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On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:20:02 -0400, "Don White"
wrote: "Don White" wrote in message .. . "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message ... iPods are having an effect, but the bigger issue, I think, is lack of imagination and just plain balls in retailing. That's why this retailer keeps growing every year: http://www.rowephoto.com/index.html Mid to high quality audio, full service, well-trained staff with outrageous product knowledge. Began as a photo store 110 years ago. Added audio & video in the mid-1980s. The stores are always busy. In a sense, the owner built the business by responding to the big discounters with "So what?" Wegmans (grocery chain) does the same thing. Hopefully they will stay around because they are diversified. There used to be a couple of decent high-end audio shops around my area but they have all folded. The demand (or lack of) for quality equipment just doesn't pay the rent anymore. Even manufacturers of decent speakers are introducing lower performance, lower priced models of their equipment to be carried by places like Best Buy. It's too bad because people still spend a considerable amount of money for Best Buy's versions of Klipsch or Martin Logan thinking they are getting high end speakers. For a small amount more they could get the real thing. Eisboch Agree on Circuit City being crap. As to high end stores, some are probably better than others. We have one in Livermore. When I was going to put in a decent home theater system, went to them for a bid. They listened to what I wanted, and then just ignored it. The first bid was $10,000. About $8k above what I said my budget was. This did not include a TV, just the speakers and amp/ receiver. Do not know if they are around anymore either. Just a more expensive Circuit City. No one listening. Wow...your *bugdet* of $2K *demnded* a tv also? Big spender! Yikes... Sunday morning... should be *budget* and *demanded* Sunday?? |
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wrote in message ... The change over really re-invigorated my interest in composing, playing and recording music, which had atrophied the past few years. Buying new stuff is always fun, too. I'm currently looking for a drop dead deal on this: http://www.roland.com/products/en/TD-9KX/index.html check out the demo video! Unreal. The stuff they do now with DSP is simply amazing. My dad, who passed away about 8 years ago was an accomplished musician and playing in several bands. He would be blown away with the melding of digital electronics and signal processing with traditional instruments. Blows me away. Eisboch |
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"John H" wrote in message
... On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:36:29 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:31:19 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message m... On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:40:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:tOKdnSJgIZhGpezUnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@earthl ink.com... Circuit City to liquidate, shutter stores Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:08pm EST By Karen Jacobs and Emily Chasan ATLANTA/RICHMOND, Virginia (Reuters) - Bankrupt electronics retailer Circuit City Stores said on Friday it will liquidate its assets and shutter hundreds of U.S. stores after failing to reach a deal to sell the company. Good riddance. Circuit City was one of the worst retail stores for consumer electronics (or anything for that matter) that I can think of. Sales "associates" walking around with cell phones stuck in their ear, talking to friends or congregating in groups yuking it up while customers wait at the register to pay for purchases or need assistance. We had two in this area, one was in business for several years, the other relatively new. Both stores had the same cavalier culture when it came to the customers. Plus, typically they didn't know anything about the products they sold. Most were high school kids working after school. At least Best Buy has some trained sales associates that know something about what they sell. For the market it was supposed to serve, Circuit City was no better than a Target or Wal-Mart. I am surprised they stayed in business as long as they did, economic slowdown or no economic slowdown. Eisboch I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in the fact that companies are going out of business. Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had employees who had jobs, even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest of liberals that the unemployed numbers grow larger? I'm missing something somewhere. Yes, you are missing something, and so is Harry. Circuit City was in bad shape way before the economy went down the toilet. There are badly run businesses and there are well run businesses. Capitalism is based on competition - the survival of the fittest. Circuit City deserved to die. I feel bad for their employees, but hopefully, a few of them will learn a lesson from their experience. Probably not, though, because their managers expected to make money for doing pretty much nothing special, so they were lousy role models. When I was in the audio business, we expected new employees to learn every piece of equipment in the store. On slow days, we'd send them to the upstairs office during lunch with a receiver or whatever, and told them to learn it until they could work it blindfolded. If there were no customers, we'd stick them in the sound room and tell them to listen hard to all the speakers until they could describe the differences adequately. We made them study, in other words. We all took home demo pieces overnight to learning purposes. A friend from those days is now an independent sales trainer. He said "no" to working for CC after one disturbing experience. He played customer & called our local store, asking if they had a certain Harmon Kardon receiver in stock. The employee told him they didn't carry Harmon Kardon. My friend knew, of course, that they carried HK, and several HK items had been featured in their Sunday newspaper ad that same week. When he told their regional manager about his experience, the guy pretty much yawned and said "That's why we want you to do training for us." My friend said no thanks, figuring that if the employees didn't care enough to walk around their own store and see what brands they carried, sales training was the least of their problems. Even worse was that the manager didn't have clue about the real problem. The only advantage CC offered me was the ability to order online and pick up an item at the store. That's pretty expensive real estate for what amounts to nothing but a warehouse. Meanwhile, we have the perfect model of capitalism here. Maybe Rochester customers have high expectations because of this company: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3795 http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1124/166_print.html http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...4048/index.htm Doug, it's not the focus on CC that prompted my question. It's the posting of any article which discusses the problems companies are having, and the gloating that occurs therewith. *That's* what I don't understand. Why take pleasure in the fact that companies (any company) is going out of business? Because it represents the potential for an improvement in the industry. But, I realize that's idealistic at best. We get what we deserve, so as long as there are customers who think a $3.99 bottle of detergent is cheaper at one store than the exact same $3.99 bottle at another store, because the first store yells "We're cheaper!" all the time, then we will always have bad retailers around. Survival of the fittest...OK. So it's actually a 'pro-corporation' attitude that causes the gleeful publication and comments whenever a corporation is hurting or going out of business. Then the loss of all these jobs due to the congressional initiated recession is actually 'good' for corporations. Makes sense to me. I know a half dozen people who got downsized out of Kodak over the last 10 years and said it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to them. You never know. |
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"John H" wrote in message
... On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in the fact that companies are going out of business. Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had employees who had jobs, even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest of liberals that the unemployed numbers grow larger? I'm missing something somewhere. Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the lack of quality of their service, products or internal culture. In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway. The economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. Eisboch Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du jour'. Harry, or other liberals, continuously post articles of companies losing money or going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you so' comments. That's what I can't understand. What is there about companies going out of business that brings joy to the heart of a liberal? Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'? I don't know what Harry's thinking, but there's no glee in my comments. I'm simply pointing out that this is capitalism at work, and that in *some* markets (read "communities"), it may be good for the audio biz and its customers. There's nothing happy or sad about cold facts, unless you're bored and you need to twist things around. |
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:36:29 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:31:19 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:40:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:tOKdnSJgIZhGpezUnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@earthli nk.com... Circuit City to liquidate, shutter stores Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:08pm EST By Karen Jacobs and Emily Chasan ATLANTA/RICHMOND, Virginia (Reuters) - Bankrupt electronics retailer Circuit City Stores said on Friday it will liquidate its assets and shutter hundreds of U.S. stores after failing to reach a deal to sell the company. Good riddance. Circuit City was one of the worst retail stores for consumer electronics (or anything for that matter) that I can think of. Sales "associates" walking around with cell phones stuck in their ear, talking to friends or congregating in groups yuking it up while customers wait at the register to pay for purchases or need assistance. We had two in this area, one was in business for several years, the other relatively new. Both stores had the same cavalier culture when it came to the customers. Plus, typically they didn't know anything about the products they sold. Most were high school kids working after school. At least Best Buy has some trained sales associates that know something about what they sell. For the market it was supposed to serve, Circuit City was no better than a Target or Wal-Mart. I am surprised they stayed in business as long as they did, economic slowdown or no economic slowdown. Eisboch I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in the fact that companies are going out of business. Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had employees who had jobs, even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest of liberals that the unemployed numbers grow larger? I'm missing something somewhere. Yes, you are missing something, and so is Harry. Circuit City was in bad shape way before the economy went down the toilet. There are badly run businesses and there are well run businesses. Capitalism is based on competition - the survival of the fittest. Circuit City deserved to die. I feel bad for their employees, but hopefully, a few of them will learn a lesson from their experience. Probably not, though, because their managers expected to make money for doing pretty much nothing special, so they were lousy role models. When I was in the audio business, we expected new employees to learn every piece of equipment in the store. On slow days, we'd send them to the upstairs office during lunch with a receiver or whatever, and told them to learn it until they could work it blindfolded. If there were no customers, we'd stick them in the sound room and tell them to listen hard to all the speakers until they could describe the differences adequately. We made them study, in other words. We all took home demo pieces overnight to learning purposes. A friend from those days is now an independent sales trainer. He said "no" to working for CC after one disturbing experience. He played customer & called our local store, asking if they had a certain Harmon Kardon receiver in stock. The employee told him they didn't carry Harmon Kardon. My friend knew, of course, that they carried HK, and several HK items had been featured in their Sunday newspaper ad that same week. When he told their regional manager about his experience, the guy pretty much yawned and said "That's why we want you to do training for us." My friend said no thanks, figuring that if the employees didn't care enough to walk around their own store and see what brands they carried, sales training was the least of their problems. Even worse was that the manager didn't have clue about the real problem. The only advantage CC offered me was the ability to order online and pick up an item at the store. That's pretty expensive real estate for what amounts to nothing but a warehouse. Meanwhile, we have the perfect model of capitalism here. Maybe Rochester customers have high expectations because of this company: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3795 http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1124/166_print.html http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...4048/index.htm Doug, it's not the focus on CC that prompted my question. It's the posting of any article which discusses the problems companies are having, and the gloating that occurs therewith. *That's* what I don't understand. Why take pleasure in the fact that companies (any company) is going out of business? Because it represents the potential for an improvement in the industry. But, I realize that's idealistic at best. We get what we deserve, so as long as there are customers who think a $3.99 bottle of detergent is cheaper at one store than the exact same $3.99 bottle at another store, because the first store yells "We're cheaper!" all the time, then we will always have bad retailers around. Survival of the fittest...OK. So it's actually a 'pro-corporation' attitude that causes the gleeful publication and comments whenever a corporation is hurting or going out of business. Then the loss of all these jobs due to the congressional initiated recession is actually 'good' for corporations. Makes sense to me. |
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On Jan 17, 9:46*am, John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:36:29 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:31:19 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:40:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:tOKdnSJgIZhGpezUnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@earthli nk.com... Circuit City to liquidate, shutter stores Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:08pm EST By Karen Jacobs and Emily Chasan ATLANTA/RICHMOND, Virginia (Reuters) - Bankrupt electronics retailer Circuit City Stores said on Friday it will liquidate its assets and shutter hundreds of U.S. stores after failing to reach a deal to sell the company. Good riddance. *Circuit City was one of the worst retail stores for consumer electronics (or anything for that matter) *that I can think of. * Sales "associates" walking around with cell phones stuck in their ear, talking to friends or congregating in groups yuking it up while customers wait at the register to pay for purchases or need assistance. *We had two in this area, one was in business for several years, the other relatively new. *Both stores had the same cavalier culture when it came to the customers. Plus, typically they didn't know anything about the products they sold. Most were high school kids working after school. *At least Best Buy has some trained sales associates that know something about what they sell. *For the market it was supposed to serve, Circuit City was no better than a Target or Wal-Mart. I am surprised they stayed in business as long as they did, economic slowdown or no economic slowdown. Eisboch I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in the fact that companies are going out of business. Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had employees who had jobs, even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest of liberals that the unemployed numbers grow larger? I'm missing something somewhere. Yes, you are missing something, and so is Harry. Circuit City was in bad shape way before the economy went down the toilet. There are badly run businesses and there are well run businesses. Capitalism is based on competition - the survival of the fittest. Circuit City deserved to die. I feel bad for their employees, but hopefully, a few of them will learn a lesson from their experience. Probably not, though, because their managers expected to make money for doing pretty much nothing special, so they were lousy role models. When I was in the audio business, we expected new employees to learn every piece of equipment in the store. On slow days, we'd send them to the upstairs office during lunch with a receiver or whatever, and told them to learn it until they could work it blindfolded. If there were no customers, we'd stick them in the sound room and tell them to listen hard to all the speakers until they could describe the differences adequately. We made them study, in other words. We all took home demo pieces overnight to learning purposes. A friend from those days is now an independent sales trainer. He said "no" to working for CC after one disturbing experience. He played customer & called our local store, asking if they had a certain Harmon Kardon receiver in stock. The employee told him they didn't carry Harmon Kardon. My friend knew, of course, that they carried HK, and several HK items had been featured in their Sunday newspaper ad that same week. When he told their regional manager about his experience, the guy pretty much yawned and said "That's why we want you to do training for us." My friend said no thanks, figuring that if the employees didn't care enough to walk around their own store and see what brands they carried, sales training was the least of their problems. Even worse was that the manager didn't have clue about the real problem. The only advantage CC offered me was the ability to order online and pick up an item at the store. That's pretty expensive real estate for what amounts to nothing but a warehouse. Meanwhile, we have the perfect model of capitalism here. Maybe Rochester customers have high expectations because of this company: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3795 http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1124/166_print.html http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...2005/01/24/823.... Doug, it's not the focus on CC that prompted my question. It's the posting of any article which discusses the problems companies are having, and the gloating that occurs therewith. *That's* what I don't understand. Why take pleasure in the fact that companies (any company) is going out of business? Because it represents the potential for an improvement in the industry. But, I realize that's idealistic at best. We get what we deserve, so as long as there are customers who think a $3.99 bottle of detergent is cheaper at one store than the exact same $3.99 bottle at another store, because the first store yells "We're cheaper!" all the time, then we will always have bad retailers around. Survival of the fittest...OK. So it's actually a 'pro-corporation' attitude that causes the gleeful publication and comments whenever a corporation is hurting or going out of business. Then the loss of all these jobs due to the congressional initiated recession is actually 'good' for corporations. Makes sense to me.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't let Harrys Bush Derangement get to you, all liberals aren't happy about folks loosing jobs... |
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On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:44:16 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "John H" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:36:29 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:31:19 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "John H" wrote in message om... On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:40:58 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "hk" wrote in message news:tOKdnSJgIZhGpezUnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@earth link.com... Circuit City to liquidate, shutter stores Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:08pm EST By Karen Jacobs and Emily Chasan ATLANTA/RICHMOND, Virginia (Reuters) - Bankrupt electronics retailer Circuit City Stores said on Friday it will liquidate its assets and shutter hundreds of U.S. stores after failing to reach a deal to sell the company. Good riddance. Circuit City was one of the worst retail stores for consumer electronics (or anything for that matter) that I can think of. Sales "associates" walking around with cell phones stuck in their ear, talking to friends or congregating in groups yuking it up while customers wait at the register to pay for purchases or need assistance. We had two in this area, one was in business for several years, the other relatively new. Both stores had the same cavalier culture when it came to the customers. Plus, typically they didn't know anything about the products they sold. Most were high school kids working after school. At least Best Buy has some trained sales associates that know something about what they sell. For the market it was supposed to serve, Circuit City was no better than a Target or Wal-Mart. I am surprised they stayed in business as long as they did, economic slowdown or no economic slowdown. Eisboch I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in the fact that companies are going out of business. Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had employees who had jobs, even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest of liberals that the unemployed numbers grow larger? I'm missing something somewhere. Yes, you are missing something, and so is Harry. Circuit City was in bad shape way before the economy went down the toilet. There are badly run businesses and there are well run businesses. Capitalism is based on competition - the survival of the fittest. Circuit City deserved to die. I feel bad for their employees, but hopefully, a few of them will learn a lesson from their experience. Probably not, though, because their managers expected to make money for doing pretty much nothing special, so they were lousy role models. When I was in the audio business, we expected new employees to learn every piece of equipment in the store. On slow days, we'd send them to the upstairs office during lunch with a receiver or whatever, and told them to learn it until they could work it blindfolded. If there were no customers, we'd stick them in the sound room and tell them to listen hard to all the speakers until they could describe the differences adequately. We made them study, in other words. We all took home demo pieces overnight to learning purposes. A friend from those days is now an independent sales trainer. He said "no" to working for CC after one disturbing experience. He played customer & called our local store, asking if they had a certain Harmon Kardon receiver in stock. The employee told him they didn't carry Harmon Kardon. My friend knew, of course, that they carried HK, and several HK items had been featured in their Sunday newspaper ad that same week. When he told their regional manager about his experience, the guy pretty much yawned and said "That's why we want you to do training for us." My friend said no thanks, figuring that if the employees didn't care enough to walk around their own store and see what brands they carried, sales training was the least of their problems. Even worse was that the manager didn't have clue about the real problem. The only advantage CC offered me was the ability to order online and pick up an item at the store. That's pretty expensive real estate for what amounts to nothing but a warehouse. Meanwhile, we have the perfect model of capitalism here. Maybe Rochester customers have high expectations because of this company: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3795 http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1124/166_print.html http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortu...4048/index.htm Doug, it's not the focus on CC that prompted my question. It's the posting of any article which discusses the problems companies are having, and the gloating that occurs therewith. *That's* what I don't understand. Why take pleasure in the fact that companies (any company) is going out of business? Because it represents the potential for an improvement in the industry. But, I realize that's idealistic at best. We get what we deserve, so as long as there are customers who think a $3.99 bottle of detergent is cheaper at one store than the exact same $3.99 bottle at another store, because the first store yells "We're cheaper!" all the time, then we will always have bad retailers around. Survival of the fittest...OK. So it's actually a 'pro-corporation' attitude that causes the gleeful publication and comments whenever a corporation is hurting or going out of business. Then the loss of all these jobs due to the congressional initiated recession is actually 'good' for corporations. Makes sense to me. I know a half dozen people who got downsized out of Kodak over the last 10 years and said it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to them. You never know. Good to hear. My BIL just lost his job at a big appliance store in Richmond. The company is going from three stores to one and doesn't need the management people. Two days later he got a call from the owner of a 'high end' appliance shop. Hired him at a slightly less salary, but with a much better outlook. |
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John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "John H" wrote in message ... I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in the fact that companies are going out of business. Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had employees who had jobs, even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest of liberals that the unemployed numbers grow larger? I'm missing something somewhere. Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the lack of quality of their service, products or internal culture. In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway. The economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. Eisboch Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du jour'. Harry, or other liberals, continuously post articles of companies losing money or going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you so' comments. That's what I can't understand. What is there about companies going out of business that brings joy to the heart of a liberal? Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'? It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation going bankrupt and putting 30,000 people on the unemployment line. The people who suffer the most are the 30,000 people on the unemployment line not the executives of the company. |
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"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... Yikes... Sunday morning... should be *budget* and *demanded* Check your watch. It's Saturday. Eisboch mmmm.. hee hee...I'd better get a job or something... I'm losing contact with reality. My Swiss Army watch isn't much help...it thinks today is the 16th. The analog type watch gets mixed up between 30 and 31 day months not to mention a short month like February. |
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On Jan 17, 9:59*am, BAR wrote:
John H wrote: On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "John H" wrote in message . .. I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in the fact that companies are going out of business. Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had employees who had jobs, even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest of liberals that the unemployed numbers grow larger? I'm missing something somewhere. Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the lack of quality of their service, products or internal culture. In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway. *The economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. Eisboch Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du jour'. Harry, or other liberals, continuously post articles of companies losing money or going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you so' comments. That's what I can't understand. What is there about companies going out of business that brings joy to the heart of a liberal? Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'? It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation going bankrupt and putting 30,000 people on the unemployment line. The people who suffer the most are the 30,000 people on the unemployment line not the executives of the company.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Harry sees this as an opportunity for the very far loonie left to take power and force changes down the throats of Americans that they have defeated in the voting booth for decades... It's the elitist method of rule, what's good for them, should be fine with the rest of us. |
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