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Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
"hk" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message ... I do not have the answer, but it appears our elected leaders do not either. They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything against the wall and see if anything sticks. Eisboch The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his team what is the basis for his plan. Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement to the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to save the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't the words of a true Leader. Eisboch Obama is correct. No, I don't think he's correct at all. We are in for some tough times over the next 2-3 years, but we will recover nicely. As bad as it is, it has been worse before. Don't your remember the late Carter years, 20% interest rates, inflation and 11 percent unemployment? We are being saturated with information overload from the media, cable, Internet, blogs, editorials, print and electronic, etc., all trying to get audience and notice by focusing on the *bad* news. Technology has overwhelmed rational thinking. Once people become jaded and tired of listening to how the world's going to end tomorrow, the recovery will begin. Personally, I think it's just about time to think about buying some real estate. But, the guy that was so full of "hope" a few months ago certainly has changed his tune and, I'll tell you, he's not getting high grades for leadership. Unlike great leaders in times of trouble like Roosevelt and Churchill who met privately with their advisors, generated a plan and then optimistically announced it with conviction and strength, Obama is running around publically soliciting any and all ideas and basically scaring the hell out of the people who elected him because of his perceived "leadership" capabilities. This is serious business and it's not time for community organizing. It's time for strong leadership. Eisboch |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
BAR wrote:
hk wrote: BAR wrote: hk wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message ... I do not have the answer, but it appears our elected leaders do not either. They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything against the wall and see if anything sticks. Eisboch The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his team what is the basis for his plan. Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement to the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to save the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't the words of a true Leader. Eisboch Obama is correct. Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business. Prove it. The GAO. If you want spur economic growth you need to cut taxes and encourage business to hire and spend without the threat of increased taxes. The people need to know that they will be able to spend their own money the way they want to spend it rather than having it confiscated and given, "redistributed", to those who won't get off their lazy asses and work for themselves. Obama with his misguided idea that he is going to "save" jobs and create jobs by government spending is comical. FDR tried it before and it failed miserable. Private industry creates jobs and the most jobs are created by small businesses. Reducing regulation and taxes will ensure the greatest growth of jobs. And the repeal of that ridiculous Sarbanes Oxley legislation is the first thing that needs to happen. Right now everyone has their hand out waiting for big daddy government to give them something. Doesn't anyone have any self respect and pride anymore. Yeah, I know the pablum. No proof? And you want more deregulation? |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
On Jan 10, 5:29*pm, hk wrote:
BAR wrote: hk wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message news:46mdnS5M9vwjmPTUnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@earthlink .com... "Eisboch" wrote in message news:ot6dnalq1NX7wfXUnZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@giganews .com... "CalifBill" wrote in message ... *I do not have the answer, but it appears our elected leaders do not either. They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. *What is being done, in the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything against the wall and see if anything sticks. Eisboch The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before turning around. *And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his team what is the basis for his plan. Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring the bejeezes out of people. * He recently made a statement to the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to save the US. * Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't the words of a true Leader. Eisboch Obama is correct. Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business. Prove it.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The proof will be four years from now when he and all of his crim buddies get run out of town on a rail... He is no leader, every time he talks, the stock market goes down... |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote: hk wrote: BAR wrote: hk wrote: Eisboch wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message ... I do not have the answer, but it appears our elected leaders do not either. They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything against the wall and see if anything sticks. Eisboch The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his team what is the basis for his plan. Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement to the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to save the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't the words of a true Leader. Eisboch Obama is correct. Obama is wrong. We don't need more government intervention in business. Prove it. The GAO. If you want spur economic growth you need to cut taxes and encourage business to hire and spend without the threat of increased taxes. The people need to know that they will be able to spend their own money the way they want to spend it rather than having it confiscated and given, "redistributed", to those who won't get off their lazy asses and work for themselves. Obama with his misguided idea that he is going to "save" jobs and create jobs by government spending is comical. FDR tried it before and it failed miserable. Private industry creates jobs and the most jobs are created by small businesses. Reducing regulation and taxes will ensure the greatest growth of jobs. And the repeal of that ridiculous Sarbanes Oxley legislation is the first thing that needs to happen. Right now everyone has their hand out waiting for big daddy government to give them something. Doesn't anyone have any self respect and pride anymore. Yeah, I know the pablum. No proof? And you want more deregulation? Today's small business has to spend too much time and money meeting government regulations at the local, state and federal level that doen't have time to actually run their business. |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:03:33 -0500, BAR wrote:
I am willing to wait it out. We don't need to go deeper into debt. It is going to be a little bit painful for some but, that's life. Now, you're concerned about debt? Where was all that fiscal conservatism when the last 3 Republican administrations were piling on the debt? http://zfacts.com/p/318.html |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:47:12 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: No, I don't think he's correct at all. We are in for some tough times over the next 2-3 years, but we will recover nicely. As bad as it is, it has been worse before. Don't your remember the late Carter years, 20% interest rates, inflation and 11 percent unemployment? I was ok then. 8% mortgage. What I remember most is getting laid off my first IT job in 1982. Along with plenty of others. Ronald Reagan. The highest unemployment rate since the great depression. That's what I remember. You know what say about when your neighbor gets laid off.... --Vic |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:38:14 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: "Vic Smith" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:47:12 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: No, I don't think he's correct at all. We are in for some tough times over the next 2-3 years, but we will recover nicely. As bad as it is, it has been worse before. Don't your remember the late Carter years, 20% interest rates, inflation and 11 percent unemployment? I was ok then. 8% mortgage. What I remember most is getting laid off my first IT job in 1982. Along with plenty of others. Ronald Reagan. The highest unemployment rate since the great depression. That's what I remember. You know what say about when your neighbor gets laid off.... --Vic Why is it that everyone remembers who was the president during a recession but forget how we got there? Because until you get hurt, it doesn't matter. Like I said about if a neighbor loses his job, it's a recession, if you lose yours it's a depression. Same reason you always find something you lost in the last place you looked for it. Huh? I take that back Simply, it's Captain of the Ship. He should always take the heat. Do you remember how it came to be that interest rates got so high under Carter? Do you care? Same with the Iran hostages. Carter's job to prevent it of fix it. He didn't. That's why I voted for Reagan - once. Reagan got no better consideration than I gave Carter. He presided over the highest unemployment rate since the great depression. I don't care how we got there. What I remember is struggling to keep my kids warm while he and Nancy danced in grand DC ballrooms. And I'll never forget GWB biting his lips while a chunk of Manhattan came down in flames. That shouldn't have happened. That's how it works with me. Besides, blaming others than those in charge is a feel good cop out and usually just political bull****. I didn't cut that Pueblo skipper any slack either for allowing the capture of his ship. When BO is inaugurated, he has the helm. I won't cut him any slack either. But, I admit, he won't care. Carter and Reagan didn't listen to me either. --Vic That's all fine and good and certainly simplifies things. But it doesn't help when trying to learn from history and past mistakes when trying to avoid the same. I really don't think the analogy of a ship's captain's actions and responsibility in a single incident (as romantic and traditional as it is) compares with long term policies of a POTUS, the influence of which extend well beyond their time in office. Nobody "finishes" the job. Reagan inherited high inflation, a **** poor economy and a recession. Say what you will, but he led us out of it through some smart maneuvering and enabling of business. The old "he spent us into debt" seems moot now-a-days. The only thing I remember about Carter, nice guy that he is and all, was that he also inherited a ****-poor economy from Ford. It turns out his policies to invigorate the economy led to even higher inflation and interest rates which eventually led to the "Reagan" Recession. I remember it well because I left the Navy in 1977 and got a rude awakening over the following few years about the cost of living and the "security" of civilian jobs. Eisboch |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
wrote in message t... On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:03:33 -0500, BAR wrote: I am willing to wait it out. We don't need to go deeper into debt. It is going to be a little bit painful for some but, that's life. Now, you're concerned about debt? Where was all that fiscal conservatism when the last 3 Republican administrations were piling on the debt? http://zfacts.com/p/318.html The last 8 year Democrat administration piled on spending also. Only difference is there was the Dot.com boom, that allowed the administration to overspend without excess borrowing. Same reason a Democrat controlled Calif is in deep financial poop. During the Dot.com boom, they expanded spending, permanent spending programs, with not permanent money. |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message m... Eisboch wrote: "Calif Bill" wrote in message m... "Eisboch" wrote in message ... "CalifBill" wrote in message ... I do not have the answer, but it appears our elected leaders do not either. They don't, economists don't, nobody knows. What is being done, in the words of Andrea Mitchell, is throwing anything and everything against the wall and see if anything sticks. Eisboch The scary part is I think the recession will get much worse before turning around. And not one of the elected are asking Obama and his team what is the basis for his plan. Some of Obama's comments lately are not exactly reassuring to the public. He's trying to put pressure on Congress to make sure they will approve his massive stimulus spending, but he's doing it by scaring the bejeezes out of people. He recently made a statement to the affect that if his plan is not approved, it may be too late to save the US. Not sure what he means by that, but they sure aren't the words of a true Leader. Eisboch Obama is correct. No, I don't think he's correct at all. We are in for some tough times over the next 2-3 years, but we will recover nicely. As bad as it is, it has been worse before. Don't your remember the late Carter years, 20% interest rates, inflation and 11 percent unemployment? We are being saturated with information overload from the media, cable, Internet, blogs, editorials, print and electronic, etc., all trying to get audience and notice by focusing on the *bad* news. Technology has overwhelmed rational thinking. Once people become jaded and tired of listening to how the world's going to end tomorrow, the recovery will begin. Personally, I think it's just about time to think about buying some real estate. But, the guy that was so full of "hope" a few months ago certainly has changed his tune and, I'll tell you, he's not getting high grades for leadership. Unlike great leaders in times of trouble like Roosevelt and Churchill who met privately with their advisors, generated a plan and then optimistically announced it with conviction and strength, Obama is running around publically soliciting any and all ideas and basically scaring the hell out of the people who elected him because of his perceived "leadership" capabilities. This is serious business and it's not time for community organizing. It's time for strong leadership. Eisboch Community organizing is leadership. |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
"hk" wrote in message m... Community organizing is leadership. Sorry Harry. Community organizing is management. Leadership is very different. Eisboch |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
On Jan 10, 8:59*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
wrote in message t... On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:03:33 -0500, BAR wrote: I am willing to wait it out. We don't need to go deeper into debt. It is going to be a little bit painful for some but, that's life. Now, you're concerned about debt? *Where was all that fiscal conservatism when the last 3 Republican administrations were piling on the debt? http://zfacts.com/p/318.html The last 8 year Democrat administration piled on spending also. *Only difference is there was the Dot.com boom, that allowed the administration to overspend without excess borrowing. *Same reason a Democrat controlled Calif is in deep financial poop. *During the Dot.com boom, they expanded spending, permanent spending programs, with not permanent money. The Y2K hoax added a lot to the dot com boom too.. Everyone bought new computers.. At the same time, the next three years were bust, well, because everyone already had new computers... |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
On Jan 10, 9:40*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"hk" wrote in message m... Community organizing is leadership. Sorry Harry. *Community organizing is management. Leadership is very different. Eisboch Besides, training folks to commit voter fraud, which is all ACORN does, is not leadership, it's criminal... So by Harrys standards, Joe Kennedy and Al Capone were leaders too. Obama is surrounded by crims and thugs, his "leadership" abilities were made up by the media through hype and it will come crashing down as it already is.. Caroline Kennedy has as much leadership experience as Obama, they have both written books.... |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:18:26 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote: That's all fine and good and certainly simplifies things. But it doesn't help when trying to learn from history and past mistakes when trying to avoid the same. I really don't think the analogy of a ship's captain's actions and responsibility in a single incident (as romantic and traditional as it is) compares with long term policies of a POTUS, the influence of which extend well beyond their time in office. Nobody "finishes" the job. Agreed, but they at least set a course. The reason I keep it simple is that's what works for me. Sometimes you have to look through the complexities at the simple values that have held true - mostly - for ages. That's really a form of conservatism. Values like thrift, do unto others, hard work, etc, etc. You've heard them. A few things about past history. 1. No matter how many times you say "those who fail to heed history are doomed to repeat it," people fail to heed it. 2. A lot of these macro-economic issues aren't hardly related to past history. The creation of history in this regard is happening all the time. Global economy and banking, capital going to global labor markets, the suppression of national interests by globalists, etc. This is an ever-changing sea. The so called economic "experts" got us where we are, and they're still living in the recent past, as I've suggested before regarding thinking we can long exist as independent men without producing the goods we consume. There's a guy, Bernake(sp?) I think, who is an "expert" on the Great Depression, and that is said to make him a good candidate for some post or another. News Flash! THIS IS NOT 1933. 3. Reagan, the Bushes, and Clinton had little to do with any economic success during their terms. They just try to take credit when the dice don't come up craps. Despite his so-called "good" economy, what happened during the Clinton admin has also led us here. Reagan inherited high inflation, a **** poor economy and a recession. Say what you will, but he led us out of it through some smart maneuvering and enabling of business. The old "he spent us into debt" seems moot now-a-days. The only thing I remember about Carter, nice guy that he is and all, was that he also inherited a ****-poor economy from Ford. It turns out his policies to invigorate the economy led to even higher inflation and interest rates which eventually led to the "Reagan" Recession. I remember it well because I left the Navy in 1977 and got a rude awakening over the following few years about the cost of living and the "security" of civilian jobs. As I said, for a portion of Reagan's admin we had the highest employment since the great depression. And I recall a pretty good downturn during Bush I, so I guess he inherited that from Reagan. I don't buy that kind of thinking, because, as I said, it just gets into political mud-slinging. I'll just go with making the current skipper responsible for the ship of state, and let the "historians" sort out the past. We all remember what had an impact on us personally. Besides being in Reagan's terrible job market, during that time I went back 14 years in wages to keep my family fed. Got a job running packaging machines. A QC guy there I lunched with was about to lose his house if Reagan wouldn't "pardon" the PATCO strikers so he could go back to work as an AT controller at O'Hare. He had at least 10 years doing that. His career. I was already back in IT when I read the old glad-handing-with-the rich-and-famous fart Ronnie decided to be a petty **** and bar the strikers for life. That's another memory of Ronnie I have. Kick a guy when he's down. Sorry, I'm not one to admire most politicians, especially Reagan. Never bought the "Star Wars Killed the Soviets" either. VCR, the Polish Pope, other communications advances bringing in Western culture and lifestyle, and the natural life span of the unworkable commie system did that. When Ford made the mistake of saying east Europe wasn't dominated by the Soviets during a debate with Carter, he wasn't far off in one sense. Since my wife's family was in Poland I already knew the Poles and others were not "dominated" in their minds. As recently as '75 a poly-sci professor of mine harped on the too-true fact that the Soviets had NEVER changed internal policy due to outside pressures. A couple years later Carter pressured them into letting Jews emigrate, and when I saw that happen, it sent a shock through me. The Soviets were finally coming undone. Afghanistan helped them along too. Reagan was a spectator. Of course, since I like to keep it simple, I may be entirely wrong about all this. We all have our own lenses. --Vic |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
On Jan 10, 10:02*pm, BAR wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:03:33 -0500, BAR wrote: I am willing to wait it out. We don't need to go deeper into debt. It is going to be a little bit painful for some but, that's life. Now, you're concerned about debt? *Where was all that fiscal conservatism when the last 3 Republican administrations were piling on the debt? http://zfacts.com/p/318.html Entitlements should be done away with, all of them. That will reduce the * federal debt and deficit. I think earmarks should be done with.. I remember the Pelosi team being voted in promosing to identify earmarks and their authors, only to immediately pass laws protecting their identities as soon as they took power... This will never be fixed until we vote out the most corrupt congress in history... |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:47:12 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: No, I don't think he's correct at all. We are in for some tough times over the next 2-3 years, but we will recover nicely. As bad as it is, it has been worse before. Don't your remember the late Carter years, 20% interest rates, inflation and 11 percent unemployment? I was ok then. 8% mortgage. What I remember most is getting laid off my first IT job in 1982. Along with plenty of others. Ronald Reagan. The highest unemployment rate since the great depression. That's what I remember. You know what say about when your neighbor gets laid off.... During the Carter years (in 78, 79 and 80) the Ag credit union was paying 12% on 6 month CDs. I was working for the government in 1980 while Carter was President and I voted for Reagan. I knew Reagan was going to clean up the Federal government but, it was better for the country to get a handle on the government spending than to protect your own job. Besides, IT was ascending and private industry jobs were paying 30 to 40 percent better than government jobs. |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:21:28 -0500, BAR wrote:
Vic Smith wrote: On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:47:12 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote: No, I don't think he's correct at all. We are in for some tough times over the next 2-3 years, but we will recover nicely. As bad as it is, it has been worse before. Don't your remember the late Carter years, 20% interest rates, inflation and 11 percent unemployment? I was ok then. 8% mortgage. What I remember most is getting laid off my first IT job in 1982. Along with plenty of others. Ronald Reagan. The highest unemployment rate since the great depression. That's what I remember. You know what say about when your neighbor gets laid off.... During the Carter years (in 78, 79 and 80) the Ag credit union was paying 12% on 6 month CDs. I was working for the government in 1980 while Carter was President and I voted for Reagan. I knew Reagan was going to clean up the Federal government but, it was better for the country to get a handle on the government spending than to protect your own job. Besides, IT was ascending and private industry jobs were paying 30 to 40 percent better than government jobs. Reagan increased the federal payroll. I voted for him because I figured he would nuke the Iranians. That's apparently what the Iranians thought too, so it worked out well. --Vic |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
Eisboch wrote:
"hk" wrote in message m... Community organizing is leadership. Sorry Harry. Community organizing is management. Leadership is very different. Eisboch You think you can organize without strong leadership? No way, Jose. |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
On Jan 10, 11:07*pm, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message om... Community organizing is leadership. Sorry Harry. *Community organizing is management. Leadership is very different. Eisboch You think you can organize without strong leadership? No way, Jose. He didn't organize anything, he worked from a prepared script and taught folks how to commit voter fraud.. He was a well rehearsed salesman/pitchman who read the manual to others. **** I did that at age 18 as an inside sales trainer for a sales company... Like I said, he didn't run anything, he didn't organize anything, you all got to get away from that "community organizer" hoax. He was, and still is, just a glorified door to door salesman... |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
wrote in message ... On Jan 10, 8:59 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote: wrote in message t... On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:03:33 -0500, BAR wrote: I am willing to wait it out. We don't need to go deeper into debt. It is going to be a little bit painful for some but, that's life. Now, you're concerned about debt? Where was all that fiscal conservatism when the last 3 Republican administrations were piling on the debt? http://zfacts.com/p/318.html The last 8 year Democrat administration piled on spending also. Only difference is there was the Dot.com boom, that allowed the administration to overspend without excess borrowing. Same reason a Democrat controlled Calif is in deep financial poop. During the Dot.com boom, they expanded spending, permanent spending programs, with not permanent money. The Y2K hoax added a lot to the dot com boom too.. Everyone bought new computers.. At the same time, the next three years were bust, well, because everyone already had new computers... The new computers and the y2k were minor factors. Was easy money and greed just like the subprime housing boom. lots of people believing the Wall Street analyists that these companies with just a website would keep increasing in value. Buy now, sell the stock in 3 months for 1000%+ gain. Plus all the easy money Greenspan freed up. |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:07:43 -0500, hk wrote:
Eisboch wrote: "hk" wrote in message m... Community organizing is leadership. Sorry Harry. Community organizing is management. Leadership is very different. Eisboch You think you can organize without strong leadership? No way, Jose. Give me $100 and I'll go organize twenty homeless folks to line up and press any button I tell them. That's 'buying', not 'leading'. |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Unions are not about choice, be it a new worker being bullied or a government. Take the Canadian NDP party, a union party. They offered $1 billion of tax payers money to the Bloc (Quebec party) if they got their votes for a year or two to form a coalition coup d'etat. And as I and other suspect, because they wanted tax payers cash for GM/Chrylser. Saved by a quirk in the parlimentry system, but still possible. Now that is meddling in Canadian politics. The NDP Layton should be arrested for bribery of a MP representative. Guess I missed that news release. Got any links? Sure do. When reading, remember the NDP party is a unionist party, the ring leader. Nice time for GM/Chryslers need for cash, and Buzz Hargrove was very active in pushing the NDP on this very issue. Coalition of the opposition: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/...ion-talks.html Fortunately Dion/Laytoon were not smart enough to get the Govenor General on board and Harper used a method of quiet period to stave off this event. Polls at the time indicated Canadians were about 69% opposed to the coalition and supported the reigning government, which is an unheard of support level in Canada. Poll results media. http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad...25056-sun.html When it coup d'etat failed, Dion Liberal stepped down at his parties request. Artical on one of the protests: (It was a very cold day, you know they were convicted to show) http://westernstandard.blogs.com/sho...ally-in-c.html But the bribe is he http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/262957 So the unions push Layton/NDP to get a coalition. NDP bribe the Bloc for votes, then Layton and Dion argue about who is PM. Union/GM say money -- Dion tries the coup d'etat. Up to that time the Prime Minister was not pandering to GM & Chrysler on partizan bailout support. In fact this war of politics and corruption is still going on. Real simple. Greedy corrupt pigs at the trough. |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:41:50 -0700, "Canuck57" wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message .. . "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Unions are not about choice, be it a new worker being bullied or a government. Take the Canadian NDP party, a union party. They offered $1 billion of tax payers money to the Bloc (Quebec party) if they got their votes for a year or two to form a coalition coup d'etat. And as I and other suspect, because they wanted tax payers cash for GM/Chrylser. Saved by a quirk in the parlimentry system, but still possible. Now that is meddling in Canadian politics. The NDP Layton should be arrested for bribery of a MP representative. Guess I missed that news release. Got any links? Sure do. When reading, remember the NDP party is a unionist party, the ring leader. Nice time for GM/Chryslers need for cash, and Buzz Hargrove was very active in pushing the NDP on this very issue. Coalition of the opposition: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/...ion-talks.html Fortunately Dion/Laytoon were not smart enough to get the Govenor General on board and Harper used a method of quiet period to stave off this event. Polls at the time indicated Canadians were about 69% opposed to the coalition and supported the reigning government, which is an unheard of support level in Canada. Poll results media. http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad...25056-sun.html When it coup d'etat failed, Dion Liberal stepped down at his parties request. Artical on one of the protests: (It was a very cold day, you know they were convicted to show) http://westernstandard.blogs.com/sho...ally-in-c.html But the bribe is he http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/262957 So the unions push Layton/NDP to get a coalition. NDP bribe the Bloc for votes, then Layton and Dion argue about who is PM. Union/GM say money -- Dion tries the coup d'etat. Up to that time the Prime Minister was not pandering to GM & Chrysler on partizan bailout support. In fact this war of politics and corruption is still going on. Real simple. Greedy corrupt pigs at the trough. Sorry you went to all that trouble. I already gave him all the links he needed. You did lay it out nicely however. Even a dolt could understand. |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
"Canuck57" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Unions are not about choice, be it a new worker being bullied or a government. Take the Canadian NDP party, a union party. They offered $1 billion of tax payers money to the Bloc (Quebec party) if they got their votes for a year or two to form a coalition coup d'etat. And as I and other suspect, because they wanted tax payers cash for GM/Chrylser. Saved by a quirk in the parlimentry system, but still possible. Now that is meddling in Canadian politics. The NDP Layton should be arrested for bribery of a MP representative. Guess I missed that news release. Got any links? snip.. But the bribe is he http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/262957 snip... What ever happens, Quebec always gets more that it's fair share. Seems to be a lot of speculating there...a lot of 'ifs' & 'maybes' by a 'provincial party official. |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
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Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
Don White wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message m... "hk" wrote in message m... U.S. Economy: Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945 By Shobhana Chandra Jan. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. lost more jobs in 2008 than in any year since 1945 as employers fired another 524,000 people in December, indicating a free-fall in the economy just days before President-elect Barack Obama takes office. "Consumers are now going to get more and more scared at the prospect of losing their job," said Nariman Behravesh, chief economist at IHS Global Insight in Lexington, Massachusetts. Obama's proposed fiscal stimulus "needs to be big, needs to be bold, needs to be swift. If they can do something quickly we can limit the hemorrhage by mid-year." The Labor Department reported that the nation lost 2.589 million jobs in 2008, just shy of the 2.75 million decline at the end of World War II. The unemployment rate climbed more than economists forecast, to 7.2 percent in December, the highest level in almost 16 years. Today's figures will intensify pressure on U.S. lawmakers to act quickly on Obama's recovery program, which may exceed $775 billion and aims to save or create 3 million jobs. They also underscore the urgency of the Federal Reserve's $200 billion initiative to restart consumer financing markets that's scheduled to begin next month. - - - Thank you for your leadership on these economic issues, President Bush. Now if we could get the Feds from stop over spending and there would be money for the economy to grow on, we could get out of this mess. Mess?? You Californians better start paying your taxes before Arnold sells off the lot of you. That was just stupid. |
Payrolls Post Biggest Annual Decline Since 1945
"John H" wrote in message ... On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:41:50 -0700, "Canuck57" wrote: "Don White" wrote in message . .. "Canuck57" wrote in message ... Unions are not about choice, be it a new worker being bullied or a government. Take the Canadian NDP party, a union party. They offered $1 billion of tax payers money to the Bloc (Quebec party) if they got their votes for a year or two to form a coalition coup d'etat. And as I and other suspect, because they wanted tax payers cash for GM/Chrylser. Saved by a quirk in the parlimentry system, but still possible. Now that is meddling in Canadian politics. The NDP Layton should be arrested for bribery of a MP representative. Guess I missed that news release. Got any links? Sure do. When reading, remember the NDP party is a unionist party, the ring leader. Nice time for GM/Chryslers need for cash, and Buzz Hargrove was very active in pushing the NDP on this very issue. Coalition of the opposition: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/...ion-talks.html Fortunately Dion/Laytoon were not smart enough to get the Govenor General on board and Harper used a method of quiet period to stave off this event. Polls at the time indicated Canadians were about 69% opposed to the coalition and supported the reigning government, which is an unheard of support level in Canada. Poll results media. http://www.torontosun.com/news/canad...25056-sun.html When it coup d'etat failed, Dion Liberal stepped down at his parties request. Artical on one of the protests: (It was a very cold day, you know they were convicted to show) http://westernstandard.blogs.com/sho...ally-in-c.html But the bribe is he http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/262957 So the unions push Layton/NDP to get a coalition. NDP bribe the Bloc for votes, then Layton and Dion argue about who is PM. Union/GM say money -- Dion tries the coup d'etat. Up to that time the Prime Minister was not pandering to GM & Chrysler on partizan bailout support. In fact this war of politics and corruption is still going on. Real simple. Greedy corrupt pigs at the trough. Sorry you went to all that trouble. I already gave him all the links he needed. You did lay it out nicely however. Even a dolt could understand. LOL. But I wish our media would pick up more on this instead of the insatiable appeasement rant. In Canada all the major media people are unionized and to some degree dependant on government $$ so we never get it straight. |
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