"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:24:05 -0500, "Eisboch"
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"jps" wrote in message
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I love how you use Obama's offer of diplomacy to belittle him. You'd
obviously prefer Bush's "dead or alive" approach.


Well, at least Bush offered an option. The Islamic fundamentalists simply
want you dead.

Eisboch

You give them little credit and I think that's short sighted. If you
lived in their part of the world, you'd undoubtedly have a different
perspective.

There are folks over there as moderate in their thinking as you are in
yours. You should try and lean into a little more and perhaps you'd
understand why they posture the way they do.

It's complicated, don't think you can get away with simplifying it to
a bumper sticker.

Bush's swashbuckling was a ruse. Time proved it.

Where's bin Laden now? "I don't know, I don't pay much attention to
him anymore." paraphrase of GW two years after he announced "dead or
alive."

He's as credible in their eyes as Ahmadinegad is in ours.


When I refer to Islamic fundamentalists, I am speaking of those who use
religion to teach kids from the time they can walk that it is their duty to
kill westerners, especially Israelis and Americans. Talking, teaching,
begging isn't going to change that for a very long time, if ever.

Hard, cruel lesson Number 1.

Eisboch

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:40:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:24:05 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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I love how you use Obama's offer of diplomacy to belittle him. You'd
obviously prefer Bush's "dead or alive" approach.


Well, at least Bush offered an option. The Islamic fundamentalists simply
want you dead.

Eisboch

You give them little credit and I think that's short sighted. If you
lived in their part of the world, you'd undoubtedly have a different
perspective.

There are folks over there as moderate in their thinking as you are in
yours. You should try and lean into a little more and perhaps you'd
understand why they posture the way they do.

It's complicated, don't think you can get away with simplifying it to
a bumper sticker.

Bush's swashbuckling was a ruse. Time proved it.

Where's bin Laden now? "I don't know, I don't pay much attention to
him anymore." paraphrase of GW two years after he announced "dead or
alive."

He's as credible in their eyes as Ahmadinegad is in ours.


When I refer to Islamic fundamentalists, I am speaking of those who use
religion to teach kids from the time they can walk that it is their duty to
kill westerners, especially Israelis and Americans. Talking, teaching,
begging isn't going to change that for a very long time, if ever.

Hard, cruel lesson Number 1.

Eisboch

They got that way from our disengagement. If we put money into
schools like bin Laden does, we'd be in a better position to influence
the situation.

We project our power through force instead of enlightenment.

Sound like a good policy for changing "the enemies" mind?

On Jan 28, 11:28*am, jps wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:40:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:







"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:24:05 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...

I love how you use Obama's offer of diplomacy to belittle him. *You'd
obviously prefer Bush's "dead or alive" approach.

Well, at least Bush offered an option. *The Islamic fundamentalists simply
want you dead.

Eisboch

You give them little credit and I think that's short sighted. *If you
lived in their part of the world, you'd undoubtedly have a different
perspective.

There are folks over there as moderate in their thinking as you are in
yours. *You should try and lean into a little more and perhaps you'd
understand why they posture the way they do.

It's complicated, don't think you can get away with simplifying it to
a bumper sticker.

Bush's swashbuckling was a ruse. *Time proved it.

Where's bin Laden now? *"I don't know, I don't pay much attention to
him anymore." *paraphrase of GW two years after he announced "dead or
alive."

He's as credible in their eyes as Ahmadinegad is in ours.

When I refer to Islamic fundamentalists, I am speaking of those who use
religion to teach kids from the time they can walk that it is their duty to
kill westerners, especially Israelis and Americans. * Talking, teaching,
begging isn't going to change that for a very long time, if ever.

Hard, cruel lesson Number 1.

Eisboch

They got that way from our disengagement. *If we put money into
schools like bin Laden does, we'd be in a better position to influence
the situation.

You are aware that we have rebuilt or opened hundreds of schools in
the middle east, and allowed millions of children, in particular
girls, to attend schools they could not before, right? You are either
dreadfully uninformed, or the facts don't really fit into your narrow
agenda...

We project our power through force instead of enlightenment.

See above.


Sound like a good policy for changing "the enemies" mind?

Irrelevant, based on false pretense...

On Jan 28, 11:37*am, wrote:
On Jan 28, 11:28*am, jps wrote:





On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:40:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:24:05 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...

I love how you use Obama's offer of diplomacy to belittle him. *You'd
obviously prefer Bush's "dead or alive" approach.

Well, at least Bush offered an option. *The Islamic fundamentalists simply
want you dead.

Eisboch

You give them little credit and I think that's short sighted. *If you
lived in their part of the world, you'd undoubtedly have a different
perspective.

There are folks over there as moderate in their thinking as you are in
yours. *You should try and lean into a little more and perhaps you'd
understand why they posture the way they do.

It's complicated, don't think you can get away with simplifying it to
a bumper sticker.

Bush's swashbuckling was a ruse. *Time proved it.

Where's bin Laden now? *"I don't know, I don't pay much attention to
him anymore." *paraphrase of GW two years after he announced "dead or
alive."

He's as credible in their eyes as Ahmadinegad is in ours.

When I refer to Islamic fundamentalists, I am speaking of those who use
religion to teach kids from the time they can walk that it is their duty to
kill westerners, especially Israelis and Americans. * Talking, teaching,
begging isn't going to change that for a very long time, if ever.

Hard, cruel lesson Number 1.

Eisboch

They got that way from our disengagement. *If we put money into
schools like bin Laden does, we'd be in a better position to influence
the situation.

You are aware that we have rebuilt or opened hundreds of schools in
the middle east, and allowed millions of children, in particular
girls, to attend schools they could not before, right? You are either
dreadfully uninformed, or the facts don't really fit into your narrow
agenda...



We project our power through force instead of enlightenment.

See above.



Sound like a good policy for changing "the enemies" mind?

Irrelevant, based on false pretense...- Hide quoted text -

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OOOPs, forgot he is pretending to filter me... Seems the way most far
lefties deal with questions, see Barakalypse and his actions during
the campaign and in the last few days...

"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:40:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:24:05 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
m...


I love how you use Obama's offer of diplomacy to belittle him. You'd
obviously prefer Bush's "dead or alive" approach.


Well, at least Bush offered an option. The Islamic fundamentalists
simply
want you dead.

Eisboch

You give them little credit and I think that's short sighted. If you
lived in their part of the world, you'd undoubtedly have a different
perspective.

There are folks over there as moderate in their thinking as you are in
yours. You should try and lean into a little more and perhaps you'd
understand why they posture the way they do.

It's complicated, don't think you can get away with simplifying it to
a bumper sticker.

Bush's swashbuckling was a ruse. Time proved it.

Where's bin Laden now? "I don't know, I don't pay much attention to
him anymore." paraphrase of GW two years after he announced "dead or
alive."

He's as credible in their eyes as Ahmadinegad is in ours.


When I refer to Islamic fundamentalists, I am speaking of those who use
religion to teach kids from the time they can walk that it is their duty
to
kill westerners, especially Israelis and Americans. Talking, teaching,
begging isn't going to change that for a very long time, if ever.

Hard, cruel lesson Number 1.

Eisboch

They got that way from our disengagement. If we put money into
schools like bin Laden does, we'd be in a better position to influence
the situation.

We project our power through force instead of enlightenment.

Sound like a good policy for changing "the enemies" mind?


I am afraid you are an idealistic, but unrealistic dreamer. Every country
on the face of this earth is out for themselves first, including us. It
would be nice to think otherwise and that handshakes, financial aid or
smiley faces can change that, but it won't happen.

Even some of the countries that we have supported for years will turn on us
in a moment if we back off on aid or other assistance programs.

Eisboch

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:43:31 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:40:08 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:24:05 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
om...


I love how you use Obama's offer of diplomacy to belittle him. You'd
obviously prefer Bush's "dead or alive" approach.


Well, at least Bush offered an option. The Islamic fundamentalists
simply
want you dead.

Eisboch

You give them little credit and I think that's short sighted. If you
lived in their part of the world, you'd undoubtedly have a different
perspective.

There are folks over there as moderate in their thinking as you are in
yours. You should try and lean into a little more and perhaps you'd
understand why they posture the way they do.

It's complicated, don't think you can get away with simplifying it to
a bumper sticker.

Bush's swashbuckling was a ruse. Time proved it.

Where's bin Laden now? "I don't know, I don't pay much attention to
him anymore." paraphrase of GW two years after he announced "dead or
alive."

He's as credible in their eyes as Ahmadinegad is in ours.


When I refer to Islamic fundamentalists, I am speaking of those who use
religion to teach kids from the time they can walk that it is their duty
to
kill westerners, especially Israelis and Americans. Talking, teaching,
begging isn't going to change that for a very long time, if ever.

Hard, cruel lesson Number 1.

Eisboch

They got that way from our disengagement. If we put money into
schools like bin Laden does, we'd be in a better position to influence
the situation.

We project our power through force instead of enlightenment.

Sound like a good policy for changing "the enemies" mind?


I am afraid you are an idealistic, but unrealistic dreamer. Every country
on the face of this earth is out for themselves first, including us. It
would be nice to think otherwise and that handshakes, financial aid or
smiley faces can change that, but it won't happen.

Even some of the countries that we have supported for years will turn on us
in a moment if we back off on aid or other assistance programs.

Eisboch

Not so sure about that Eisboch. Africa loves GW Bush for his courage
in helping address the aids epidemic. It took Bono and a number of
others but GW stepped up.

The rest of the world can't stand Bush, Africa loves him.

Is that instructive in any way?

"jps" wrote in message
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Not so sure about that Eisboch. Africa loves GW Bush for his courage
in helping address the aids epidemic. It took Bono and a number of
others but GW stepped up.

The rest of the world can't stand Bush, Africa loves him.

Is that instructive in any way?



Watch what happens when we stop giving money to address the aids epidemic.
One of our biggest problems is that we buy our friends.

Not to say it isn't a worthwhile and good thing to do, but the reality is
that we
have a lot of fair weather friends in this world and most of them are
friendly only if
there's something in it for them.

Hard, cruel lesson number 2.

Eisboch

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:51:12 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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Not so sure about that Eisboch. Africa loves GW Bush for his courage
in helping address the aids epidemic. It took Bono and a number of
others but GW stepped up.

The rest of the world can't stand Bush, Africa loves him.

Is that instructive in any way?



Watch what happens when we stop giving money to address the aids epidemic.
One of our biggest problems is that we buy our friends.

Not to say it isn't a worthwhile and good thing to do, but the reality is
that we
have a lot of fair weather friends in this world and most of them are
friendly only if
there's something in it for them.

Hard, cruel lesson number 2.

Eisboch

Saddam thought we were friends until we invaded. Thought the whole
thing was unbelievable based on our previous partnership.

We'll need to continue to buy our friends. Sometimes that can come in
the form of eradicating a disease, building a school, lending
technology for clean water.

I expect we could have bought a lot of friends for a small percentage
of what we spent in Iraq, leaving aside the value of all the lives we
squandered in that stupid war.