On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:44:12 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


My guess is that Petraeus and Gates feel Iraq's government is still too
fragile and more time is needed.
You can debate the reasons for being there, but we totally transformed
Iraq's politics.
It would be terrible to leave Iraq in chaos or to see lives lost in
vain.

It's my understanding that it took a year to hammer out the Status of
Forces agreement, mainly because the Iraqis wanted us out quicker than we
wanted to go. Petraeus and Gates have done a good job, but perhaps the
Iraqis also know something about Iraq.

So, there must
be good reason for them to advise against too early of a pull out in
Iraq.

Maybe just being conservative? I mean that in a good way. ;-)

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:44:12 -0500, Eisboch wrote:


My guess is that Petraeus and Gates feel Iraq's government is still too
fragile and more time is needed.
You can debate the reasons for being there, but we totally transformed
Iraq's politics.
It would be terrible to leave Iraq in chaos or to see lives lost in
vain.

It's my understanding that it took a year to hammer out the Status of
Forces agreement, mainly because the Iraqis wanted us out quicker than we
wanted to go. Petraeus and Gates have done a good job, but perhaps the
Iraqis also know something about Iraq.

So, there must
be good reason for them to advise against too early of a pull out in
Iraq.

Maybe just being conservative? I mean that in a good way. ;-)


I think Petraeus is a smart and dedicated son-of-a-gun.
He doesn't want to forfeit the efforts of many.

Eisboch

On Feb 5, 7:02*am, Tim wrote:
On Feb 5, 5:43*am, HK wrote:



Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Tim wrote:
On Feb 4, 10:45 am, wrote:
On Feb 4, 11:19 am, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:

On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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US-IRAQ:
Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision
Gareth Porter*
Shades of Lyndon Johnson. *He didn't want to listen to his military
commanders either.
"I will not seek, nor will I accept my party's nomination ...."
Heh...
The more I see of Obama, the more I see a "community organizer" than
an executive.
Well, we'll see - time will tell.
--
"I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally."
W.C. Fields
Remember, the "community organizing" consisted of training voter
cheats for ACORN... When dems say "community organizer" they are
thinking more Al Capone than Martin L King... He has surrounded
himself with criminals, what do you expect?

When I think *of community organizers i automatically think of:

http://fbuch.com/images/korda_che.jpg

Or these guys:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...b4/Che-mao.jpg

You need to broaden your thinking. You don't seem to understand the
concept of organizing.

The operative word isn't "organizing". * It's "community".

Eisboch

You have a problem with "community"? When there is a blood drive in your
area, do you think it is something other than "the community" that is
targeted?

Mo. O have no problem with community effort.

Horrible typing skills! didn't know my had was off a notch.

"No. I have no problem with community effort"

On Feb 5, 6:58*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in messagenews:47olo4924a8repdapg6ab11c1uhc99i4mk@4ax .com...

On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:29 -0500, HK wrote:

When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you
think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a
community, organized by a community organizer?

Ok, explain that.

Seriously.

The only contemporary person I can think of who would compare himself to
Paul Revere or his associates is Rod Blagojevich.

Eisboch

HAHAHAHA!

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:11:03 -0600, thunder
wrote:

Personally, I don't understand the resistance to Obama's 16 month
withdrawal. The Status of Forces agreement has us out of the cities by
June, and out of Iraq in 36 months. Al-Maliki states an earlier
withdrawal if OK by him. The Sunnis seemed concerned by our leaving, but
there seems to be an effort to address their issues. I mean, Iraq is
looking relatively stable, though fragile, and we can use the manpower in
Afghanistan, where things look to be going downhill.

Afghanistan will be President Obama's Vietnam.



Gad, i love these pronouncements from Mt. Olympus. You're beginning to
sound like BAR. I thought you were a lot brighter.

On Feb 5, 6:42*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:48:11 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

Shades of Lyndon Johnson. *He didn't want to listen to his military
commanders either.

*If* this article it to be believed, those military commanders should
be fired, at the very least.

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=45640

The trouble with midlevel to senior military personnel is that they
comprise a special interest group, and that interest is in keeping
themselves and their buddies in uniform, and the apparatus well-oiled.
I hear them on TV from time to time talking about how much they hate
war, but I don't believe them. War swells the ranks, empties billets,
and creates all sorts of promotional opportunities.

I believe you believe that. *What else could you possibly believe?
Fortunately, you are in the extreme minority.

I agree that they try to keep the "apparatus well-oiled". *That's their
job.

Eisboch

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Kind of like union hacks, huh?

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:29 -0500, HK wrote:

When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you
think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a
community, organized by a community organizer?

Ok, explain that.

Seriously.

--

"I intend to live forever. So far, so good."

Steven Wright


Explain what? Who do you think went around to the townsfolk, saying,
"Hey...we need to form up a militia."

Who organized the townfolk to form a fire brigade?

Who got a city behind building a hospital?

These are all community organizer jobs. You may think such tasks are not
community organizing, but that is exactly what they are.

The problem here is that you righties are hung up on the phrase. You
have no idea of what it really means. Community organizing is simply
helping people with similar interests band together to achieve common goals.

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On Feb 5, 7:38*am, HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:29 -0500, HK wrote:

When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you
think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a
community, organized by a community organizer?

Ok, explain that.

Seriously.

--

"I intend to live forever. So far, so good."

Steven Wright

Explain what? Who do you think went around to the townsfolk, saying,
"Hey...we need to form up a militia."

Who organized the townfolk to form a fire brigade?

Who got a city behind building a hospital?

These are all community organizer jobs. You may think such tasks are not
community organizing, but that is exactly what they are.

The problem here is that you righties are hung up on the phrase. You
have no idea of what it really means. Community organizing is simply
helping people with similar interests band together to achieve common goals.

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That;s what I was talking about, Harry.

Here's community organizing at its finest...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...(original).jpg

Eisboch wrote:

"Wizard of Woodstock" wrote in message
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:29 -0500, HK wrote:

When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you
think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a
community, organized by a community organizer?

Ok, explain that.

Seriously.


The only contemporary person I can think of who would compare himself to
Paul Revere or his associates is Rod Blagojevich.

Eisboch

Oh, I'm sure there are other nut cases out there, like Harry, that would.

On Feb 5, 8:38*am, HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2009 07:29:29 -0500, HK wrote:

When Paul Revere took his ride to warn the brits were coming, do you
think those who took arms did so individually, or as part of a
community, organized by a community organizer?

Ok, explain that.

Seriously.

--

"I intend to live forever. So far, so good."

Steven Wright

Explain what? Who do you think went around to the townsfolk, saying,
"Hey...we need to form up a militia."

Who organized the townfolk to form a fire brigade?

Who got a city behind building a hospital?

These are all community organizer jobs. You may think such tasks are not
community organizing, but that is exactly what they are.

The problem here is that you righties are hung up on the phrase. You
have no idea of what it really means. Community organizing is simply
helping people with similar interests band together to achieve common goals.

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Ya'but... O's community organizing consisted of training ACORN crims
and securing them money to eventually elect him through voter fraud...