keep the apparatus well-oiled also means keeping themselves in uniform. |
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On Feb 5, 5:25*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Feb 4, 9:49 pm, HK wrote: Tim wrote: On Feb 4, 10:45 am, wrote: On Feb 4, 11:19 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. *He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Heh... The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than an executive. Well, we'll see - time will tell. -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded himself with criminals, what do you expect? When I think *of community organizers i automatically think of: http://fbuch.com/images/korda_che.jpg Or these guys: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b4/Che-mao.jpg You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the concept of organizing. Oh I have, Harry. That's why I included those thugs. I suppose I should broaden my thinking on communism too? ?;^ ) No, Tim...you just don't get it. But it's not my problem, it's yours. Almost every group human effort results from organizing. Oh, I realize that, Harry. I DO get it. and It isn't a problem. It's a humor. But when I think of the term "community organizer" Those are the types that strike me first... |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message m... Tim wrote: On Feb 4, 10:45 am, wrote: On Feb 4, 11:19 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Heh... The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than an executive. Well, we'll see - time will tell. -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded himself with criminals, what do you expect? When I think of community organizers i automatically think of: http://fbuch.com/images/korda_che.jpg Or these guys: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b4/Che-mao.jpg You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the concept of organizing. The operative word isn't "organizing". It's "community". Eisboch You have a problem with "community"? When there is a blood drive in your area, do you think it is something other than "the community" that is targeted? |
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On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:27:02 -0500, BAR wrote:
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640 You don't get to be a 4 star general officer without knowing a little bit about politics and making friends on Capital Hill and the various states with large military bases and defense contractors. And you don't get to stay a 4 Star by undermining your CIC. ;-) Personally, I don't understand the resistance to Obama's 16 month withdrawal. The Status of Forces agreement has us out of the cities by June, and out of Iraq in 36 months. Al-Maliki states an earlier withdrawal if OK by him. The Sunnis seemed concerned by our leaving, but there seems to be an effort to address their issues. I mean, Iraq is looking relatively stable, though fragile, and we can use the manpower in Afghanistan, where things look to be going downhill. |
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"HK" wrote in message m... You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the concept of organizing. The operative word isn't "organizing". It's "community". Eisboch You have a problem with "community"? When there is a blood drive in your area, do you think it is something other than "the community" that is targeted? Good grief. Eisboch |
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"HK" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... thunder wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Shades of Lyndon Johnson. He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. *If* this article it to be believed, those military commanders should be fired, at the very least. http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640 The trouble with midlevel to senior military personnel is that they comprise a special interest group, and that interest is in keeping themselves and their buddies in uniform, and the apparatus well-oiled. I hear them on TV from time to time talking about how much they hate war, but I don't believe them. War swells the ranks, empties billets, and creates all sorts of promotional opportunities. I believe you believe that. What else could you possibly believe? Fortunately, you are in the extreme minority. I agree that they try to keep the "apparatus well-oiled". That's their job. Eisboch Keep the apparatus well-oiled also means keeping themselves in uniform. Fortunately. For you, too. Eisboch |
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Eisboch wrote:
"HK" wrote in message m... You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the concept of organizing. The operative word isn't "organizing". It's "community". Eisboch You have a problem with "community"? When there is a blood drive in your area, do you think it is something other than "the community" that is targeted? Good grief. Eisboch When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a community, organized by a community organizer? |
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"thunder" wrote in message t... On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:27:02 -0500, BAR wrote: http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640 You don't get to be a 4 star general officer without knowing a little bit about politics and making friends on Capital Hill and the various states with large military bases and defense contractors. And you don't get to stay a 4 Star by undermining your CIC. ;-) Personally, I don't understand the resistance to Obama's 16 month withdrawal. The Status of Forces agreement has us out of the cities by June, and out of Iraq in 36 months. Al-Maliki states an earlier withdrawal if OK by him. The Sunnis seemed concerned by our leaving, but there seems to be an effort to address their issues. I mean, Iraq is looking relatively stable, though fragile, and we can use the manpower in Afghanistan, where things look to be going downhill. My guess is that Petraeus and Gates feel Iraq's government is still too fragile and more time is needed. You can debate the reasons for being there, but we totally transformed Iraq's politics. It would be terrible to leave Iraq in chaos or to see lives lost in vain. Of course Harry thinks they just want to justify their jobs. Petraeus is also in charge of operations in Afghanistan. It seems reasonable to conclude that he would be anxious to wrap up operations in Iraq, focus on Afghanistan and maybe even catching Bin Laden. He'd be a national hero. So, there must be good reason for them to advise against too early of a pull out in Iraq. Eisboch |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:11:03 -0600, thunder
wrote: Personally, I don't understand the resistance to Obama's 16 month withdrawal. The Status of Forces agreement has us out of the cities by June, and out of Iraq in 36 months. Al-Maliki states an earlier withdrawal if OK by him. The Sunnis seemed concerned by our leaving, but there seems to be an effort to address their issues. I mean, Iraq is looking relatively stable, though fragile, and we can use the manpower in Afghanistan, where things look to be going downhill. Afghanistan will be President Obama's Vietnam. -- "All right everyone, line up alphabetically according to your height." Casey Stengel |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:29 -0500, HK wrote:
When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a community, organized by a community organizer? Ok, explain that. Seriously. -- "I intend to live forever. So far, so good." Steven Wright |
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"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message ... Afghanistan will be President Obama's Vietnam. I heard yesterday that Russia has offered us help in Afghanistan. Amazing the difference a few years makes. Eisboch |
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"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message ... On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:29 -0500, HK wrote: When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a community, organized by a community organizer? Ok, explain that. Seriously. The only contemporary person I can think of who would compare himself to Paul Revere or his associates is Rod Blagojevich. Eisboch |
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Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:11:03 -0600, thunder wrote: Personally, I don't understand the resistance to Obama's 16 month withdrawal. The Status of Forces agreement has us out of the cities by June, and out of Iraq in 36 months. Al-Maliki states an earlier withdrawal if OK by him. The Sunnis seemed concerned by our leaving, but there seems to be an effort to address their issues. I mean, Iraq is looking relatively stable, though fragile, and we can use the manpower in Afghanistan, where things look to be going downhill. Afghanistan will be President Obama's Vietnam. In Afghanistan you only control what you immediately occupy. Whoever you are you ride into town and raise hell and the towns people cower in fear. Then when your leave town the spit at you, curse you and wait for the next idiots to ride into town. Nobody rules Afghanistan as a whole. The Taliban didn't have control of the entire country when they were "in charge." |
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On Feb 5, 5:43*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "HK" wrote in message om... Tim wrote: On Feb 4, 10:45 am, wrote: On Feb 4, 11:19 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "HK" wrote in message ... US-IRAQ: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision Gareth Porter* Shades of Lyndon Johnson. *He didn't want to listen to his military commanders either. "I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...." Heh... The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than an executive. Well, we'll see - time will tell. -- "I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally." W.C. Fields Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded himself with criminals, what do you expect? When I think *of community organizers i automatically think of: http://fbuch.com/images/korda_che.jpg Or these guys: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b4/Che-mao.jpg You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the concept of organizing. The operative word isn't "organizing". * It's "community". Eisboch You have a problem with "community"? When there is a blood drive in your area, do you think it is something other than "the community" that is targeted? Mo. O have no problem with community effort. |
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:58:00 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: "Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:29 -0500, HK wrote: When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a community, organized by a community organizer? Ok, explain that. Seriously. The only contemporary person I can think of who would compare himself to Paul Revere or his associates is Rod Blagojevich. LOL |
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