Circuit City Kaput
 

hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...


If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive. You'd
have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity. That's a lot
more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to get
to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having a PAL
286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became very frugal
with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy disk so the hard
drive had room for programs. Its a habit I still have, even though my
newest computer has a 320Gb drive plus an additional backup drive. I
keep it squeaky clean of misc. stuff that I really don't need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running out of
space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my hands on
an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive, but I think it
was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?

Circuit City Kaput
 

Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in the
fact that
companies are going out of business.

Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had employees who
had jobs,
even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest of
liberals
that the unemployed numbers grow larger?

I'm missing something somewhere.
Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the lack of
quality of their service, products or internal culture.

In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway. The
economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the straw that broke
the camel's back.

Eisboch
Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du jour'.
Harry, or
other liberals, continuously post articles of companies losing money
or
going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you so'
comments.
That's what I can't understand. What is there about companies going
out of business that brings joy to the
heart of a liberal?

Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'?
It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation going bankrupt
and putting 30,000 people on the unemployment line. The people who
suffer the most are the 30,000 people on the unemployment line not the
executives of the company.
The vast majority of CC's employees got paid for not doing what the
public expected in that capacity, best described as consultation-based
sales. Do you think people who don't do their job should get paid for
it?
If you do what your boss expects you to do then you have earned your
pay. If my boss wants me to sit in the corner and keep my mouth shut I
can do it or quit. Your opinion of whether I am doing my job is
irrelevant.

You just said customers' opinions don't matter. What reality are you
living in? The customers voted and Circuit City is gone.

What type of business are you in?
No, I did not say customers' opinions don't matter.

My boss determines whether I get paid or terminated. If do what my boss
tells me to do I get paid and I don't do what my boss tells me to do I get
terminated.

Your opinion of my work as a co-worker, peer of my manager or someone else
in my company doesn't really matter to me as long as I am doing what my
boss tells me to do.

You as a customer can come into any business and complain as much as you
want. But, if I am doing what my boss tells me to do I will still get
paid. If my boss wants me to do something differently he will tell me to
do it differently.

Your opinion about how a business is run is just that an opinion. When you
have successfully run a national retail chain for more than 70 years then
I will listen to your thoughts on manager and employee relations.

So...if your 'boss' told you to ship a defective product that might cause
injury or death you'd do it...to hell with the customer eh?

That is an ethical decision.

Circuit City Kaput
 

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...


If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive. You'd
have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity. That's a
lot more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to get
to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having a
PAL 286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became very
frugal with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy disk so the
hard drive had room for programs. Its a habit I still have, even
though my newest computer has a 320Gb drive plus an additional backup
drive. I keep it squeaky clean of misc. stuff that I really don't need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running out of
space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my hands on
an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive, but I think it
was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?


Compupro '286, so it was running an Intel 80286. Hell this was more than
20 years ago, fella, when you were still puking beer into your jockey
shorts after standing guard outside the portipotty at the marine barracks.

Ever see a Compupro? Big, heavy box.

Circuit City Kaput
 

BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in
the fact that
companies are going out of business.

Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had employees
who had jobs,
even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest of
liberals
that the unemployed numbers grow larger?

I'm missing something somewhere.
Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the lack of
quality of their service, products or internal culture.

In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway. The
economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the straw that
broke the camel's back.

Eisboch
Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du jour'.
Harry, or
other liberals, continuously post articles of companies losing
money or
going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you so'
comments.
That's what I can't understand. What is there about companies
going out of business that brings joy to the
heart of a liberal?

Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'?
It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation going
bankrupt and putting 30,000 people on the unemployment line. The
people who suffer the most are the 30,000 people on the
unemployment line not the executives of the company.
The vast majority of CC's employees got paid for not doing what
the public expected in that capacity, best described as
consultation-based sales. Do you think people who don't do their
job should get paid for it?
If you do what your boss expects you to do then you have earned
your pay. If my boss wants me to sit in the corner and keep my
mouth shut I can do it or quit. Your opinion of whether I am doing
my job is irrelevant.

You just said customers' opinions don't matter. What reality are you
living in? The customers voted and Circuit City is gone.

What type of business are you in?
No, I did not say customers' opinions don't matter.

My boss determines whether I get paid or terminated. If do what my
boss tells me to do I get paid and I don't do what my boss tells me
to do I get terminated.

Your opinion of my work as a co-worker, peer of my manager or someone
else in my company doesn't really matter to me as long as I am doing
what my boss tells me to do.

You as a customer can come into any business and complain as much as
you want. But, if I am doing what my boss tells me to do I will still
get paid. If my boss wants me to do something differently he will
tell me to do it differently.

Your opinion about how a business is run is just that an opinion.
When you have successfully run a national retail chain for more than
70 years then I will listen to your thoughts on manager and employee
relations.

So...if your 'boss' told you to ship a defective product that might
cause injury or death you'd do it...to hell with the customer eh?

That is an ethical decision.


Why would an ethical question trouble you?

Circuit City Kaput
 

hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in
the fact that
companies are going out of business.

Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had employees
who had jobs,
even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest
of liberals
that the unemployed numbers grow larger?

I'm missing something somewhere.
Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the lack
of quality of their service, products or internal culture.

In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway. The
economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the straw that
broke the camel's back.

Eisboch
Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du jour'.
Harry, or
other liberals, continuously post articles of companies losing
money or
going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you so'
comments.
That's what I can't understand. What is there about companies
going out of business that brings joy to the
heart of a liberal?

Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'?
It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation going
bankrupt and putting 30,000 people on the unemployment line. The
people who suffer the most are the 30,000 people on the
unemployment line not the executives of the company.
The vast majority of CC's employees got paid for not doing what
the public expected in that capacity, best described as
consultation-based sales. Do you think people who don't do their
job should get paid for it?
If you do what your boss expects you to do then you have earned
your pay. If my boss wants me to sit in the corner and keep my
mouth shut I can do it or quit. Your opinion of whether I am doing
my job is irrelevant.

You just said customers' opinions don't matter. What reality are
you living in? The customers voted and Circuit City is gone.

What type of business are you in?
No, I did not say customers' opinions don't matter.

My boss determines whether I get paid or terminated. If do what my
boss tells me to do I get paid and I don't do what my boss tells me
to do I get terminated.

Your opinion of my work as a co-worker, peer of my manager or
someone else in my company doesn't really matter to me as long as I
am doing what my boss tells me to do.

You as a customer can come into any business and complain as much as
you want. But, if I am doing what my boss tells me to do I will
still get paid. If my boss wants me to do something differently he
will tell me to do it differently.

Your opinion about how a business is run is just that an opinion.
When you have successfully run a national retail chain for more than
70 years then I will listen to your thoughts on manager and employee
relations.

So...if your 'boss' told you to ship a defective product that might
cause injury or death you'd do it...to hell with the customer eh?

That is an ethical decision.


Why would an ethical question trouble you?

We know ethical questions don't trouble you.

Circuit City Kaput
 

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in
the fact that
companies are going out of business.

Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had
employees who had jobs,
even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest
of liberals
that the unemployed numbers grow larger?

I'm missing something somewhere.
Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the lack
of quality of their service, products or internal culture.

In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway. The
economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the straw that
broke the camel's back.

Eisboch
Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du
jour'. Harry, or
other liberals, continuously post articles of companies losing
money or
going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you so'
comments.
That's what I can't understand. What is there about companies
going out of business that brings joy to the
heart of a liberal?

Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'?
It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation going
bankrupt and putting 30,000 people on the unemployment line.
The people who suffer the most are the 30,000 people on the
unemployment line not the executives of the company.
The vast majority of CC's employees got paid for not doing what
the public expected in that capacity, best described as
consultation-based sales. Do you think people who don't do their
job should get paid for it?
If you do what your boss expects you to do then you have earned
your pay. If my boss wants me to sit in the corner and keep my
mouth shut I can do it or quit. Your opinion of whether I am
doing my job is irrelevant.

You just said customers' opinions don't matter. What reality are
you living in? The customers voted and Circuit City is gone.

What type of business are you in?
No, I did not say customers' opinions don't matter.

My boss determines whether I get paid or terminated. If do what my
boss tells me to do I get paid and I don't do what my boss tells me
to do I get terminated.

Your opinion of my work as a co-worker, peer of my manager or
someone else in my company doesn't really matter to me as long as I
am doing what my boss tells me to do.

You as a customer can come into any business and complain as much
as you want. But, if I am doing what my boss tells me to do I will
still get paid. If my boss wants me to do something differently he
will tell me to do it differently.

Your opinion about how a business is run is just that an opinion.
When you have successfully run a national retail chain for more
than 70 years then I will listen to your thoughts on manager and
employee relations.

So...if your 'boss' told you to ship a defective product that might
cause injury or death you'd do it...to hell with the customer eh?

That is an ethical decision.


Why would an ethical question trouble you?

We know ethical questions don't trouble you.


That's absurd. There are many ethical questions that trouble me. I can't
think of one that might trouble you. You are after all the epitome of
the "I've got mine, **** you" Republican mindset.

Circuit City Kaput
 

hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...


If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive. You'd
have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity. That's a
lot more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to get
to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having a
PAL 286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became very
frugal with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy disk so
the hard drive had room for programs. Its a habit I still have,
even though my newest computer has a 320Gb drive plus an additional
backup drive. I keep it squeaky clean of misc. stuff that I really
don't need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running out of
space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my hands
on an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive, but I think
it was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?


Compupro '286, so it was running an Intel 80286. Hell this was more than
20 years ago, fella, when you were still puking beer into your jockey
shorts after standing guard outside the portipotty at the marine barracks.

Ever see a Compupro? Big, heavy box.

What OS did you run on this Compupro '286?

Circuit City Kaput
 

hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds
in the fact that
companies are going out of business.

Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had
employees who had jobs,
even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest
of liberals
that the unemployed numbers grow larger?

I'm missing something somewhere.
Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the lack
of quality of their service, products or internal culture.

In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway. The
economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the straw
that broke the camel's back.

Eisboch
Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du
jour'. Harry, or
other liberals, continuously post articles of companies
losing money or
going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you so'
comments.
That's what I can't understand. What is there about companies
going out of business that brings joy to the
heart of a liberal?

Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'?
It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation going
bankrupt and putting 30,000 people on the unemployment line.
The people who suffer the most are the 30,000 people on the
unemployment line not the executives of the company.
The vast majority of CC's employees got paid for not doing what
the public expected in that capacity, best described as
consultation-based sales. Do you think people who don't do
their job should get paid for it?
If you do what your boss expects you to do then you have earned
your pay. If my boss wants me to sit in the corner and keep my
mouth shut I can do it or quit. Your opinion of whether I am
doing my job is irrelevant.

You just said customers' opinions don't matter. What reality are
you living in? The customers voted and Circuit City is gone.

What type of business are you in?
No, I did not say customers' opinions don't matter.

My boss determines whether I get paid or terminated. If do what my
boss tells me to do I get paid and I don't do what my boss tells
me to do I get terminated.

Your opinion of my work as a co-worker, peer of my manager or
someone else in my company doesn't really matter to me as long as
I am doing what my boss tells me to do.

You as a customer can come into any business and complain as much
as you want. But, if I am doing what my boss tells me to do I will
still get paid. If my boss wants me to do something differently he
will tell me to do it differently.

Your opinion about how a business is run is just that an opinion.
When you have successfully run a national retail chain for more
than 70 years then I will listen to your thoughts on manager and
employee relations.

So...if your 'boss' told you to ship a defective product that might
cause injury or death you'd do it...to hell with the customer eh?

That is an ethical decision.


Why would an ethical question trouble you?

We know ethical questions don't trouble you.


That's absurd. There are many ethical questions that trouble me. I can't
think of one that might trouble you. You are after all the epitome of
the "I've got mine, **** you" Republican mindset.


What is the ethical question you believe might trouble me?

Circuit City Kaput
 

I still don't see your explanation as to why Circuit City is liquidating. Do
not give me links to news stories. I want YOUR explanation, business expert.

Circuit City Kaput
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
I still don't see your explanation as to why Circuit City is liquidating. Do
not give me links to news stories. I want YOUR explanation, business expert.

Who are you to demand anything from me?

Circuit City Kaput
 

"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
I still don't see your explanation as to why Circuit City is liquidating.
Do not give me links to news stories. I want YOUR explanation, business
expert.

Who are you to demand anything from me?



That's your standard answer when you can't effectively respond to a question
you knew would be asked. Don't set traps for yourself in the future. You're
lousy at avoiding them.

Circuit City Kaput
 

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...


If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive. You'd
have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity. That's a
lot more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to
get to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having a
PAL 286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became very
frugal with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy disk so
the hard drive had room for programs. Its a habit I still have,
even though my newest computer has a 320Gb drive plus an additional
backup drive. I keep it squeaky clean of misc. stuff that I really
don't need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running out
of space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my hands
on an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive, but I
think it was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?


Compupro '286, so it was running an Intel 80286. Hell this was more
than 20 years ago, fella, when you were still puking beer into your
jockey shorts after standing guard outside the portipotty at the
marine barracks.

Ever see a Compupro? Big, heavy box.

What OS did you run on this Compupro '286?


DR's CP/M-86, licensed to Compupro.

But...there was a bootleg MS OS around, too. It sorta ran an early
version of Flight Simulator. You could boot the MS OS from a floppy.

I don't remember a whole lot more. It wasn't "my" Compupro, it was an
editorial review model that I had for about six months. It was a beast.

Circuit City Kaput
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
I still don't see your explanation as to why Circuit City is liquidating.
Do not give me links to news stories. I want YOUR explanation, business
expert.
Who are you to demand anything from me?



That's your standard answer when you can't effectively respond to a question
you knew would be asked. Don't set traps for yourself in the future. You're
lousy at avoiding them.




snerk

Bert's definition of "morality" begins and ends with being anti-abortion.

Circuit City Kaput
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
I still don't see your explanation as to why Circuit City is liquidating.
Do not give me links to news stories. I want YOUR explanation, business
expert.
Who are you to demand anything from me?



That's your standard answer when you can't effectively respond to a question
you knew would be asked. Don't set traps for yourself in the future. You're
lousy at avoiding them.

Ask me nicely and I may respond.

Circuit City Kaput
 

"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
I still don't see your explanation as to why Circuit City is
liquidating. Do not give me links to news stories. I want YOUR
explanation, business expert.
Who are you to demand anything from me?



That's your standard answer when you can't effectively respond to a
question you knew would be asked. Don't set traps for yourself in the
future. You're lousy at avoiding them.

Ask me nicely and I may respond.


I did that earlier this afternoon. You didn't respond.

Circuit City Kaput
 

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds
in the fact that
companies are going out of business.

Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had
employees who had jobs,
even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best
interest of liberals
that the unemployed numbers grow larger?

I'm missing something somewhere.
Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the
lack of quality of their service, products or internal
culture.

In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway.
The economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the
straw that broke the camel's back.

Eisboch
Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du
jour'. Harry, or
other liberals, continuously post articles of companies
losing money or
going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you so'
comments.
That's what I can't understand. What is there about
companies going out of business that brings joy to the
heart of a liberal?

Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'?
It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation going
bankrupt and putting 30,000 people on the unemployment line.
The people who suffer the most are the 30,000 people on the
unemployment line not the executives of the company.
The vast majority of CC's employees got paid for not doing
what the public expected in that capacity, best described as
consultation-based sales. Do you think people who don't do
their job should get paid for it?
If you do what your boss expects you to do then you have earned
your pay. If my boss wants me to sit in the corner and keep my
mouth shut I can do it or quit. Your opinion of whether I am
doing my job is irrelevant.

You just said customers' opinions don't matter. What reality are
you living in? The customers voted and Circuit City is gone.

What type of business are you in?
No, I did not say customers' opinions don't matter.

My boss determines whether I get paid or terminated. If do what
my boss tells me to do I get paid and I don't do what my boss
tells me to do I get terminated.

Your opinion of my work as a co-worker, peer of my manager or
someone else in my company doesn't really matter to me as long as
I am doing what my boss tells me to do.

You as a customer can come into any business and complain as much
as you want. But, if I am doing what my boss tells me to do I
will still get paid. If my boss wants me to do something
differently he will tell me to do it differently.

Your opinion about how a business is run is just that an opinion.
When you have successfully run a national retail chain for more
than 70 years then I will listen to your thoughts on manager and
employee relations.

So...if your 'boss' told you to ship a defective product that
might cause injury or death you'd do it...to hell with the
customer eh?

That is an ethical decision.


Why would an ethical question trouble you?

We know ethical questions don't trouble you.


That's absurd. There are many ethical questions that trouble me. I
can't think of one that might trouble you. You are after all the
epitome of the "I've got mine, **** you" Republican mindset.


What is the ethical question you believe might trouble me?


All of them.

Circuit City Kaput
 

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
I still don't see your explanation as to why Circuit City is
liquidating. Do not give me links to news stories. I want YOUR
explanation, business expert.
Who are you to demand anything from me?


That's your standard answer when you can't effectively respond to a
question you knew would be asked. Don't set traps for yourself in the
future. You're lousy at avoiding them.
Ask me nicely and I may respond.


I did that earlier this afternoon. You didn't respond.



I did respond. The message never go out of my computer, connection failure.

Bad management, was my response.

Circuit City Kaput
 

hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds
in the fact that
companies are going out of business.

Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had
employees who had jobs,
even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best
interest of liberals
that the unemployed numbers grow larger?

I'm missing something somewhere.
Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the
lack of quality of their service, products or internal
culture.

In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway.
The economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the
straw that broke the camel's back.

Eisboch
Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du
jour'. Harry, or
other liberals, continuously post articles of companies
losing money or
going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you
so' comments.
That's what I can't understand. What is there about
companies going out of business that brings joy to the
heart of a liberal?

Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'?
It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation going
bankrupt and putting 30,000 people on the unemployment line.
The people who suffer the most are the 30,000 people on the
unemployment line not the executives of the company.
The vast majority of CC's employees got paid for not doing
what the public expected in that capacity, best described as
consultation-based sales. Do you think people who don't do
their job should get paid for it?
If you do what your boss expects you to do then you have
earned your pay. If my boss wants me to sit in the corner and
keep my mouth shut I can do it or quit. Your opinion of
whether I am doing my job is irrelevant.

You just said customers' opinions don't matter. What reality
are you living in? The customers voted and Circuit City is gone.

What type of business are you in?
No, I did not say customers' opinions don't matter.

My boss determines whether I get paid or terminated. If do what
my boss tells me to do I get paid and I don't do what my boss
tells me to do I get terminated.

Your opinion of my work as a co-worker, peer of my manager or
someone else in my company doesn't really matter to me as long
as I am doing what my boss tells me to do.

You as a customer can come into any business and complain as
much as you want. But, if I am doing what my boss tells me to do
I will still get paid. If my boss wants me to do something
differently he will tell me to do it differently.

Your opinion about how a business is run is just that an
opinion. When you have successfully run a national retail chain
for more than 70 years then I will listen to your thoughts on
manager and employee relations.

So...if your 'boss' told you to ship a defective product that
might cause injury or death you'd do it...to hell with the
customer eh?

That is an ethical decision.


Why would an ethical question trouble you?

We know ethical questions don't trouble you.


That's absurd. There are many ethical questions that trouble me. I
can't think of one that might trouble you. You are after all the
epitome of the "I've got mine, **** you" Republican mindset.


What is the ethical question you believe might trouble me?


All of them.

Ask a question and I will answer it.

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"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
I still don't see your explanation as to why Circuit City is
liquidating. Do not give me links to news stories. I want YOUR
explanation, business expert.
Who are you to demand anything from me?


That's your standard answer when you can't effectively respond to a
question you knew would be asked. Don't set traps for yourself in the
future. You're lousy at avoiding them.
Ask me nicely and I may respond.


I did that earlier this afternoon. You didn't respond.

I did respond. The message never go out of my computer, connection
failure.

Bad management, was my response.


But you still think the word "complain" means to speak to management. In
fact, customers complain by not walking in the door.

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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
I still don't see your explanation as to why Circuit City is
liquidating. Do not give me links to news stories. I want YOUR
explanation, business expert.
Who are you to demand anything from me?


That's your standard answer when you can't effectively respond to a
question you knew would be asked. Don't set traps for yourself in the
future. You're lousy at avoiding them.
Ask me nicely and I may respond.

I did that earlier this afternoon. You didn't respond.
I did respond. The message never go out of my computer, connection
failure.

Bad management, was my response.


But you still think the word "complain" means to speak to management. In
fact, customers complain by not walking in the door.



That is a management problem.

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Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

iPods are having an effect, but the bigger issue, I think, is lack of
imagination and just plain balls in retailing. That's why this retailer
keeps growing every year:

http://www.rowephoto.com/index.html

Mid to high quality audio, full service, well-trained staff with
outrageous product knowledge. Began as a photo store 110 years ago.
Added audio & video in the mid-1980s. The stores are always busy. In a
sense, the owner built the business by responding to the big discounters
with "So what?" Wegmans (grocery chain) does the same thing.

Hopefully they will stay around because they are diversified. There used
to be a couple of decent high-end audio shops around my area but they
have all folded. The demand (or lack of) for quality equipment just
doesn't pay the rent anymore. Even manufacturers of decent speakers are
introducing lower performance, lower priced models of their equipment to
be carried by places like Best Buy. It's too bad because people still
spend a considerable amount of money for Best Buy's versions of Klipsch
or Martin Logan thinking they are getting high end speakers. For a small
amount more they could get the real thing.

Eisboch


Agree on Circuit City being crap. As to high end stores, some are
probably better than others. We have one in Livermore. When I was going
to put in a decent home theater system, went to them for a bid. They
listened to what I wanted, and then just ignored it. The first bid was
$10,000. About $8k above what I said my budget was. This did not include
a TV, just the speakers and amp/ receiver. Do not know if they are around
anymore either. Just a more expensive Circuit City. No one listening.

Wow...your bugdet of $2K demnded a tv also?
Big spender!



Learn to read, and spell, dummy.

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On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:44:12 -0500, hk wrote:

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds
in the fact that
companies are going out of business.

Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had
employees who had jobs,
even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best
interest of liberals
that the unemployed numbers grow larger?

I'm missing something somewhere.
Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the
lack of quality of their service, products or internal
culture.

In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway.
The economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the
straw that broke the camel's back.

Eisboch
Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du
jour'. Harry, or
other liberals, continuously post articles of companies
losing money or
going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you so'
comments.
That's what I can't understand. What is there about
companies going out of business that brings joy to the
heart of a liberal?

Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'?
It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation going
bankrupt and putting 30,000 people on the unemployment line.
The people who suffer the most are the 30,000 people on the
unemployment line not the executives of the company.
The vast majority of CC's employees got paid for not doing
what the public expected in that capacity, best described as
consultation-based sales. Do you think people who don't do
their job should get paid for it?
If you do what your boss expects you to do then you have earned
your pay. If my boss wants me to sit in the corner and keep my
mouth shut I can do it or quit. Your opinion of whether I am
doing my job is irrelevant.

You just said customers' opinions don't matter. What reality are
you living in? The customers voted and Circuit City is gone.

What type of business are you in?
No, I did not say customers' opinions don't matter.

My boss determines whether I get paid or terminated. If do what
my boss tells me to do I get paid and I don't do what my boss
tells me to do I get terminated.

Your opinion of my work as a co-worker, peer of my manager or
someone else in my company doesn't really matter to me as long as
I am doing what my boss tells me to do.

You as a customer can come into any business and complain as much
as you want. But, if I am doing what my boss tells me to do I
will still get paid. If my boss wants me to do something
differently he will tell me to do it differently.

Your opinion about how a business is run is just that an opinion.
When you have successfully run a national retail chain for more
than 70 years then I will listen to your thoughts on manager and
employee relations.

So...if your 'boss' told you to ship a defective product that
might cause injury or death you'd do it...to hell with the
customer eh?

That is an ethical decision.


Why would an ethical question trouble you?

We know ethical questions don't trouble you.


That's absurd. There are many ethical questions that trouble me. I
can't think of one that might trouble you. You are after all the
epitome of the "I've got mine, **** you" Republican mindset.


What is the ethical question you believe might trouble me?


All of them.

What, are you Sarah Palin now?

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Don White wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
...

iPods are having an effect, but the bigger issue, I think, is lack of
imagination and just plain balls in retailing. That's why this retailer
keeps growing every year:

http://www.rowephoto.com/index.html

Mid to high quality audio, full service, well-trained staff with
outrageous product knowledge. Began as a photo store 110 years ago.
Added audio & video in the mid-1980s. The stores are always busy. In a
sense, the owner built the business by responding to the big
discounters with "So what?" Wegmans (grocery chain) does the same
thing.

Hopefully they will stay around because they are diversified. There
used to be a couple of decent high-end audio shops around my area but
they have all folded. The demand (or lack of) for quality equipment
just doesn't pay the rent anymore. Even manufacturers of decent
speakers are introducing lower performance, lower priced models of their
equipment to be carried by places like Best Buy. It's too bad because
people still spend a considerable amount of money for Best Buy's
versions of Klipsch or Martin Logan thinking they are getting high end
speakers. For a small amount more they could get the real thing.

Eisboch


Agree on Circuit City being crap. As to high end stores, some are
probably better than others. We have one in Livermore. When I was going
to put in a decent home theater system, went to them for a bid. They
listened to what I wanted, and then just ignored it. The first bid was
$10,000. About $8k above what I said my budget was. This did not
include a TV, just the speakers and amp/ receiver. Do not know if they
are around anymore either. Just a more expensive Circuit City. No one
listening.
Wow...your *bugdet* of $2K *demnded* a tv also?
Big spender!

Yikes... Sunday morning...
should be *budget* and *demanded*



Should have refrained from posting, dumbass.

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Eisboch wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...


Yikes... Sunday morning...
should be *budget* and *demanded*


Check your watch.

It's Saturday.

Eisboch

He's just dumb. Really dumb.

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Don White wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Yikes... Sunday morning...
should be *budget* and *demanded*

Check your watch.

It's Saturday.

Eisboch

mmmm.. hee hee...I'd better get a job or something... I'm losing contact
with reality.
My Swiss Army watch isn't much help...it thinks today is the 16th.
The analog type watch gets mixed up between 30 and 31 day months not to
mention a short month like February.



You have to rely on your POS watch to tell you what day it is? You have
more problems than I thought, dummy (hee hee).

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John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:02:48 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"Don White" wrote in message
...

Yikes... Sunday morning...
should be *budget* and *demanded*

Check your watch.

It's Saturday.

Eisboch
mmmm.. hee hee...I'd better get a job or something... I'm losing contact
with reality.
My Swiss Army watch isn't much help...it thinks today is the 16th.
The analog type watch gets mixed up between 30 and 31 day months not to
mention a short month like February.


I'll bet you're supposed to roll over an extra day at the end of a 30 day
month. Hell, if it's the watch, what happened at the end of February? March
must have been a mess.

He doesn't even know what day of the week it is. That has zero to do
with the date.

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Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry finds in the
fact that
companies are going out of business.

Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had employees who
had jobs,
even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best interest of
liberals
that the unemployed numbers grow larger?

I'm missing something somewhere.
Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the lack of
quality of their service, products or internal culture.

In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway. The
economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the straw that broke
the camel's back.

Eisboch
Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du jour'.
Harry, or
other liberals, continuously post articles of companies losing money
or
going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you so'
comments.
That's what I can't understand. What is there about companies going
out of business that brings joy to the
heart of a liberal?

Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'?
It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation going bankrupt
and putting 30,000 people on the unemployment line. The people who
suffer the most are the 30,000 people on the unemployment line not the
executives of the company.
The vast majority of CC's employees got paid for not doing what the
public expected in that capacity, best described as consultation-based
sales. Do you think people who don't do their job should get paid for
it?
If you do what your boss expects you to do then you have earned your
pay. If my boss wants me to sit in the corner and keep my mouth shut I
can do it or quit. Your opinion of whether I am doing my job is
irrelevant.

You just said customers' opinions don't matter. What reality are you
living in? The customers voted and Circuit City is gone.

What type of business are you in?
No, I did not say customers' opinions don't matter.

My boss determines whether I get paid or terminated. If do what my boss
tells me to do I get paid and I don't do what my boss tells me to do I get
terminated.

Your opinion of my work as a co-worker, peer of my manager or someone else
in my company doesn't really matter to me as long as I am doing what my
boss tells me to do.

You as a customer can come into any business and complain as much as you
want. But, if I am doing what my boss tells me to do I will still get
paid. If my boss wants me to do something differently he will tell me to
do it differently.

Your opinion about how a business is run is just that an opinion. When you
have successfully run a national retail chain for more than 70 years then
I will listen to your thoughts on manager and employee relations.

So...if your 'boss' told you to ship a defective product that might cause
injury or death you'd do it...to hell with the customer eh?



That's just stupid and as expected from the poster.

Circuit City Kaput
 

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On Jan 17, 8:43*pm, D K wrote:
wrote:
On Jan 17, 11:51 am, wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:02:23 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

High sample rates (320kbps) certainly makes them better but the files get
bigger. * Wav files sound best because there's no compression, but the files
are huge. *People aren't into quality, they are into quantity, so they pack
their iPods and mp3 players with low quality, low sample rate files. *I just
can't get into that. *Despite what some claim, I can (and so can my wife)
distinguish the difference of a high quality CD PCM track and a high sample
rate conversion of it to mp3.
You can't replace what isn't there. *But, with Audacity you can add some
depth to get rid of the coffee can sound.
As discussed many times before, it all depends on what you are listening to
them on. *An iPod plugged into a docking station or a non-revealing audio
system sounds ok for background music.
I have been migrating to the biggest sample rate I can get. "Huge" is
a relative thing when you can get a 2 gig SD card for $10. That is one
reason why I like my $30 Sansa better than an Ipod. It has an SD slot.
That is the cassette of the 21st century. Even with WAVs you can get a
couple hundred on a card and more like 400-500 MP3s.

Yup, I have a sansa and I use the biggest files I can, I have a couple
mini 2 gig chips I can put in. My kid can't do that with her Ipod... I
also have FM for those feeling lucky days...

I have a 30GB ZEN for the same reason. *Screw Apple.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yeah, I don't need to impress anyone like our resident IPod hero. Two
gig is more than enough for days of listening time while working..;)

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hk wrote:
Don White wrote:
wrote in message
...

Yeah, but Donnie can take it, not like others in his gang who when
challenged just go plain mental;)
************************************************** **********

You'd think by now I'd be smart enough not to offer any personal
info............



The best thing to do with litter baskets like Just Hate is to just
ignore them entirely or dump cat crap on them. There's nothing about the
little schitt that needs to be taken seriously: he's just a sick loser.
Hell, look who his buddies are he Herring, Loogie, et al.

Heel to you master, dumb lemming. WAFA has spoken.

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hk wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:44:12 -0500, hk wrote:

BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
Don White wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
...
John H wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:40:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
...

I wish someone could explain the satisfaction Harry
finds in the fact that
companies are going out of business.

Is this good for liberals somehow? Circuit City had
employees who had jobs,
even if those folks did nothing. Is it in the best
interest of liberals
that the unemployed numbers grow larger?

I'm missing something somewhere.
Some companies deserve to go out of business due to the
lack of quality of their service, products or internal
culture.

In the case of Circuit City, it was on the edge anyway.
The economic crisis and retail downturn was simply the
straw that broke the camel's back.

Eisboch
Agreed. Circuit City just happened to be the company 'du
jour'. Harry, or
other liberals, continuously post articles of companies
losing money or
going out of business. And then make gleeful 'I told you
so' comments.
That's what I can't understand. What is there about
companies going out of business that brings joy to the
heart of a liberal?

Is it just simply 'anti-corporation'?
It really baffles me why you would cheer a corporation
going bankrupt and putting 30,000 people on the
unemployment line. The people who suffer the most are the
30,000 people on the unemployment line not the executives
of the company.
The vast majority of CC's employees got paid for not doing
what the public expected in that capacity, best described
as consultation-based sales. Do you think people who don't
do their job should get paid for it?
If you do what your boss expects you to do then you have
earned your pay. If my boss wants me to sit in the corner
and keep my mouth shut I can do it or quit. Your opinion of
whether I am doing my job is irrelevant.
You just said customers' opinions don't matter. What reality
are you living in? The customers voted and Circuit City is gone.

What type of business are you in?
No, I did not say customers' opinions don't matter.

My boss determines whether I get paid or terminated. If do
what my boss tells me to do I get paid and I don't do what my
boss tells me to do I get terminated.

Your opinion of my work as a co-worker, peer of my manager or
someone else in my company doesn't really matter to me as long
as I am doing what my boss tells me to do.

You as a customer can come into any business and complain as
much as you want. But, if I am doing what my boss tells me to
do I will still get paid. If my boss wants me to do something
differently he will tell me to do it differently.

Your opinion about how a business is run is just that an
opinion. When you have successfully run a national retail
chain for more than 70 years then I will listen to your
thoughts on manager and employee relations.
So...if your 'boss' told you to ship a defective product that
might cause injury or death you'd do it...to hell with the
customer eh?
That is an ethical decision.

Why would an ethical question trouble you?
We know ethical questions don't trouble you.

That's absurd. There are many ethical questions that trouble me. I
can't think of one that might trouble you. You are after all the
epitome of the "I've got mine, **** you" Republican mindset.

What is the ethical question you believe might trouble me?

All of them.

What, are you Sarah Palin now?



Moi? Hardly. But BAR is a rightie...and therefore bereft of real ethics.

Ask me an ethical question Harry? Or, are you afraid of the answer I may
give?

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"hk" wrote in message
m...
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...


If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive. You'd
have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity. That's a
lot more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to get
to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having a
PAL 286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became very
frugal with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy disk so the
hard drive had room for programs. Its a habit I still have, even
though my newest computer has a 320Gb drive plus an additional backup
drive. I keep it squeaky clean of misc. stuff that I really don't
need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running out of
space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my hands on
an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive, but I think it
was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?


Compupro '286, so it was running an Intel 80286. Hell this was more than
20 years ago, fella, when you were still puking beer into your jockey
shorts after standing guard outside the portipotty at the marine
barracks.

Ever see a Compupro? Big, heavy box.

What OS did you run on this Compupro '286?


DR's CP/M-86, licensed to Compupro.

But...there was a bootleg MS OS around, too. It sorta ran an early version
of Flight Simulator. You could boot the MS OS from a floppy.

I don't remember a whole lot more. It wasn't "my" Compupro, it was an
editorial review model that I had for about six months. It was a beast.




I remember a version of Flight Simulator than ran from a floppy on the
pre-286 machines (forget the nomenclature). The "airplane" was nothing
more than a cross and there really wasn't any terrain to speak of.

BTW, the Laser Pal 286 computers I had (the first computers I had in the
company) ran on DOS 4.1 and were loaded with the GeoWorks Ensemble and
Prodigy using a 2400-baud modem.
The GeoWorks Ensemble was a Windows-like program that included a
wordprocesser, a spreadsheet and something else that I can't remember.

Processor speed was either 8 or 12 MHz (no typo), depending on the position
of a "turbo" button.
It seems that 12 MHz was too fast for some of the software of the day. It
had 640k (that's "k") of memory with an additional 384K of "extended"
memory.

Drives: 5 1/4-inch 1.2MB floppy, 3 1/2-inch 1.44MB floppy, 42MB hard

With monitor, it was just under $2000.

Eisboch

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Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
BAR wrote:
hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...


If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive.
You'd have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity.
That's a lot more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to
get to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having
a PAL 286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became
very frugal with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy
disk so the hard drive had room for programs. Its a habit I
still have, even though my newest computer has a 320Gb drive plus
an additional backup drive. I keep it squeaky clean of misc.
stuff that I really don't need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running out
of space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my
hands on an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive,
but I think it was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?


Compupro '286, so it was running an Intel 80286. Hell this was more
than 20 years ago, fella, when you were still puking beer into your
jockey shorts after standing guard outside the portipotty at the
marine barracks.

Ever see a Compupro? Big, heavy box.

What OS did you run on this Compupro '286?


DR's CP/M-86, licensed to Compupro.

But...there was a bootleg MS OS around, too. It sorta ran an early
version of Flight Simulator. You could boot the MS OS from a floppy.

I don't remember a whole lot more. It wasn't "my" Compupro, it was an
editorial review model that I had for about six months. It was a beast.




I remember a version of Flight Simulator than ran from a floppy on the
pre-286 machines (forget the nomenclature). The "airplane" was nothing
more than a cross and there really wasn't any terrain to speak of.

BTW, the Laser Pal 286 computers I had (the first computers I had in the
company) ran on DOS 4.1 and were loaded with the GeoWorks Ensemble and
Prodigy using a 2400-baud modem.
The GeoWorks Ensemble was a Windows-like program that included a
wordprocesser, a spreadsheet and something else that I can't remember.

Processor speed was either 8 or 12 MHz (no typo), depending on the
position of a "turbo" button.
It seems that 12 MHz was too fast for some of the software of the day.
It had 640k (that's "k") of memory with an additional 384K of
"extended" memory.

Drives: 5 1/4-inch 1.2MB floppy, 3 1/2-inch 1.44MB floppy, 42MB hard

With monitor, it was just under $2000.

I worked on an S-100 bus system that we used to monitor communications
lines form 256Kb tail circuits to 110 baud lines. 16 line monitoring
cards with a chassis controller car and a memory card containing the
protocol analysis code burned into eeproms. We ran on 4, 6 and 8 MHz
Z-80's. We used to do programming in the field with a Z-80 manual, pad
of paper and pen and an eeprom burner with hex keypad.

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If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive.
You'd have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity.
That's a lot more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to
get to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having
a PAL 286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became
very frugal with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy
disk so the hard drive had room for programs. Its a habit I
still have, even though my newest computer has a 320Gb drive plus
an additional backup drive. I keep it squeaky clean of misc.
stuff that I really don't need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running out
of space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my
hands on an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive,
but I think it was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?


Compupro '286, so it was running an Intel 80286. Hell this was more
than 20 years ago, fella, when you were still puking beer into your
jockey shorts after standing guard outside the portipotty at the
marine barracks.

Ever see a Compupro? Big, heavy box.

What OS did you run on this Compupro '286?


DR's CP/M-86, licensed to Compupro.

But...there was a bootleg MS OS around, too. It sorta ran an early
version of Flight Simulator. You could boot the MS OS from a floppy.

I don't remember a whole lot more. It wasn't "my" Compupro, it was an
editorial review model that I had for about six months. It was a beast.




I remember a version of Flight Simulator than ran from a floppy on the
pre-286 machines (forget the nomenclature). The "airplane" was nothing
more than a cross and there really wasn't any terrain to speak of.

BTW, the Laser Pal 286 computers I had (the first computers I had in the
company) ran on DOS 4.1 and were loaded with the GeoWorks Ensemble and
Prodigy using a 2400-baud modem.
The GeoWorks Ensemble was a Windows-like program that included a
wordprocesser, a spreadsheet and something else that I can't remember.

Processor speed was either 8 or 12 MHz (no typo), depending on the
position of a "turbo" button.
It seems that 12 MHz was too fast for some of the software of the day.
It had 640k (that's "k") of memory with an additional 384K of
"extended" memory.

Drives: 5 1/4-inch 1.2MB floppy, 3 1/2-inch 1.44MB floppy, 42MB hard

With monitor, it was just under $2000.

Eisboch


I remember Geoworks...at least the name. Not much else.

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I remember Geoworks...at least the name. Not much else.



Geoworks came out around the same time as Windows 3.0 and was a similar GUI
interface.

I think the original Apple computers had the first mouse driven "click" to
navigate type GUI OS and Geoworks was an attempt at a PC version

Last I knew, Geoworks was still around but not doing this type of program
software development.

Eisboch

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If I am not mistaken, my iPod has a 50 or 50 gig hard drive. You'd
have to buy 30 2 gig $10 SD cards to match the capacity. That's a
lot more than I paid for my iPod.

Plus, SD cars are small. If you are always swapping them out to get
to the music on another card, well...


You know, I think I am still hung up from the old days of having a
PAL 286 computer with a whopping 40Mb hard drive. I became very
frugal with disk space, saving all my documents on floppy disk so the
hard drive had room for programs. Its a habit I still have, even
though my newest computer has a 320Gb drive plus an additional backup
drive. I keep it squeaky clean of misc. stuff that I really don't
need.

I guess I can store some stuff without worrying about running out of
space.

Eisboch

My first PC had only a floppy drive. It wasn't until I got my hands on
an S-100 bus computer that I encountered a hard drive, but I think it
was only 20megs...


Yeah right? What processor was your S-100 bus computer running?


Compupro '286, so it was running an Intel 80286. Hell this was more than
20 years ago, fella, when you were still puking beer into your jockey
shorts after standing guard outside the portipotty at the marine
barracks.

Ever see a Compupro? Big, heavy box.

What OS did you run on this Compupro '286?


DR's CP/M-86, licensed to Compupro.

But...there was a bootleg MS OS around, too. It sorta ran an early version
of Flight Simulator. You could boot the MS OS from a floppy.

I don't remember a whole lot more. It wasn't "my" Compupro, it was an
editorial review model that I had for about six months. It was a beast.




I remember a version of Flight Simulator than ran from a floppy on the
pre-286 machines (forget the nomenclature). The "airplane" was nothing
more than a cross and there really wasn't any terrain to speak of.

BTW, the Laser Pal 286 computers I had (the first computers I had in the
company) ran on DOS 4.1 and were loaded with the GeoWorks Ensemble and
Prodigy using a 2400-baud modem.
The GeoWorks Ensemble was a Windows-like program that included a
wordprocesser, a spreadsheet and something else that I can't remember.

Processor speed was either 8 or 12 MHz (no typo), depending on the position
of a "turbo" button.
It seems that 12 MHz was too fast for some of the software of the day. It
had 640k (that's "k") of memory with an additional 384K of "extended"
memory.

Drives: 5 1/4-inch 1.2MB floppy, 3 1/2-inch 1.44MB floppy, 42MB hard

With monitor, it was just under $2000.

Eisboch
My first machine was a "day one ship" IBM PC 5150 PC1
It started with 64K ram and two 128k diskette drives.
Eventually that machine had a 256k system board in it and 384k in a
"six pack" card. I put a huge 30m Seagate ST238 in it and wondered how
I would ever use that much disk space. That was before "Microsoft" had
crossed my door step. I ran IBM PCDOS 1.0 then 2.1 for hard drive
support. That was when I got hooked on dBase.
I wrote an inventory and order system in dBase for my wife's store and
we sold the machine with the store.
I had another PX/XT and then migrated to a series of P/2s ... all
built from parts, in wood cases. That way I could hide them in the
living room ;-)
I am still running 3 woodies. Two are MP3 servers and one is the 3400
Sempron W/98 machine I just pushed back from, for this XP Pro machine.
If my "experience" doesn't improve soon I am bringing back the W/98
machine.

Harry wins. He had the oldest computer that would do the least with the
least.

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Eisboch wrote:

"hk" wrote in message
m...


I remember Geoworks...at least the name. Not much else.



Geoworks came out around the same time as Windows 3.0 and was a similar
GUI interface.

I think the original Apple computers had the first mouse driven "click"
to navigate type GUI OS and Geoworks was an attempt at a PC version

Last I knew, Geoworks was still around but not doing this type of
program software development.

Eisboch



When I was about to buy my first pc, IBM and Apple had just come out
with competing models...the Apple Macintosh I think it was called.
Anyway, I looked at both, and decided against the Apple because the
company was charging extra for add-on numeric keyboard and the numerics
were part of the standard IBM keyboard.

My first pc came with WordStar. I hated it. Fortunately, a few days
later, I stopped by the computer store to whine, and the sales guy gave
me something called Volkswriter. It was *the* word processor for
computer newbies like me. Great little word processor. Had a
clackety-clack daisywheel printer and a real slow Hayes modem.

Now, as my crepitude approaches, I have pulled my PC desktop out of
service to set it up as a server and for the moment I am using my Apple
Mac as both a Mac and a PC. I need the PC mode because for a couple of
the software packages I use, there are no Mac counterparts. One of these
happens to be the software for my Garmin chart plotter. Most of the
software suites, though, work about the same on Macs and PCs. Some of
the Mac software is a bit more ergonomic than the PC software.

As soon as I get around to it, I'll be setting up an Apple desktop machine.