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[email protected] January 18th 09 02:26 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Jan 18, 8:28*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
om...


I remember Geoworks...at least the name. Not much else.


Geoworks came out around the same time as Windows 3.0 and was a similar
GUI interface.


I think the original Apple computers had the first mouse driven "click"
to navigate type GUI OS and Geoworks was an attempt at a PC version


Last I knew, Geoworks was still around but not doing this type of
program software development.


Eisboch


When I was about to buy my first pc, IBM and Apple had just come out
with competing models...the Apple Macintosh I think it was called.
Anyway, I looked at both, and decided against the Apple because the
company was charging extra for add-on numeric keyboard and the numerics
were part of the standard IBM keyboard.

My first pc came with WordStar. I hated it. Fortunately, a few days
later, I stopped by the computer store to whine, and the sales guy gave
me something called Volkswriter. It was *the* word processor for
computer newbies like me. Great little word processor. Had a
clackety-clack daisywheel printer and a real slow Hayes modem.

Now, as my crepitude approaches, I have pulled my PC desktop out of
service to set it up as a server and for the moment I am using my Apple
Mac as both a Mac and a PC. I need the PC mode because for a couple of
the software packages I use, there are no Mac counterparts. One of these
happens to be the software for my Garmin chart plotter. Most of the
software suites, though, work about the same on Macs and PCs. Some of
the Mac software is a bit more ergonomic than the PC software.

As soon as I get around to it, I'll be setting up an Apple desktop machine.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You keep talking about your "server". Don't you mean back up computer?
What software are you running on this so called server?

Eisboch[_4_] January 18th 09 02:33 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 

"HK" wrote in message
...


My first pc came with WordStar. I hated it. Fortunately, a few days later,
I stopped by the computer store to whine, and the sales guy gave me
something called Volkswriter. It was *the* word processor for computer
newbies like me. Great little word processor. Had a clackety-clack
daisywheel printer and a real slow Hayes modem.



My first word processor was a Magnavox VideoWriter, purchased in the late
1980s.

It was a dedicated word processing machine with built-in printer. Even had
a spell check.
I wrote many proposals and reports on it before finally getting a real PC
.... the Laser Pal 286.

I gave the VideoWriter away. I shouldn't have. They have become a
collectible item and have a weird, cult following.

http://www.eisboch.com/mvw.JPG

Eisboch


hk January 18th 09 02:41 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:28 am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
I remember Geoworks...at least the name. Not much else.
Geoworks came out around the same time as Windows 3.0 and was a similar
GUI interface.
I think the original Apple computers had the first mouse driven "click"
to navigate type GUI OS and Geoworks was an attempt at a PC version
Last I knew, Geoworks was still around but not doing this type of
program software development.
Eisboch

When I was about to buy my first pc, IBM and Apple had just come out
with competing models...the Apple Macintosh I think it was called.
Anyway, I looked at both, and decided against the Apple because the
company was charging extra for add-on numeric keyboard and the numerics
were part of the standard IBM keyboard.

My first pc came with WordStar. I hated it. Fortunately, a few days
later, I stopped by the computer store to whine, and the sales guy gave
me something called Volkswriter. It was *the* word processor for
computer newbies like me. Great little word processor. Had a
clackety-clack daisywheel printer and a real slow Hayes modem.

Now, as my crepitude approaches, I have pulled my PC desktop out of
service to set it up as a server and for the moment I am using my Apple
Mac as both a Mac and a PC. I need the PC mode because for a couple of
the software packages I use, there are no Mac counterparts. One of these
happens to be the software for my Garmin chart plotter. Most of the
software suites, though, work about the same on Macs and PCs. Some of
the Mac software is a bit more ergonomic than the PC software.

As soon as I get around to it, I'll be setting up an Apple desktop machine.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You keep talking about your "server". Don't you mean back up computer?
What software are you running on this so called server?


I don't need a "back up computer." I have an HP MediaSmart Server, which
runs MS's Windows Home Server software, does automatic backups, and runs
a distribution system for movies, music, et cetera.

I'm not running any software on my future server. I haven't set it up
yet. I'm in the process of cleaning it up, doing a couple of hardware
upgrades, et cetera. It still has a copy of VISTA on it. Why are you so
interested in this?

John H[_8_] January 18th 09 02:43 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 06:26:47 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 18, 8:28*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
om...


I remember Geoworks...at least the name. Not much else.


Geoworks came out around the same time as Windows 3.0 and was a similar
GUI interface.


I think the original Apple computers had the first mouse driven "click"
to navigate type GUI OS and Geoworks was an attempt at a PC version


Last I knew, Geoworks was still around but not doing this type of
program software development.


Eisboch


When I was about to buy my first pc, IBM and Apple had just come out
with competing models...the Apple Macintosh I think it was called.
Anyway, I looked at both, and decided against the Apple because the
company was charging extra for add-on numeric keyboard and the numerics
were part of the standard IBM keyboard.

My first pc came with WordStar. I hated it. Fortunately, a few days
later, I stopped by the computer store to whine, and the sales guy gave
me something called Volkswriter. It was *the* word processor for
computer newbies like me. Great little word processor. Had a
clackety-clack daisywheel printer and a real slow Hayes modem.

Now, as my crepitude approaches, I have pulled my PC desktop out of
service to set it up as a server and for the moment I am using my Apple
Mac as both a Mac and a PC. I need the PC mode because for a couple of
the software packages I use, there are no Mac counterparts. One of these
happens to be the software for my Garmin chart plotter. Most of the
software suites, though, work about the same on Macs and PCs. Some of
the Mac software is a bit more ergonomic than the PC software.

As soon as I get around to it, I'll be setting up an Apple desktop machine.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You keep talking about your "server". Don't you mean back up computer?
What software are you running on this so called server?


Harry provides the backbone of the Cox Cable System.


--
* Procrastinate Now! *

John H

[email protected] January 18th 09 02:48 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Jan 18, 9:41*am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:28 am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
news:FqmdnevrffQ8gO7UnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@earthlink .com...
I remember Geoworks...at least the name. Not much else.
Geoworks came out around the same time as Windows 3.0 and was a similar
GUI interface.
I think the original Apple computers had the first mouse driven "click"
to navigate type GUI OS and Geoworks was an attempt at a PC version
Last I knew, Geoworks was still around but not doing this type of
program software development.
Eisboch
When I was about to buy my first pc, IBM and Apple had just come out
with competing models...the Apple Macintosh I think it was called.
Anyway, I looked at both, and decided against the Apple because the
company was charging extra for add-on numeric keyboard and the numerics
were part of the standard IBM keyboard.


My first pc came with WordStar. I hated it. Fortunately, a few days
later, I stopped by the computer store to whine, and the sales guy gave
me something called Volkswriter. It was *the* word processor for
computer newbies like me. Great little word processor. Had a
clackety-clack daisywheel printer and a real slow Hayes modem.


Now, as my crepitude approaches, I have pulled my PC desktop out of
service to set it up as a server and for the moment I am using my Apple
Mac as both a Mac and a PC. I need the PC mode because for a couple of
the software packages I use, there are no Mac counterparts. One of these
happens to be the software for my Garmin chart plotter. Most of the
software suites, though, work about the same on Macs and PCs. Some of
the Mac software is a bit more ergonomic than the PC software.


As soon as I get around to it, I'll be setting up an Apple desktop machine.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


You keep talking about your "server". Don't you mean back up computer?
What software are you running on this so called server?


I don't need a "back up computer." I have an HP MediaSmart Server, which
runs MS's Windows Home Server software, does automatic backups, and runs
a distribution system for movies, music, et cetera.

I'm not running any software on my future server. I haven't set it up
yet. I'm in the process of cleaning it up, doing a couple of hardware
upgrades, et cetera. It still has a copy of VISTA on it. Why are you so
interested in this?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Pfffttt..... google, google, google...... Windoze hero;)

hk January 18th 09 03:39 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
wrote:
On Jan 18, 9:41 am, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:28 am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
m...
I remember Geoworks...at least the name. Not much else.
Geoworks came out around the same time as Windows 3.0 and was a similar
GUI interface.
I think the original Apple computers had the first mouse driven "click"
to navigate type GUI OS and Geoworks was an attempt at a PC version
Last I knew, Geoworks was still around but not doing this type of
program software development.
Eisboch
When I was about to buy my first pc, IBM and Apple had just come out
with competing models...the Apple Macintosh I think it was called.
Anyway, I looked at both, and decided against the Apple because the
company was charging extra for add-on numeric keyboard and the numerics
were part of the standard IBM keyboard.
My first pc came with WordStar. I hated it. Fortunately, a few days
later, I stopped by the computer store to whine, and the sales guy gave
me something called Volkswriter. It was *the* word processor for
computer newbies like me. Great little word processor. Had a
clackety-clack daisywheel printer and a real slow Hayes modem.
Now, as my crepitude approaches, I have pulled my PC desktop out of
service to set it up as a server and for the moment I am using my Apple
Mac as both a Mac and a PC. I need the PC mode because for a couple of
the software packages I use, there are no Mac counterparts. One of these
happens to be the software for my Garmin chart plotter. Most of the
software suites, though, work about the same on Macs and PCs. Some of
the Mac software is a bit more ergonomic than the PC software.
As soon as I get around to it, I'll be setting up an Apple desktop machine.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You keep talking about your "server". Don't you mean back up computer?
What software are you running on this so called server?

I don't need a "back up computer." I have an HP MediaSmart Server, which
runs MS's Windows Home Server software, does automatic backups, and runs
a distribution system for movies, music, et cetera.

I'm not running any software on my future server. I haven't set it up
yet. I'm in the process of cleaning it up, doing a couple of hardware
upgrades, et cetera. It still has a copy of VISTA on it. Why are you so
interested in this?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Pfffttt..... google, google, google...... Windoze hero;)



You really are a drooling idiot.

SmallBoats.com[_2_] January 18th 09 04:25 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...


If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive.
You'd have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity.
That's a lot more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to
get to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having
a PAL 286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became
very frugal with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy
disk so the hard drive had room for programs. Its a habit I
still have, even though my newest computer has a 320Gb drive plus
an additional backup drive. I keep it squeaky clean of misc.
stuff that I really don't need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running out
of space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my
hands on an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive,
but I think it was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?


Compupro '286, so it was running an Intel 80286. Hell this was more
than 20 years ago, fella, when you were still puking beer into your
jockey shorts after standing guard outside the portipotty at the
marine barracks.

Ever see a Compupro? Big, heavy box.

What OS did you run on this Compupro '286?



DR's CP/M-86, licensed to Compupro.

But...there was a bootleg MS OS around, too. It sorta ran an early
version of Flight Simulator. You could boot the MS OS from a floppy.

I don't remember a whole lot more. It wasn't "my" Compupro, it was an
editorial review model that I had for about six months. It was a beast.




I remember a version of Flight Simulator than ran from a floppy on the
pre-286 machines (forget the nomenclature). The "airplane" was nothing
more than a cross and there really wasn't any terrain to speak of.

BTW, the Laser Pal 286 computers I had (the first computers I had in the
company) ran on DOS 4.1 and were loaded with the GeoWorks Ensemble and
Prodigy using a 2400-baud modem.
The GeoWorks Ensemble was a Windows-like program that included a
wordprocesser, a spreadsheet and something else that I can't remember.

Processor speed was either 8 or 12 MHz (no typo), depending on the
position of a "turbo" button.
It seems that 12 MHz was too fast for some of the software of the day.
It had 640k (that's "k") of memory with an additional 384K of
"extended" memory.

Drives: 5 1/4-inch 1.2MB floppy, 3 1/2-inch 1.44MB floppy, 42MB hard

With monitor, it was just under $2000.

Eisboch


Yeah, the first one we brought home was a Packard Bell, 20 mb hdd,
1.2mb-5 1/4" floppy, and a 12 baud modem.. Think it ran Dos 3.0 or
something like that.. Can't remember the name of the system we had
before that, it was some kind of game system based thing iirc...
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SmallBoats.com[_2_] January 18th 09 04:27 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...


If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive.
You'd have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity.
That's a lot more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to
get to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having
a PAL 286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became
very frugal with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy
disk so the hard drive had room for programs. Its a habit I
still have, even though my newest computer has a 320Gb drive
plus an additional backup drive. I keep it squeaky clean of
misc. stuff that I really don't need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running
out of space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my
hands on an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive,
but I think it was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?


Compupro '286, so it was running an Intel 80286. Hell this was more
than 20 years ago, fella, when you were still puking beer into your
jockey shorts after standing guard outside the portipotty at the
marine barracks.

Ever see a Compupro? Big, heavy box.

What OS did you run on this Compupro '286?


DR's CP/M-86, licensed to Compupro.

But...there was a bootleg MS OS around, too. It sorta ran an early
version of Flight Simulator. You could boot the MS OS from a floppy.

I don't remember a whole lot more. It wasn't "my" Compupro, it was an
editorial review model that I had for about six months. It was a beast.




I remember a version of Flight Simulator than ran from a floppy on the
pre-286 machines (forget the nomenclature). The "airplane" was
nothing more than a cross and there really wasn't any terrain to speak
of.

BTW, the Laser Pal 286 computers I had (the first computers I had in
the company) ran on DOS 4.1 and were loaded with the GeoWorks Ensemble
and Prodigy using a 2400-baud modem.
The GeoWorks Ensemble was a Windows-like program that included a
wordprocesser, a spreadsheet and something else that I can't remember.

Processor speed was either 8 or 12 MHz (no typo), depending on the
position of a "turbo" button.
It seems that 12 MHz was too fast for some of the software of the
day. It had 640k (that's "k") of memory with an additional 384K of
"extended" memory.

Drives: 5 1/4-inch 1.2MB floppy, 3 1/2-inch 1.44MB floppy, 42MB hard

With monitor, it was just under $2000.

Eisboch


Yeah, the first one we brought home was a Packard Bell, 20 mb hdd,
1.2mb-5 1/4" floppy, and a 12 baud modem.. Think it ran Dos 3.0 or
something like that.. Can't remember the name of the system we had
before that, it was some kind of game system based thing iirc...


Oh yeah, the Pac Bell was an 8086 iirc...
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hk January 18th 09 04:29 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...


If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive.
You'd have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity.
That's a lot more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to
get to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having
a PAL 286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became
very frugal with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy
disk so the hard drive had room for programs. Its a habit I
still have, even though my newest computer has a 320Gb drive
plus an additional backup drive. I keep it squeaky clean of
misc. stuff that I really don't need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running
out of space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my
hands on an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive,
but I think it was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?


Compupro '286, so it was running an Intel 80286. Hell this was more
than 20 years ago, fella, when you were still puking beer into your
jockey shorts after standing guard outside the portipotty at the
marine barracks.

Ever see a Compupro? Big, heavy box.

What OS did you run on this Compupro '286?


DR's CP/M-86, licensed to Compupro.

But...there was a bootleg MS OS around, too. It sorta ran an early
version of Flight Simulator. You could boot the MS OS from a floppy.

I don't remember a whole lot more. It wasn't "my" Compupro, it was an
editorial review model that I had for about six months. It was a beast.




I remember a version of Flight Simulator than ran from a floppy on the
pre-286 machines (forget the nomenclature). The "airplane" was
nothing more than a cross and there really wasn't any terrain to speak
of.

BTW, the Laser Pal 286 computers I had (the first computers I had in
the company) ran on DOS 4.1 and were loaded with the GeoWorks Ensemble
and Prodigy using a 2400-baud modem.
The GeoWorks Ensemble was a Windows-like program that included a
wordprocesser, a spreadsheet and something else that I can't remember.

Processor speed was either 8 or 12 MHz (no typo), depending on the
position of a "turbo" button.
It seems that 12 MHz was too fast for some of the software of the
day. It had 640k (that's "k") of memory with an additional 384K of
"extended" memory.

Drives: 5 1/4-inch 1.2MB floppy, 3 1/2-inch 1.44MB floppy, 42MB hard

With monitor, it was just under $2000.

Eisboch


Yeah, the first one we brought home was a Packard Bell, 20 mb hdd,
1.2mb-5 1/4" floppy, and a 12 baud modem.. Think it ran Dos 3.0 or
something like that.. Can't remember the name of the system we had
before that, it was some kind of game system based thing iirc..



-----------------




Gee...and I thought my 300 bps modem was slow. A 12 baud modem?
Some network guru you are.

Steve January 18th 09 07:43 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 

On 16-Jan-2009, hk wrote:

Who needs WMDs to take down the United States?


WMD's would save money and make it less painless. Without WMD's, 65% of
"Americans" still have to send their depressed wages to Asian countries for
cars, 99% of them have to send the remainder of their declining wages to red
China, Viet Nam and other 3rd world sink holes for their less expensive
household items and wardrobe. With this behavior ongoing for 30 years,
however, it won't take long (1, 1.5 years?) to complete the job. The
results will NOT be reversed, however, even if the scum in government borrow
enough money from other countries to double your pittance handout for your
ongoing silence. (to $2K).

Kruschev was right.

Learn to live like Mexicans and Haitians. You DO reap what you sew.

Vic Smith January 18th 09 08:03 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:05:50 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:28:12 -0500, HK wrote:

My first pc came with WordStar. I hated it. Fortunately, a few days
later, I stopped by the computer store to whine, and the sales guy gave
me something called Volkswriter. It was *the* word processor for
computer newbies like me. Great little word processor. Had a
clackety-clack daisywheel printer and a real slow Hayes modem.


The PC1s came with a matrix printer and some diskettes. I used
"Easywriter" for years as my word processor. Other than that I had a
lot of the "stare at the C promp"t problem, wondering what to do with
the machine. I dabbled with BASIC and Assembler, writing little
programs that didn't really do much. This also had a spreadsheet
program (Visicalc) I never used.
Once I got a hard drive and started playing with dBase I started using
it more. When IBM/SBS/Sears came up with Prodigy I was "online" right
away ... at 1200 BPS


My PC1 (if that's the XT predecessor) came with 1 floppy drive.
Monochrome monitor. No printer. Can't remember if it was $1700 or
$2700. Wasn't cheap in any case.
Like you I goosed it to the max onboard ram which added I think about
$300 to the price. Second floppy cost I can't remember.
The fully loaded AST 6-pack was about $600.
The Epsom tractor drive printer was at least $300, but I got all the
greenbar paper I needed at work.
Was about a year later before I put a 20 meg Winchester HD in it.
$5-600 for that.
But I had plenty of boot-legged software off the bat, including the
full Micro-Focus Cobol suite, and put it to use writing a horse
handicapping system. Still have the source code for that.
Early PC's weren't cheap, that's for sure.
All that stuff was a lot more time-consuming than now.
Horse and buggy.
Think I was on-line pretty quick doing coursework. Seems it was
slower than 1200 BPS, but I'm not sure. Think is was the IBM network.
USR modem.
I'd almost lay odds my former employer is still paying for my IBM
network remote access to the mainframe OS. I never told them to
cancel it when we went to a GUI interface, as I wanted it for backup.
I really thought IBM would kill MS, but was way off on that.
When my sister got a PC and had me over to help her first thing I
did was replace her MS-DOS with PC-DOS.
If it wasn't IBM, I didn't want it.
Little did I know.
When IBM came out with their PC-OS I found it just as buggy as
Windows, and dumped it pretty quick when I saw it wasn't going
anywhere. They blew it somehow.
It's funny how many non-IT people jumped into that buggy early PC
world, but they did. Now everybody's an "expert."

--Vic

D K[_4_] January 19th 09 12:18 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:28 am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
I remember Geoworks...at least the name. Not much else.
Geoworks came out around the same time as Windows 3.0 and was a similar
GUI interface.
I think the original Apple computers had the first mouse driven "click"
to navigate type GUI OS and Geoworks was an attempt at a PC version
Last I knew, Geoworks was still around but not doing this type of
program software development.
Eisboch
When I was about to buy my first pc, IBM and Apple had just come out
with competing models...the Apple Macintosh I think it was called.
Anyway, I looked at both, and decided against the Apple because the
company was charging extra for add-on numeric keyboard and the numerics
were part of the standard IBM keyboard.

My first pc came with WordStar. I hated it. Fortunately, a few days
later, I stopped by the computer store to whine, and the sales guy gave
me something called Volkswriter. It was *the* word processor for
computer newbies like me. Great little word processor. Had a
clackety-clack daisywheel printer and a real slow Hayes modem.

Now, as my crepitude approaches, I have pulled my PC desktop out of
service to set it up as a server and for the moment I am using my Apple
Mac as both a Mac and a PC. I need the PC mode because for a couple of
the software packages I use, there are no Mac counterparts. One of these
happens to be the software for my Garmin chart plotter. Most of the
software suites, though, work about the same on Macs and PCs. Some of
the Mac software is a bit more ergonomic than the PC software.

As soon as I get around to it, I'll be setting up an Apple desktop
machine.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


You keep talking about your "server". Don't you mean back up computer?
What software are you running on this so called server?


I don't need a "back up computer." I have an HP MediaSmart Server, which
runs MS's Windows Home Server software, does automatic backups, and runs
a distribution system for movies, music, et cetera.

I'm not running any software on my future server. I haven't set it up
yet. I'm in the process of cleaning it up, doing a couple of hardware
upgrades, et cetera. It still has a copy of VISTA on it. Why are you so
interested in this?



Why do you insist on posting about it? This is at least the third time,
WAFA.

[email protected] January 19th 09 12:41 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Jan 18, 7:18*pm, D K wrote:
hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:28 am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:


"hk" wrote in message
news:FqmdnevrffQ8gO7UnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@earthlin k.com...
I remember Geoworks...at least the name. Not much else.
Geoworks came out around the same time as Windows 3.0 and was a similar
GUI interface.
I think the original Apple computers had the first mouse driven "click"
to navigate type GUI OS and Geoworks was an attempt at a PC version
Last I knew, Geoworks was still around but not doing this type of
program software development.
Eisboch
When I was about to buy my first pc, IBM and Apple had just come out
with competing models...the Apple Macintosh I think it was called.
Anyway, I looked at both, and decided against the Apple because the
company was charging extra for add-on numeric keyboard and the numerics
were part of the standard IBM keyboard.


My first pc came with WordStar. I hated it. Fortunately, a few days
later, I stopped by the computer store to whine, and the sales guy gave
me something called Volkswriter. It was *the* word processor for
computer newbies like me. Great little word processor. Had a
clackety-clack daisywheel printer and a real slow Hayes modem.


Now, as my crepitude approaches, I have pulled my PC desktop out of
service to set it up as a server and for the moment I am using my Apple
Mac as both a Mac and a PC. I need the PC mode because for a couple of
the software packages I use, there are no Mac counterparts. One of these
happens to be the software for my Garmin chart plotter. Most of the
software suites, though, work about the same on Macs and PCs. Some of
the Mac software is a bit more ergonomic than the PC software.


As soon as I get around to it, I'll be setting up an Apple desktop
machine.- Hide quoted text -


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You keep talking about your "server". Don't you mean back up computer?
What software are you running on this so called server?


I don't need a "back up computer." I have an HP MediaSmart Server, which
runs MS's Windows Home Server software, does automatic backups, and runs
a distribution system for movies, music, et cetera.


I'm not running any software on my future server. I haven't set it up
yet. I'm in the process of cleaning it up, doing a couple of hardware
upgrades, et cetera. It still has a copy of VISTA on it. Why are you so
interested in this?


Why do you insist on posting about it? *This is at least the third time,
WAFA.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Back to Circuit City's scam....

So, we went there to see just how good the "liquidation" prices were,
man, we should liquidate everything we have, it would be quite
profitable... We did a printout of the sale prices at Best Buy and
went hunting for a big external drive for backups (server in Harry
speak;). All of their prices were 10% off on most items, but the items
were jacked up 30-40% from regular retail!!! A typical Western
Digital 1 terrabyte external at Best buy was $129, at CC it was 10%
off the low, low price of only $179, yikes! We saw the same pattern on
cameras, shavers, etc... What a rip. We did get a couple of music CD's
at 20% off, what seemed to be the going price..
Aerosmith, Heart, Steve Miller, and Foreigner were among the lucky
albums that came home with us;)

hk January 19th 09 01:44 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
wrote:


Back to Circuit City's scam....

So, we went there to see just how good the "liquidation" prices were,
man, we should liquidate everything we have, it would be quite
profitable... We did a printout of the sale prices at Best Buy and
went hunting for a big external drive for backups (server in Harry
speak;).


Perhaps in your low-life uneducated crap mind, you think a hard drive =
server, but when you project your idiocy, it just makes you look...dumber.

Calif Bill January 19th 09 02:04 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 

"hk" wrote in message
...
SmallBoats.com wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...


If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive.
You'd have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity.
That's a lot more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to
get to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having a
PAL 286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became very
frugal with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy disk so
the hard drive had room for programs. Its a habit I still have,
even though my newest computer has a 320Gb drive plus an
additional backup drive. I keep it squeaky clean of misc. stuff
that I really don't need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running out
of space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my hands
on an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive, but I
think it was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?


Compupro '286, so it was running an Intel 80286. Hell this was more
than 20 years ago, fella, when you were still puking beer into your
jockey shorts after standing guard outside the portipotty at the
marine barracks.

Ever see a Compupro? Big, heavy box.

What OS did you run on this Compupro '286?


DR's CP/M-86, licensed to Compupro.

But...there was a bootleg MS OS around, too. It sorta ran an early
version of Flight Simulator. You could boot the MS OS from a floppy.

I don't remember a whole lot more. It wasn't "my" Compupro, it was an
editorial review model that I had for about six months. It was a beast.




I remember a version of Flight Simulator than ran from a floppy on the
pre-286 machines (forget the nomenclature). The "airplane" was nothing
more than a cross and there really wasn't any terrain to speak of.

BTW, the Laser Pal 286 computers I had (the first computers I had in the
company) ran on DOS 4.1 and were loaded with the GeoWorks Ensemble and
Prodigy using a 2400-baud modem.
The GeoWorks Ensemble was a Windows-like program that included a
wordprocesser, a spreadsheet and something else that I can't remember.

Processor speed was either 8 or 12 MHz (no typo), depending on the
position of a "turbo" button.
It seems that 12 MHz was too fast for some of the software of the day.
It had 640k (that's "k") of memory with an additional 384K of
"extended" memory.

Drives: 5 1/4-inch 1.2MB floppy, 3 1/2-inch 1.44MB floppy, 42MB hard

With monitor, it was just under $2000.

Eisboch


Yeah, the first one we brought home was a Packard Bell, 20 mb hdd,
1.2mb-5 1/4" floppy, and a 12 baud modem.. Think it ran Dos 3.0 or
something like that.. Can't remember the name of the system we had before
that, it was some kind of game system based thing iirc..



-----------------




Gee...and I thought my 300 bps modem was slow. A 12 baud modem?
Some network guru you are.


I was an FE for an online data center while going to college. Based in San
Francisco, we had leased lines as far as the Canadian Border and Salt Lake
City. 110 baud. When they brought a 9600 Baud modem to the Fall Joint
Computer show in SF in about 1996 we were all amazed you go transmit that
fast and with an acoustic coupler. First PC I bought for a company I
worked for was an 8 mhz PC and was about $4400 and had a 10 meg disk drive.
First disk drives I worked on were 5 platter, 14" 5 mbyte units.



[email protected] January 19th 09 02:43 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Jan 18, 8:44*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:

Back to Circuit City's scam....


So, we went there to see just how good the "liquidation" prices were,
man, we should liquidate everything we have, it would be quite
profitable... We did a printout of the sale prices at Best Buy and
went hunting for a big external drive for backups (server in Harry
speak;).


Perhaps in your low-life uneducated crap mind, you think a hard drive =
server, but when you project your idiocy, it just makes you look...dumber..


Pftttt... How's that hdd and ram install going in your "server
rebuild"?

hk January 19th 09 02:49 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:44 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:

Back to Circuit City's scam....
So, we went there to see just how good the "liquidation" prices were,
man, we should liquidate everything we have, it would be quite
profitable... We did a printout of the sale prices at Best Buy and
went hunting for a big external drive for backups (server in Harry
speak;).

Perhaps in your low-life uneducated crap mind, you think a hard drive =
server, but when you project your idiocy, it just makes you look...dumber.


Pftttt... How's that hdd and ram install going in your "server
rebuild"?



I don't have the problems you seem to have with computer hardware and
software. There's not much to installing a stick of RAM or a SATA drive.
You might be able to do it with a few hours of instruction.

I'm sure two gigs of RAM is more than sufficient for a server project,
don't you?





[email protected] January 19th 09 02:54 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Jan 18, 9:49*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:44 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:


Back to Circuit City's scam....
So, we went there to see just how good the "liquidation" prices were,
man, we should liquidate everything we have, it would be quite
profitable... We did a printout of the sale prices at Best Buy and
went hunting for a big external drive for backups (server in Harry
speak;).
Perhaps in your low-life uneducated crap mind, you think a hard drive =
server, but when you project your idiocy, it just makes you look...dumber.


Pftttt... How's that hdd and ram install going in your "server
rebuild"?


I don't have the problems you seem to have with computer hardware and
software. There's not much to installing a stick of RAM or a SATA drive.
You might be able to do it with a few hours of instruction.

I'm sure two gigs of RAM is more than sufficient for a server project,
don't you?


Well, if I thought you could honor a wager I still have the reciepts
and paperwork for several Point of purchace systems I set up in retail
stores, Custom computers I built for architects with plotters etc, and
several networks my wife and I set up for a fortune 500 company,
transfering from tolken ring to ethernet, before you could buy systems
right off the shelf. I don't know a lot about toy software for posting
pictures of family kitty cats and walmart chairs, or trolling on
usenet, but I sure know a lot more about hardware and networks,
plotters, raid systems,,etc. than you do.. pffftttt....

[email protected] January 19th 09 03:01 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Jan 18, 9:54*pm, wrote:
On Jan 18, 9:49*pm, hk wrote:





wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:44 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:


Back to Circuit City's scam....
So, we went there to see just how good the "liquidation" prices were,
man, we should liquidate everything we have, it would be quite
profitable... We did a printout of the sale prices at Best Buy and
went hunting for a big external drive for backups (server in Harry
speak;).
Perhaps in your low-life uneducated crap mind, you think a hard drive =
server, but when you project your idiocy, it just makes you look...dumber.


Pftttt... How's that hdd and ram install going in your "server
rebuild"?


I don't have the problems you seem to have with computer hardware and
software. There's not much to installing a stick of RAM or a SATA drive..
You might be able to do it with a few hours of instruction.


I'm sure two gigs of RAM is more than sufficient for a server project,
don't you?


Well, if I thought you could honor a wager I still have the reciepts
and paperwork for several Point of purchace systems I set up in retail
stores, Custom computers I built for architects with plotters etc, and
several networks my wife and I set up for a fortune 500 company,
transfering from tolken ring to ethernet, before you could buy systems
right off the shelf. I don't know a lot about toy software for posting
pictures of family kitty cats and walmart chairs, or trolling on
usenet, but I sure know a lot more about hardware and networks,
plotters, raid systems,,etc. than you do.. pffftttt....- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Oh, not to mention HTML, PhP, MySQL, Miva, SHTML, Apache, Linux, SSH,
Pop........ etc. I have designed dual language, user programable
websites in english and spanish, designed and built from scratch a
survey program for one of the biggest personell survey systems on the
east coast, taking them from paper to full automated electronic
systems. My wife was one of the origional 20 or so folks who worked
with the Miva developers and in the day, we helped another fortune 500
company move over from dedicated server for business, to hosting
providers and wrote several manuals for them... We have in our employ
a certified Windows CNE who runs systems on that side for us.. The
list goes on... You don't even come close..

hk January 19th 09 03:03 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
wrote:
On Jan 18, 9:49 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:44 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
Back to Circuit City's scam....
So, we went there to see just how good the "liquidation" prices were,
man, we should liquidate everything we have, it would be quite
profitable... We did a printout of the sale prices at Best Buy and
went hunting for a big external drive for backups (server in Harry
speak;).
Perhaps in your low-life uneducated crap mind, you think a hard drive =
server, but when you project your idiocy, it just makes you look...dumber.
Pftttt... How's that hdd and ram install going in your "server
rebuild"?

I don't have the problems you seem to have with computer hardware and
software. There's not much to installing a stick of RAM or a SATA drive.
You might be able to do it with a few hours of instruction.

I'm sure two gigs of RAM is more than sufficient for a server project,
don't you?


Well, if I thought you could honor a wager I still have the reciepts
and paperwork for several Point of purchace systems I set up in retail
stores, Custom computers I built for architects with plotters etc, and
several networks my wife and I set up for a fortune 500 company,
transfering from tolken ring to ethernet, before you could buy systems
right off the shelf. I don't know a lot about toy software for posting
pictures of family kitty cats and walmart chairs, or trolling on
usenet, but I sure know a lot more about hardware and networks,
plotters, raid systems,,etc. than you do.. pffftttt....



There's no evidence in this usenet group of your computer prowess. Was
that tolken ring, token ring or tolkien ring?

hk January 19th 09 03:06 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
wrote:
On Jan 18, 9:54 pm, wrote:

Oh, not to mention HTML, PhP, MySQL, Miva, SHTML, Apache, Linux, SSH,
Pop........ etc. I have designed dual language, user programable
websites in english and spanish, designed and built from scratch a
survey program for one of the biggest personell survey systems on the
east coast...




And it doesn't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime...



[email protected] January 19th 09 03:07 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Jan 18, 10:03*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 9:49 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:44 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
Back to Circuit City's scam....
So, we went there to see just how good the "liquidation" prices were,
man, we should liquidate everything we have, it would be quite
profitable... We did a printout of the sale prices at Best Buy and
went hunting for a big external drive for backups (server in Harry
speak;).
Perhaps in your low-life uneducated crap mind, you think a hard drive =
server, but when you project your idiocy, it just makes you look...dumber.
Pftttt... How's that hdd and ram install going in your "server
rebuild"?
I don't have the problems you seem to have with computer hardware and
software. There's not much to installing a stick of RAM or a SATA drive.
You might be able to do it with a few hours of instruction.


I'm sure two gigs of RAM is more than sufficient for a server project,
don't you?


Well, if I thought you could honor a wager I still have the reciepts
and paperwork for several Point of purchace systems I set up in retail
stores, Custom computers I built for architects with plotters etc, and
several networks my wife and I set up for a fortune 500 company,
transfering from tolken ring to ethernet, before you could buy systems
right off the shelf. I don't know a lot about toy software for posting
pictures of family kitty cats and walmart chairs, or trolling on
usenet, but I sure know a lot more about hardware and networks,
plotters, raid systems,,etc. than you do.. pffftttt....


There's no evidence in this usenet group of your computer prowess. Was
that tolken ring, token ring or tolkien ring?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Sure there is, we support all of the systems we provide on our servers
and have written most of the help manuals ourselves... We answer the
phone or email when a customer has a question about any of them... No
posers here, just wouldn't cut it, check it out...

http://www.idesigns.net

A real business, no Lobsta' boats or cut and paste here;) snerk


hk January 19th 09 03:16 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:03 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 9:49 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:44 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
Back to Circuit City's scam....
So, we went there to see just how good the "liquidation" prices were,
man, we should liquidate everything we have, it would be quite
profitable... We did a printout of the sale prices at Best Buy and
went hunting for a big external drive for backups (server in Harry
speak;).
Perhaps in your low-life uneducated crap mind, you think a hard drive =
server, but when you project your idiocy, it just makes you look...dumber.
Pftttt... How's that hdd and ram install going in your "server
rebuild"?
I don't have the problems you seem to have with computer hardware and
software. There's not much to installing a stick of RAM or a SATA drive.
You might be able to do it with a few hours of instruction.
I'm sure two gigs of RAM is more than sufficient for a server project,
don't you?
Well, if I thought you could honor a wager I still have the reciepts
and paperwork for several Point of purchace systems I set up in retail
stores, Custom computers I built for architects with plotters etc, and
several networks my wife and I set up for a fortune 500 company,
transfering from tolken ring to ethernet, before you could buy systems
right off the shelf. I don't know a lot about toy software for posting
pictures of family kitty cats and walmart chairs, or trolling on
usenet, but I sure know a lot more about hardware and networks,
plotters, raid systems,,etc. than you do.. pffftttt....

There's no evidence in this usenet group of your computer prowess. Was
that tolken ring, token ring or tolkien ring?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Sure there is, we support all of the systems we provide on our servers
and have written most of the help manuals ourselves... We answer the
phone or email when a customer has a question about any of them... No
posers here, just wouldn't cut it, check it out...

http://www.idesigns.net

A real business, no Lobsta' boats or cut and paste here;) snerk



Not likely: "Scott is a marketing advisor and also
handles the testing of new features
and software, though a boat builder
by trade. In his spare time he can be
found designing, building, and testing
his boats."


God help your "clients."

Tried your helpdesk and knowledge base, got this:


Welcome to helpdesk.idesigns.net
This site is under Re-Construction
Please come back again soon!



Who designed your webpage? A kid with a box of crayolas?

[email protected] January 19th 09 03:31 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Jan 18, 10:16*pm, hk wrote:


http://www.idesigns.net


A real business, no Lobsta' boats or cut and paste here;) *snerk


Not likely: *"Scott is a marketing advisor and also
handles the testing of new features
and software, though a boat builder
by trade. In his spare time he can be
found designing, building, and testing
his boats."

God help your "clients."

Tried your helpdesk and knowledge base, got this:

Welcome to helpdesk.idesigns.net
This site is under Re-Construction
Please come back again soon!

Who designed your webpage? A kid with a box of crayolas?


Pfffttt. we missed on link, but of course there is a hundred other
links on the site to the same place.. Anyway, go back to your plug and
play ram installation. I still would run circles around you any day...
Now go back to your plug and play ram installation..

hk January 19th 09 03:40 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:16 pm, hk wrote:

http://www.idesigns.net
A real business, no Lobsta' boats or cut and paste here;) snerk

Not likely: "Scott is a marketing advisor and also
handles the testing of new features
and software, though a boat builder
by trade. In his spare time he can be
found designing, building, and testing
his boats."

God help your "clients."

Tried your helpdesk and knowledge base, got this:

Welcome to helpdesk.idesigns.net
This site is under Re-Construction
Please come back again soon!

Who designed your webpage? A kid with a box of crayolas?


Pfffttt. we missed on link, but of course there is a hundred other
links on the site to the same place.. Anyway, go back to your plug and
play ram installation. I still would run circles around you any day...
Now go back to your plug and play ram installation..



I got that same error message on more than one link. And there is still
no evidence here you know squat about computers or networking. The sorts
of problems and questions you have brought up here indicate the opposite.

[email protected] January 19th 09 03:52 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Jan 18, 10:40*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:16 pm, hk wrote:


http://www.idesigns.net
A real business, no Lobsta' boats or cut and paste here;) *snerk
Not likely: *"Scott is a marketing advisor and also
handles the testing of new features
and software, though a boat builder
by trade. In his spare time he can be
found designing, building, and testing
his boats."


God help your "clients."


Tried your helpdesk and knowledge base, got this:


Welcome to helpdesk.idesigns.net
This site is under Re-Construction
Please come back again soon!


Who designed your webpage? A kid with a box of crayolas?


Pfffttt. we missed on link, but of course there is a hundred other
links on the site to the same place.. Anyway, go back to your plug and
play ram installation. I still would run circles around you any day...
Now go back to your plug and play ram installation..


I got that same error message on more than one link. And there is still
no evidence here you know squat about computers or networking. The sorts
of problems and questions you have brought up here indicate the opposite.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I own the business I don't do all the work. But I still know more
about networking than you, talk to me when you are ready to make a
wager, with real money. Until then, stop wasting my time, you are
still a poser...

hk January 19th 09 04:01 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:40 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:16 pm, hk wrote:
http://www.idesigns.net
A real business, no Lobsta' boats or cut and paste here;) snerk
Not likely: "Scott is a marketing advisor and also
handles the testing of new features
and software, though a boat builder
by trade. In his spare time he can be
found designing, building, and testing
his boats."
God help your "clients."
Tried your helpdesk and knowledge base, got this:
Welcome to helpdesk.idesigns.net
This site is under Re-Construction
Please come back again soon!
Who designed your webpage? A kid with a box of crayolas?
Pfffttt. we missed on link, but of course there is a hundred other
links on the site to the same place.. Anyway, go back to your plug and
play ram installation. I still would run circles around you any day...
Now go back to your plug and play ram installation..

I got that same error message on more than one link. And there is still
no evidence here you know squat about computers or networking. The sorts
of problems and questions you have brought up here indicate the opposite.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I own the business I don't do all the work. But I still know more
about networking than you, talk to me when you are ready to make a
wager, with real money. Until then, stop wasting my time, you are
still a poser...



Unlike you, I don't pretend to be a networking expert or someone who
"owns" a networking business. I know enough about networking to do what
I want to do with it. But there is no evidence you know anything about
networking or computers.

[email protected] January 19th 09 04:10 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Jan 18, 11:01*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:40 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:16 pm, hk wrote:
http://www.idesigns.net
A real business, no Lobsta' boats or cut and paste here;) *snerk
Not likely: *"Scott is a marketing advisor and also
handles the testing of new features
and software, though a boat builder
by trade. In his spare time he can be
found designing, building, and testing
his boats."
God help your "clients."
Tried your helpdesk and knowledge base, got this:
Welcome to helpdesk.idesigns.net
This site is under Re-Construction
Please come back again soon!
Who designed your webpage? A kid with a box of crayolas?
Pfffttt. we missed on link, but of course there is a hundred other
links on the site to the same place.. Anyway, go back to your plug and
play ram installation. I still would run circles around you any day....
Now go back to your plug and play ram installation..
I got that same error message on more than one link. And there is still
no evidence here you know squat about computers or networking. The sorts
of problems and questions you have brought up here indicate the opposite.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


I own the business I don't do all the work. But I still know more
about networking than you, talk to me when you are ready to make a
wager, with real money. Until then, stop wasting my time, you are
still a poser...


Unlike you, I don't pretend to be a networking expert or someone who
"owns" a networking business. I know enough about networking to do what
I want to do with it. But there is no evidence you know anything about
networking or computers.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Talk to me when you are willing to make a wager, with real money....

[email protected] January 19th 09 04:45 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Jan 18, 11:01*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:40 pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:16 pm, hk wrote:
http://www.idesigns.net
A real business, no Lobsta' boats or cut and paste here;) *snerk
Not likely: *"Scott is a marketing advisor and also
handles the testing of new features
and software, though a boat builder
by trade. In his spare time he can be
found designing, building, and testing
his boats."
God help your "clients."
Tried your helpdesk and knowledge base, got this:
Welcome to helpdesk.idesigns.net
This site is under Re-Construction
Please come back again soon!
Who designed your webpage? A kid with a box of crayolas?
Pfffttt. we missed on link, but of course there is a hundred other
links on the site to the same place.. Anyway, go back to your plug and
play ram installation. I still would run circles around you any day....
Now go back to your plug and play ram installation..
I got that same error message on more than one link. And there is still
no evidence here you know squat about computers or networking. The sorts
of problems and questions you have brought up here indicate the opposite.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


I own the business I don't do all the work. But I still know more
about networking than you, talk to me when you are ready to make a
wager, with real money. Until then, stop wasting my time, you are
still a poser...


Unlike you, I don't pretend to be a networking expert or someone who
"owns" a networking business. I know enough about networking to do what
I want to do with it. But there is no evidence you know anything about
networking or computers.- Hide quoted text -

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[email protected] January 19th 09 12:13 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:54:21 -0800 (PST),
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On Jan 18, 9:49*pm, hk wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 18, 8:44 pm, hk wrote:
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Back to Circuit City's scam....
So, we went there to see just how good the "liquidation" prices were,
man, we should liquidate everything we have, it would be quite
profitable... We did a printout of the sale prices at Best Buy and
went hunting for a big external drive for backups (server in Harry
speak;).
Perhaps in your low-life uneducated crap mind, you think a hard drive =
server, but when you project your idiocy, it just makes you look...dumber.


Pftttt... How's that hdd and ram install going in your "server
rebuild"?


I don't have the problems you seem to have with computer hardware and
software. There's not much to installing a stick of RAM or a SATA drive.
You might be able to do it with a few hours of instruction.

I'm sure two gigs of RAM is more than sufficient for a server project,
don't you?


Well, if I thought you could honor a wager I still have the reciepts
and paperwork for several Point of purchace systems I set up in retail
stores, Custom computers I built for architects with plotters etc, and
several networks my wife and I set up for a fortune 500 company,
transfering from tolken ring to ethernet, before you could buy systems
right off the shelf. I don't know a lot about toy software for posting
pictures of family kitty cats and walmart chairs, or trolling on
usenet, but I sure know a lot more about hardware and networks,
plotters, raid systems,,etc. than you do.. pffftttt....


Tolken ring... Bwhahahahaha!

Lord!


[email protected] January 19th 09 12:20 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:31:45 -0800 (PST),
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On Jan 18, 10:16*pm, hk wrote:


http://www.idesigns.net

A real business, no Lobsta' boats or cut and paste here;) *snerk


Not likely: *"Scott is a marketing advisor and also
handles the testing of new features
and software, though a boat builder
by trade. In his spare time he can be
found designing, building, and testing
his boats."

God help your "clients."

Tried your helpdesk and knowledge base, got this:

Welcome to helpdesk.idesigns.net
This site is under Re-Construction
Please come back again soon!

Who designed your webpage? A kid with a box of crayolas?


Pfffttt. we missed on link, but of course there is a hundred other
links on the site to the same place..


So much for your "software testing" abilities, eh?

Anyway, go back to your plug and
play ram installation. I still would run circles around you any day...
Now go back to your plug and play ram installation..


Well, I agree that you have a lot more experience running in circles.
The question is, what will you do with your tail when you catch it?


[email protected] January 19th 09 12:22 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:40:11 -0500, hk wrote:

wrote:
On Jan 18, 10:16 pm, hk wrote:

http://www.idesigns.net
A real business, no Lobsta' boats or cut and paste here;) snerk
Not likely: "Scott is a marketing advisor and also
handles the testing of new features
and software, though a boat builder
by trade. In his spare time he can be
found designing, building, and testing
his boats."

God help your "clients."

Tried your helpdesk and knowledge base, got this:

Welcome to helpdesk.idesigns.net
This site is under Re-Construction
Please come back again soon!

Who designed your webpage? A kid with a box of crayolas?


Pfffttt. we missed on link, but of course there is a hundred other
links on the site to the same place.. Anyway, go back to your plug and
play ram installation. I still would run circles around you any day...
Now go back to your plug and play ram installation..



I got that same error message on more than one link. And there is still
no evidence here you know squat about computers or networking. The sorts
of problems and questions you have brought up here indicate the opposite.


At best, his wife is a CNA, which is barely an entry level
certifcation. That cert appears to be at least 10 years old, so it's
worthless anyway. Scotty is a hanger-on. The business would be doing
just as well without him.


Calif Bill January 19th 09 07:03 PM

Circuit City Kaput
 

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:04:07 -0800, "Calif Bill"
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First disk drives I worked on were 5 platter, 14" 5 mbyte units.

2311s? They were the 360 version of the 1401 era 1311. Same basic pack
but double density,


I was an NCR guy. Our own drives. We replaced a 360 ,mod 20 at Macys with
an NCR 315 system. The Mod 20 had paper tape and card input and printer
output. No mag files. Just an expensive Tab system.



Calif Bill January 20th 09 08:01 AM

Circuit City Kaput
 

wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:26:26 -0800, "Calif Bill"
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wrote in message
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:03:40 -0800, "Calif Bill"
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I was an NCR guy. Our own drives. We replaced a 360 ,mod 20 at Macys
with
an NCR 315 system. The Mod 20 had paper tape and card input and printer
output. No mag files. Just an expensive Tab system.


Were they hydraulic too or had you migrated to the voice coil system
by then?
I know some companies just rebadged our drives (Control Data springs
to mind)
If you were around mod 20s you know what MFCM really means ;-)


They were voice coils. We did not go hydraulic for a couple years. We
actually designed one of first disk drives. Our idiot leaders went into a
joint venture with CDC and they took the disk drives and we took printers.
Bad deal from all the FE's view point. We saw disk drives to be the
better
product line in the future. Later when I left NCR, I went to Itel and
worked on the channel diagnostics for our Siemens clone of the IBM 3800
printer. We used a DEC 11/34 as the channel controller to the printer and
since we had to run IBM diags cleanly, I disassembled the code and found
the
hidden channel codes that were sent and what was expected back. Still
probably the most fun job I had. Great people in the team and great
company
to work for. We connected to a 33xx clone from Hitachi.

IBM started with hydraulics in disk drives(305 through 2314) and in
high speed printers (1403), then changed to the voice coil disk drive
(33xx and up) and servo or stepper motor printers (3211 and beyond).
I spent a lot of time with 3800s in the 80s. We had 35 of them in my
office and over 70 in the DC metro area. It was pretty much where I
spent most of my time. By then CPUs were not really breaking and we
didn't have any check sorters.
Back in the days when CPUs broke I had a chance to work with Itel
guys.
I worked midnights and nobody was around to enforce the rules about
not assisting if a 3d party was present. I remember one of those "6
vendor" nights tracking down a channel bug with the Itel guy stepping
microcode on his AS/5 and me shadowing him on my 3158. If there was
ever a chance for them to say they didn't steal our stuff it went away
that night. We were just calling out stop words back and forth with
each of us alternating which one we looked up. The I/O vendors were
acknowledging they got that far. We ended up nailing the T-bar switch
guy to the wall.

My move to Florida changed all of that. We had the C&S data center
here in Ft Myers. 3800s and 3890s.
This was a resident territory so we worked on everything here and I
really had the most fun with point of sale stuff. Wendys ended up
rolling out their new PC based registers in Naples because they liked
our operation (I had also worked on the Burger King rollout).
We invented the hot swap procedure for printers on the old 3684
systems in my shop and had the only field rebuild program in the
country. A 3684 was my first woodie, before I started making wood case
PCs. We had a clone of a Wendy's store in our shop to test things. (2
registers). I even got to meet Dave on rollout night. Wendys gave me
one of the new registers to play with in the shop.
\


Fun days. NCR paid for part of my university tuition with a tuition refund
plan. About 50% total as they did not cover books. And state university
tuition was between $125 and $250 a semester. I worked on the NCR 315 and
Century systems and the 420 Optical scanner. That scanner pretty much paid
for my house. After my degree, I was the liaison to Montgomery Wards in the
west. Still took care of the scanner as there were 2 of in the US who could
really fix the machine. Me and a guy in Chicago. But I decided where the
problems were with the POS systems. Store, Data Center, or in between.
Finally got fed up with the service manager in San Francisco with his BS and
took a huge raise to go to Itel. Then the H systems killed us and the
residual value of our leases and they laid off 2300 of us. Went to several
startups over the years. Screwed up in Feb 1980. Took a job in designing
disk drive controllers for DEC systems supplier company and turned down the
same salary 1.5 hours later for Rolm Corp. As I had already agreed to the
first job. I figure that 1.5 hours cost me $100,000,000. Neighbor went
from Rolm to another startup in the comm industry and then to Cisco as the
VP. He cashed out $240 million after taxes.




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